The Eric Metaxas Show - Carie Gress

Episode Date: August 8, 2023

Eric talks with author Carie Gress about her book "The End Of Woman"

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We're talking about his work as an artist, as a novelist, his screenwriter. His new book is called Cruel Logic. But we were just talking about his book Chronicles of the Nephilim. And we were speculating, or at least I was asking you, Brian, who the Nephilim are. And you were saying that there's a line that runs all through scripture about the Nephilim. Talk about that a little bit because this is one of these things. of which I find myself ignorant. Sure.

You know, you want me to talk about the angels first? Well, I guess we should start by repeating that in Genesis 6. It refers to these mysterious creatures. Sons of God. The sons of God, who seem to be the spawn of angels and human beings. I really don't get that. That makes sense to me. But I don't, yeah, I'm not sure that I'm not sure that

understand that. That's fair. So first of all, the two terms are different. Sons of God, mate with the daughters of men, and Nephilim are born to them. So sons of God, you do a Bible study on that. It's a technical term. It actually is a technical term that repeats throughout the Old Testament. You can find it in Job, right? The sons of God came around God's throne and et cetera. And so it does, it's basically a term that refers to the angelic divine beings that surround God's throne, worship him in him, etc. And it says that some of them, you know, came down from heaven, made it with the daughters of men, and the Nephilim were born to them. The word Nephilim basically means giants. Now, there are some people that say, no, Nephline

means fallen ones in Hebrew, but Aramaic, it needs giants. And ultimately, if you do another word study on Nephlein where it occurs only twice in the Bible, you'll see it clearly does refer to giants. And so the point here is, somehow giants are born to them because of this mating. And with people say, well, how can angels have sex with women? I agree. It's weird. but think about it. Angels are not purely spiritual beings. They actually have heavenly flesh. They come and they visit Abraham and they eat food, right?

In Jude, Jude says that the sin of the angels, right? Which they were put in tartars, Peter says, right? He's referring to this sin in Genesis 6. And then he says, and just likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah, they went after strange flesh. Now, it wasn't just that the men were wanting to do homosexual sex. It's that they were after strange flesh, which is heavenly flesh. So biblically speaking, angels have a kind of flesh. I call it interdimensional, right?

They're not pure spiritual beings. They can be physically interactive in our environment, but also they can be before God's throne, right? Something we can't do. Whereas demons are more the pure spirits just looking for bodies to inhabit, right? So that's sort of the setup for all that. But, you know, it would take us a while to trace that thread throughout scriptures. But let me just say generally, it's not just this strange, weird anomaly. And Goliath is not the only giant mentioned in the Old Testament.

There are a lot of them that are mentioned. Joshua is hunting them down and killing them. And then in the time of David, and we see in Chronicles and Samuel, we actually have five actual named giants hunting David. what is going on here right i don't remember that yeah yeah giants hunting david yes yes um there are uh i don't have it with me is it goliath's brothers well people say they're goliath's brothers but the passage it talks about it's um referred to as descendants of the giants in english but in hebrew it's yelid harafa and these are these stories in chronicles and in samuel it talks about these various warriors who are giants trying to kill David. And it says David's warrior,

mighty men, kill them instead, right? And there's five different ones of them. One of them is Lami, who is Goliath's brother. And there's others. There's an Egyptian that's like seven and a half feet tall. So when we say giants in the Bible, it's not this, you know, Hollywood fantasy of 20 foot tall giants. It's basically very tall men like basketball players, you know. that's one of the big misnomer's that people misunderstand when they hear giants it sounds like fantasy fairy tale stuff but no they're just saying very tall men that were very mighty you know and so the um i i think what's going on there is if you read numbers 13 32 through 33 when the spies come back uh with the bad report right and they say we saw the anachim there sons of anic and they

come from the Nephilim. And the only word, and it says that they were tall and great and mighty and all this, but it says they were tall of stature. And the only other place that word Nephilim is used is in Genesis. And I think there's a distinct reason why the writer of Joshua, most likely Moses, is making that connection. He's saying that these monster beings that we are supposed to wipe out in the promised land are connected to those giants before the flood that God wiped out.

which makes them the unholy seed that they're wiping out to cleanse the land for God's people to be there. So the Holy Wars of Joshua, people misunderstand them. They think that if it's supposed to kill everybody in Canaan, no, he wasn't. There's only specific clans and specific tribes that had these giants in them. It's so fascinating. You've obviously thought about this a little bit, and most of us have not. So it's just a fascinating kind of bizarre aspect to the scripture, because most of scripture, I mean, there's a lot of mystery there, but I feel like I can get my head around it. This is like one of those things you think, man,

I wish I had more information, very hard to understand. Now, does Andre the giant figure into any of this, or is he not a biblical giant? Yeah, I don't think he's the Nephleen. Look, there's there, I will be Canadian. That's a little different. That's true, yeah. There are not what I call nephleen nuts.

So there's a lot of people out there on the, internet who are really into this stuff, but they go beyond the Bible and they're saying, oh, the Nephlema are here today and, you know, in the DNA and all the stuff. And I don't think that the Bible argues for that. And they're, you know, the end times, Nephleam are going to come back. I think that that's the goofy stuff that takes it beyond what the Bible is talking about. There's always somebody who's going to take it way past wherever it could go. I want to get back to your new novel, Cruel Logic, because this is something, as I was saying, when I wrote my book is atheism dead. I was really amazed at how clear it is that if you do not know God or or

posit the idea of a God, then morality goes away, beauty goes away, meaning goes away. And there are tons of people who they're not making that logical connection. They're basically saying, no, no, I can have meaning. I don't believe in God, but I believe in morality. But they're not making the connection, which your protagonist, this evil figure in your book Cruelogic, is forcing people to make that you, you, you, you pretend that you have a source for meaning or for your morality, but based on what you believe, there is no source of meaning or morality. Therefore, it's not wrong for me on any level to murder you right now. Yeah, yeah, because basically the, like you said, people who say, oh, I have a source for meaning, I have a source for beauty, et cetera.

But if you think through what they're saying, all non-Christian beliefs or worldviews reduced to absurdity or arbitrariness or power. So, you know, someone might say, well, no, no, I believe that there's good and evil. Oh, okay. So if there's no God, then where do you get this good and evil? Well, society shows us what's good and evil. Oh, so if a society believed it was okay to kill Jews, then it's okay to kill Jews? No, no, that's not the case, right?

So society doesn't determine it. Good. How are you? I've actually talked to people who have said, like I said, so is Hitler evil? And they said, well, something like they're trying to make it sound relative. And they're making it like, well, he was evil for that time or he was evil for that. You know, they don't have the ability. I mean, these are the smarter people who recognize that I can't say evil based on what I believe. So I have to try to surround it with something.

But of course it becomes meaningless. But anyway, your new book is called Cruel Logic. We're at a time, but I hope people will get a copy of Cruel Logic. You can pre-order it now or it'll be out as an actual book very, very soon. Brian Gadawa, congratulations. And we've got to have you back. Good to see you again. Thanks, Harry.

Before we go, coming up in our next segment for the rest of the hour, Carrie Gress has a new book called The End of Woman, How Smashing the Patriarchy Has Destroyed. We're doing a campaign for Food for the Poor. People who listen to this program know that we partner with Food for the Poor. They are total heroes. Food for the Poor steps up because there is always, there are always hurricanes flooding other natural disasters at this time of year.

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background? Because there's no doubt in my mind that what you're proposing is true. But how do you come to be writing about this sort of thing? Yeah. Well, I'm a mother. I have five children. I have a doctorate and philosophy from Catholic University of America. I've written, this is my 10th book, actually, and I wrote a book called The Anti-American Exposed, which was really obviously a Catholic book. And that was about five years ago. And in that book, I researched at the feminist movement back to the 1960s. And I thought, you know what?

There's a lot more behind that. A lot of people have asked me about it. I should just look into this and really see what's there. And I think also I'm obviously concerned, you know, so many people are about, what we're seeing with the trans movement and just what's happening in the culture today. So, you know, that big question, Matt Walsh's question, you know, what is a woman? Why can't we answer this? I think these are the things that really, you know, were just in my rolling around in my head,

like how do we solve this problem? How do we answer this? How do this happen? So I just went back to the beginning of first way feminism. And that's really where I, you know, to my great shock, I found really the threads, the, the three threads of feminism that got the whole movement rolling and that we see from the very beginning all the way to the movement with the trans movement. So the question the early feminists were asking was not how do we help women as women, but how do we help women become more like men?

And so we just see this churning in all these different movements throughout. So it was a bad, question and it was a bad, I mean, I've talked about this with other people on this program, but there's no doubt you're probably familiar with the late, Alice von Hildebrand, who was, I mean, I interviewed her for Socrates in the city and had her on this program many times, but she was a voice on this for decades and saying that she is the dedicated enemy of feminism because she is an advocate of femininity. God's idea of femininity is at war with the feminist idea of what it is to be a woman. because as you just said, the basis for all this was in a sense to throw out the idea of femininity that women ought to be more like men. What a bizarre thing to call yourself a feminist and in a sense to be anti-woman. But that's precisely, so you're saying that's where they started with what's called

first wave feminism. Yeah. Yeah. And actually, there were three things I was able to sort of extract out of the first wave and see. Actually, curiously, a lot of it was created by Percy Shelley, who was the son-in-law of Stonecraft. Mary Wallstonecraft is typically referred to as the grand, the godmother feminism, even though the word obviously feminism wasn't used at that point. But her son-in-law, whom they never met because she, Walsstonecraft died in childbirth with delivering Mary Godwin, later Mary Godwin, Shelley. But, you know, while Mary Shelley, who's writing this book about Frankenstein is writing, her husband, Percy, is writing all this poetry. And in his poetry, he has this woman called Synthna and or Sithna, sorry, Sithna.

And Sithna is this fictional character unlike any other woman in all of literature. She had no connection with a husband. She had no children, parents. Her only relationship was really with Satan, actually. So what? Yeah. Her only relationship was with Satan. Okay.

First of all, just to clarify, we're talking about 200 years ago. The Roots of Feminism. in Mary Wallstonecraft, who gave birth to Mary, who became Mary Shelley, who wrote Frankenstein, who's married to the poet Percy Bish Shelley. And Percy Bish Shelley was writing about a fictional woman in a poem. And you said that she had a relationship with, I've not heard this.

I have to make sure that I'm not mishearing you. No, no. I'm glad to clarify that. That's exactly right. So that was this character that he created because he was really intent on what he called the Women's Revolution. He wanted to carry forward what he saw his mother-in-law doing. I mean, Walshstonecraft was a big deal back in the day, back when he was around.

And it was a really, in fact, this is why he met Mary Shelley because her father, William Godwin, was a huge romantic thinker. He was on the forefront of, you know, throwing out marriage and monogamy and really into the free love movement. And Mary Wollstonecraft was very much involved in the women's question. So Shelley comes to them kind of as. to Godwin at least as this protege wanting to meet him. And that's when he falls in love with Mary Godwin. And he was already married at that point and had, I think, a second child on the way, his wife, first wife committed suicide. I mean, there's so much awfulness that surrounds Percy Shelley. In fact, that's why he lived most of his life in Italy because he just was banished from all good

society in England. So he's writing this character and really, again, trying to move forward, mother-in-law's work. And he's also rewriting Genesis. I mean, this is an important thing, was going back to the very beginning, trying to see make Eve not the, you know, the fallen woman, but that the serpent actually gave her an opportunity for enlightenment. So there's all these pieces in Shelley that then would move on in the 1800s. And we see a lot of them in Elizabeth Cady Stanton later in the post-Civil War era when she was. writing. So yeah, it's pretty remarkable that that's sort of where it starts. And it just, it is remarkable. We have to be clear because people act like everything was great until the 60s.

Yeah, no. Ladies and gentlemen, in these elite circles, this is trickle down culture. This has been happening. You know, you could go go to the Enlightenment. You could go to the romantic movement, but these things have been churning through and trickling down and trickling down. So it's extraordinary even to think that somebody 200 years ago is an advocate of free love. That is, you know, it's a little bit astonishing when we think about that. Yeah. No, and it was a huge movement. You also have to remember that the Marquis de Saad was writing at this period.

I mean, you have all these sort of cross-pollinating people that are promoting this idea after the French, or during an after the French Revolution. So it's a real time of chaos. And then, of course, you throw into the mix the Civil War. and things were just incredibly messy. And people were really grasping at spiritual straws. And this is where the occult piece becomes so important. Especially Elizabeth Cady Stanton used mediums and was involved in seances.

And a lot of her work was inspired by what the spirit said. And, you know, you just have these really messy. Carrie, this is fascinating because I didn't know that. Yeah, no one knows. I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. And so your book is, it's not just a fascinating thesis, but it seems to me vitally important that we understand where these things come from. What you just said, you know, when we're talking about the French Revolution, folks, over 200 years ago, this was an openly anti-God movement.

We need to be clear about that, that this goes back, you know, over 200 years and that as we're saying, it sort of filters through. but I didn't know that piece that as it goes through the 19th century, that folks like Elizabeth Cady Stanton were in fact dabbling, as the word is always used, dabbling in the occult. Yeah, no, and that was a really major piece and actually ended up becoming kind of part of the downfall of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and really set back the suffrage movement for a long time because she got very involved with a woman who the press called Mrs. Satan,

who had been a medium most of her life. Anyway, the details all get very convoluted, but it's really ugly and very messy. And then at the turn of the century, what happens is feminism then pivots and starts working with communism. So it's really interesting to see, you know, what happened in that century,

in the 1800s and then the 1900s. It's just a complete kind of takeover by the communist mentality. And you also have this major shift in the way women spoke about their children. Back in the 1800s, you could still see some of the feminists speaking really glowingly about the relationship that they had with their children. And then as soon as you get to the 1900s, all the language turns to drudgery, the drudgery of motherhood. So it's pretty amazing

to just step through it and see the ways in which it was, you know, feminism has been tinkering with how we think about ourselves as women and how we think about our children, you know, certainly well over 200 years now. But it's fascinating to me. me in that, you know, this is the nature of lies. It's the nature of the devil. That they will say anything to further whatever agenda is the anti-God agenda. So if that means speaking glowingly of children, you know, they'll temporarily speak glowingly of children, then they'll revert to speaking negatively about children or about marriage or about, you know, it just kind of, it's fascinating to me how evil works and how it's always anti-God,

anti-family, anti-men, anti-women, always, anti-life, anti-human beings. And we just see this cycling, but so fascinating to get this from you. We're going to be right back, folks. We're talking to Carrie Grass, Geras, GERS, brand new book, The End of Woman, How Smashing the Patriarchy Has Destroyed Us. I hope you'll get a copy of The End of Woman. Very important that we understand how all of these things have happened. We'll be right back. Every day we hear about another familiar brand selling out their customers and going woke. Americans are sick and tired of having leftist propaganda jammed into every product they consume. Woke mobile companies are no different.

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How Smashing the Patriarchy Has Destroyed Us. So, Carrie, let's keep going. It's fascinating. You're carrying us through. You said in the 19th century, you know, you have folks like Elizabeth Cady Stanton openly trafficking in the occult. I'd never heard that before. I don't even see the connection really. In other words, how is it that she believed that there was something to be found in the occult that would be a benefit to the women's cause?

Yeah. No, that's a great question. What happened was that she's really, she's in New York State, and this is the whole great awakening that's going on. And these are revivals that oftentimes are really, like, collapsing into seances. and orgies and, you know, they're just really lured things. And so she's, and there also is a group of young girls who had heard about these tables that were doing some tapping, some diabolical wrappings on tables. And she happened to know the family that was involved in that.

So this kind of idea is just sort of in the culture at that point. So she sits down at her spirit table, which is actually at the Smithsonian Museum. in Washington, D.C. And she conjures the spirits to come up with an idea for her woman's movement, for, you know, what to do about that because she was very concerned about it. And so that's really, I think, where a lot of the ideas for Seneca Falls came from. Some of them actually came from the men that she, her husband and friends. She didn't really know what to, what middle class women were concerned about in the culture.

So she had to ask her husbands, what would women be upset about? I mean, there was all these odd realities sort of putting together her vision of womanhood. And then she ends up later on writing this book called the Women's Bible. And it's a compilation of different women, many of whom are involved in Theosophy, which it was a whole other offshoot founded by this Russian noble woman named Madame Blavatsky, I think is how you say her name. And they're very engaged in this. that, you know, it's involved all kinds of things like voodoo and Native American, um,

spirituality and, and Tibetan ideas. And you can see some of those ideas in this women's Bible that she writes. So she was actively working against Christianity at different points, especially later in her. It's interesting to me that you mentioned the, you know, I almost said Albert Finney, Charles Finney and the second, uh, great awakening and how when you have a great religious revival happening, kind of like the Jesus movement, you know, around 1970. You also have this curiosity, spiritual curiosity, that leads people into every satanic direction. And that this is all mixed together somehow. And you also, I guess, you know, you were just referencing seances.

is I just had a guest on, I guess a month or so ago, talking about Lincoln and how Mary Todd Lincoln had seances in the White House. And so this was a big part of 19th century culture that in a way has been forgotten. So I'm just grateful to you for reminding us of this history. Yeah. And I think, too, we have to remember, you know, just how many people died, you know, certainly in the Civil War. People lost their husbands and then children are dying all the time through diseases. And so I think there was this real desire to connect with the spirit world. And that was just preyed upon by this whole movement. And that's really what drove it. And it's interesting to see, too,

we don't have as much information about Susan B. Anthony. She was much more of the mouthpiece. Katie Stanton came up with the ideas and Susan B. Anthony since she was single, she could travel and promote the ideas. But one of her biographers spent four. days burning her papers and letters. So we don't really have a great track, you know, history of what Susan B. Anthony thought about these things herself. But it's interesting to see that, you know, all of the ideas that I got for this book were from people that were not critics of feminism. They were from people that really saw it as an important thing. And these women were way ahead of their time. And so it was interesting to see that that's where it's coming from.

These aren't people that are actively trying to undermine the movement anyway. Yeah. And now, again, your thesis is that feminism has destroyed women. And so how do you see that playing out in the 20th century? You know, when you say that because there's so many women that they have some vague idea that feminism is, it's pro-woman and that's good. But they hardly know how to frame it. Yeah.

No, I think that's a great articulation of how most of us feel about it. that it means that we're sort of pro-woman and that's sort of like this grandmotherly movement that we need to be grateful for. But, you know, I first started digging into this when I realized just how unhappy women are. All the statistics show, you know, things like depression, suicide rates, divorce, STDs. I mean, all of these things are showing that women are not getting happier with the increase of feminism isn't having the effect on women that we one would expect. So that's really the first thing. But when you look at then the connection with the Communist Party, certainly actively in the 40s and 50s, there was this organization called the Congress for American Women. And it was actually founded by, legally by a woman named Bella Dodd, whom I assume you have heard of.

She later left the Communist Party and became a Catholic under the direction of Archbishop Fulton Sheen and wrote a whole book on explaining her involvement in it and just what a trap it was. But she set up this group Congress for American Women, and it was very much a, you know, Soviet propaganda. And it turns out that actually Betty Friedan was involved in it. Are you shocked about that? No. This is so fascinating. And boy, when you mentioned Fulton Sheen, what a hero, what a hero. We'll be right back. We're talking to Carrie Grass. Brand new book, The End of Woman, How Smashing the Patriarchy Has Destroyed Us. Tell me why Relief Factor is so successful at lowering or eliminating pain. I'm often asked that question just the other night. I was asked that question. Well, the owners of Relief Factor tell me they believe our bodies were

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with Soviet communism with Stalin. I mean, it's pretty heavy when we think about the satanic evil of a Joseph Stalin, pretty creepy. Yeah. No, it's incredible. And I think that was, you know, for Dan's book, The Femineminatee sold three million copies within the first few years of its publishing. And it's amazing to see how influence she was by marks and angles.

And in one of her private journals, she wrote something about how women would never be free until they were out of the home. And this is a very clear theme in her book. She calls the home the comfortable concentration camp, which is always just amazing to me, having been to concentration camps, that she could call it that. But that was her mission was to get women out of the home. And that was really sort of the first piece was to help, was to make women think like Marxists, make them think that their career was the most important thing and that their children and their husbands were actually obstacles to their happiness. That was really the mission of the Communist Party.

And she embraced it and did an amazing job of really couching it in very compelling psychological language, making women feel like they're missing out on something, making us feel like we're victims. you know, using all of that language to really make us think that, you know, out of the home is, is where it's at. And that just continued to explode as, you know, you've got people like Kate Millett and Angela Davis then coming on the scene and building on that with ideas from the new left, which automatically make men the oppressors and women the victims. And, you know, it just explodes from there. And abortion has to come right along with that because you can't, we can't. can't be like men. We can't be these, you know, perfect communist women who are really like men without abortion. Abortion is really that the key through which we are able to become that. And of course, now we're seeing it's going even one step further with actually changing our

biological bodies into being much more masculine. We obviously can't ever make them completely unwomanly or un-female, but, you know, the effort to destroy that. that feminine and that aspect of woman is kind of a fait accompli. I mean, it's really what they're doing now. That was the whole mission. Imagine, you know, if you'd written a book decades ago talking about really, really radical feminists mutilating themselves, cutting off their breasts, taking hormones to be like men. It would just be, you know, something that you find in the precinct of crazy fiction.

Yeah. It could never happen. The idea that that is actually happening right now, it's hard to take in that that level. I mean, when you talk about the occult, when you talk about people outlying themselves with Joseph Stalin, I mean, this is, there's no word for it other than evil. We're talking about satanic evil, whether it's going back to Percy Bish, Shelley's poem about this woman who has a relationship with Satan. there's such darkness in it. And it is a spiritual thing. When you're at war with God and you're at war with his creation,

he created us male and female in his image, were meant to reflect his glory in our maleness and femalness. And it's just so interesting that it's gotten this far. And I guess the silence of feminists, of women on the left toward the transgender movement, kind of says it all to me. In other words, if there was any integrity in what they believed,

they would be speaking out against it. And you find very, very few, except maybe from Martina Navratilova, you know, you have very few women speaking against it. Yeah. No, and I think that's exactly right. And really just that the whole challenge is, you know, you see what the project has been from the beginning. And if you look, especially back to the 1960s,

that's when you really begin to realize there's no, more, we're not saying anything positive about what it means to be a woman unless it's within the shadow of being masculine. And so it shouldn't surprise us that young girls are doing, you know, desiring to do this. And Abigail Schreier in her book, irreparable damage has, you know, great point. She says, these girls aren't, they're not trying to be men. They're not like going to the gym and ogling at girls. They just want to be non-women. And that's because we haven't given them anything good to be a woman. about. You know, we haven't explained to them or given them any role models. And the whole

culture has, has pushed them that way through fashion industry, through magazines, through daytime television, through Hollywood, you know, Barbie movies, another perfect example of how this is being used against us to really create this tension of what a woman should be like and their idea versus, you know, like you said, what human nature really is. Yeah. And again, at the heart of it, it's a war against God because he's the one that created us in his image, male and female. And there's something inescapably glorious and beautiful about that. And when you go to war with God, you go to war with all of these ideas. But it's fascinating to me, how it, as you talk about, how it cycles

through history and it keeps taking these different forms, whatever the zeitgeist is. Yeah, you know, it's being willing to kind of tag along with riot on the coattails of the zeitgeist. So if it's occultism in, you know, after the Civil War or communism in the mid-20th century or transgender in this century, it's, it's really fascinating to see how evil works. and particularly on something as important as, you know, who I am in my core. So, I mean, talk for a moment about smashing the patriarchy. Where did that idea come from? How preposterous. Well, that started.

Actually, this is one of the ideas that really did start with Mary Wallstonecraft because, you know, Mary was this incredibly broken woman. She had, her father was a disaster. Her mother was super submissive. I mean, this awful relationship. Her parents were terrible to her. So this is really the model. that she had.

And she also, she was very bitter about the church, about the military, and she wanted to see those things destroyed. And this, she called it this restructuring of society. And that eventually became smashing the patriarchy. But, you know, it's it, and it just kept developing, I think partially, you know, more aggressively in the 1960s and 70s, because if you, you know, feminism has become kind of like a kryptonite to men, like men, you know, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, you know, it's a, it's a always amazing when I bring up, you know, oh, I write on feminism. You know, you can almost hear like

the backup button, you know, the beep, beep, you know, no man wants to be involved in that. Forgive me, before I let you complete this thought, we're going to go to a break. More with Kerry Griss. G-R-E-S. We'll be right back. Talking to Carrie Gress, brand new book from Regnery, the end of woman. You were just making the point about how usually when men hear, you know, even that you are writing about feminism, and they just kind of go, like it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's unpleasant. We at least know it's unpleasant,

even if we can't articulate precisely why. And I think that part of it is because you feel like it's a no-win situation. No matter what you say, you're not going to, it's not, you're going to come out, not going to come out looking good. So I completely understand where, where it comes from. Large, the other piece is that Cape Millett, who was this radical new left activist, also, you know, involved in the feminist movement.

She really broke it down as, you know, we destroy the patriarchy by destroying the family. This destroys the authority of men and creating all of, you know, we promote abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, prostitution, all of these things. She was a huge advocate for that. And we can really see how her ideas have taken rude. And so that smashing the patriarchy, because men don't don't know how to deal with it, because that women have found an efficacious way to silence men. And because they found an efficacious way to destroy the family,

this idea just keeps getting pushed further and further and further and further and being used more and more. I mean, it's in, you know, items you can buy in Target. I mean, it's everywhere. I can't tell you how many times it's used in the new Barbie movie. And we just sort of accept it. And I think a lot of women also have a misperception about it what the patriarchy is. They think it's so toxic masculine, like a bad. bad man. But they don't actually realize that what they're trying to destroy the gifts that men actually

bring to the culture through their strength, through their desire to protect and provide and procreate. And so that seems to be really, they've been incredibly efficacious with it. And so they just keep rolling with it. Well, I mean, again, it's the idea is that we have to have, what is God's idea of a man? Yeah. And what is God's idea of a woman? And if you don't have that, you can see how men without God can be bad and toxic. And women without God can be bad. And it's just fascinating how people go, you know, from from one ditch across the road right into the other ditch. And it's funny. You mentioned also Kate Millett. I'm good friends with her sister. Oh, Mallory. One of the, you know, Mallory, one of the most faithful Catholic Christians I have ever met, one of the dearest souls. She's been on this

program. And when you contrast Mallory, who's this delightful woman of profound Christian faith, with her sister who was deeply bitter and unhappy, I mean, that's part of what's interesting to me is the deep unhappiness, the anger raging in many of these people. They just want to burn everything down. They don't really have a hope for any kind of future. They just know that I hate everything and I want to burn it down. So it really is like a satanic essentially destructive. neelistic project ultimately. Yeah. No, absolutely.

And that's really, I think they're a perfect example of what happens when you do have gotten your life because Mallory had definitely been on the wrong path as one of Kate's followers for a long time.

And then had this huge conversion. And, you know, it's just amazing to see the difference in their lives at this stage. The end of woman is the title. How smashing the patriarchy has destroyed us. The author is Carrie Grass. Carrie, do you have a website? Yeah, carrygress.com and then theology of home.com are the two places where people can find my work.

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