The Eric Metaxas Show - Brian Godawa

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

Amazon best-selling author and award-winning Hollywood screenwriter Brian Godawa joins The Eric Metaxas Show 

Folks, welcome to the Eric Metaxus show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy p.m. Investments.com. Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show. Did you ever see the movie The Blob, starring Steve McQueen? The Blood Curdling Prep of The Blub. Well, way back when, Eric had a small part in that film, but they had to cut his scene because the blob was supposed to eat them. But he kept spitting him up. Oh, the whole thing was just a disaster.

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We would love that if you would ask us a question. Just to jump in here, we actually did get a listener email from a Ms. Ferdy who ended up watching the Czech film, or was it Polish film. I can't remember. Oh, you're kidding. She watched it at your recommendation and said, you're right, something different was a good movie. And the one that followed was good also. That's hilarious. I got back from Europe.

I was saying the other day, I got back from Europe, I was a zombie. I woke up at 2.30 a.m. because of the, you know, the jet lag. You're going to sleep early. And I watched Czech cinema, circa 1963, and it was a great film. So we love it. Thank you, Chris. Yeah, you're starting the movement now. I love it when people email us at Metaxistocot.com. And just that is so funny. That is so funny. Thank you. I, I, we love your emails. I got another email. Actually, let me read this. Somebody just writes to us. She writes, for my. my senior homeschool daughter, I am dissecting your book, if you can keep it.

Some of you know I wrote a book about America called If You Can Keep It. I'm foraging supplements and resources, including the Paul Revere Home Cut and Assemble. It's a paper. I write about it in my book, if you can keep it, that I made a tiny paper model of Paul Revere's home up in Boston. She says, I'm doing all this to coordinate with each chapter, pulling it all together for the last history curriculum and class I'll offer in my 20. 23 years of homeschooling. God bless these people. We're going to be talking to Sam Sorbo about homeschooling and hour two today. She writes, to celebrate my homeschooling graduation and her high school

graduation, 24, our family will do the Freedom Trail in Paul Revere's ride. Thank you, Eric. You captured the anchors of the America promise. And our hope is to remind our daughter of every one of them before she goes to the sieve of college. So that's Leslie writing to us. I won't use her last name. And thank you, Leslie, for writing. So, folks, please go to Metaxistocot.com. Write to us anything you like. If you've got a question for Ask Metaxus, most importantly, we need you to go and click on the emergency relief supplies banner for food for the poor.

We really do need your help. Please do that. Or you can call 844-863 Hope. 844-8663 Hope. We'll be right back with Brian Gadawa. Folks, don't go away. On MyPillow's 20-year anniversary with over 80 million My Pillows sold, Mike Lindell with MyPillow wants to thank you by giving you the lowest price in history on their MyPillows.

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on a woke university campus. And what he is, is he's called the philosopher killer, and he captures university professors, and he debates with them. And the topic of the debate is his moral right to kill them. So basically he'll say something like,

if what you say is true about the universe and give me one valid reason why I should not kill you, and I will let you go. And of course, all the various professors are, you know, feminists, evolutionary, biologists, and gender theorists,

and all this. And as they try to plumb their philosophies and their worldviews, of course, at the end of the day, there's no real foundation for morality in any, in any worldview system, except for Christianity. This is a brilliant idea, Brian Godawa. Congratulations on coming up with this idea. It really is a wonderful idea. I want to talk to you about this book, as I say, at some length. But I want to talk to you about you, because I want to introduce you to my audience. So I met you, you just reminded me about 20 years ago through my friend Jack Hafer, not Jack Hayford, but Jack Hafer in Hollywood, in L.A., because of a film called To End All Wars.

Talk about that. That's something that you did 20 years. I want to talk about that. Yeah. But I want to talk about just where did you grow up? How did you come to faith? What's your story? Yeah, well, you know, I was born and raised in Midwest, Chicago suburbs, and I became a Christian in high school, actually.

But I had always been an artist. And I was a visual artist at first. And, of course, now I'm a writer and visual artist. But when I was younger, I was a visual artist. And so I always had a deep sensitivity, sometimes an obsession with death. And not in the morose way of suicidal thoughts or anything like that. But as an artist, I was always searching for the meaning of love. life, you know, and I thought like, man, if I could be, how can I get significance in meaning? And my

hero was Michelangelo. And I thought, you know, I would study his works and I go, man, if I could become like a Michelangelo one day, then that would give me significance or meaning. But the reality of death was always haunting me. I had a good friend who was an artist. He did commit suicide. And it just made me think about the fact that, wait a minute, I'm going to be dead. I don't know when I'm going to be dead, but, you know, what? Maybe I live 80 years if I'm lucky. And I started realizing my little puny life, my little puny life on the long timeline of eternity is pretty nothing, you know. And so it made me start to realize what's the meaning of life? What's the real purpose of it? And I had actually, I was raised in a Catholic household, but I started going to a more of a Protestant church, non-denominational.

And they had the arts involved. This was many years ago before it was popular. They did drama. They had youth ministry where they sang rock music and shared the gospel on a very relevant way for the kids. and that really impacted me. And I think the artistic aspect of the presentation of the gospel is what really affected me. And, you know, I basically just, you know, at one point in my exposure to that, I just recognized my need for Christ, my need for forgiveness, my reality of as a sinner. But it wasn't a big emotional thing for me. It was just truth.

I've always kind of lived my life that way is I seek truth. And no matter where it leads, and sometimes it doesn't lead me in places that I am comfortable win. And, but, but I realized this was the truth that, that, that I was separated from my God. And I needed that, that, you know, to come back in a relationship with him. And Christ, of course, through his death and resurrection, provide that means, provided that means. And so I just committed myself kind of, kind of rationally, but it was real. It was real for me. But my point is, is I didn't have big dramatic experiences. And then it was over time then that I started changed from the inside out. And that's when I, that's when I started to, um, uh, be changed,

not from my own attempts, but I think, you know, I started seeing the world differently. I started recognizing things I was doing was, was wrong. And I wasn't a bad guy. Didn't get into drugs or anything like that, but, but I saw the inner sins, you know, that Cs Lewis often talks about, you know, that pride in the heart is far worse than a lot of the external, or, yeah, the lot of the external pride. And so, um, as an artist, though, see, you know, I'm going to college and I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I was struggling because it was hard to, at that time, evangelicalism, you know, it had this sort of dichotomy between the second and was sacred. You know, and I was having a hard time understanding how does my art relate to Christianity

and such? And I discovered Francis Schaefer. Of course, he was still alive at that time. So that dates me. So, but I was reading his works and that transformed my life. And that's where I began to understand better at least and to grow it in how to, understand how my faith relates, not just to my art, but to all of life, all of life, you know. And I know this actually ties in with your book, you know, led it to the American churches of how

Christianity, you know, I learned that it wasn't just the pietistic sort of, you know, prayer, fellowship, Bible study, and church worship. These are all good things, but that's not all there is. It's like the reformers brought in this notion of, you know, you can serve God and worship God washing the dishes. But you can also, you need to do more than just pursue God in your personal life. God's law, his word, applies to all of life, including society, including politics, governance, et cetera. And that began my long journey to where I am today, where I firmly believe that. And in fact, I wanted to tell you, I've read your book and I loved it, led it to American Church. In fact, it was so spot-eye. I was so connecting with it as I read it that I thought, man,

I really get this and I really appreciate it. It's almost as good as if I wrote it. That's a high compliment coming from another writer. I appreciate that, Brian. Well, listen, you and I, we agree violently on a lot of these kinds of things. And it's obvious that, you know, you've given your life over to creating art. And you've written a number of novels. I see behind you there you have the Chronicles of Nephilim.

You've written a series. You've written a number of novels. but the one we're going to talk about today is called cool logic. Wait, wait, I'm going to interrupt you. I'm going to interrupt the master interruptor. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I just want to say the reason why you're kind of wondering,

I've heard of you before because I've been trying to get on your show for years with those other novels, the Bible novels. And you guys consider them, but I never quite got on, but it's okay. I don't hold it against you. I don't know what happened. I can blame my producers for that because, you know, it's so interesting, though, because you're,

you have written a lot of books. You've written screenplays. But I met you over 20 years ago, or 20 years ago, I guess, because of a film called to End All Wars. Talk about that for a minute, because that's a long time ago. It's amazing to me. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a classic. I mean, I still today get many Christians just telling me it's their favorite movie, and it's just amazing. I think it's free on Amazon Prime right now. But, yeah, so that was my first movie when I began my Hollywood career of writing. And it was the true story of allied prisoners of war under the Japanese. And if your audience knows the bridge on the River Kwai, the famous, you know, from the 1950s, our story, turned all wars, was the true story that they didn't tell you, which was really

about the suffering that the prisoners of war actually experienced under the Japanese. But it was a true story because it was about Ernest Gordon and how he was a Christian who, in the midst of their suffering as their lives are becoming meaningless with their endless with their endless repetition of work and, you know, digging ditches and filling them up type of thing or building the railroad so the Japanese could make a pipeline for their supplies, right? They, they, earnest decided he wanted to start a jungle university to give them and hope. In other words, teach them classes and give them hope. And they would have occasional books here and there like a Shakespeare or a Bible or whatever. And they started teaching

these classes and it gave them hope, but then he started teaching the Bible, and it started transforming their lives, and they started to learn what it meant not to just survive, survival of fittest, not just survival of yourself, the individual like the West, but how to love each other, how to love one another. And then lastly, the most ultimate challenge was what does it mean to love your enemy? And to this day, you know, I wrote that based on his novel or his memoirs, and to this day, I felt like I was writing a story that I never owned because I still look at that and go, how can you forgive your enemies? And sometimes, in other words, I could relate to the difficulty that people have in doing that. It's not just, you can't just say, oh, you love your

enemies. You know, it's like, oh, there's so much more when you've been the one who's suffered. And I have great respect for that. And to this day, I'll watch that movie. And I'll cry because it's, and you know this, like 20 years out, whatever you've written is no long. You don't really. feel it's part of you anymore and you're able to see it objectively and you're like wow and it wasn't my story anyway right it was earnest but but it's like wow it just it just impacts your life that way well for people who are interested we're talking about the film to end all wars i wrote a review of it for uh books and culture yes and that review used to be on my website and i just checked yesterday and like some of this stuff has been scrubbed my way so we're going to put it back we're going to

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But we're talking, Brian, about your whole career, writing books, films, and things. And you were just going to say something when we went to the Bromis. Yeah, were you the one that said that it was either you or World Magazine, forgive me, I can't remember, who said that Twin World Wars when it came out, this was like the chariots of fire, chariots of the new generation. That was not me. No, it was World Magazine. Okay. I would not, I would not use a cliche. Okay. I would not use a cliche. I just want to be very clear.

No, I'm pretty sure that was not me. Okay. It was an honor. It was an honor to receive that. That had been my goal, of course, all along. The end of all the war is, yes, is the film we're talking about. One last movie I wanted to say was most recently I've actually written the script for the political satire, My Son Hunter, which I think you may have had the producers on. You want to know something?

Now I remember that when I read that, I was like, whoa, Brian Gaddawa wrote the script for My Son Hunter. I was just in England about two weeks ago. who did I have dinner with Lawrence Fox who played Hunter Biden he was fantastic the film my son Hunter

and I'm friends with with Phelam and Anne who produced it so that's I had forgotten so you've you've continued to write screenplays that is absolutely terrific yeah a lot less now and I moved out of L.A.

because it was just becoming a true dump on every level level, you know, but I still do movies, you know, but I'm focusing more on my novels now, and that's where we've sort of transitioned. And that's why now, in fact, it's funny, the cruel logic, to start with crew logic, it actually began as a screenplay many years ago. And I've been trying to get it made in Hollywood and through independent filmmakers. People love it, but it just hasn't been able to catch.

And I thought, it's about to, I'm just got to get this story out. You know, I got to get this out. So it reminds me, again, we're talking about your brand new novel called Cruel Logic, but it reminds me of, was it Chesterton who had an idea like along these lines and that you, you got this idea originally from him and then you decided let's go whole hog and do it? Well, more specifically, do you remember the name Walter Martin, the famous apologist? He was back in the 60s and 70s. Yeah.

It was, you know, kingdom of the cults and all this. Walter was a rascal. He was great to listen to. He was very entertaining, and he was a Mr. Apologist. Anyway, I remember listening to, you know, years and years ago, I remember listening to him on the Long John Nebel show, which is from the 60s, talking about debating with atheists and stuff. And I got to give credit to him in many ways because he actually,

he was describing how, yeah, he got so frustrated. He was trying to explain to the atheist that you have no foundation for your morality. And it goes, yes, I do. I believe in morality. He goes, no, you don't. he wouldn't listen and he go okay walter goes it's nineteen forty two i'm a german guard with a gun pointed at you give me one reason why i shouldn't kill you and i never forgot that and that's what basically was the the inspiration for me to actually write this interesting okay so let's get to it

you mentioned it briefly uh uh in the last segment beginning the last segment but it's a brilliant idea the novel's called cruel logic so say again what this idea is that forms the this is the story of this brand new novel that you've written. It's amazing. Tell my audience again. So Cruelogic is the story of a brilliant serial killer called the philosopher killer. He's a university professor who's gone rogue, so to speak, right? And he captures university professors and he debates with them. And the topic of the debate is his moral right to kill them. And what's interesting is it's going on in the context of a university. Now, when I first wrote this as a screenplay.

This is a long time ago. And I, you know, the whole woke stuff was not as, as loud in the open as it is, as it is now. Right. So the story now has taken on a new twist with almost like two storylines that appear to be different, but are very integrally linked, because I also deal with the wholeness on campus, whether it's, you know, gender theory and ideology, Marxism, you know, Antifa and student unrest and autonomous zones and all the stuff that's going on with the woke world. I've now incorporated that

into the storyline. And so it's sort of like two stories where there's a psychologist who's trying to help the cop hunt down the killer and the psychologist goes to the college. But at the same time, there's also an evangelical Christian who goes to college for the first time as a freshman and loses his faith. He starts in the process of going woke. It's because I was really, I had, been really sort of, it's been on my heart as I hear about all these Christian deconstruction stories or Christian deconversion stories, you know. But of course, it's always been that way. You know, when I was in college, a lot of Christians will go to college and they learn about evolution. They learn about this or that. And their parents never taught them how to address it and they

lose their faith. So Christians have always lost their faith going to secular universities. However, the wokeness is a unique sort of a thing. And I wanted to sort of capture that struggle, very common and to deal with it on an honest level and also to sort of chart that progress of how Christians are being affected by this wokeness, how they might be, you know, pulled into it. And yet it's very connected to the overall theme of the novel itself. Well, it's fascinating to me that I wrote a book right before I wrote a letter to the American church called Is Atheism Dead? And at the end of the book, I kind of get into this, that there there's no meaning in the world.

There's no good or evil in the world if there is no God. Most people don't know that. They borrow the good stuff they like about a world with God and then they reject God. But basically, and you talk about this in cruel logic, we'll return in a few minutes. But it's an amazing concept. And most people who are atheists or kind of talk about atheism, they don't have the guts to face this. So we'll be right back to force them to face it because it's true. We'll be right back.

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Go to MyPillow.com and use promo code Eric or call 800-978 3057 today. Welcome back talking to Brian Godawa. He's the author of many things, but of a brand new novel called Cruel Logic. Brian, again, it's a brilliant idea. And I guess you said that it's existed for a long time in your head. But finally, you said instead of trying to make it as a movie, I'll write it as a book. And why not? Because that way, if somebody likes it, you can still make it as a movie.

But the story is there. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I know you can appreciate it. this because I'm a Kiper, I'm a Kiperian. You know, you've mentioned Abraham Kuiper and how understanding that Christianity, God himself is Lord over all things. There's nothing that is not which he is Lord over, right? And then you mentioned also the atheist doesn't really have a basis or a foundation, or really any non-Christian, doesn't really have a foundation for morality. Well, here's the thing. I've always,

I mentioned, you know, my love for Walter Martin. So all through the years, you know, Francis Schaefer, Greg Bonson, Cornelius Van Til, I've loved to study apologetics. And I love it. But I also realize that a lot of times it can be very intellectual for people. And it's not for everyone to study deep, right? Well, because I'm that artist and I love storytelling, I like to sort of combine those intelligent ideas into a story, sort of challenge people to think a little bit.

But it's not, you know, like Cruelogic is not a apologetics textbook. but I definitely try to, rather than make all the arguments for the existence of God, I basically make one and I incarnate it through the storytelling. In other words, the process of the heroes fighting the villains and as they go through their own journey, struggling with the villain and realizing where they lack and their understanding or their worldview of life, that's the journey that I'll take the reader on, which allows them to sort of explore these ideas through an existential way through drama.

That's narrative. That's the power of story. And I think that people can connect with ideas sometimes better in a story than just straight. Oh, there's no doubt about it. And I really think that that's, you know, part of the tragedy, what you were sharing earlier that when you first, you know, got serious about God, you noticed this preposterous division that people are only focused on whatever it is, you know, the religious stuff. and they forget that it should be pushed out into every part of the world and into stories,

into movies. And you're talking about that right now. So in this film, the premise is basically that the serial killer confronts people with their own logic and says, based on your own logic, why shouldn't I kill you? And pretty much, it sounds like they don't have an answer for him because based on what they believe, there is no meaning to life. but I'm not going to go any deeply into the serial killers understanding because that's part of the whole story's journey. I will just say that it brings you into places you do not anticipate.

In other words, there's a lot more going on with what his goal is than you may realize. And that's the journey that my psychologist, this is another thing that I think you'll appreciate. So one of my heroes is the psychologist who he's kind of like a, kind of like a Jordan Peterson. He's not Jordan Peterson, but he's in that vein of, you know, he supports Western civilization. He knows mythology and such. And I was all, I've been intrigued by this sort of almost a movement recently of the, the red-pilled people who, John Peterson, Douglas Murray, a lot of guys who are not necessarily Christians, but they, they value and defend Western civilization that is based on Judeo-Christianity and they support it positively.

And, and that's always been an intriguing. thing to me to seek to understand what is that like to be in that kind of realm where you're fighting for something but you don't necessarily have that personal connection and and that was the journey that I was taking my psychologist on as he's helping the you know the cop to track down the killer and of course the killer there's going to be all kinds of connections that you don't know that of course come out later in the end does he turn out to be a born again serial killer like like like a vibrant Christian expressing his faith through serial killing I will just say this, that I do deal with all the cliches that most people do, do, are used to in seeing

in serial killer stories. So there will be some surprises there for sure. Well, I only started reading it this morning. And I have to say it's very, very compelling. But the concept is amazing. I mean, it's a brilliant idea. And I want to just say congratulations on doing this, because we need more of this kind of thing. There's just no doubt about it. And so folks, this is called cruel logic. When did it come out, Brian? It's going to actually it right now it's on pre-order exclusively on Amazon for Kindle. It will be released September 12th. So it's still a lot ways away.

But you can pre-order the Kindle on Amazon. And one word of warning that, you know, I know most of my audience are probably going to be conservatives and Christian or religious types. And be aware that I do deal with evil and language on the university in a very realistic way. I try to, you know, I try not to make it excessive, but I want to show the reality. of the way these kids and university professors think and talk and it is vulgar and it is not for sensitive ears right there's an f bomb in every paragraph folks just kidding um so well look there's a place uh for that kind of thing uh in fiction for adults and but i'm just glad you've you've written this it's called cruel logic um you have written uh a number of books do how many books roughly

have you written how many how many novels roughly oh novels about 20 or so 20 holy cow yeah yeah that's a lot so tell me about the nephalim i'm always fascinated when people talk about the nephaline what do you say the nephalim are what do you think they are yeah okay so you've had michael heiser on your show you know right you remember that's that's a while ago that we talked about that yeah okay several years ago okay so he's he's the scholar who introduced me it was his work that introduced me to uh understanding the nephalim and the watchers and such And, of course, he recently passed away, which is really sad. But in fact, I got to know him so well.

I was on the board of his ministry and such. And so it was, you know, it was as a believer in the Bible, of course, I believe what I read, but I don't always understand it. And sometimes it seems weird. And probably the weirdest passages in the Bible for me had always been Genesis 6, one through four, right? When it says, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and they made it with them and the Nephilim were born to them, right?

and what is all this about, right? So my journey of looking into that was basically rooted in wanting to write a screenplay about Noah. And then I stumbled upon that and studied it and went much more deeper into it. Of course, this was many years ago and then I realized, eventually I found out

as I was developing my script that Darren Aronowski was making his abomination. And so I thought, okay, well, I'm a nobody. He's probably going to get made. So how can I get my story out? And I realized, I got to write a novel. So that's what launched my first novel, which was Noah Prime Evil. And I do believe in the supernatural interpretation that the sons of God are angels, so to speak, divine beings from God's heavenly throne.

And yeah, they mate with human women, which sounds mythological, but mythology is always based on reality. And Nuffling does mean giants. It doesn't mean just warriors. Hold on. We just went way over. We're going to go to a break. Stick around. I want to remind you that this month we're doing a campaign with food for the poor.

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