The Eric Metaxas Show - Candace Owens (Encore)

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

Candace Owens is back with a new hit podcast "Candace". More at https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/candace/id1750591415

Folks, welcome to the Eric Metaxus show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metals. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy p.m.investments.com. That's legacy p.m. Investments.com. Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show. It's the show featuring Go-Go the Chimp. Nothing like a chimp to liven up the radio show. Easy there. Go-go, go, go. Go-go. No, go, go. Folks, welcome to Hour 2. Yes, it's Hour 2. And I right now have the joyous being with Joel Berry. He's the managing editor of the Babylon B, which is a fake newspaper.

It's not true. It's parody. It's parody, ladies and gentlemen. Okay. Hey, Snopes. It's parody. It's Joe Barry, welcome. Oh, thanks for having me.

It's good to be back. Look. Now, what you said there, that was serious. That was real. That was real. That was genuine excitement and emotion that you, you felt from you right there. You're the managing editor of the Babylon B, but what we're going to talk about right now is something that I've only just heard about. Why don't I let you explain it?

Megan Basham, whom we love, is involved in this, but what is this? What are we talking about right now? Yeah, so this is a new project that I've been working on with Megan Basham, with another pastor friend of mine named Stephen Whitlow. We've been kind of working on this for a little over a year now. And this started with a conversation I had with Stephen about a year ago. He's a local pastor. He's been pastoring a church for about a decade here in Ohio. Excuse me. Hold on a second.

I know Stephen Whitlow. I have spoken at his church. Ladies and gentlemen, he's one of the good guys. He's in Ohio. The big deal, Stephen Whitlow. I didn't know he was involved with this, although now it kind of makes sense to me. But he is absolutely one of the good guys. Obviously, Megan.

and Basham is one of the good guys. So you guys are working on a project called Clear Truth Media. Is that the title? Yes. And so it's going to go live on July 1st. And what it is, is what we did, we collected the best and brightest that we could. It's a collection of writers, podcasters, pastors, teachers, cultural critics, all who have kind of united behind this cause to build something new.

in the Christian media space. And there's a desperate need for it. What kind of happened was a year ago, Stephen and I were talking. We were catching up on what's happened over the last 10 years. And I think a lot of Christians have had similar conversations like, okay, how many of our friends are still Christian? Oh, none of them. Okay.

Remember this pastor that went woke? Remember this magazine that went woke? We've all kind of watched as evangelicalism has just been completely blown up in the last Eight years. We see what... Christianity today. Christianity today went to hell. I hope nobody bothers to Christianity today anymore under the quote-unquote leadership of Russell Moore. Heartbreaking, but true. The gospel coalition has gone very, very wobbly. Their view of my book, Letter to the American Church, is almost comedic.

They basically, they had to say a couple of nice things, but then they got to the main point. I wasn't tough enough on all of the Christian. nationalists trying to take over the American church. That was, that was like, okay, that's like saying to Hitler, like, no, saying to Germans, like, yeah, yeah, Hitler's bad, but what about those Bolsheviks? You're like, Hitler has crushed them. They're in prison. You really want to talk about the Bolshevik, like, they're the problem.

So the Gospel Coalition, when they reviewed my book, and that's when I thought, wow, what happened to the Gospel Coalition? I used to think that they were, you know, on the same page, that they were the kind of Christians that I would agree with, like actual Christians. So is clear truth media, which, you know, in case you didn't know, it's already July. So you're telling me that the website is up, but you're telling me, I guess my question is clear truth media, this is kind of an alternative to the now broken gospel coalition? In a sense, yeah. What happened was during this conversation Stephen and I had, we kind of were asking ourselves, what do Christians who are conservative, who still believe the Bible, who still care about, you know, saving America, what do they have?

There's really nothing for them out there anymore. And what we kind of laughed about was they have the Babylon B. Like American evangelicals, the Babylon B kind of became this de facto hub for Christians who still cared about truth and still believed in standing up against the spirit of the age and the lives of the culture from our media and from politicians. The Babylon B kind of became that new hub of fellowship for so many Christians. And we thought, well, that's kind of funny that the Babylon B ended up being that through our, you know, just telling funny jokes and fake news.

But we feel like we need something more than that. We need something more substantive. We need a place where Christians can go and get good content, good. cultural critique, good Bible studies and sermons that they can trust that they know aren't going to be woke, that they aren't going to be carrying the water for, you know, the regime. And we put a lot of guardrails in place. One of the big things that we're focused on, you know, moving forward is guarding against leftward drift. We don't want to become another gospel coalition.

We don't want to become another Christianity today. And so we have accountability in place. We want to constantly be reevaluating and examining ourselves to make sure, okay, wokeness, okay, wokeness is gone. What is the new lie that we're facing now? You know, what is the new lie that the spirit of the age is telling us? And how do we need to be addressing this? So we want to be nimble.

We want to be, you know, constantly pivoting where we need to, to basically speak clear truth in a culture that's hostile to the truth. Okay, so if you have to sum it up, first of all, the website is cleartruthmedia.com. Yes. Yep. It's very important in future interviews to mention that over and over. Let me give you a little tip. As an old pro, you want to say cleartruthmedia.com, cleartruthmedia.com, folks, check it out, cleartruthmedia.com.

So at cleartruthmedia.com, this is aimed, Joel Berry, you're one of the founders of this. This is aimed at cleartruthmedia.com, yes. ClearTrusmedia.com. They're aimed at Christians who are looking for truth about the issues with regard to the faith and all this stuff that they might have found 10 years ago or 20 years ago. I don't know, whenever they started the gospel coalition. Yes. Yeah, we want Christians to know that they're not alone. And I feel like so many Bible-believing Christians today feel like they're alone because they're gaslit by the media.

They're gaslit by, you know, what we call big. Eva, you know, the evangelical establishment. And we want to provide encouragement and exhortation for the church that, you know, the majority church that still, you know, believes the fundamentals of God's word and believes that it really actually should have an impact in the world today, in how we conduct our politics. We're not, you know, we're not like David French, where we kind of like lock our orthodoxy in a little ivory tower over here. And it doesn't have anything to say about the way we conduct ourselves in the world. We believe in activism.

We believe in being patriotic Americans. We believe that we've been given an incredible birthright through the Christian founding of this nation, that it is our responsibility as Christians, you know, who are called to be salt and light, to protect and fight for. And there are too many Christians, too many evangelicals and leadership are, they find that icky.

They're embarrassed to talk about it. about that. They're embarrassed to speak that way. And we know that most of the church, the layperson is not. And we want to serve those people. We want to give them somewhere to go and a place to fellowship and connect with other believers and hopefully be emboldened. You know, the church, you know, a lot of, honestly, a lot of what clear truth media is, is it's an answer to your book, Eric, the letter to the American church in calling the church to stand up and be bold. I got tired of, you know, going from church to church, I was a pro-life activist for a while.

It was like pulling teeth to get pastors to do any kind of activism in the pro-life movement. They were so skittish and so scared to do it. Well, the church needs to be emboldened. The church needs to start standing up. This is our job as followers of Christ to speak up against injustice, to speak up against evil, to speak truth in the fog of lies that we're all sort. swimming in. And so I think that, you know, the church is primed for that. The church is ready. And we just kind of want to give one more tool for the church to, you know, it'll hopefully

emboldened everybody. I love it. Ladies and gentlemen, Stephen Whitlow, Joel Barry, Megan Basham, three heroes, thrilled that you guys have created this. Go to cleartruthmedia.com. Folks, just check it out, cleartruthmedia.com. It is important that we know what's going on. And let me put in a plug for my new book, Religionless Christianity. where I talk about this stuff, we're in a war. We need to understand what is at stake and how the church has been failing and how we need to be a part of the church,

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We go way back. It's important that we like each other. And actually, it's not important, but it's fun because I like to talk to people that I like. And the problem, though, is with somebody like you, I kind of think, what do we want to talk about? And you're like, well, what do you want to talk about? And I could talk to you about many, many things. So let's talk about many things unapologetically. First of all, headline, you are the host of the Candice Owens podcast.

But I mean... Now it's just the Candace podcast. It's... Oh, is that right? Yeah, Candice Podcasts. But who else would be the host of the Candace podcast? You know, you'd be that person. But I want to talk to you about everything.

First of all, let's talk about your faith. There's a cross behind you. I have always known you to be a woman of faith. You know, sometimes people don't know our stories. What is your story? And I hate that. It's like cliche. What's your story?

But what is your story of coming to faith? Were you raised in the faith? Did your Christian faith become important to you, particularly important at a certain point? I'm always curious about that part of a person's story. Yeah. I think I follow the journey of a lot of people. I'm very grateful that during my formative years, my grandparents were very involved in my life. I lived with my grandparents.

And they were Christians. And when I say Christians, I mean every single morning, me and my sisters and my brother had to study the Bible. That was like breakfast, when I had made breakfast, and we had to study the Bible. And it wasn't, of course, particularly relevant to me at the time when he was asking us Bible questions. We were just trying to win a mug. Like he would make hot chocolate in a mug. And according to which mug you got, it meant how you were being ranked according to your answers. And then I would say that once I got into middle school,

My grandfather was very against secularism, and now I see for good reason. I was quite embarrassed about my grandparents. I was quite embarrassed about having faith. I was quite embarrassed about having studied the Bible. And I did everything to rinse myself of that and very much became a person that went the way of the world. Just trying to be cool. Just trying to be relevant. You kind of have to be like Bible Belt Christians are weird.

And so I followed really much, pretty much that ideology. I would say all through college until in 2013, my grandmother died quite unexpectedly. We really were not expecting her to die. She was always a family matriarch. My grandfather was the patriarch. We thought she was just going into the hospital for a couple of days. And then she never came out. And it was sort of this jarring moment in my life that I would say began my reversion back

to faith, which I guess is that's scripture, right? It's a biblical proverb, but if you raise up a child in the way, they should be raised. In the end, they will return. And I think I was very much that story. And I was quite embarrassed that I felt, or I guess not embarrassed, but ashamed that I wasn't the person. I didn't feel that my grandmother got to see me become the person that she would have wanted me to be. And that shame, I think, is what led me back to the church. And I didn't really know where to begin with that.

And I would say that shortly thereafter, I guess you could say four years thereafter, I was just really surrounded by a lot of evangelicals. I think that it's particularly in America when you're getting involved in politics and you're on the conservative side. There are a lot of evangelical Christians. And I was grateful that they guided my faith in a way that it needed to be guided. and I had a platform and felt comfortable again talking about my faith and talking about my beliefs. And then I would say marrying my husband, I guess, was the next big step. And my husband was raised in the Anglican Church.

And he made a decision after studying theology at Oxford to convert while he was in school to the Catholic faith. And that's a big deal in England. Don't tell you that. It wouldn't be as much of a big of a deal, I think, here in America. but that was not, that was like sit down, have a conversation with your parents. You don't just convert to the Catholic faith in England given the history. And he did. We got married and we were content to be different.

I was quite literally going in different churches, but I got really curious about the Catholic faith and wanted to sort of challenge my prevailing ideas about the Catholic faith. Because of what it was just doing in my husband's life, It just, he just blossomed. He goes to Mass every day. And so he made me curious about the Catholic faith. And I began study.

Things were also happening current events that made me more curious about the Catholic faith. And it led me to my baptism into the Catholic Church. So you're probably not aware that it's a cult. Am I getting that right? You probably didn't, you didn't get that far. Man, we got to talk. Okay. So seriously, folks.

It's so interesting. When you talk about Anglicans in England, that story, I mean, you can go back to Cardinal Newman. It's such an interesting thing when you study the history of the church. And recently, I've gotten to know Calvin Robinson in England, who he's sort of still an Anglican, but he's, anyway, it's fascinating. We probably don't want to get too deep into that right now. But I know that your faith is everything to you and that it informs who you are. Because a lot of people just know you as a political figure. You're somebody that talks about politics. But I think you and I agree that apart from revival, there's no hope.

Like at the heart of everything, we have to have revival. You can't restore America to the founder's vision unless you have enough people understand where all of that came from. And we currently don't have enough people who understand where that came from. But I still want to talk about you and your story. How did you – let's talk about Blexit. Talk about what that is and about your awakening politically just a few years ago, really. Yeah, I always say now that you stumble on little truths before you end up at the truth. And if you start pursuing truth, you will inevitably end up at faith and you realize that that's what's happening.

And so, you know, Blexit was a part of my political journey in waking up to a big truth, right, a big truth that black Americans were being lied to, that black Americans were very much being abused by the system and quite ironically relying on the system to fix their abuses. There was this sort of paradoxical. The government did this to us, but the government will be able to fix everything for us. And the more I started clawing through history, I recognized how much I had been brainwashed it throughout my public schooling. You know, it is my perspective that the public school system in many ways, maybe almost in every way, is indoctrination camps. You know, these are indoctrination camps and their focus, the ultimate thing that they're attacking. You might think it's conservatives. You might think it's Republicans.

You might think it's Donald Trump. It's Jesus Christ. It is faith. It is ultimately, it is about undoing everything, all the biblical teachings, removing those from people's lives through means of secularism. And so when I arrived at Blexit and understanding how much black Americans had been lied to, I had arrived at the destruction of the family unit. And I had arrived at historically understanding what happened with welfareism and was very shocked at how much the school system had lied about why it is that black Americans are suffering so much today.

And of course, it makes sense they would lie because they are the authors. They are the authors of the black American fate, so to speak, of what we're living through in society today. and I wanted to take a bold approach because I was at first very angry about being at first a victim of those lies, believing sort of that liberals and liberalism was the solution and that Republicans and conservatives had always had it backwards. And when I felt strong on my two feet in terms of the history, like ready to go out and to debate these topics, I created an organization behind me, Blacksit, as a vehicle for other Black Americans who were perhaps having the same awakening or who later have a, awakening to know that, first of all, you're not alone because that's the first thing is it's so isolating to be a black conservative if you don't fall in line with the media perspectives of what it means to be a black person.

And it blossomed. And it's blossoming even more. It seems like every day black Americans are starting to wake up all Americans to the media deceptions and are becoming more properly educated in terms of all of the division that we have in society today. And yeah, it's been an amazing organization. but we always talk about faith. That is that is the pinnacle of the Blexic movement is recognizing that at first they removed God.

And as soon as they remove faith, then they attack the second pillar, which is the family. And that is the ultimate goal, which is to isolate the individual, to make the individual believe that they can be their own God and that the government can provide solutions. It is. It's so astonishing to me. I remember when I read many years ago that New York, liberal New York senators, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, had done a report in the mid-60s on the destruction of the black family and how this was going to lead to every kind of evil and how the Democratic Party basically told him, shut up, we're not interested.

And it's an amazing thing because they've stuck with that narrative. And I think right now we're living in a historic moment where just many Americans, not just black Americans, are waking up to the fact that we've been, we have swallowed these lies. We've been part of the problem. But people are waking up. You have led the way in many ways for many people.

When we come back, I want to talk more about that. Folks, I'm talking to Candace Owens. She's the host of the Candace podcast. Don't go away. Hey, it's Mike Rove. from Dirty Jobs, and I've got a movie coming out on June 27th, and it is surprisingly clean. It's called Something to Stand For, and it tells a series of incredible stories you've never heard before about a small group of Americans who built our nation. The film will air in theaters all over the country, but only for a limited time, so don't wait, reserve your tickets today at something to stand for.

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A lot of people have no clue what that is. Help my audience understand what that is. Well, the truth is that it's another way to patronize black Americans. I think this was given by Joe Biden, this holiday, so to speak, first and foremost, because it's a two-prong approach. they're able to further divide Americans along race lines. And also because they wanted to give this sort of fake, off of this fake appeasement, to end the BLM riots that they were the source of, right?

So you rioted, racism's back. It's terrible. George Floyd riots. We were burning down everything. This is all happening because Donald Trump is president and the nation cannot heal while Donald Trump is president, which is the first thing he does when he gets into office Joe Biden is. He's like, well, let's forget all the race stuff.

I know we've been encouraging you to burn down your president. neighborhoods. Don't do that anymore because look, we've got this shiny new holiday for you. So now not only are you going to get a month, but you're going to get Juneteenth, which is to remind you that you are different from the rest of Americans still, but also to remind you that we, the government, cares about you. And so it's just more of the same nonsense that they have been doing forever with black Americans. And you will still find black voices in the media that will pretend that this is it. Now, of course, we can heal because we've been given this day. Now, of course we can heal because we've been given this by the government. And I'm hopeful that people

are seeing it for what it is. And look, another federal holiday, more kids out of school, the last thing we need, especially when you take a look at the literacy rates in America, particularly in Black America and inner cities, less schooling is definitely not going to be a solve for anything. But talk for a minute about what Juneteenth is meant to signify. Well, what they say on paper it's meant to signify is this was actually true black. independence because black people are not supposed to be celebrating the 4th of July because when obviously the 4th of July black Americans didn't truly get their freedom in this country and so it's taking a very literal look at the

Revolutionary War taking a very literal look and saying well when do we think actually things were right and this by the way this could be never-ending right you could say that next what will be up is they're gonna call it gay independence day which it should be coming because they've got a whole month now. So then they're going to say, well, we didn't truly have our independence until we had the right to marry with the Supreme Court decision. So our day is going to be different. And it's never ending when you start looking at looking at it through that lens. It's the celebration, let's face it, and this is why it's evil. It's the celebration of victimism, of victimhood. It's the constant

drumbeat, the 1619 project that will never, ever let go of these things as though we have to somehow wallow in the fact that we were abused or victimized. We can never celebrate in a beautiful way. It always has to have this tinge of bitterness to it. Actually, because I haven't talked to you in a while, you've been really bold, delightfully, gloriously bold, on talking about George Floyd. I was so amazed at that because there's so many people that shrink from,

I mean, there was this clip from a few years ago, Speaker Johnson talking about, oh, it was obviously murder. He says that. And then he says to whoever, whatever, mainstream host was interviewing him, that we must have systemic change. And I thought to myself, what a nightmare and how many Republicans get sucked into this lie,

that somehow this is all legitimate and we need systemic change, whatever that means. But you were really bold in saying what actually happened with George Floyd. Right. And it was in many ways, heard all around the world, 100 million views. And Facebook has never been the same. We're not allowed to go viral like that on Facebook anymore because it disrupted this narrative that they were trying to create. And what upset me the most was just this bizarre martyrdom. Like they were making

it seem as though quite literally people were getting baptized in George Floyd Square, you know, as if he was a Jesus Christ. I hate to say that because it's so blasphemous to even suggest this, but that is very much what the media was doing. They were trying to turn him into this martyr, this icon, and to tell people to baptize themselves in the legend of George Floyd, and it was very much a legend. I mean, this was a person who, at best, and if we're being as understanding as we can, he was complex because he had true drug addiction.

And that is sad. That is sad. That's the most compassion that we can have for the situation is that this should have been a story about drug abuse in America. It should have been a story if you're going to talk about turning against anybody. It should have been big pharma. It should have been against the opioid crisis. This was a fentanyl addict who could not get away from his own addiction. But the truth of the matter is, is he asked, he put on the ground, he was resisting arrest, the police were not hunting him down.

They were called because he was using a counterfeit bill. And he had been in trouble many times in the past and had used that exact same phrase when he was being arrested. Oh, I can't breathe. Oh, I'm scared. I want my mommy, which was a name that he used for his girlfriend. And I was able to do a documentary and slow that down for people to show them how much the media had lied or how much the media had honestly committed a great evil by omission, by not allowing people access to the facts because they wanted to insist upon this narrative

that they knew would spell disunity and anger all throughout the country. There's a fearlessness to you, which I cannot help but admire very much, that you're willing to talk about things or ask questions that other people are afraid to because they're afraid they're going to get attacked. that happened even when you question the narrative on Israel. I mean, it's interesting to me that we live in a culture where you have to be so careful if you say the wrong thing, even in your own tribe, even in people that you'd agree with them and something, but you ask something that you shouldn't ask.

And when we come back, I want to ask you where you got that from, that ability to say, I'm not going to worry about what people are going to say, I'm going to speak the truth. because I know that that's, in the end, going to be helpful. So when we come back, folks, we're talking to Candace Owens about many things. You can find her at the Candace podcast. Don't go away. Welcome back. I'm talking to Candice Owens.

Candice, I want to have you back just talk about, you know, news of the day and stuff. But it's been a while. So I want people kind of to get to know you a little bit more who might not. And you've really just been fearless. There's a fisciness and a fierceness to you. Where does that come from? Were you always that way? Is that something that developed over time?

I was actually always this way. So it's really funny. Even watching old home videos or speaking to my parents and they really hit on that, that I was just kind of one of those kids who was super precocious, super sure of herself and was constantly, like, challenging their arbitrary authorities. So I always say that, you know, parents do this thing where they say, do this because I said so. I was not a kid that responded to because I said so.

I always wanted them to explain. So it wasn't that I was not willing to do it. I just didn't like arbitrary authority. Okay. And now that you have kids, you'll understand you were wrong, but please continue. No, I know. Now that I have kids, I'm always like, let me explain this. I have a son who is exactly like me.

He just does not. He needs to understand why he is doing the thing in order for him to do it. And so I'm sympathetic to him or empathetic to him, rather. But yeah, I was, I just always demanded a better explanation. And I think one thing that probably separates me from most, and I was having this conversation with my sister this morning, actually, is that I am not persuaded by name-calling. So I think the fear that you're talking about

but a lot of people have is being called a name, whether it's racist, sexist, a conspiracy theorist and anti-Semite. And I think part of that, I just don't care. I literally don't care. I'm on my path to truth if you're going to call me a name. In fact, typically when they start calling you a name, but should let you know you're getting a little closer to the truth. I was going to say that's always the case.

It's very easy to just introduce it. a fact that would make the person go, oh, okay, you're wrong. At the moment that you start calling them a name, you're engaging in a leftist tactic, which is meant to go, oh, I don't, you know, I called you a racist, so just stop your pursuit of the George Floyd story. Actually, I'll never forget this. The first time that I noticed it, well, in a certain way, was when some people were questioning whether Obama was born in the United States. Like, this is a very legitimate question. And there seemed to be. be evidence that no, he was actually born in Nigeria. You go, well, that's interesting. That would

actually have some bearing on some stuff. And when people said that's racist, I was like, on what, in what world is that racist? In other words, you might not like it. It might not be true. It might be inconvenient. But to say that's racist, designed to just shut it down. And I thought to myself that, you know, in other words, it's interesting because if you don't know which side you're on, when people behave like that, you pretty quickly pick some. away from those people because you're like that behavior looks bad. It looks like you're hiding something or whatever when people just call you names. But you've been very bold in that.

Probably the most controversial one is the Macron's wife. I saw a clip with you recently. And I mean, some of this stuff is sort of funny. But you kind of think like, look, it's either true or it's not. And if it's true, you know, what, I don't know if you want to talk about this, but I was just fascinated because you talk about something that is crushed by the mainstream media, and it doesn't sound to me like, you know, you're the kind of person that throws stuff around. So, I mean, can you say most people probably aren't even aware of this one.

Yeah, if you're not aware of a story, you should go look into it because it's unbelievable. I mean, I thought the same thing when I saw a headline, and basically I saw a headline in the Daily Mail, and they were like Emmanuel Macron is speaking out on, you know, telling people to leave his wife alone and that she's not a man. And that's just a weird, objectively weird headline. and I went to go read the article. Okay, so wait, wait, sorry. So that is wife.

So Emmanuel Macron, who's the head of France, is married to a woman who's like 30 years older than he is or something like that. Like he was a student. He was a student when she was like a teacher. So she's like double his age. It's certainly odd. But then you read that some people are claiming, again, this sounds unbelievable, that actually she is a man.

Yeah. Okay. And it is a very credible claim. I mean, anybody telling you otherwise, they're doing the same tactics. First, they called the journalists who worked on this story. This wasn't like a Reddit conspiracy theory. This was a three-year investigation done by a team of journalists who locked arms with genealogists and could not find a trace of Brigitte McCrone, who allegedly has three children for the first 30 years of her life. Instead, they found a person

named Jean-Michel Trugnogneau, who Brigitte claims is her brother, who lived for 30 years and then disappeared. So there's no evidence of her brother who she says, oh, that's my brother, and there's no evidence of Brigitte before her brother disappears. And when I say that when I read the six-part piece that was done by these journalists, you cannot read that and think that these claims are not credible. I mean, they have done so much research, and they have not disputed one thing. They just call it transphobic. And while they were working on this piece, and this is the tell for me, Brigitte Macron sent the secret service to intimidate the journalists, took their phones, detained this woman, Natasha Ray, wanted to know everyone who was working on the piece. I mean, why would you do that?

If someone right now is working on a piece that I, Candace Owens, didn't exist for the first 30 years of my life, I would be like, okay, you fool, publish it. So I can dispute this by bringing you my middle school yearbook, my high school yearbook, all of these photos. There's not a single photo of Brigitte McCrone for the first 30 years of her life. And yes, at best, as I have said, this is a story that almost tips into pedophilia because It is a, the true story between them is Emmanuel Macron was a student. He was 14 years old. Brigitte was 40 years old and fell in love with her student while she alleges that, you know,

she was married to someone else and had three kids. So there is so much to that story. And the French people were just so happy that I spoke about it because they have been being gaslit for years as the McCrones are suing the journalists now for invasion of privacy. It's like, if this is a conspiracy, theory, just present one photo of yourself in the first 30 years of your life or go for a walk with your brother who you are alleging that you are not. I mean, this is such an easy thing to debunk that it's just, it's ridiculous that it's gotten this far. Wow. It's like, yeah, it's like,

okay, uh, if you're not Superman, then, uh, you know, get Superman and Clark Kent and let's see the two you together. Come on. Uh, uh, we can't. Uh, we can't talk about that. But I mean, honestly, that is so bizarre. But leave it to you to kind of dig into this and then to be, I mean, were you on, it was Pierce Morgan, I think, was the clip. Well, he's coming at you with fire and you're like, well, well, you know, I'm, I don't remember what else you were talking about on that show, but that was so interesting that he was just so combative with you. Well, Pierce understands and one of the things I'm really interested in I'm compelled by psychology and understanding that a lot of these media tactics, the CIA has experimented

on how you will react. They know that if you keep saying to someone, you're crazy, this is a conspiracy theory that most people will go, okay, I don't want to be called that. Pierce Morgan admitted that he did not look at the journalists, articles, he did not go to a primary source. He was just saying the concept is ridiculous. Why is it ridiculous? We live in a time where people are transgendered. So why is this so far from beyond the realm that you immediately defend the state, and which is what I called them out. I said, you have defended the state on COVID. You were wrong. Oh, oh, oh. You defended the state on VLM. Let's go to a quick break. We'll be right back. Final comments. Excited. I'm talking to Candice. Owens, don't go away.

Welcome back talking to Candice. Candice, I want to talk to you about, you know, the news of the day next time we can get you back in here. But let's just start a little bit. You were just touching on all of these narratives that have been pushed down our throats. I mean, you go way back to the narrative that, you know, the Democratic Party is great for black people. Why? To where we are today, that the vaccine is great, get the vaccine. COVID was not created in a lab. The election was not stolen. Shut up. We can't talk about that. We have been living through real history in this country, where people over and over and over again are waking up and saying, the world that I lived in, I bought a lot of lies. And it's a little traumatic to process that and to think, where do I go from here?

Well, what gives you hope, in a sense, in America? Because this has been a traumatic few years for a lot of people to try to process what this country has become, what these institutions. We used to have, you know, journalists used to behave like journalists, doctors used to behave like doctors. Something has happened. We're in, I would say, and I think you'd agree, ultimately it's a spiritual crisis. That's exactly right. And I think that actually is what gives me hope because you realize it's not left versus right. Republican versus Democrat, it's goodness versus evil.

And if you are on the side of goodness and you have faith and you believe in God, then you should rest assured that we win in the end. And I'm so tremendously happy that the scales are falling from people's eyes. And I know that that moment can make you feel like you're going through cognitive dissonance. You realize everything that you've been told is a lie. The media is a part of the state and they're lying to you perpetually to get you to comply with what the state's incentives are. But that's the beginning of you really getting closer to truth.

Right? And so for me, every day, I just go, thank goodness, that I am not subjected to that, that I don't believe the media when they call this a conspiracy theory. Thank goodness, I don't have to listen to any of that nonsense anymore. Look, what I want to say, the bottom line is I tell my listeners, trust your gut, okay? Your gut is actually, that's God-given, right? So everything else, all of the nonsense is them trying to override what you may innately know to be true. They're constantly trying to override that and to pollute your mind over and over again by saying, things that are ridiculous until they become true. And to remain happy and positive and focused because we're Christians, right? In the end, we win. That is so beautiful. We've just got a minute left. Let me ask you a really plebeian question. Do you think Biden will be the nominee in November, or do you think the Democrats realize there's no way he can win and they're going to

kind of switch him with someone? I think they always believe there's a way that he can win because I think that they've been engineering elections for a long time. So be concerned when they're talking about the new bird flu pandemic that they're starting to float right now. And so I'm paying attention to what tricks they're going to get up to because they got up to a lot of tricks in 2020. Look, I don't think they mind that he's completely senile and that he's obviously going

through, I would say, quite an advanced stage of dementia right now. because that's what they want. They want a shell. Obviously, he's not the person that's in control. We have the person that's calling the shots. They want somebody that they can just walk all over, and that's what he's been. So if they can get him over the finish line,

they could care less. They'll keep him away from the press as they have done. Well, that alone, obviously, is unconstitutional. And that's what bothers me is that people say, well, he's clearly unfit. And I'm thinking, what are you talking about? If he's fit, he's evil. If he's unfit, there are people around him who are evil.

They're doing evil things. And the idea that he hasn't really been president from day one, that you have obviously a group of people around him running things, is fundamentally unconstitutional. So even if he hadn't stolen the election, which he did, you cannot have somebody pretending to be the president when there are other people actually doing what the executive branch does. So we're living through crazy times.

Candace Owens, thank you for being a voice of hope and truth and fire in the midst of the looniness. Can't wait to talk to you again, hopefully in person. God bless you. God bless you as well. It's so great to be with you.