The Eric Metaxas Show - Bruce Fogerty

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

Bruce Fogerty reminds us about the Easter Cross ministry. More at https://eastercross.org/

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It's a big day. I say that a lot, except I'm always lying. But today I'm telling the truth. Yeah, that's the first time that I'm really exciting. It's refreshing. It's not just showbiz. This is real. I'm excited.

In two days from today, February 8th, our documentary letter to the American Church will be available for everyone to see. I want people to go to letter to the Americanchurch.com today and to sign up. You'll see, folks. There's a trailer there. If you go to letter to the Americanchurch.com, everything is there. The most exciting thing to me is that last night I heard we have 70 churches already signed up for a free screening. Yesterday on this program, I read the names of 38 or 39 or 40 churches that were signed up yesterday,

morning. I read them from a basement in Virginia. And today, I don't have the new, I don't have the list of the new ones, but I am 70 churches already signed up scheduled to go. Letter to the American church.com. You can see the list of those that are, you know, already doing it. But this is going to be updated constantly. So if they're in your area, you can go there. Honestly, I'm hoping, and I am expected to be like 700 at some point. Oh, no, no, no. You know, the list is. going to grow. No, no, no, no. It ought to be in the thousands, but we have just started. Right. And this is exciting. But, I mean, look, by the way, let me say that we have two friends going to be on the program this morning. In hour one, our friend Mary Carmen Englert, have known her

for many years here in New York City. She has a bookout. Kind of an amazing story. So stay tuned for that. In an hour two, my friend Bruce Frogerty, he's talking about his Easter crosses. This is something he has done for many years. He's been on the show before. I get so excited. Sometimes an idea is just brilliant. This is a brilliant idea to share your faith. So Bruce Fogarty is an hour two with the Easter crosses. Tomorrow, we have China.

China Phillips. China. You know, she was in Wilson Phillips. You know, she's the daughter of, I can't think now. You know, the Mamas and Papa's, the whole, you know, she's like, you know, music. Royalty. Royalty.

And she is a very serious Christian. And she's going to be on this program. She's married to a Baldwin, which is crazy. Because I've met, I've met all the Baldwin brothers. No, I've met three of the four Baldwin brothers. And she's married to, I believe, just one of them. Biblically, that's the rule. You can just be married to one Baldwin.

So three of the four, probably Alec, probably Stephen, and then Billy. It's Billy. You have not met the elusive Bert Baldwin. Is that his name? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, Herbert. I have no idea. I don't know. I believe it's Bucking. But anyway, China, China, it's, you know that I was in the White House with Trump. And he was giving some of us a little tour. This is like, how many years ago, seven years ago? Yeah. He's doing his little tour and he says, you see this phone here? He goes, you want to make a call to China? He said that. I was right there. He actually said that. I was right there. He actually said that. I was right there. He actually said, see this phone here? He was right there. He actually said, he was right there. You can make it call it China.

Secure line. Anyway, okay. So a couple of things before we go to our guest. Yes. A couple things. Some of you know there was a contretemte, a brouhaha. Because right here at this desk, I interviewed Benjamin Thomas about his book, Revelation, Riddle, or whatever. Right, right, right.

And in the middle of it, he doesn't believe in pre-trib rapture theology. Now, anybody who doesn't understand with that, is good for you because who cares. It's like it gets, some people get in these weeds, right? I don't have a particular end-time eschatology. I'm not against the idea of pre-trip rapture. Definitely not against it, right? Because half of my friends have that theology. So to me, it might be right, but I haven't like taken a stand. But on the program with Benjamin Thomas, it seemed like I was taking a stand against pre-trip rapture theology, which actually I wasn't, and I have to explain this.

Well, so, Eric, you are a skip-ahead person. So I understood it because I'm your friend and I know, like, where your brain went. But if you were listening to the words that came out of your mouth, you would, and you were a pre-trib person, you would be offended by what you said. I finally listened to it the other day, and I was like, oh, no, that's what I said. So you're a skip-ahead person.

What you were saying in your brain is you're skipping ahead to the, unfortunately. To the possible downside of people with that theology. And that is. And so what I was saying was that there are some people, this is kind of funny, like you have to just be so careful what you say. I know, right, that all of the pastors who are my friends who have this theology are not guilty of saying, oh, what, Jesus is going to come there for we don't have to do anything. I know that they're not. And in fact, some of the pastors like Jack Hibbs and Gary Hamrick, these guys are the model of step up. up and doing what you're supposed to do.

They're the model of it. Jack's going to be on the show in a couple weeks. But I was saying that there are some people where there's a danger where you could basically say, listen, the Lord's coming back soon. He's going to rapture us out of here. And therefore, we don't need to do anything. Yeah, let's go to Taco Bell. And so I said that like an idiot without context.

And a lot of pastors got ticked at me. And I'm such a nice guy. Why would they do that? But seriously, it's so funny because I didn't know. This is a classic case of where you have no idea, like, you know, you're saying something without thinking, not realizing you can offend some people. So I want to apologize to the folks that I offended because I did, I finally watched it and I said, yeah, you know what? If I didn't know me and I heard that, I would be like, what? So, yes, I don't mean to say that anybody who has pre-trition, this is really interneisine theological stuff, but that if you have that, if you have that,

theology that you will be guilty of apprehending it in a way that is going to allow you to be passive? That's not, I don't believe that. I just believe that there are some who do that. But I just thought, let me just say that again, because I know that there's some folks at there who didn't, I put something on Twitter and I mentioned on the show and they probably haven't heard it about it yet, and they still think that I'm taking a stand against pre-trib rapture eschatology, and I'm not.

I want to be very, very, very clear. I am certainly not. So the phrase pit of hell was in reference to sitting on your hands. Not doing anything. Using something as an excuse to not do anything. But that's the same thing about Romans 13, right? That's the scripture. People use Romans 13 to say, oh, therefore, I don't need to push back against the government.

It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. So anyway. Remind me, what's Romans 13 to make it? Oh, I don't know. Romans 13 is, you know, we're supposed to obey the governing authorities. And that's what, you know, Luther spoke about that. And you can over-emphasize certain things and it can push people into a bad reaction in a sense and say that that's like that's all the scripture has to say about. So therefore I'm not supposed to push back against the government.

But that doesn't mean Romans 13 is not biblical. It's in the Bible. It's in the Bible. So you have to be very careful. But, okay, I want to get back to the fun stuff. Last night, I got home from Virginia. And since my mom is with us, we watched. I've never watched it before.

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Check it out. Hey there, folks. I'm very excited to have as my guest, my friend, Bruce Fogarty, all the way from Dallas. Welcome. Great to be here, Eric. You, you know, you came up with an idea called the Easter. cross witness that when I first heard it I thought this is an amazing idea what an amazing idea so tell my audience what the idea is and then I want to kind of find out where this came from and you

know well the idea Eric is that um there's a simple cross you can churches can use as a tool to witness of the greatest event in history the resurrection of our lord that's placed in the yard nothing like a Show and tell, blank side up. Palm Sunday to Easter or before, and then it's turned for the good news, the greatest news in history. Okay, so you put these, let's be clear, you put this cross, the one you're holding here. You put it, people order these, they put it on their lawn. Correct. So during the Easter season before Easter Sunday, you see what?

You see this. Okay, you see just a white cross. Correct. See now, like even that, like there's something mistaken. serious about it. If I'm driving, you know, in a neighborhood and I look and I see a white cross or several white cross, I kind of be like, what's that? What's that? What is that? Why are they there? And that's the primary reason for the cross is that it would start, spark discussions about who Jesus is. Everyone didn't have the gift of evangelism, but everyone can invite people to church

and people say, what's that cross? And that gives, one of the joys of this over the last 20 years are the hundreds and hundreds of people who have called me and said, I've shared the good news of the gospel with my neighbor for the first time. And if you're fortunate enough for hundreds or thousands of crosses go up in your neighborhood, it's a, it's a beautiful thing. So, and then on Easter morning, you flip it around. Good news. He is risen. And show that again, because I want to say, so, so you see a white cross, but then Easter morning, you flip it around, and it says he is risen and it is finished. Correct. So, yeah, okay, so I mean, I've, I've had you on before, and I've raved about this in the past.

I just think it's such an amazing idea. When did you come up with this idea? I came up, and it's God's idea. It's not my idea. I came up with this idea. It started in 1984 when I took my parents to Europe for a trip, and the only place my dad wanted to go was Normandy. And on their anniversary, October 15th, we walked out,

and I saw thousands, over 9,000 crosses on that beach, and a bluebird day. And for 20 years at Easter, I thought, hmm, wouldn't it be interesting if enough crosses could be demarcing the home of a Christ follower in celebration instead of demarcing the grave of a fallen soldier? So I'm slower than Samuel. It took me a lot of whispers, but in 2005, I said,

Lord, if this is your idea, let's go. And I designed a bunch of crosses. The giant Arthur Blessed Cross, a little wheel on it. You had to wheel the front yard. It's a little cross where maybe you're ashamed, but I came up with a size I thought was appropriate that would stay consistent throughout the years

so people can reuse their cross, and it's been a lot of fun. And so practically speaking, what? People just order these, right? People order them, churches order them. The primary, initial prayer, and it still is a prayer, that the crosses will be distributed by churches

backed by prayer. And a thousand of, many thousands of churches have participated. and it gives the church an opportunity for a joint community witness. And the great joy that there's three things that the cross, I pray this witness does, unify, celebrate, and testify. First, Unify. Jesus is coming for a bride, not a harem.

And as you might know, there's supposed to be a harem out there. I think you know a little about Luther. And now we have 35,000 plus denominations. And we need to unify. And that's one thing that Easter cross can do to celebrate the greatest event in history. Christians aren't very good at celebrating for some time reason. We can kind of be a little bit dower. If you only want a great wedding, it's often a Catholic or Jewish wedding, right?

You know, you're right. And again, it's always bad theology. Like people are like, like, well, I shouldn't celebrate. I'm supposed to be dour. No, you know, there's a time to celebrate. and the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, conquering death, if you don't understand that that's to be celebrated, you're missing one of the greatest gifts that God wants to give us.

It's a beautiful thing. And so Easter morning, the idea that everybody would have these crosses out over the week. Now, when would people start? Like when do they put during the Lent? Good, good question. Originally, I hoped they went out Palm Sunday for a week to Easter, turn it around for a week. People like to put them out during the Lenton season, and some people leave their cross-up longer. I'm not the Easter cross-police anymore, you know.

So I can be traveling in some of a remote place in Alaska and seeing Easter cross out in August. Yeah. But the idea, hopefully, that different communities, it's nice. when they mushroom. It's a beautiful thing when boom, you have a thousand crosses mushroom in a community, but it's up to individuals to act as they want, and just get your cross-up. So what I love about this, and I had forgotten this aspect of it, is that obviously people can, I shouldn't have, I should have said the website by now, it's Eastercross.org. So anybody can go to Eastercross.org.

order this and do this. But your idea is that churches would be the ones doing this, that they would buy them and give them to their parishioners and say, this is what we as a church are doing together. Correct. That we in this church are going to be showing our faith by doing this. And that, again, it's a beautiful thing. And to think that churches in a community, can all do it. I mean, it really, this idea of unity is, you know, it's often people over-stress unity. They're kind of like, oh, well, we agree on this, so let's just be unified. And you're like, well, I mean, I can't unify with you if most of the theology is insane. You know, that unity is not unity at all costs, but to unify around the idea that Jesus defeated death.

Correct. Wow. Like it doesn't get bigger than that. No, and we can disagree about a bunch of things, theologically, and we have, as you're well aware. But if you're a Christian, you must believe that Jesus rose from the dead. We can disagree about the sacraments. We can disagree about various doctrines. I tried to go to seminary three times, and the Lord spared the church. And basically, I think the best definition of a Christian is one beggar, showing another beggar, where they found bread. And this also gives practice.

There's an opportunity for $6 across to get every member of their congregation involved in witness. And I don't know that Jesus is going to ask me about someone in Mozambique when I stand before him, but he might ask me about my next door neighbor. And we live in a disjointed world. And again, one of the great joys of this witness has been the hundreds of stories I've heard people tell me that, hey, for the first time, I was able to talk to the person across the street. And that gives me joy. Well, it really is an amazing thing because we live in a world that is so divided and so messed up.

And we're often, on some level, we're given these cues, these cultural cues to shut up about your faith. And I think, wow, that's pretty weird because our faith is supposed to be the greatest news ever available to everybody. This is not like some parochial, like this is the club that I'm part of. and ha ha you can't be a member of the club no no no no the whole idea is i don't deserve this it's a joy you just said it's like i'm a beggar i found food and guess what there's food for you and so sharing our faith um is something that ought to be a joy but a lot of people are almost like well i don't i don't know how to do it or i don't and so this again why i love this idea so much this this is a very easy way simplicity to share

like I believe, I'm a Christian, and I don't just, I'm a Christian like, I'm a sort of a Christian, I celebrate Christmas or so, but I actually believe Jesus rose from the dead, which is kind of, like you said earlier, it's de rigourer to use an ancient French term. If you don't believe Jesus rose from the dead, then what in the world do you believe? Like, you know, how did he, how did he defeat death? Well, you're right. And Paul said it most clearly. If Christ is a risen from the dead, our faith is in vain. Another thing, Eric, it's been interesting, is that, is it, this needs to be backed by prayer. I mean, this is a tool backed by prayer. And when churches come together in prayer, and church communities come together and pray about this before it happens, it's, God answers

prayer. God honors a cross. And if there's one reason, again, this was not my idea. I don't, I don't know what I'm doing really. Jesus said here. If there's one reason I know that this is in the center of the talk is that Satan hates this. Trust me. Okay, when we come back, I want to ask more about that. I'm talking to my friend Bruce Fogany. Eastercross.org is the website. And do not forget, folks, letter to the American Church, by the way, you can buy the book,

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Again, Nutrametics, N-U-T-R-A-M-D-X.com. Nutrametics.com, use the code Eric for 15%. 15% off. Welcome back. I'm talking to my friend Bruce Fogarty about his Easter cross witness. The website is eastercross.org. Well, look, if we don't know that, come on, come on. It ain't you and it ain't me. So, yeah, so what are some of the stories? Because you've been doing this for 20 years. So I'm sure that these Easter crosses are going up all across the United States in various communities. And then there are other people that know nothing about this. But you're, you have been, you know, you're the guy in the middle of it. So you hear these stories.

Well, one of the most interesting stories is how it began in the first place. And again, 20 years thinking about it, got the right-sized cross. Called the churches. I live in Dallas in the University of Highland Park area. Do you have any churches there? Yeah, many churches. But when I first started calling the churches, my 30-second elevator speech, and I knew a lot of the pastors, just this idea of putting a white cross out in your lawn.

It was not catching on. So I told the Lord, if this wasn't your idea, great, we don't need to do it. but I was discouraged, and I went over to Highland Park Presbyterian Church, which is a great church in Dallas, and I was praying in the chapel late and crying out to the Lord, and I walked home, I lived close, and I remember I stopped in this park right by the church and laid my Bible on the ground and laid down and just crying out to the Lord.

And I sensed the presence watching me, and I stood up in about 30 yards, and either side vectored in on me with something. I thought it was a huge black Labrador retriever or something. And as I walked into them, I recognized it wasn't that. It was the other side written against me. Wait a minute. You felt a demonic presence.

Yes, and saw a demonic presence. You saw it? Yes. We don't believe in that on this program, do we? Of course we do. Bruce, I don't know that you've told me this. That is amazing. Because look, if we are doing what God calls us to do,

and if it's going to be effective, there is opposition. Totally, believe me. Yeah. In fact, that's how you know you're over the target. So I walked into themselves for the Jesus,

and I was walking home, I said, hey, if the other side's so interesting this, I must be on for something, even though there's no traction. Lord, just give me a sign. So the next day, I called a church

just outside of the Park City's, Church of the Incarnation. It's a big Episcopal church. And I asked to speak to the rector, who I met once. And the woman, the secretary put me right through, Now, it's hard to get through to the top dog at a big church, right?

She put me through, and I was about 30 seconds of my elevator speech when the rector responded and said, I think that's a grand idea. I'll take a thousand. So I'm— Sounds like a sign to me. Yeah, so I kicked my heels, walked down to church, and said— A thousand. So a week or ten days later, I pulled the budget from a truck up, and the sextant, I like that word. Yeah.

Help me load 20 boxes. I looked 50, and I went in to thank the rector, and I walked into his office, just the, she was escorted in, and he looked at me and said, you're not Bruce Fogarty. And I say, yes, I am. And then it hit me. There's another Bruce Fogarty in town that we often would talk to each other because... In the same town, somebody with the same name as you. Yes, who is a member of his church. And the pastor thought I was at Bruce Fogarty. That's why it was so easy, boom, support the guy. kind of church. And I explained I wasn't. I said, the crosses are here. He said that's fine. So the Lord used that providence to give me encouragement. And if that hadn't happened, I don't know what would have happened, but God is in charge. And from there, the other churches participated. We had about six churches the first year with a little under 6,000 crosses went out, boom. And from there. I get the impression that if you see this,

in a community, a lot of people are going to go, like, hey, what is that? I want, could we do that? What is that? How come they have that up? I mean, I'm a Christian. You know, like, you kind of think like you want to be involved. But a thousand, like, that's obviously a big church. And he was just thinking, like, hey, let's do this up.

That's right. Big church, yes. Yeah. And again, the prayer is distributed by church is backed by prayer. Individuals can get crosses. Yeah. But that's the hope. And again, it's the unity thing.

I love sometimes I'll have a lunch for the local pastors. And again, we disagree about a lot. We agree on the central tenet of the Christian faith. Jesus Christ, risen from the dead. And there's excitement. And it's a simple thing and this beautiful thing. And all I do is pray that the Lord would take this witness where he wants. He's taken it to all 50 states,

I've printed crosses in five different languages, send some to Canada, send some of the Bahamas, send some to Italy. So you can get these churches in Canadian? Yeah, in Canadian. It's tough, though, because in the winter, you know, Canada, it's an early Easter that is white. It's a little tough.

But anyway, I've sent churches to different places. And in honor of my friend, Eric. I did a Christo Anesti. I was going to say, I know that, that because the Greek for Christ has risen is Christos Anesti, to which you say alitosa Nesty, truly he has risen. But you showed that to me. So Greek Orthodox churches, Catholic churches, Lutheran churches,

Pentecostal churches, anybody who believes Jesus rose from the dead bodily. Can I say that on this program? Bodily rose bodily from the dead. But really, it is the central. tenet of our faith. Absolutely. That he rose from the dead. He defeated death on the cross and then rose from the dead.

And it's the most beautiful, powerful thing. And I think, you know, my father just passed. And at the funeral, I just said a few words, but that was part of it, the idea that when you say in Greek Christos Anesti, when you say Christ is written, those are the most powerful words anyone can speak. It is the power of heaven come to earth to discery. destroy death. It is, it's unbelievable. And if you believe it, you need to celebrate it. We'll be right back. I'm talking to bushfogityeastercross.org.

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trampling on death, defeating death. So Bruce Fogarty, you came up with this idea. It's a beautiful idea. I mean, it's beautiful also because it's visual. You can do it. You don't have to be a chatterbox. You can be a quiet person, and you can just say, hey, I'm doing this, we're going to do this.

We're going to put these crosses on our lawns. And you don't only have to put one, right? Some people put more than one. And it's beautiful, it's visually beautiful. But so you travel a lot. You said you've done this, that 50 states, all 50 states are involved in this? Well, church, yeah, people who are individual churches in 50 states have had crosses. And when I travel, I always, I print crosses up my due.

your wife puts up with me in either Spanish or Italian, German. She'd never been to Israel. And so I had some Christoinesci crosses, which I took a box, and I artfully placed them around the country when we're traveling. Our last stop was the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. And I artfully... In Jerusalem. Yes.

And I artfully placed some. My wife says spammed, but that's not right. To use a Jewish word, you've got chutzpah. Because to do, are you kidding? No, no. You carry these with you? Now, these are very light. Yeah, I take a box.

Yeah. And I place them around the church and I'm always curious to what happens. Well, three months later, a good friend of mine called me up and asked me if I wanted to host Theophilus III in Dallas. Theophilus the third? I said, great. Who is that? He says he's the Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem in the Middle East. And I said, sure.

So Theophilus came to Dallas. We had a wonderful time. and I realized in my phone I had pictures of a cross-eyed place in the Church of Holy Sepulcher where he's the head king he's the head guy there and pulled him out and he roared and he said I don't know we didn't know where those came from they're wonderful so anyway so you so you've done this in Israel I love it I love it I hope to go back you know Orthodox gives you a second bite of the apple at Easter you might know that well I know that this year actually Actually, people don't know this because the Orthodox Church uses a different calendar.

And sometimes we have the same Easter. Other times it's a week off or two, three weeks different or whatever. This year, it can be up to five weeks different. And I think this year, it's like five weeks later. I think it's like May 4th or whatever. It's like way. It's April 6, I think. In the east, in the east, right.

Okay. Ours is last Sunday in March, and there's. this week is a week later. It's only a week later? I think it's a week later. You're sure about this? You want to get come to Jerusalem? I think you're wrong. Are you sure? I thought this year that it was like in May or something like that. No, no, no. It's a week later. Well, so, but I mean, I love the idea that you have, I mean, people have to go to the website, Eastercross.org, but the idea that you have these printed up with Christos Anesti. Christos Anesti, again, it's the Greek for Christ has risen. But that's just so cool.

I'm hoping that there are some Orthodox churches listening. saying, we got to do this. Let's do this. And they can email me at info at Eastercross.org. That's a special order. I don't keep a ton of Orthodox things. But the final thing I like to say, Eric, is that one, no one needs the Easter cross witness more than I do.

I need reminded. My favorite story in the New Testament is when Jesus sends a 70 out. They all come back, jumping, you know, for miracles they saw and various activities that the Holy Spirit used them for. And Jesus looked up and said,

this. He said, listen, that's all great guys, but rejoice in this, that your name is written in the book of life. And when I'm thinking correctly, when I get up in the morning, we can click our heels and say, my name is written in the book of life. Use me today. And the Lord wants to use you today out there who's ever thinking, who's ever listening. They want to use you. Jesus said that he has prepared good works for us to walk in after, you know, he said, we're saved by grace through faith. So ask the Lord, if you simply ask the Lord, the Lord, show me what good works you have for me to walk in today, help me to recognize them, be expected. Well, I mean, again, our faith is supposed to be active. We're supposed to live out our faith.

And I think for a lot of people, it can become a passive thing. And this is something that we can do. And I think, like you said, you know, if you do it and you pray and you say, Lord, use this. Because I'm not just doing this to do it. I'm doing this so that God can use this for his eternal purposes as people drive by, as my neighbors see this, that he would use this in their lives. And I think that, you know, people forget that the Lord wants us to live in the miraculous constantly, to be looking for him to be speaking to us, to be using circumstances. And that's actually a joyous adventure. It's a beautiful thing.

And that's the Lord's will for us, that we live in this joyous adventure with him. So that even when bad things happen, we say, okay, Lord, what do you have in this? Show me what you have in this. So it's just beautiful. I guess I like the idea that this is evangelistic. But it's, I mean, it's very, people who don't know you, I know you. You are outrageously clever and witty, and this is a very clever way of sharing your faith. And so I think it's appropriate that the Lord gave the idea to you, because there's just something, there's a wink behind it, you know.

It's not flat-footed. It's very, there's something electric about it. And I look forward to hearing more stories. I imagine you've heard many stories. We're out of time, but maybe you have 30 seconds, you have some idea. One story is interesting. I got a call from a family in, I think it was Orlando. It might have been outside of landing.

And they were calling to thank me that their younger, fourth or fifth grader had been mad and ran away. And he wouldn't gone long, but he, I think it was late afternoon. He left in the morning. He approached a house with the Easter cross out in front of it because he knew they would be friendly. and he went and told me, told him, hey, can you get me back to my parents? Oh, my gosh. I made a mistake. Wasn't that bad at home?

When he saw the cross, he knew. He thought it would be a safe home. That's pretty cool. Oh, my gosh. That's a good one. Well, Bruce, thank you for all this. Thanks for coming on the show. Eastercross.org is the website.

It's exciting stuff. Thank you. God bless you, Eric. And do not forget, folks, Letter to the American Church. By the way, you can buy the book, you can buy a study guide, but the film drops this week. Letter to the American Church.com. Check it out.

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understand what's going on and shift that money to good stuff, it's just huge. It's just absolutely monstrous. It's enormous. It's enormous. and we are seeing fruit from that labor. It's remarkable. It doesn't have to even be trillions of dollars to change things. I've been on the phone, you know, in recent weeks, you know, with investor relations and CFOs and whatnot.

We regularly engage with companies that we invest in or are like to invest in or kind of just speaking biblical truth, the corporate power. And, you know, one of the things we hear is often that, number one, these people have never heard. they tell us they've never heard from a faith-based investor before. They've been doing their job for 20, 30 years. You know, executive major organizations never heard from a faith-based investor. So, number one, they need to hear our voice. Number two, they're thankful to hear it. Even in some of these sort of, you know, woke businesses you think that this don't care,

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I want to tell people, folks, what you do and don't do, you can change the world if you take an interest in this. When I hear that a company like Costco would stop giving money to something like that or Chevron, these are huge, huge companies. And you shop there. your money may be invested there. When we get involved in these things, we can change the world. So I want to say the action point is go to invest.

I'm sorry, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. You'll get a free report that will help you figure this out. And I know, Robert, that you guys will help people if they want to transition to invest in companies that believe in their values. But this is a gigantic thing that we have, I mean, it's to me scandalous when we have power and we don't use that power. It's like when I say, I'm not going to vote. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do that. When you don't do those things, people who don't share your values, who share opposite, who have opposite values,

they're going to prevail. So I just want to say to you, Robert, thank you for taking this on because it is game-changing. Like you said, it's a movement. The more people that do this, it's an amazing thing when we think of the money that is out there, that many people of faith with traditional values have invested in woke companies. Ladies and gentlemen, you've got to do something about it. You've just got to do something about it. This is like a mandate that we've got to live our faith out in every sphere and where

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