The Eric Metaxas Show - Bob Woodson (Encore)

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

Bob Woodson of 1776unites.com provides his take on what the Biden administration is cooking up so far, especially in the area defunding the police, so-called systemic racism, and reparations. (Encore Presentation)

Folks, this is hour two. Remember hour one that's dead and buried. We're now in hour two. Coming up, my semi-maniac friend Bruce Fogarty, who's also in Dallas. All the crazy Christians are in Dallas. Bruce, we're talking about your amazing idea, the Easter cross witness. For people just tuning into this hour, I'll just explain it briefly. On Palm Sunday, you put out a white cross on your lawn.

If you're watching by video, Bruce is holding up the cross. You just put out a simple, it's like Normandy. It's a simple, beautiful white cross. You put it on your lawn. And on Easter day, a week later, you flip it around. Shazam, he is risen. Also, look here, you see underneath that? And it is finished.

Yes, he is risen, and it is finished. It's powerful stuff. You also have them in Spanish. Yes. You have them for Greek people. It says Christos Anesti. and the website in case people want. I just want to get this out up front so we could talk Eastercross.org.

Eastercross.org. It is an amazing idea. You were talking about in hour one about how a woman dragged her kid over so that you could explain what a cross is. They'd seen it on the lawn day after day, and the kid needed somebody to explain to him what a cross is. I mean, this opens up real conversations. Yeah, yeah, but not what the cross.

And the woman said, what's this all about? You know, I see. And there were crosses all over the neighborhood. My son's been driving nuts. And at that point, my friend said, I had a decision to make. Was I just going to fluff it and say, you know, because this was a Jewish family, but I think, as I recall, do I just fluff this and say, you know, we Christians have their crosses and other religions have other symbols.

And we have the Easter, the cross is in a global battle with the Easter bunny, by the way. Yeah, yeah. You know, and she finally just thought, now, I'm going to share the gospel with this woman and her son. And he said, the purpose of this, you know, he has risen. Jesus has risen through the dead. And because of that fact, having lived a perfect life,

he has earned the right to forgive you an eye. and this is something we celebrate because no one else has this. No one else has a savior who entered time and space. You came, lived the sinsless life and roach of the dead. And I've had so many stories, Eric, about the cross. I get pictures of the cross going through hurricanes. Everything's down. I mean, we're talking flattened in the cross.

This cross is the cross to him. I've got pictures of the cross coming through hailstones where half the cross, you know, is pelted with stones. Biers. I mean, it's, you know, and again, it's not my idea. If this is my idea, forget it, folks. It's Jesus' idea. It's the most important event in history. It's not the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And since that is true, it changes everything. Isn't that the thing is that, you know, when we're so sensitive in America, you say, oh, it's a Jewish person. And you think, excuse me, Jesus, died for every Jew. Now, if they don't know it, guess what? Maybe it's our job to tell them Jesus was a Jew. His mother was Italian. Just kidding. His mother was a Jew. I mean, this is the most Jewish thing imaginable. And some of the most profound believers in Jesus are ethnically Jewish. They're friends of mine, and they get it better than the Gentile. And this is true. This is for

everybody when you act like well this is our thing it is definitely not our thing it is every person and god has given us the ability to share this thing with everybody and if you're shy and so bruce you always say that what's central to this is is prayer um you you know we're kind of talking here and joking and it's exciting but you're telling me that putting this white cross out on a lawn and flipping it around on Easter morning that this has changed lives. I mean, it's a simple, subtle thing. This is why I get so excited because it's so easy to do. It's so basic, but many people don't know about this.

So I said, I want to have you on, and I want to exhort my listeners. Go to Eastercross.org. There's still time, but you've got to hurry up, Eastercross.org. But this is, I literally can't think of anything like this. I just love it. Well, and you got a prayer sheet with each cross and why, and there's three prayer requests. The first prayer is we put the cross up of our lawn, remind ourselves. We all need remind it ourselves.

This is real. Jesus rose for that. Pray that this will have an effect in your neighborhood. The second prayer is, it's also the second prayer is, pray that the Holy Spirit will use the cross and bring, and draw people. That's what the Holy Spirit does and give opportunities for witness. And the third prayer, as we, is a little caveat you'll like, is we take the crosses down, may we have the grace to live like Jesus lives and maybe even be St. Francis and Cece, who said he had to preach the gospel at all times and all places and all ways,

even have met resorting to words. People need to see the song, Eric, before they hear the words. They don't want a bunch of uptight, you know, out-of-tight Christians, you know, giving them a pitch for the gospel. People need to see joy in our life. They need to see that, you know, we've got some tough things in this old world happening. And we've got some rough times ahead, but our peace is not based on the world. Our joy comes from something that's outside of this. and if we, if the Christian evangelicals in this country around the world had the joy and peace of the Lord, the fruit of the spirit, they'd be jumping into church.

They want some of that. I keep saying that. The funny thing is that the way many Christians behave, there are people looking at that and they're thinking, whatever it is you have, I don't want it because I don't want to be like that. If we really, really believe the central message of the cross that God sent his son to die for you and me, this is real and that he raised him from the dead. It was the greatest miracle in the history of the world. And it opens a door for all of us that we can accept Jesus.

Our sins can be forgiven. We can go to heaven forever. It's literally the greatest story ever told. It's the greatest news we could ever imagine. It's not just good news. it's amazing news. So the question is, do we really believe it and does it change our lives? And I, again, you know, when you say that when you send the crosses out, they get this prayer, the idea that it makes us think, do I really believe this? Am I living like this is true? Or did I forget?

Do I think of it as a metaphor or a nice idea like the lilies and the bunnies and the chocolate eggs? I hope not. It's the most profound thing in the history of the world. I need it more than, I need the Easter cross witness more than anything. I need to remind my It's a crazy world. We're busy running. I need to remind myself of the central fact. Jesus Christ has risen from the dead. So I hope folks out there hearing this, we're joining the Easter Cross Witness. We can, if you order online at Eastercross.org, we'll get the cross shipped out in one, two or three days, depending on how backlog we are. Plenty of time to get your cross. Listen, you, you're my friend, and I think this is just the greatest idea ever. I'm

hoping that people in my audience will do this. This, look, folks, Think how crazy it is. This could change lives. It's so subtle. It's so beautiful. It's a God idea. Eastercross.org. Go to Eastercross.org. And folks, we've got John Zmirak coming up. I want to remind you before we go that we're doing this beautiful thing with Food for the Poor. Please go to our website, Eric Mataxis.com and check out Food for the Poor, the banner. We do need your help. Bruce Fogarty, I'm just proud of you, my friend. This is a brilliant idea. Eastercross.org. Thank you for sharing this brilliant idea with the world and with my listeners. Thank you, Eric, and God bless you and your sweet wife. And he has risen.

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Learn more at squadpod.com. com slash Eric that squadpod.com slash Eric. Let me say it again. Squadpod.com slash Eric. Check it out. Hey folks, as promised, Bob Woodson. Bob, welcome back. Please to be back, Eric. You're one of these people. You just cheer me up. Just knowing you exist, you're in the world here. I want to tell people how to find you. They can go to Woodson Center. What's the website? Witson Center.org or 1776 Unites.com. Okay. I just want to mention that.

Witsoncenter.org or 1776 unites.com. Okay. All right, Bob, some people know you, some people don't. You've been involved in civil rights for many decades now. When did you get involved? Like what year, seriously, did you start working in this, caring about these things? I was about 24 years old. I took over a civil rights organization, Westchester, Pennsylvania.

It's about 30 miles west of Philadelphia, the home of Barrett Rustin. The home of Baird Rustin? Yes, Baird Rustin is from Westchester. There's a school name for him, and Barrett used to come through with Dr. King and others. and so I had unseated an older leader and took over the Westchester Human Relations Council, which was the leading civil rights organization at the time. Wow. So you met Baird Rustin and Dr. King? Yes. I met Dr. King once, but Baird Rustin many times when he came through.

What people don't realize that national civil rights leaders came through and brought the media attention to local issues, but what they were, they were supporting is our fight to desegregate the schools and then the housing. And so that would attack the press. And so that's how it worked. All right. So Bob, look, you've got a tremendous history. You seem too young to have been that old in 1964. But just the idea that you have seen how, whatever we want to call it, the civil rights movement, whatever it is, how it has changed over the years and how it had a Christian base, it had biblical values, deep respect for the family, for the father in black families.

And you have seen how all of that has changed very, very dramatically. Even Senator Moynihan, way back, Liberal Democratic Senator Moynihan wrote that paper on how it was the destruction of black families and the loss of black fathers, that that was killing the black community. And people even then were saying, shut up. We don't want to hear about this. That's divisive. I don't know what, what were they saying? This is a cultural difference that, you know, black families are supposed to be broken and we don't want to address that. I mean, it seems to me like soft racism. It is a soft bigotry of low expectation, but it's also undermining It's very interesting. Tom Saul points out in his work that the biggest reduction in poverty in the black community occurred between 1940 and 1960. It went from like 82% down to about 45% in 1950. And from 1950 to 1965, it went down to about 20%. Okay, excuse me. You're talking about the reduction of poverty in the black community. So in 1960, we were better than ever.

in terms of the poverty level being so low in the black communities in the United States. In 1960. 60, it was. And also, the black family was 85% of black households had, or 80% had a man and a woman raising children. So the black family, the marriage rate in the black community, at the end of slavery, our scholars looked at six major plantations, 75% of all black families, even in slavery, had a man and a woman raising children.

And then they rushed to marry legally right afterwards. And so this marriage is for a century, the black community throughout segregation and the end of slavery, maintained strong two-parent households. Even though in the 1930 to 1940, our marriage rate was higher than any other group in society. It was the foundation of faith,

self-determination, and the family that was the strongest antidote to slavery and discrimination and racism. But all of that changed in the 60s with the poverty programs. In other words, what racism and slavery and discrimination could not do for 100 years, government intervention in the poverty programs ended up destabilizing that community and as a consequence of the destabilization of the family, separating work from income in the 60s, making welfare more attractive than marriage.

You saw the deterioration of that community. And so the out-of-wedlock births began to soar to the point where now 70% of all children are born out of wedlock in those communities. So it was, and I documented, the deterioration, of this. It's unbelievable. Is there a good book that people can read

that gives them this history? Read anything the Thomas Saul wrote. Also, Fred Siegel's book, The Future Once Happened Here, is excellent, gives you an excellent description of how Cloward and Piven, two sociologists at the Columbia University School of Socialist,

They were socialist, and their goal was to destabilized, to promote income redistribution in America. And the way you do that is to flood the system using blacks to flood into the welfare system. So you had millions of blacks coming into the welfare system in the 70s at a time when the unemployment rate in New York for black men was under 4%. It's unbelievable. I guess, you know, we have to talk about BLM. BLM, I always say, BLM is a Marxist organization that is harming blacks in America. If you care about black people in America, you need to understand that BLM is harming them. But guilty white people who don't have the guts to look at the facts or the guts to speak the truth, they go right along. They're giving money to BLM. they're putting it on their social media,

and they're actually harming blacks, but they care less about actually helping blacks than they do about virtue signaling that they look like they're not racist. Absolutely. And the very fact that the most severe problem facing low-income blacks is crime. And so what Black Lives Matter

and the social justice warriors, they have this assault on defund the police. And as a consequence, it means that a police, in those communities has declined with the consequence that the murder rate is soaring in those communities. And yet, when you look at what are the remedies that are being proposed by this administration, they're talking and companies led by Black Lives Matters. They're talking about having numerical quotas for allowing more blacks on boards of directors or more blacks numerically in these companies.

What does that have to do or addressing systemic racism? What does that have to do with reducing violence in these communities? It's a kind of bait and switch game. When you use the demographics of those that are hurting most as the bait,

and when the remedies arrive, the switch occurs and the money goes to people who are not suffering the problem. And that's why this is such an outrage that we should be talking about. systemic racism. I don't even know what that is. Well, listen, you're a black man, and so you can say that, but you don't need to be black to see what's going on. I mean, as an American who does not

define myself or identify as a person of color, I still care about what happens in those communities, because those are my fellow Americans. And I am, and have been for a long time, really sick at but I see. And so I really treasure people like you who are willing to speak out on this because it is so hard to find good information on this. And the Democratic Party, I just feel like they've sold their souls. If you care about communities, urban communities, you've got to know that what we've been doing since Lyndon Johnson has actually hurt them. Why can't we simply admit that we've made some mistakes? If you actually care about people, isn't that the moral thing to do? but let me challenge you on something Eric I really believe that I hope that white people

get the courage to speak out against this outrage I don't agree with you that only blacks are eligible to speak out I just think white people have I hope that they have race fatigue you know no I'm agreeing with you I'm just saying this is the absurdity of it is that people act like I don't have the right I mean William Bolivorce who was a white man, an Englishman, obviously gave his whole life to help African slaves. He said, this is my duty. God has called me to this. Today, you have people saying, like, well, we don't want help from a white guy. And you just think, what are we, what are we even talking about? It's just, it's a level of madness. We're going to go to a break. Folks, please find Bob Woodson. Go to

Woodsoncenter.org. Look it up. Sharewoodsoncenter.org with your friends. Go to 1776 unites.com. 1776 unites.com. We'll be right back. Folks, I'm talking to my friend Bob Woodson of the Woodson Center, wudson center.org. Bob, I know that they wanted you to name the Woodson Center with your last name because you are technically old enough to be able to do this right now.

If I name something to the Metaxus Center, it wouldn't be right. But at a certain point, you're able to get away with that kind of stuff. So the Woodson Center.org. So let's talk about reparations. Is there anybody with half a brain who really thinks this is a good idea? I mean, it seems to me there's certain things that are just flat out crazy. This is to me one of those ideas. Like I just think I don't even know who is serious about this.

Oh, it is crazy because the assumption is, first of all, you're trying to monetize pain and suffering that occurred hundreds of years. years ago. And then, of course, the obvious of fact is you have Native American, the five civilized Native American tribes. They own 5,000 slaves. We'll do their descendants pay. We had free blacks who own slaves. We'll do their descendants pay. I mean, it gets so ridiculous, but also it reduces that to a transaction. I mean, a friend of mine, Richard Watts, has two books in Titlemania. And in that book, he talks about how the detrimental effect that just people leaving money in their wills to their children. When children, even of the wealthy whites, get unearned money,

it devastates them in often because the parents cannot convey to those students the values and enthusiasm and passion it took to create the wealth, but they just give them the wealth, and it corrupts them. It's like people winning the lottery. So it is important for people to know what you do with money and how it's received, but just giving money in recompense for slavery and discrimination

is harmful. It is harmful to be. It's harmful on so many levels. First of all, it's insults, to me as an American, that somebody's going to say, literally, because the color of my skin, I owe money. You know, it just becomes absurd. My relatives, of course, were in Europe, suffering their own misery. So it just becomes really silly. And in this country, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we had a black president for one or two terms. I'm not, maybe I'm getting that

wrong. But we had a black president. We've had some of the most wealthy, successful, influential people in the culture, whether you're talking about Michael Jackson and Oprah Winfrey or Michael Jordan or what we've had just tremendously successful people, black people. The list is endless. So the idea that we're going to push this victim mentality, again, it's why I'm talking to you, because you have spent your life fighting against the victim mentality. Yeah, and what's even more lethal is that nothing is worse than providing people and a good excuse for failure. I mean, I would prefer old-fashioned bigotry. Frankly, it was easier to confront old-fashioned bigotry because it was at least a level of respect.

But nothing is worse than being patronized. That liberal white guilt assumes that the, that the faith of black America rests with whatever whites do or do not do. And that is, and so that is the most corrupt thing that I can ever think of. And that's why, but it is a bait and switch game. And that's a part that bothers me, that the people who are advocating, for instance, defund the police, they are living in safe and secure communities. They don't have to suffer the consequence of their advocacy.

And that's why, but if you look at the polls in the black community, 82% of blacks living in these troubled communities, they are against defunding the police. When surveys were taken of blacks and about, to what extent is racial discrimination, a principal barrier to your life, 62% said just sometimes it isn't a primary, barriers that I face.

So who are these extremists on the left? Who are they representing? They're not representing the people suffering the problem. In fact, they are creating the problem that they're getting paid to cure. It seems also that what the Democratic Party has done over the years is they have gotten people dependent on them, in a sense.

In other words, they promise things they don't deliver. In other words, they clearly have not in six decades spending trillions of dollars, they have not improved the lot of minority urban communities. I mean, it seems like that alone would tell you that at least we could say they're not helping with the trillions and trillions of dollars. They're not helping. But I would argue that the way they don't help is by keeping people in this perpetual cycle. And I know you've talked about this before. It's a mentality. And it's why I have you on this program. because I really think that in the culture, we don't hear from folks like you who you've come up through this.

You've seen both sides. You've seen every side of it. And you're a patriotic American. You love this country. And you want to help. I want to talk about 1776 Unites again because that's something that people need to hear about that in the few minutes we have left. You know, the 1619 was a series of essays that the New York Times produced that really denigrates the country, and they use America's birth defect of slavery as a bludgeon to kind of destabilize and undermine the country. So we assembled 23 plus scholars and activists, and we put together, we send a legitimate birthday of America 1776, and we have produced aspirational, inspirational content. Forgive me. I didn't realize what time it was.

When we come back, I will let you go on this. Folks, go to 1776unites.com. We'll be right back with Bob Woodson. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Bob Woodson of the Woodson Center. You can go to Woodsoncenter.org or 1776 unites.com. Bob, I cut you off before we went to a break. Please continue talking about 1776 unites.com.

The Woodson Center and 1776 Unites. 76 project is solution oriented. We must stop this fatalistic preoccupation, and because solutions to all of these problems exist within the same zip code as the problems. And so what we have in these essays, we've developed curriculum. First lessons that we've released, we had 9,000 downloads in a few weeks. And so if you go to our website, you can learn. about how the fact is, historically, when whites were at their worst, blacks were at their best,

we developed railroads, we established Wall Street, we built hotels, medical schools, hospitals. We're all of this in a free enterprise system. They were blacks who were born slaves, who died millionaires. The American people need to know that this is one of the greatest countries in the world. We're the only country to have an emancipation proclamation and fought and died to end slavery. And so in 1776, our series of essays, you'll meet scholars and activists that celebrates this country and attacks the whole victim's mentality and really promotes, I think, an inspirational presentation of America's promise. That's why people of color from all over the world risked their life to get here. Well, you know what? There's a couple of things.

We didn't mention. You know, when we talk about the 1619 project, this never really occurred to me to think of it this way. The idea that people would want to damn America because there was slavery here, was there any country in the world? Any country in Europe mentioned one that did not have slavery. Slavery was, you know, it was like oxygen.

Every single society had it. So to go back to 1619 and the point you're, finger at the colonies. I think to myself, what about England? What about Brazil? What about France? I mean, every single country had slavery. So it's really historical ignorance that it even allows people to make these points and in the pages of the New York Times. It really is. And right now, this cancel culture where teachers are being discouraged from teaching the children to the Star-Spangled banner. I mean, there's this really an assault on our values in this nation. And the Black Lives Matter is hostile to the nuclear family, all of the very values that

enabled Black America to survive and thrive, the family's self-determination and our Christian faith, the fact that Black Lives Matter is burning books in Portland, Oregon and defaming the Christian cross as a symbol of white supremacy, and yet they're saying they're acting on behalf of justice for blacks. They don't care about black folks. They're just using them as surrogates in their efforts to destabilize this nation. They want to see all of what we have created. They want to see it destroy it. That's their goal. They want to destroy us. And I think black folks are going to be the of this country because low-income blacks are the sleeping giant. When they wake up and find out how they're being used and abused, I think you're going to see a rebellion take place. And the Woodson

Center is doing everything we can to promote this kind of pushback from this assault on our nation that black America's fought in every war in this country ever had. And we didn't do so to protect slavery. We did so in help hope or fulfillment of America's promise. People have to speak up. I mean, this is the thing. And I especially think about my liberal, guilty, white friends. They do not have the courage. And you know what I think it is, Bob, seriously? I think that especially if you're a Christian, you know you're a sinner, right? So I don't have some idea like, ooh, I'm guilty. Forget it. Jesus died on the cross. for my sins. And so he wants me to own my sins, but to get past them. There are some people that

they're not there. And they're kind of, they think it's virtuous to kind of wallow in their guilt and to slink around and, you know, not say anything because who are they to say anything, whatever. It's kind of a perpetual mindset. And I really think that people of faith need to know that we're all guilty. And black people are exactly as guilty as white people. in the eyes of God, and they are as blessed and sacred in the eyes of God. And so this mentality is fundamentally unbiblical, but they're not hearing this. So this is why I want to have you on. I want people everywhere in America, homeschoolers, go to 1776 Unites.com. Print this stuff out, share it. Classical Christian schools. Any school needs to use this information to combat

the lies. These are destructive lives. It lies. If you care about minorities in America, you're going to have to do the right thing. You're going to have to have the guts to speak against BLM and speak against these destructive policies. Bob, what can people do besides go to your websites right now? Because this stuff is just, it's really, it's tragic. Well, they certainly can contribute, but also we've gotten calls from associations of lawyers, accountants, and just today they called and said, Bob, what can we do? I said, we've got quite a few of our groups in these cities have business incubator facilities

in low-income communities, and they could use some hands-on help. I just think what we're trying to do is we must de-racialize race and desegregate poverty. We're bringing together J.D. Vance and Clarence Page in Cincinnati, Ohio, to begin to talk about an alliance between

low-income blacks and low-income whites. I think that people on both sides use race to help destabilize people. But white America, low-income white America and low-income black America have more in common in terms of the challenges that they face than they have in their differences. Because there's a crisis in content and meaning that's causing inner city people to die from homicide and wealthy people in Silicon Valley to die from homicide, a suicide rather. The suicide rate there is six times the national average. So we have got to put race aside in order to help come up with solutions to that hole that's in the heart of many of our young people that's causing them to take a life or to take their own life.

It's the same different sides of the same coin. But we'll never solve that problem if we'll never solve that problem if we, continue to engage in tribal and warfare. We're going to leave it there. We'll be right back final segment with Bob Woodson. Folks, go to 1776unites.com. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Bob Woodson of the Woodson Center.

Please go to Woodsoncenter.org. Check it out. Use the resources. Woodsoncenter.org. Please go to 1776unites.com. Use those resources. Bob, before we continue the conversation, I want to remind my viewers, we're doing a fundraiser with food for the poor. Folks, we want everybody to participate. It's an amazing organization.

They're helping people going through a tough time. They're reputable. We got to give back. We know that. Go to our website, metaxis talk.com. Click on the banner. We need everybody to do something. Bob, what should we talk about in our remaining moments together? I would like to spend a little time talking about that my book, Lessons from the Lease of These, what I have done is taking 40 years, experiences I've had of walking in these low-income communities and working with grassroots leaders who have come up with solutions in the face of these troubled communities. It's an inspirational, aspirational book. It's called Lessons from the Lease of These.

It's available on Amazon. because it'll acquaint you with the Woodson principles. I've distilled 10 principles that explains how people are able to find redemption, restoration, and recovery in some of the most difficult circumstances that people face. Because people are motivated, Eric, when they are exposed to victories that are possible, not constantly reminding them of injuries to be avoided. So if you want to know and learn about how people have overcome difficult circumstances, how they have triumphed in the face of oppression, go by the book.

Lessons from the least of these. Lessons from the least of these by Bob Woodson. How long has that been out, Bob? I don't remember when that came out. December 15th. Oh, it's that new? Yes. We're waiting until the final segment to plug it for crying out loud.

Lessons from the least of these, Bob Woodson. Seriously, Bob, I just have a passion to get good information out to people. It's why I do the program. But people need to do something. People need to understand. You have homework, folks. If you can, go to 1776 Unites.com. Check out the resources.

Go to watsoncenter.org. share these links with friends. You may think of somebody that you can share this with. Send them an email, send them a text, share this video with them. And the book, of course, Lessons from the Least of These. Bob, when we have you back soon, I just want to focus on that book, Lessons from Least of These, because people need to know about this book. I know during COVID times, it's been tough to launch a book.

I came out with a book a year ago called Seven More Men. And one of the stories in there is George Washington Carver. I have never in my life been so moved. This black man is one of the great heroes of America. I've never encountered anything like his story. So I wrote about it in my book, but because of COVID and everything, I haven't been able to get out and do a lot of speaking on it. And I know that's the case with your book, Lessons from the Least of These.

We've just got to get these things out to people. Educators need to read these things. Folks, we've got responsibilities here to take a, to take stock of stuff, figure out what's going on. Bob, I keep forgetting what city you're in. Washington, D.C. Never heard of it. Are you behind the razor wire or you're outside the razor wire?

I'm outside the razor wire. Thank God. Thank God. Okay. Well, I just, I want to thank you for everything you're doing. I got to meet you because of the Colson Center, because of Chuck Colson and the Colson Center. And you're one of these people.

When I finally met you, I thought, how have I not known you before? So I thank God for the Colson Center, John Stone Street. And I thank God for you. We'll have you back just to talk about the book, Lessons from the Least of These by Bob Woodson. Folks, please go to wudsoncenter.org and 1776 Unites.com. Bob Woodson, God bless you, my friend. Thanks for being. Bless you, and thanks for having me on, Eric.