The Eric Metaxas Show - Brad Zockoll (Continued)

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

After the loss of his brother, Dr. Brad Zockoll embarked on a learning quest on the promises of Heaven. Learn more about "The Heaven Guy" at https://theheaventour.com/

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Yes, right now with Brad Z-O-C-O-L-L-L. Am I spelling it right, Brad? Yes, sir. You certainly are. Thank you, Eric. He counts. Z-O-C-O-L-L, Brad Z-Z-O-C-O-L, Brad Z-C-L. We're talking about heaven.

So, Brad, what else? I mean, so what does the scripture say? that, you know, if somebody is listening to this program and they don't know what they think about anything, all this God stuff or whatever, what does the Bible tell us about heaven? Because everybody wants to know. Well, the great joy is this, that God is so excited over a person's free will choice to make a decision to be with him in his home. Zephaniah 317 says he will actually sing. If you can imagine this, God himself, the Father Yahweh, will sing in joy over it. this. And I think one of the biggest things that I tell people is this. We start thinking it as real

estate and not the Redeemer. We're going home. Second Corinthians chapter 5 versus 6 through 8 says, when the Christian is absent from this body, he or she is at home with the Lord. The word in the Greek is N. Demeto is where we get the word domestic. We're going home. And it keeps emphasizing, as Jesus says in John 14. In my father's, the Greek is in my father's home. There are many dwelling places. And it keeps emphasizing family. We're brothers and sisters in Christ.

Matthew 6, he is the father who is in heaven. We start getting this idea that this is more than just some complacent, boring place. I mean, think about it. And that's the second thing is when people tell me, well, heaven's boring. But then you haven't read the Bible. Okay. Matthew chapter 8 and verse 11. we're feasting, it says it will sit down, recline a table, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,

they retain their earthly names, which means we don't lose our identification in heaven. And that's father's son and grandson, which we're talking about, we'll recognize our beloved, you know, those that have in the faith that are relatives too. And Paul says this, I will be fully known. Does I fully know? You know, recognition there. We're going to be led by the Lamb. Ephesians 2.7 is really powerful, too.

It says, in the ages to come, according to his, His riches, God's riches, which are eternal, he is going to keep bestowing upon us kindnesses through Jesus Christ. What in the world does that mean? Well, that's a celestial definition. I don't even know where to go with. But we keep seeing this. We all like to know security is home, and that keeps being emphasized. We're going to be with the family.

We are going home. I tell people that. That's one of the first things, is God wants you to come into his household, come into his home. He wants you to be part of his family. and that's a wonderful, wonderful comfort. Like I said, Lazarus was being comforted. You know, we have a place of comfort. Matthew chapter 25, Jesus says you're entering in.

It's a place of joy. So we start seeing all of these promises to let you know. This is not a place of boredom, continual activity, and that's just a sampler of it. Well, it's interesting because, again, people have these like really stupid ideas of heaven. I mean, the idea that heaven would be boring, I just want to. say that's incredibly stupid folks like do you think that god who created the universe uh would say yeah come to heaven it's like oh sorry it's boring it's just it's just dumb so i don't know what you know people aren't really thinking through when they say stuff like that it's ridiculous either heaven

doesn't exist if it does exist it's unbelievably indescribably great um but a lot of this comes from secular views of heaven so you know you get a new yorker cartoon st peter at the pearly gates You get all these ideas that it's just nonsense. I mean, first of all, you know, there's no such thing as the pearly gates. That's a misnomer. The idea is in Revelation, there are 12 gates made of pearl. So you're talking about 12 gates surrounding the heavenly, you know, so all these ideas that we're floating on a cloud, that, you know, everybody's got a white robe and a beard and a harp

and what all these ideas are make it difficult for us really to grasp what we're what we're looking at is mind-blowingly glorious and it's the whatever the antithesis of boredom is i mean it's it's going to be beautiful i mean people should worry about going to hell because i guarantee you folks that will be boredom infinite boredom and pain i got to ask you brad um do you talk about hell because we don't want to assume everybody's going to heaven because scripture is pretty clear that everybody's not going to heaven. Absolutely. As a matter of fact, when I conclude, if I'm traveling, I will finish with this, I will say, you know, I want you to imagine that I walked up to Bill Gates Mansion. I got through security and I said, Bill, I've always used Microsoft. I've always spoken well of you. You're a nice guy. Now, I'd like to live there. I'd like to have that bedroom up there and my meals are at 8, 12, and 5.30. Those two cars out there. And then he's kind of what? I said, look, Bill, I don't stutter. You know, I've spoken well of you.

You never, your windows is great to me. Oh, you want to know about me? I'm a nice guy. I don't kick cats. I pay my taxes and things like this. Now, I'd like that room. So I start moving on in there and I'm demanding the cars. Well, as the security is pummeling me to the linoleum, I'm saying, Bill, Bill, what are you doing?

And he says, I don't know you. I take him to Matthew chapter 7. See, some people say, well, I believe in God, James 219. Even the demons believe, and they tremble. Well, I believe Jesus is a son of God. Mark 1, Mark 3, Mark 5, the demons look right at Jesus. You are the son of God. You are deity.

They're not going to heaven. Okay, say, look, don't start, you know, faking yourself out here. Matthew 7, Lord, Lord, haven't we spoken well of you? Haven't we done wonderful churchy things in your name? He says, I don't know you. We've never had a relationship. This is a social thing with you. And Matthew chapter 13, Eric, it tells you,

If you follow the mathematical principle of the sower, it talks about four groups of people, receive the word. Only one is actually going because of the proof of their salvation, and they are showing their walk with the Lord. John chapter 14, Jesus says, my sheep, hear my voice and I know them because they follow me. But if you follow the mathematical principle in Matthew chapter 13, only one out of every four people who think they're going to heaven are going to heaven. It's a real eye open of there. So I do talk about that. Mark 9, Jesus himself, is very clear about the dangers of hell. And so there is no doubt, I give the warning just as much as I give the blessing.

I tell people, you do understand this. We are not, this is not a bumper sticker thing, you know, to the believer. Revelation 321, Jesus says, I want you to sit down on the throne with me. Boring? We're going to reign, Revelation 22 and verse 5. The believers will reign with Christ on the new earth. but none of this is given anywhere to those who are casual in their, they just think that this is just a head knowledge. This is not a heart follow.

And I talk with people constantly. Don't fool yourself. Any more than I can walk into Fort Sills or, you know, Fort Stewart and say, I've always liked the army. Okay, I want the meals at the KP. You know, give me a uniform. What are you talking about, Mr? You know? And so it doesn't even work in the secular, you know.

And so why would we say in the sacred that would work? Yeah, it's interesting. And I think that it's painful. It should be painful for anybody to think about anyone else not going to heaven. It should be painful. Anytime I hear anybody speak in a cavalier way about that, I think you yourself do not know God. If you talk that way about another human being where it gives you joy to think of somebody in hell, that's you don't know God's grace you don't know your own sin if you speak that way this is stuff

that should should hurt us to think about and when when because I think because it hurts God to think that somebody would be away from him apart from him for eternity that's it's tough stuff and again these things are are a mystery we have just a few seconds in this this segment, and then we've got one more segment. But is there anything that anyone has ever told you that has changed your view of heaven? That's made you think, oh, I've never heard that before. I would say, when I started, this happened sometime. This was a fellow college student. And he went back and he said, the biggest thing for me is that, All of these other things, you know, it's like it's along the line of Matthew 6,

seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things will be added unto you. He said this, first and foremost, it's like what Jesus said. We're going to see us glory. Then what's glory mean? That means the manifestation of all of its attributes. And I started realizing. Oh, sorry, I ask you this important question.

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And Brad, I asked you an important question right as we went to the break. You were talking about, you said, a college student you'd been talking to about the subject of heaven. And then going into it, and he said, we're going to, he said, Brad, understand this. We're going to see Christ's glory. And this is what he says in John 17. He says that my children are going to come and then they're going to behold my glory. they're going to be with me. And I realize the great depth of this, when we go to heaven and we see Christ in the throne,

like Revelation chapter 5, we are celebrating together. The two things that I got were this. And this would be, Eric, probably, this would be the big nuclear bomb of reality for me years back. Revelation 7.9, despite what anybody else says, you know, on their conjecture on what they think heaven is, Revelation 7.9 says, as John says, I'm looking here, these are those that are the redeemed. And I can't even begin to count the number. It's beyond number. But they are from different nations. They are from different races. They are from different cultures. They're from different languages. And they're all together celebrating Christ. So there's two things. There's no bias stereotypes.

Galatians 3 says there is no difference between the cultures, between the genders, everything. If we're in Christ, we are all going to be together, celebrating together. But the point is, they're all celebrating Christ. A lot of people get scared by the word worship, and I tell them, this is celebration. You know, Habakkuk 214 says the whole new earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of God. We're going to see all of his attributes, his wisdom without any hindrance, his omnipotence, his power. We're going to be going on new adventures. Revelation 7 says that the Lamb will be leading us and taking us. to new places and new realms and new discoveries. That was a real eye-opener for me to see Jesus in his

glory. What's the classic question? Will I see my pet in heaven? What do you say to that one? Here's the thing. First of all, I start with this. Are there animals in heaven? Absolutely. Isaiah 65-25 tells you, gives you a list of animals. The millennial kingdom of Isaiah 11 seems to open up into the eternal kingdom gives you about 14 different animals there. Jesus, Revelation 9. comes out of heaven on a horse along with the saints. Now, the second question is, yes, but what about my domesticated pets? And I tell people this, and it always stops. I said, I'm going to give you the famous three words as I travel.

I don't know. Because we do not have anything in the scripture saying, absolutely, your pet's going to be there. But I also say this. The Bible does not say, absolutely not. Eric, I hold of this. If the Bible does not give a specific, I will not make a conversation. I will not make a conjecture. We just don't know.

And so it very well may be. Very well may be. Will there be mini bikes in heaven? Just don't answer that. I think sometimes people have this idea of heaven as like, you know, it's like a fun house. It's like a theme park. It's awesome. And all that does is underscore the poverty of our imaginations.

It reminds me of C.S. Lewis's famous line about, talking to a kid about a holiday vacation at the seashore, a kid who doesn't even know what that is. He's only been playing in the mud in a slum. And we are playing in the mud in a slum here. We cannot comprehend. So like what we think is great is nothing compared to what God thinks is great. So again, we get these glimpses. But the more I learn about heaven or anything, the more I,

I say what I said earlier, we can know almost nothing except that God is so good. And the scripture tells us we cannot comprehend of what this loving God has prepared for those who love him. We can't comprehend, but we know it's good. And in some ways, you almost want to stop there. It's like, trust me, it's the greatest thing imaginable. It's better than what you can imagine. and God loves you. And it's so great. But to get into the specifics, I mean, so there's some funny specifics, you know, that even Christians get wrong, you know, when we talk about, oh, the streets of gold and the whatever. We kind of bring it down to our level, like, oh, it's going to be awesome.

Streets of gold. And, you know, when I bowl, I'm going to get a strike every time. You know, what we kind of, even the idea of you quoted the scripture. you know, where Jesus says, in my house are many rooms, are many mansions. They're different translations. And a lot of Christians get hung up on when I'm going to get a mansion when I get to heaven. My mansion is going to be, you know, and you think, you know, it's whatever it is,

it's going to be amazing. But so according to you, though, we don't get a mansion, right? We get a room in his house. Yeah, the Greek word is Monet. And now here's the exciting thing. We don't know what that means. Does that mean an apartment? Does that mean a suite?

Does that mean in the days that this was being set? You know, the Patriarch would have the newly married couple's son-in-law and the daughter or son and a daughter-in-law. And he would build a wing. They would spend the whole year of betrothal. He and the son, for example, would build a wing. And so it was attached to the patriarch's house. And so the vision in the first century is, oh, well, now we're going to be attached to God's own domain. Now, wherever that goes, but that's totally different from a son.

separate mansion over here or, you know, by yourself. We're there in the lodging of the Lord. It's a very fascinating one. Will there be a laundry room in the basement? Well, everything, there's no, there's nothing that will defile. It says in Revelation 21, 27, no defilement on the new earth. There is no curse. Then so dirty laundry is a curse, you know, and any... No, it's so hard for us, you know, to think about this. honestly, because even that, even when Jesus says, in my house, there are many mansions, in my house, there are many rooms. Why do we even try to assume he's speaking literally? He is trying to communicate with us about something that is incomprehensible. I mean, imagine if you start getting

really literal and you go, okay, God has a house and the house has rooms and each of us is going to be in rooms. So that means that God is a house with billions of rooms, maybe, so let's say a billion rooms or I don't know, 800,000 rooms and each of us is going to live in a room, are there hallways? It just becomes preposterous to try to figure this out. You're in a heavenly dimension. It's not, it's that you cannot really, even Jesus, that's kind of the point, cannot explain this to us sufficiently. There's no, there's no way. Now, if he wanted to, he could communicate it to us.

He could catch us up to be there and to see it with our own eyes. but then we'd get back and then we couldn't communicate it because it's so so we can know what we can know. We know the Bible is true. But I think maybe the big takeaway for me, Brad, is we don't need to know. God gives us what we need to know. He gives us what we need to know. And we don't need to. So it's fun to speculate. But at the same time, God is telling us, trust me. That's how I read it. He's telling us, trust me. You can know some stuff, but trust me. And, you know, you really can't go wrong with trusting him if you know who he is. Absolutely. Absolutely. Even just, you know, just like we talked about earlier, when God even says Isaiah 25, 6, I'm making the menu. Where in the world do we go

with that? What kind of foods will we have? He says, I will give you the best of the meats. If Yahweh himself is saying, I'm giving you the best, then I have never had my favorite food. You know, I will have that in heaven, you know, whatever it's going to be. And he says meat. So there's, so there's slaughterhouses in heaven? Well, here's the thing. And this comes up on it. What would necessitate animals having to die? Could not got, you're going to have to understand how I say it. What would require God before he would lay a T-bone steak in front of you? He doesn't have to have the death of an animal, right? And we think about the whole presentation as we just talked about, we will take it into our three-dimensional minds. Well, this has to happen for us to make this happen.

but this is the creator of the universe. And if he lays out a buffet instantane, in other words, does he have to grow the corn if there's even corn? You know, this is all instantaneous. You know, the example, one pastor, Adrian Rogers, has since gone on to be with the Lord. He said this, he says, I want you to think about this. When Jesus broke the bread and gave the fishes out,

those fish never swam in an earthly stream, that bread was baked in a heavenly oven. And I thought, wow, he's right, you know? that's no wonder these people were filling themselves up as much as they could and probably stuffing the robes with extras, you know, but this was heavenly food an example of what we could have. I mean, all of this. To me, it becomes comical when we try with our human minds to try to, you know, figure this stuff out. You know, will the fish have bone? Will they be deboned? Will they be, it gets so silly. It just gets so ridiculous. I don't think about that. We really just have to trust the Lord.

Folks, God is God. Hey, he's God. And I think a lot of people, they bring them down to a human level. You know, this is not Zeus or this is not, you know, a superhero. This is the Lord who created heaven and earth out of nothing, who loves us, who died for us. It is beyond our ability. But a few things we can know. It is real. He loves us. It's going to be more glorious than we can imagine. And we should do everything we possibly can to. be there with him because that's his will. We're at a time. What a joy. Brad Z-O-C-K-O-L-L. The Heaven Tour, many books. What is Heaven all about? Brad, thank you so much. This has been wonderful. Thank you very much. I appreciate this. Folks, welcome back. This is that time where I get to talk about gold with the experts. Actually, with one expert, our friend Colin Plum, who's a CEO and founder of Noble gold. Colin, welcome back. Eric, nice to be here. Always a pleasure to be on your show.

Well, it's always fun to talk about gold. It's sort of funny. Gold is just one of those things. Everybody likes gold for different reasons, I guess. But I have to ask you, just because it's so entertaining to me, that most people know that at Fort Knox, there is, I don't know, tons of gold, you know, literally tons of gold. Talk about that because President Trump and Elon Musk in the last weeks we're talking about whining to see if it's all there or what, can you help us understand what that's about? I just find that painting. Well, and this is something that since I've been in the business, I've been doing this for 16 years.

People have always said they should do it on it. They haven't done a full audit in 50 years. and, you know, people have a normal distrust of the government. And why haven't they done an audit? Why haven't they shown if this is the country's assets, which they are, we should be able to see what they have. They did a partial audit in 1974 right after we got off the gold standard with Nixon, but they only did about 5%.

What's interesting, too, there's multiple layers that are interesting. But one thing that's interesting is that when they did the last audit, partial audit in 1974, they valued the gold. at $42.22, which was the value at that time. They've never revalued the gold to today's prices. So a lot of this conversation with Musk and Trump is we're going to, we should redo an audit again, make sure we have the gold. Hopefully we do.

And then they should revalue it to closer to today's price. And now what price they would value at is interesting because if they took the amount of tons of gold we have, which is 8,100. 44. And if they did what I believe, which is $4,000 an ounce, which is higher than what it is state. But if they did that, we'd have a trillion dollars in value. And that would be a trillion dollars on our balance sheet that we didn't have before. Now, hang on a second. How much gold is there? 8,144 tons. Tons of gold. And that's theoretically what's at Fort Knox. Not all at Fort Knox.

Bank of New York. We have one more location, but between the three locations. It's actually the one thing that, and everybody says, like, why are we doing this? But it is kind of mysterious because we did an audit in 1941, and we had over 20,000 tons of gold. We had 80% of the world's gold at that time. We do the Breton Awards exchange because the pound is struggling, and we become the world's reserve currency. and part of that was because we had the most gold. People trusted us as a strong government, a strong currency.

Great Britain was having a tailspin after World War II. They were just in financial problems. So we became the big dollar there. From that 20,000 that they audit in 1941 to 1974, we go from 20,000 to 8,144 tons. There's never been any explanation as to why we don't have those 12,000 tons. There's nowhere. You can't find anything about it. So I think this general distrust is warranted in the fact that the government has sold gold without us knowing because they did it for that 30-year time period.

Obviously, it would have been great if we kept that gold. It made no sense. Our country was booming after World War II. It made no sense to sell the gold, but we did. So, yeah. So the idea is they go and they audit, they revalue it to today, and then they could do a few different things. Maybe they do gold bonds that are backed by the gold, or maybe it just puts money on our balance

sheet that we've never had to make our debt look a little bit smaller. And that's why I think the trillion dollar value makes the most sense because we're 36 trillion in debt and we're trying to chip away with Doge and everything that we're doing. So I think they're going to revalue the gold at some point in the next few weeks, few months, to either that $4,000 or current market value. And also simply to determine how much is there. But that, again, that's sort of like saying, oh, we've spent billions of dollars, but we're not sure where it went.

That's so unacceptable. How is it even conceivable that we need to, like, you know, check on what we have? I'm just astonished to even hear such a thing. Well, because I think this is the first time that we've actually had a lot of transparency that we're trying to get to a more transparent government, right? I think, you know, what we're seeing with Doge and them going in and stripping things apart, finding all this money that we've lost and all this, you know, all these things that we spent money on that we didn't need.

This is really the first time that people are saying, like, we don't, we want to see inside. We want to see the balance sheets. We want to see the profit and loss statement, right? I mean, that's what's happening. And I think that's why it's, and Elon Musk brought this to people's attention. I mean, on his ex post, he did this meme that said, like, the gold's gone. Like, he actually doesn't. know if the gold's there. President Trump doesn't know. None of these two people, the two most

powerful people in the world right now don't actually know if we have the gold there. So I think people want to know if it's there. And whether it's there, you know, it'll show that gold is powerful and it's a big part of our economy and it makes sense. If it's not there, you know, it'll be interesting to see what happens to the price of gold, you know, because if the 8,144 tons, if maybe only half is there, then where's the gold in the world? You know, who has the most gold? There's all these questions. And I think, I want to keep talking to you about this, but I want to everybody to hear me

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It's just fascinating. We're living in exciting times. It's my recommendation to you that you do this for many reasons. We'll get into when we come back. But go to Eric Mataxisgold.com. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to Colin Plum, who's a CEO founder of Noble Gold.

and we're having fun, at least it's fun for me talking about these kinds of things. There's something just undeniably fascinating about gold. I mean, there's a reason that, you know, people want gold. It has this value that it has. There's so much to say about it. But we've been talking about how much gold we have at Fort Knox and how this becomes a question and government transparency. And it's just, it's so fascinating to me that we're at a point where we have a president

daring to ask questions like, hey, we like to know if how much is there and what it's worth. Now, I guess the question, Colin, is it, are they suggesting maybe you said that some of it had been sold, but we don't have a full accounting of how much? Well, we know that when they did the audit in 1941, we had over 20,000 tons. And then they did an audit again in 1974. And we had 8,144. That's the last time we did a, we didn't do a full audit, but a partial audit. So there was about 12,000 tons that were sold or leased or something happened.

There's no record of what happened there. But we know that there was, you know, gold that was no longer available to us in our audit. So I think what's happening is that this new administration is looking at all the assets they have. They're obviously selling or they're trying to sell a lot of the real estate that they don't need. I don't know how well that's going to do. And, you know, there's a lot of empty real estate in the country. So I don't know if it's the greatest time. that's something they're trying to move.

They're trying to get that out, get it into private hands because we have too much office and too much real estate that that's not profitable for the government. And then the other question is like, what other assets do we own as a government that are valuable? And that's why gold has become a very hot topic is that they want to know how much gold we have and put it on our balance sheet is something that we has as a positive. If you look at them valuing gold in 1874 at $44 and then today, let's say valuing at, you know, three, four thousand, you go from, you know, a few hundred million to almost a, almost a trillion dollars in value that we add to the balance sheet, which I think would be a good thing for our

government to show that. So gold has really become something in the forefront. And I think a big reason is obviously gold last year to today has outperformed the S&P and the NASDAQ and all the big exchanges. Gold is up 46% from January last year to today. So it's, it's skyrocketed. But I think the people know now that with inflation sitting around 3%, that's kind of the new norm. 2% is really gone. I don't think we're going to get back there anytime soon, that we're in a position where if inflation is 3, 4%, what assets can you hold that do well as your dollar is losing value? And that's why I think a lot of people are talking about gold is because it's a good asset.

It's a limited supply asset. And so that's why not only the government's talking about it, but just overall the world is talking about gold. And I want to be clear with my audience. If they have questions about this, they can go to Eric Mataxis gold.com. Correct. Or they can, I'll give the number, folks, because I know people are listening to this, and they're kind of wondering about what they want to do.

The number, if you're interested, is 877-646-5-3-447. 877, 646, 5347. Because what you're saying, Colin, and you've said it before, and it's true, this is, it's a hedge against inflation. This is something that you and I recommend. It's kind of a basic thing. And realistically, I mean, if somebody says, okay, I want to put some of my money into gold, you guys can hold it or you can send it to people. You get people. Yeah, we can do it. So a lot of people with us, they do it. We really cut our teeth in the market through the gold IRA, silver IRA space. So that's we, if you have an IRA, an old 401k, a TSP, you can actually put that in physical gold, you know, these items. We do all the paperwork. We make it really easy for you. So yeah, so we could do it that way in an IRA. And a lot of people, they have multiple IRAs. So it makes sense because maybe you have one in the stock market. And then you got one that you want to diversify. That's why a lot of people do this with us. which is kind of what you were mentioning, Eric, is like, this is like a hedge, right? So if you're a little concerned about the stock market, and, you know, even President Trump

said this could be a bumpy year for the stock market. You know, obviously he's, you know, with tariffs, he's doing a lot of house cleaning and we're having to get out from what we did from the last administration. So it could be a bumpy year or two. So if you're looking to diversify, we can do that IRA, silver, gold, platinum, plating, or if you just have some cash and you're not happy with return and you want to get into something else. We can just ship it directly to your doorstep. And we're shipping right now in less than a week. In a nondescript package, you know, shows up at your doorstep. And, and so we've

contains gold, please steal. No, it's, yeah. No, it's, it's, it's, it's, what we do is the box looks like anything. We send you the tracking number. You have to sign for it. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's had really good, we've shipped to Eric just, it's hard to believe. But in eight years, we've shipped one point three billion dollars in gold to people's doorsteps. So, So we've done it a lot. And I can tell you on one hand, how many times we've had a problem and all that shipment that we've done. So it's a pretty good.

We only had silver shipped to us because I'm a humble writer. But I got to tell you, there's something very exciting about getting this package and opening it up. And there is silver. It's just, it's beautiful. And there's something just fascinating about it. I mean, you know this. But just to look at it, to hold it.

I think because we live in a world that's increasingly ethereal, digital, to actually hold something. And you say this has a certain value. There's just something beautiful about it and kind of grounding. Like, it's real. But so the website is Eric Mataxisgold.com. Ericmetaxisgold.com. The phone number 877-646-3-4-7. And if I can hold you on for a few more minutes, Colin, I want to talk to you about your book, Silver is the new oil.

Yes, absolutely. When did that come out? It came out in December of last year. And it was a project for, I mean, you write a lot, so you know how hard it is. It took about two years to formulate. And what I wanted the book to do, really during the pandemic, you know, I realize that part of the the idea behind silver was that I think it's got this potential like what oil was 120 years ago. I'm not saying it's going to replace oil.

I'm saying that I think the profit potential and the amount of usage is similar to what oil was in the late 1800s and the 1900s where it's starting to address a lot of energy sources, solar panels, electric vehicles, obviously technology. It's in everything. And people don't realize how many things we use that have. silver. So I wanted to paint that story. And then also I give tips about alternative ways to create wealth, which I want to hold you. I want to hold you over because I want to talk more about this. Folks, if you want to know more about this, if you want to get gold, you want to get silver,

or if you have questions, go to Eric Mataxisgold.com. Ericmetaxusgold.com. If you prefer to speak to someone, 877646-3347, that's 8776465347. That's 8776-4-7. folks welcome back talking to Colin Plume with Noble Gold and Colin you know you're sharing some stuff I've shared on the program before about when you talk about something like silver I tend not to think about this kind of thing because I think about you know silver coins when you know Susanna package in the mail of these beautiful silver coins that noble gold sent us and I look at it and I think of it that way but obviously maybe not so obvious Yes. Silver is used in all kinds of applications. And so you're saying that because of that, it's going to increase in value. It's a good investment. And in your book, Silver is the new oil. You talk about some of that.

You were just mentioning some of those. Keep going on that. Yeah, so industrial demand 10 years ago to today, they have double the amount of industrial uses for silver than 10 years ago. So there's just so many industries that are gobbling up silver that need it, including the government, including defense. The government actually last year bought $400 million in silver and about $100 million in gold. It was a four to one ratio. So they bought more silver than gold because they used silver, drones, warheads, all of these things. They actually, I tried to find it in my book, but I couldn't find anybody that would tell me how much silver they used because they don't want the public to know, right?

they kept it under wraps. But that's just one of the areas and the government continue. And every year they're buying silver, people don't realize that silver has doubled over the last five years. Yet it's still half the price of where it was in 1983 when the Hunt brothers try to corner the market. So even though it's doubled in the last five years, it's still got a lot of room to run. So I really like where silver is sitting today. I like the price of it, but it has to do with the underlying value and why people continue to use it. If you just look at solar panel usage alone, that's 17% of the usage.

It continues to grow as people add this to their homes. That's not going anywhere. So they use between 10 and 25 grams of silver in every solar panel. And then a little known fact that's just kind of a silly thing, but it kind of adds to the value is that most refrigerators today have one to two ounces of silver. and it's unlikely that someone's going to go to a place where the refrigerators, the old ones are, and pull that silver out, right? Because it's worth 60 bucks. If it was gold, they would do it. They'd rip that refrigerator open.

So what I'm saying is that they only recycle between 4% and 5% of the industrial uses. So as much as they're trying to find it in Mexico and in the U.S., they're not recycling a huge amount of it either, which means that they have to continue to find more. more and mining gets more expensive. And obviously, everybody knows what labor, inflation is doing to everything. So the price, the underlying price has to go up because it just costs a lot of money to pull it out of the ground. Well, your book is silver is the new oil. Yes.

Much more about it. But, you know, folks are basic recommendation here. You understand that, you know, the economy is, it's always volatile. but the next year or two, it's probably going to be tough in any circumstances, but especially now, gold and silver are the safest bet. It's even safe. It's better than safe. So if you're interested in doing that, getting some gold, getting some silver in various ways,

you can go to Eric McIntax's gold.com. Eric Mattaxasus gold. If you have questions, you want to talk somebody, you can call 8.7. 67, 646-5347-877, 646-5-3-4-7. And again, the website, Noble Gold, you can go to Ericmetaxisgold.com. Ericmetaxis gold.com. It's an exciting opportunity. It's good, Colin, to be able to talk to somebody that I trust on these important issues.

Thanks for partnering with us. And congratulations on the book, Silver is the New Oil. Thanks for being with us. Thank you.