The Eric Metaxas Show - Charles Duke (continued)

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

A special Socrates in the City with former astronaut Charles Duke (continued)

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Here now is the handsome, attractive, striking, gorgeous and quite frankly breathtaking Eric Mott, Texas. So you're in this thing and you have to do a couple of orbits to make your approach and you almost had to abort that. Mattingly had a problem. One hour before we were to land on the moon, we were on the backside of the moon. and he had to change his orbit from a 60 mile on the backside to 60 miles on the front side. And it required a major engine ignition. Well, there was something wrong with the engine. It was shaking the spacecraft to pieces.

So he reported that to John, and John said, don't burn. And when he said that, that means we weren't going to get the land on the next hour. hour. And I don't know whether your heart can sink to the bottom of your boots and zero gravity, but ours dead. And, oh, God, we come this, you know, there's our landing site, eight miles down there, and they're about ready to tell us to come home. So mission control came up to speed, and they started working, the problem. And they came up with an answer on the second revolution around, and the next revolution, the third orbit, we were cleared to land. Manningly made the burn. It all went well. And so now we're cleared to land, and so we started our descent. And it was the last opportunity we had to land

because the moon was slowly rotating underneath us, and we had to fly cross-range to get back to our landing site. And that was the last rev that we could do that with the fuel we had on board. So mission control saved the day. There's a good movie out, a documentary called Mission Control, The Unsung Heroes of Apollo, and it's fantastic. It covers all of the moments that mission control save the day on Apollo. And so we landed and maddingly orbited and we stayed three. and we stayed three days exploring the moon with a little car.

We had the rover. Now, this is so incredible to me. You got to drive. Before we even get to that, so you land. You were the 10th man to walk on the moon. John Young was the 9th. So he gets out, you get out. What is that moment like?

because most of us may not get to experience this. You are stepping down a ladder to stand on the moon. Fortunately, the lunar module pilot didn't have to make a big speech. The commander did the... That's you. Huh? That's you. You're the pilot.

You didn't have to make a speech. I didn't have to make a big speech. That's what you're worried about? No, I wasn't. I didn't have to do that. Oh, all right. Okay. So I was just excited.

I'm coming down the ladder, and I jumped off the moon and bounced around on the moon. And this thought kept coming. I'm on the moon. Wow, golly. And I was just emotionally. But what's incredible is you really were. Yeah. I mean, that's got to be impossible to communicate the idea that you were standing on the moon.

And you dreamt about this and prepared for this, and now you're there. Yeah. Well, it was emotional high, if you will. Your emotions run from all wonder, excitement, adventure. All of those things rolled into one. And I used to say it's like a five-year-old on Christmas morning. The best Christmas you ever had is the feeling, the emotion and the enthusiasm and the excitement you had. But you couldn't stand there and,

you know, rub your visor and say, look at this, look at that. You had a checklist, and you had to stay on time. Yeah. So it was procedure, procedure, procedure, procedure. Okay, so you had, so you land,

and now you've got a ton of work to do. And I didn't realize this, that Armstrong and Aldrin were there 24 hours. You're there three days, and you've got rock collecting to do, and it seems crazy to me that you have, what's it called? It's a vehicle like a dune buggy that unfolds from the side of the lunar module and you get to jump

in the sucker and do donuts on the surface of the moon. Well, I didn't drive. I was the navigator. John Young was the driver and it was a great vehicle. It revolutionized lunar exploration because it would go it would go 100 kilometers but you couldn't drive it that far because if you broke down, you had to walk back. So our limit was about four miles. That's still pretty far on the moon.

We practiced, though, and we figured we could walk back four miles. In those moon boots. You're probably, what, I don't know, 150, 180 pounds, and so you... No, on the moon, I weighed 363 pounds with all my... Well, with the gear. But one-sixth of that, obviously, is what you... So you feel like you weigh 60 pounds. 60 pounds, right.

So the moon, you get used to the moon, you know how you can get to practice so much, you know how to make the suit work for you. And you couldn't bend over at the waist. You couldn't bend a knee like this, like we're sitting here. It's impossible. So you jump into the car and you're like this. And then you pull over a seatbelt and you crank yourself in and it pulls you back into the seat.

So now you're looking forward. And you have a footwell for your feet, and it was fun. And so you got to drive this thing for, well, you got to ride in this thing four kilometers from the lunar module. Yeah. And you are collecting rocks and stuff. You and I were talking about this, the geology. That you, what did you, what did you?

What was your assignment? I mean, the fact is you're up there, and you've got a lot of work to do. You're not just there to land. That's been done before. You're there now to collect samples. We had a traverse that were planned by a team of geologists and physicists and all. And they gave you, at this stop, you had this experiment to do and that experiment to do and collect this kind of rock and that kind of rock.

and take pictures and 500-millimeter lens and all of these kind of things. And so they kept you on target and on time. And so when you got to a spot, you had your checklist, and you just started going through the checklist. But they had a TV camera on the car, and we just turned it on, pointed the antenna at the earth, and then this engineering mission control controlled the camera. And so as they pan it around, they rarely were looking at us.

They were looking at the terrain. And the geologist, and we call it the back room, they would see an object. Hey, look at that rock over there. Guys, go pick up that rock. And so they were telling us which rocks to pick up. And so it was a team effort. And we were stayed on schedule. Mission Control kept us on 40 minutes.

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just like that and bang you're off in a big blast, the flags waving, and you're looking out, you're just going straight up, and it was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. It was controlling itself, but it was very, it's like flying a fighter. full Eloron, bang, you go like this, and it'd go back the other way. And so it was doing that, and you'd listen to the transcript, what a ride, what a ride this is. And you just look out the window when you get a chance and you see the moon receding and you're just climbing out. And it was seven minutes and 15 seconds, I think. Straight up.

No, you go, you start straight up, but then you pitch over. If you go straight up, you could just go straight up and run out of gas and come back down again. So you've got to pitch over and accelerate to like 3,500 miles an hour. And then what amazes me is then you have to dock with your friend who's been going around the moon for three days alone. And that's hard to fathom, especially with the technology from 50 years ago, that you're going to. It's like two BBs meeting in the air. Yeah. Well, our computer in Apollo had 80K memory.

My cell phone has 800,000 times that memory. But there were six programs in that computer, and one of them was a rendezvous program. And with a series of maneuvers, it just brought you right up in front of the command module and you've stationed kept, and you just hold your position. and then he gets in position, and he comes in slowly and docks with a probe and drogue.

And so he locks you up. And the only problem was when we got back in orbit, we tracked in maybe two inches of moon dust, and all this dust now is floating around in the spacecraft. And it was so bad we stayed in our – we were supposed to take our – helmets off, but it was so much dust, we just kept everything buttoned up. And so Mattingly, uh, uh, he opens the hatch and looks in and says, you guys aren't coming in here. And he closes the hatch again. Nothing like a practical joker, quarter of a million miles from home.

So, so a few minutes later, he opens a hatch again and floats us over a vacuum cleaner. And we vacuumed up. It's like a little dust devil, and we vacuum all this moon dust up, and then we tell it on the radio, hey, Ken, we got it cleaned up. He opens that, she looks, it's okay, come on over. You don't have any moon dust in your pockets right now that you'd want to share with us. I don't have any moon dust. That was illegal to keep any.

Yes, I know. So you come home from the moon, and, um, It seems to me, I've had high moments in my life, but not that high. And it seems to me that it would be tough. Reentry, not literal reentry, but metaphorically, that that's got to be tough because you've done something, you know, it's like winning an Oscar, except you realize hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people have won Oscars. Twelve people walked on the moon.

So you are, you know, practically revered as a God. You land and you're the man who's walked on the moon and the accolades that come with that. So what was your life like? I really want to ask Dorothy, but she's not up here right now. What is it like now? Now what are you going to do? Yeah, well, that's a question everybody had.

I was 36 and after Apollo was over, I turned 37. and I climbed to the top of the ladder. How do you top of flight to the moon? And everybody went through this, what am I going to do now? What am I going to do now? And I couldn't find any peace. You know, I tried, I started working.

Well, after Apollo 17, we went to work on that. And then after Apollo was over, what am I going to do? And what's the next challenge, if you will? And so you top at the ladder, and you're at the top of the ladder, you're 37 years old, you know, you've got to do something. And so I think every, all 12 of us, went through that and some stage of the other. And so I worked on a space shuttle for about three years, and that wasn't challenging. So I took nigh off the moon and put them on money.

And surely money is going to give me this satisfaction. challenge. And unfortunately, our marriage was going from bad to worse, and we were steaming towards divorce, and a lot of astronauts were going through divorce, and John Young went through a divorce. Anyway, things were big going downhill, and we were in church, but we weren't, it was a head knowledge about God, you know, a Christian church. And a nice, people, everything like that, but we just didn't have that foundation. And so Dorothy got, by 1975, she's basically on the verge of suicide. And this all is the life. I've tried everything, and my marriage is failing. And this is, it's life so hurtful. Why live any longer? Well,

that was her, that was in October of 1975. And she, we, we, We were in a little Episcopal church in La Port, Texas, and one weekend they had what we call faith alive, and some people came and shared their faith about the power of Jesus to change a life. And so after that weekend was over, unbeknownst to me, Doddy prayed and said, Jesus, I don't know,

she realized she'd tried everything but Jesus. and she prayed that if you're real, God, I give you my life. If you're not, I want to die. And over the next two months, I watched her change from sadness to joy. Amazing change. About this time, we were moving to Houston, I mean from Houston to the San Antonio area, and I was open in a Coors Beer Distributorship, which was very successful. so the money was pouring in.

But I was still miserable. And so after a couple of years, Dottie saw this thing's changed, and she's changed and says, and praying for me, but not beat me over the head with a Bible or anything like that, just loving me and surviving. So she saw the frustration. And so she said,

why don't you pray and ask God, is he wants you in a beer business. So, so I, well, you know, I was a prayer book prayer, you know. I read, and there wasn't any prayer in a prayer book about. And so I said, why don't you pray? Prayer was one sentence. It says, God, if you want Charlie in a beer business,

give him peace. If you don't want him in a beer business, make it so miserable it he sells out. And so. Now, right. Now, at the reception here that we had in this VIP reception, we served moon pies. I want to be very clear. And you grabbed a moon pie and said these have been my favorite thing since I was a kid.

And you also drank a beer. So you didn't decide beer is bad. No. You just decided maybe being in the beer distributor business is not for you. It was an image problem, I think. And so anyway, after that, the misery got worse, but the money got better. So I got a decision to make, you know, do I chase the money or do I chase this internal stalemate, if you will? So I chose to sell out.

And that was in March of 1978. in April, a friend of mine, we lived near San Antonio in a little town. He invited me to a Bible study at T. Barr M. Tennis Ranch. And we went to this Bible study on Friday night all day Sunday and all day Saturday, all day Sunday. And I didn't want to go at first because, man, who studies a Bible all weekend? boring, oh, God, wait. But I went, and it was the story of Jesus from Genesis to Revelations. And I went to Sunday school a lot as a kid, and so as we were going through,

and the revelation of Jesus as the son of God, these scriptures started coming back to me in a way that was, you know, John 316. for God so loved the world he gave his only son. If you believe in him, you'll not perish, but have everlasting life. And the thought occurred to me, that's either true or the biggest lie ever perpetrated against humanity. And I get to decide. We have a free will. Every day, the parallel economy grows bigger and bigger.

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But all pointing to Jesus is the Savior. And I said, Lord, I believe that you are the Savior. And come into my life, I give you my life. and no bells and whistles, no angelic voices up here heard or anything like, but I knew that I knew that I knew it was the truth. And I had peace inside. And as I sold the business, so I began to just read the Bible. And I was looking for another job, but I'd just read the Bible.

And the more I did over the next four months, the more established I became that this is the Word of God. And in our church, we go to a liturgical church. And every Sunday after the scriptures are read, it says, this is the word of God, we say. And so is it the word of God or isn't it the word of God? And I believe it is. And so I've staked my life on that and it's solved my problem with my kids, saw my problem with my wife.

It gave me a generous spirit. He didn't take away the money. In fact, the more you give, the more he gives. I've seen that. And so the peace of God dwells in our hearts now. We still have troubles. We still battle, and we still have all of these things. But the foundation is solid, if you will.

So you never had a problem. being a scientist with faith, that was just not an issue for you. No, it's not, God is the author of science. He's, when people ask me that question, what they're really asking, how do you believe in creation or evolution? That's the debate. Is creation real or is evolution real? And so that's, you know, we go to these conferences,

storm us over and it's been around now 10 years or so. And there'll be Dawkins comes and Hawkins, Stephen Hawkins comes, and all these Nobel Prize winners. And we just debate and talk. And so, and love one another. And one of the biggest atheists in the world is probably, I like him. He's a nice guy. He just doesn't believe.

And so, but the whole debate is over evolution versus creation, I believe. And that's really what they're asking. And you can't prove either one. You cannot write a scientific experiment or a scientific equation. It proves the existence of evolution. Or can you do that for creation? So it's a matter of faith.

what are you going to believe? And I choose, and God spoke to me, when I say spoke to me, not into my ears, but into my heart. As I was reading the creation account, God said, which are you going to believe? This or what they say? Decision. I said, I can't prove it, Lord, but I won't believe you. Well, what interests me also, though, is that you, when people talk about faith, a lot of times, we talk about the intellectual side, but you had an experiential side. In other words, your marriage was failing. You were miserable. Dorothy was miserable. And as a result of this, that changed, which itself is extraordinary. It is. The idea that you could suddenly go from being miserable and hopeless to being full of purpose and joy. And I, I,

I take it your marriage survived. 59 years tomorrow. Everybody always says the first 59 years are the toughest, so I think you're out of the woods. I think you're out of the woods tomorrow. Well, my son Tom's here too, and he and his family follow the Lord. His older brother follows the Lord.

They both came to the Lord about a year after we did. and I was a military drill instructor dad in those days. And God convicted me from Scripture. And I was demanding on them. You know, it's like a military drill instructor dad. And I shamed them in every way else to make them do what I wanted to do. And I was reading in the Proverbs. and the proverb says you have the power of life and death in your tongue.

It's a powerful statement. You can speak life or you can speak death. And it's your decision. And so God spoke to my heart and said, you have cursed your own children. And I don't mean profanity. That's not what the Bible taught when it says curse is, you're stupid.

That's a curse. and so I repented. I was in tears. And I said, God forgive me. And I went to the boys. And Tom was a little boy at the time. Well, maybe 9 or 10, 13 or so. And he looks up, said, that's okay, Dad. And we begin to build our relationship on a godly foundation. It changed our whole family. And now they're raising their kids. the same way, and I haven't cursed them since. I get angry sometimes, but now we've got nine grandchildren. What are we expecting great-granddaughter

in August? And we're blessing us socks off of our grandchildren. Didn't know what time it was with lights were low, oh, oh, I lean back on my radio. I wanted to end on a positive note, and we failed. obviously. This is so wonderful. We're pretty much at a time. Time flies. But Charlie, I just want to say I'm so

honored that you would grace us with your presence, and Dorothy also, on the eve of your 59th wedding anniversary. What you did 50 years ago is something that, without any question, It makes me very proud to be an American. And I remember when you and the other astronauts returned from space, watching the splashdown. And just as a kid with my mom and dad watching this stuff, just having tears in our eyes at what it is possible to accomplish and how meaningful it is and how beautiful it is.

and even 50 years later, most people, if they're familiar with it, they're in awe that human beings were able to do this. But I think I'm a little bit more in awe of the fact that the rest of your story points beyond human accomplishment and that you are so gentle and kind and that you've spent the rest of your life talking about the one. who made the moon and the earth. So since we're out of time, let me simply say thank you for everything you've done and for being with us here.

I want to say to the folks here, we will do more of these events in the fall, probably not with any more astronauts. I'm sorry to tell you that this is it. But I know that we have a patron's dinner and anybody who, has to go to that. We're going to do that. But Charlie, just in closing, let me say thank you so much. May I have a closing statement? You may, sir. Okay. My daddy was born in 1907, four years after the Wright brothers. And he saw me walk on the moon. And he couldn't believe it, that his son walked on the moon. He'd see, think about it. that from the right brothers to the moon in a little over 60 years and and and Tom and his

brother when they were young they didn't think is any big deal the whole the whole neighborhood was going to the moon our next door neighbor was Bill Anders Neil Armstrong lived a block behind us Frank Borman lived in the neighborhood Stu Rooey lived in the neighborhood. John Young lived in the neighborhood. Tom Stafford lived in the neighborhood. I mean, we're all going to the moon, the whole neighborhood. But I tell that in a joking way, but

what's the important part is that we were carrying our kids, if you would envision it as climbing a mountain. my dad climbed a mountain and he could see that next mountain he took me there and I could see up the mountain farther on and I think our kids we have a responsibility to the generations that follow to encourage him and inspire them and to aim high and dream big and if we don't do it nobody's going to do it and so we need to keep a focus, encourage our kids to, as an Air Force model, aim high. And I think that's very important for us. So have at it.

Grandmamas and granddaddy. Thank you so much. Now, I just probably should mention at this point in the program that I'm not here. I'm away on a trip. I've never needed a vacation. before. Since letter to the American Church came out, I've never been more busy, and I think I've said this

recently, I've never in my life felt that I needed a vacation. People would always say, Eric, you need a vacation, I'd be like, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm good. No, you would I noticed it around the office. You'd show up to work, looking a little haggard, you know. And uncontrollable cursing and rages. You know, that's a sign.

Yeah, and showing up to work and just pajamas thinking you were, you know. Right. And mumbling on the streets of Little Italy, calling myself Tony the chin gigante. None of that is even true. Yeah. It's, but it's just been it's been

it's just been a very, very busy season. As people know, I was recently in L.A. filming the documentary for my book letter to the American church. I've been traveling almost every weekend.

It's just been a crazy, crazy time. All good, but it's the first time I've ever felt, you know what? I need a vacation. I need to get far away. Maybe get on a boat. Maybe I'm on a boat right now. And the fact is, I am probably. Or if I'm not on a boat, I'm near a boat.

Or I'm dressed in a boaty fashion, a pretentious boaty fashion, to quote Jordan Peterson. But I just I do want to say that while I'm away We are doing something I think it's kind of important It is simply this We are Running some encore

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Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. Anyway, don't forget, ericmetaxis.com. You might want to follow me on Instagram. You might not, but do so anyway. keep listening. We'll be right back. Folks, this is one of the most important things we talk about

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Robert, we've talked about this before, but the power that we have financially is huge. But the reason things have gone to hell in a handbasket is because most of us don't have a clue that we have this power. We kind of act like it's a separate thing. And I go and I vote every two years or something. But every single day, tons of our money is being used against us because of our investments. So before I let you talk, I want to tell people to go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, where you can fix this. You can find out what's happening with your money, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric.

But Robert Nessly, when did you wake up to this and say, I want to solve this? Because this is as big as it gets. It was about 12 years ago when I was working at Wells Fargo Investment Services. And I just got, you know, kicked in the rear end by discovery that I, here I am president to our local pro-life pregnancy center. And I own three stocks of companies manufacturing abortion drugs. And the Holy Spirit just convicted me on this issue that here I am, you know, fighting to save the lives of these precious unborn. And yet I'm making money every time somebody has an abortion. And then you go down the laundry list of all these other issues, LGBT activism and human trafficking, you know, et cetera, et cetera,

launch us into what we're doing now. And, you know, by God's grace, millions upon millions of Christians. and other conservatives with similar values are waking up to the fact, uncomfortable fact that in your investment account you own and are profiting from things that would make your stomach churn. And not only that, but because of the fund companies that you have your money placed in, those fund companies get to vote for the issues of these companies promote things like we're seeing in the news with Target and others. That's your money at work, but it's at work against you. But it doesn't have to be that way. So that

free report and that there's a way to fix it. It's very easy. Just got to be aware and take some simple steps. And we're putting some free work and reports out for listeners here, Inspiredvisors.com slash Eric, like you mentioned. So people are informed and aware of what they can do to fix this. Because if we don't fix it, if you just sit there blindly going along, like, next you can get it better. It's going to all get worse. And frankly, it's going to be your fault for not doing anything. You know, we've got to do something about it and, you know, let God have the have the, have, the results, but we just can't just sit here and do nothing because that's how we got here in the first place. We've all got to become activists. We've all got to, I think a lot of us just thought like,

well, I'm just going to go along in my life. And, you know, I go to church on Sunday. And, well, folks, there are things you need to do. Please, first of all, this is free. Okay. This is, this is free. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Robert Nettsley, thank you so much. Nefarious. The number one movie at SalemNow.com is available to rent today. Nefarious is like a modern-day screw tape letters ripping back the curtain on evil. Pastor Jack Hibb says the movie captures what is going on today in America. Jim Cavizal, who played Jesus and the Passion of the Christ, loves this movie so much. He watched it three times in just five days and says it's one of the most important films of the last decade. Matt Walsh, the filmmaker behind what is a woman, calls it excellent. Dinesh DeSuzza calls it captivating, suspenseful, and profound Father Martins from The Exorcist Files calls it Excellent. You've probably heard friends talk about Nefarious because it's that good. Sean Patrick Flannery and Jordan Belfy give Oscar-level performances in this movie based on the book by Steve Days. You don't want to miss Nefarious. The movie is the anti-woke antidote to Hollywood. The woke critics hated it, but audiences loved it giving it a 96% approval rating.

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