The Eric Metaxas Show - Charlie Kirk and Lance Wallnau (Encore)

Episode Date: January 11, 2021

Charlie Kirk processes the reality of Joe Biden taking the president's chair in the Oval Office; then, Lance Wallnau looks into the "cosmic conflict" side of yesterday's events. (Encore Presentation)

Folks, welcome to Hour 2 of the Eric Metaxas show. If you were watching this show before you watch Hour 1, there's nothing I can do about it. I'm trying to process what happened. As most people know, I process grief through dance. I just rent a dance studio. I put on the Unit Tart and I express my grief privately. But since this is a program, we're not going to be able to do that. So I thought, let me see if I can bring somebody on who can help me figure out what's cooking right now.

And I thought, hey, what about Charlie Kirk? People said, you'll never get him. His head is so big. He won't talk to anybody at your level. I said, you know what? With God, all things are possible. And Suzanne and I sought the Lord. And anyway, we fell asleep and I woke up and here's Charlie.

Charlie, welcome. What's going on? What's new, man? We're here. I do have, some people say I do have a big head, but for a literally. Literally is fine. Literally is fine. We just did an hour talking to Kevin McCullough and I've been saying a lot about this stuff. There are a lot of questions people have. So let me just throw it to you without much of a question. What are you thinking? Where are we? I think after the certification of the electoral college votes, unfortunately it's all been inevitable that Joe Biden's going to be next president of the United States. I think that anyone tells you anything different is not looking at. any constitutional provisions that can still be done.

I've been really upset, Eric, about some people that have really amassed a massive following, dealing opium. And that is where people just make stuff up. Give me an example. Give me an example. I'll give you a great example that President Trump was in Texas yesterday, that he was there to try to plan some sort of marshal. Let me, before you get into that, I just want to, I want to. to tell you, here's the good news, Charlie. Most people are not like sipping from that straw. You know,

you're so deep into that world. No, no, no, I know there's there's, there are people. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of people, but I'm saying in the scheme of things, like I hadn't even heard about that. So I know that there's that kind of stuff. I'm talking about a bigger level stuff. No, but there's, there's people there are, there are people out there that have amassed massive of followings over the last couple days and weeks and months, just saying that it's, it's certain that Donald Trump is going to serve a second term. And I've always, you know, I've always wanted the process to play out in a constitutional way that hopefully would benefit the president. I mean, I'm a friend of his and I'm an advocate of his. But I also just think that a lot of

people were misled throughout this process. And so at this moment, we're 13 days out. And it looks like Joe Biden's going to become president. Okay, well, then I want to, I want to state this. I haven't said this, but I am definitely, at least partially guilty of what you just said. And other words, this is what I'm trying to process because we all process reality differently, and we all have different people that we give credence and authority to speak and so on and so forth. And for many reasons, it didn't seem possible to me that Biden could win. I would say that part of the equation is that if you're as convinced as you, and I and others were that the election was not legitimate,

then you have to believe that we can uncover the malfeasance and that we can never certify somebody who, in fact, was not elected by the American people. So it's a little confusing is what I'm saying. No, and I wouldn't put you in that category. Eric, you and I sat down about a month ago, and you were very clear about the odds and the probability and that this would take, you know, a supernatural divine intervention.

I wouldn't put you in that category. I was talking about people that were talking about just really, I think, dealing and half truth saying that you don't understand Donald Trump is going to 100% serve a second term. I mean, you and I were hanging around some of those people during that time in early December, and I was trying to tell people, it's not looking good. You know, these states are certifying. They're not even holding hearings in these state legislatures.

So look, where are we? Absent, you know, a God-sized miracle in the next 13 days, I don't know constitutionally how it would work at this point. Go ahead. No, I just want to say I'm really more guilty of that. You don't need to be aware of it. But in other words, I want to confess it in a sense that that is, without any question, at least part of what my thinking was.

And we don't need to focus on that. but I just want to say that this is really complicated. I don't want to get into that too much with you, but let me just ask you a couple of point-blank questions. Do you think, for example, Mike Pence yesterday did the right thing or not? And if he didn't do the right thing, how wrong was it? I called for him to use the power that was vested in him as president of the Senate to at the very least send back those results to the state legislatures.

He could have given a two to three sentence. statement saying in the power vested in me granted by the United States Constitution under as the president of the Senate, I am asking for further clarification if these are truly the set of electors that are sent by the Arizona legislature, the Georgia legislature, and the Pennsylvania legislature because I'm being presented with two dueling sets of electors. And so what really bothered me is that Senator Klobuchar, who was kind of the person who was in charge of reading this off in the evening, she said that these electors are true and authentic. Well, they were presented with two sets of electors. And based on the precedent of 1960 with Richard Nixon, the president of the

Senate can choose a separate set of electors than that which is certified, even absent objections from that of Congress. So look, the vice president of United States, Mike Pence, was under a lot of pressure to do what he did last night. And that's what he ended up doing. I was trying to tell people, though, and this is what frustrated me, Eric. I was like, he's probably not going to do what you want him to do. He's not going to do what I'm calling for him to do. And I was met with people that said, no, you don't understand. He's 100% going to send this back down or count it for Trump.

I say, I don't know who, I know these people. I don't know what kind of line of communication you're in. And so now we're going to deal with a lot of fallout, Eric, of people that are all a sudden probably going to see absent a God-sized miracle. And, you know, I'm holding out for it. You know, that can happen. And I am too. Bible, but I'm just saying constitutionally, he's been chosen by the electoral college and certified

by Congress. The measures are kind of there. I guess I still want to understand, though, with Mike Pence, but you're saying that if you had been in his shoes, you wouldn't have done what he did yesterday. You're saying that he was under tremendous pressure. Who cares, Charlie? Leadership is doing the right thing. So my question is, did he do the right thing? I have to be very careful way I answer this. because I don't know what it's like to be vice president in the United States. I don't know if there are other private. But I'm just, I don't like this Monday morning quarterback of, you know, you, but I will say this.

I don't, I don't think constitutionally he acted with courage or clarity. I don't. And I think that he very well could have sent it back down to the state legislatures or not counted those electors at all. And here's my, here's my other opinion though, Eric. I knew this wasn't going to happen because he said it wasn't going to happen. Right. He's not a guy that's into kind of a surprise and the drama of the moment. And I would have liked to have seen him over Christmas say, look, as the president of the Senate, I'm meeting on January 6th.

I am not going to accept electors from these six states until I get a roll call vote from the state legislatures for you to tell me under Article 2 that these are actually the electors that you want to see. And those meetings never happened, Eric. I just want to be very clear here. that a lot of these certifications happened through Secretary of States that were very Democrat and weak Republicans, specifically in Georgia and some of these other states or in Nevada with a Democrat governor. A lot of these state legislatures were out of session. They were clamoring for the ability to be able to at least hear from these witnesses. And for some people, and this is, by the way, Mark Levine completely agrees with this analysis that it all comes down to the state legislatures. and especially how this election was actually conducted was an unconstitutional election. They were changes in the election law.

So the Pennsylvania Constitution clearly states that mail and balloting must be limited. It must be rare. But the Pennsylvania state legislature passed a law unconstitutionally for just everyone to have a ballot. The Supreme Court didn't hear a lot of this. And so they didn't hear any of it, actually. And that was the main complaint of Senator Josh Hawley. And so you go back to the framers intent, which a lot of these people were hiding behind against their objections, opposing the objections in Congress. They said, the founders never would have wanted this.

Like, no, you don't understand. They gave a lot of power to the state legislatures. The founding fathers are- This is too important. We're going to a hard break. We'll be right back with the end of that sentence. Somebody ringing a bell. Someone's talking at a door.

Somebody's ringing about. do me favor at the Eric Kutakshadoh, talking to Charlie, you were just making it an important point. I want you to continue. Yeah, so the founding fathers gave a lot of power to the state legislatures. Remember, until I think it was the 17th Amendment,

senators were elected by the state legislatures. That's the way that used to get elected. It got into the direct election of senators. State legislatures were involved in how electoral votes were actually be split and divided. And so the founding, They believe that is the true form of citizen grassroots local government. And so I think that Mike Pence very well could have sent it back down to the state legislatures.

Do I think that this last minute kind of kerfuffle getting into that was the right move? No, I mean, a strategic plan should have been launched in early December that the president, if they would have said in early December, hey, when those come to me, unless I have a roll call vote from the state legislatures that are affirming that these are the right electors, I'm not going to count them. Why didn't he do that? I can't comment on that. I don't know. I don't know.

That would be pure speculative. You're saying that it's effectively his job to do that. It would be pure speculation. I know that he was under a lot of pressure from a lot of people to turn the page and keep things as is. If I were to give him the argument of the benefit. What people, when you say that, who in the world are we talking about? Like people that. No, we're just talking about senators, friends of his.

And let me give a benefit of the doubt argument to Mike Pence, one that I do not share and I do not agree with. Because I do consider him a friend and he's been very good to me. And I think he's been very loyal to the president throughout the presidency, which is I think he's afraid constitutionally. This is the best case argument, just so we're clear. And other people can speculate. And I don't like doing that because that's, you know, that's not evidence-based stuff. But this I do have evidence for. I think he's afraid that he might set a precedent that the vice president all of a sudden might be able to end or do something in an election.

Now, I actually have the opposite opinion here. The opposite opinion is you might be right, Vice President Pence. The Supreme Court has never ruled on this, especially since the Electoral Act of 1877. Wouldn't you rather have the Supreme Court rule on you doing this than a future Democrat vice president doing this? Wouldn't that be a better set of circumstances so that we can get clear. from the United States Supreme Court that this is actually, because there's actually some confusion

of what the president of the Senate can do because Thomas Jefferson, 1800, used a lot of unilateral power to put electors in his direction. Richard Nixon did in 1960. So we have some precedent where all of a sudden the vice president, the president of the Senate,

is kind of able to act in an authority of his or potentially her choosing. So wouldn't we want that clarified now when we have a Supreme Court that's constitutionalist in nature. So you kind of left the question open, Eric. Now the question is kind of unanswered, where all of a sudden now,

God forbid one day, you know, Joe Biden and Camilla Harris become president, which looks increasingly likely and looming. Well, let's say we defeat them in 2024. And Camilla Harris is still vice president, which is unlikely because we all probably know exactly what's going to happen from there. Let's say it's a Democrat vice president.

All of a sudden, they're going to say, oh, as the president of the Senate, I can do whatever I want to do. it could have clarified it. It could have showed exactly what the parameters are. And that's what a lot of us were looking for, is at least show us that you are willing to constitutionally fight this thing out at every single measure imaginable.

This is to me a perfect example of how 80 million Americans can vote one way and nonetheless have their will thwart it. So people wonder, hey, how did that happen in Germany? why didn't they speak up, whatever. You know, I really think that this is an example with the mask mandates and this kind of thing of how it's not so simple. It's not so simple because we want to know what can I do. What can I do right now? Who is leading?

Ultimately, Charlie, one thing that I'm learning is that it is about leadership. It is about leadership. You need people to take control of the narrative and to speak into it. in many ways Trump is an absolutely unprecedentedly great leader. In other ways, not, but I think mainly he is. The problem, though, and this often happens when you have a really great leader, you don't have much of a bench. Like there's Trump and then there's, you know, I don't know, Mitch McConnell.

It doesn't seem to me that there have been voices. Maybe he has sucked all the oxygen out of the room and prevented those people. I don't really know, but that's what I'm trying to puzzle out. And I guess I wonder what the president is thinking. again absent a god-sized miracle joe biden is going to become president and i wasn't that blunt about saying this prior to the certification of congress i was holding out the constitutional measures that could have had you know in 1876 elect but you know i just want to be very clear here look we have a good bench we have governor ron desantis we have governor christie nome we have josh holly uh senator ted cruz and i think you're going to see a lot of amazing voices you have the new lieutenant governor

north carolina who's a total superstar um i forget his name but he's also a black guy who's just super conservative, super Christian, really, really great. And so look, new voices are going to emerge. I lived through this. I got my political start in a moment just like this, Eric. And this is something I have to remind people, because what the president did, which is so unbelievably positive, is he brought millions of new people into politics, many of whom that are watching this YouTube.

And they were actually disinterested, uninvolved, or Obama supporters back in 2008. So now me, at 27, I can now play his story. So let me tell you what's about to happen, okay? Sure. When Democrats have unified government, they're going to reach too big. Okay, I'm going to tell you what's going to happen right now. They are going to try to go way, way too big, and they're going to fail with a lot of it. We now have to pinpoint, though, what fights matter most?

Number one, the continuation of the Electoral College. Number two, no more seats on the Supreme Court. Number three, no new states. Number three is the one that we really got to look out for. So if we're smart, we should go ask Joe Manchin right now on the record, do you support adding new states to the union? I have a whole very provocative argument that I think that Joe Manchin should run for Senate Majority Leader and all the Republicans should support him,

therefore not allowing Chuck Schumer becoming Senate Majority Leader. So I'm going to come out with that publicly today. I guess I'm breaking it exclusively, Eric. I did come up with the idea, but it's actually so patent- obvious. But then here's the other thing that's going to happen, Eric, is that we're going to start to get, it's going to get worse before it gets better. They're going to crack down on us like never before. There's going to be a lot of indictments, investigations, de-platforming, censoring, loss of hope. And then things will, then we're going to have to rally and we're going to have to

find some momentum. But for anyone who now says, well, the country is over, it's lost, then go, go to Paris. Okay. I have no time for you right now. Okay. I'm going to fight for every single inch of this country. And if you're all of a sudden going to be these people that, there's a direct connection of the people that were dealing in hopi, like, give me the hopium. And now the people that want nothing to do with it. It's over. It's done. Fine. Go to Brussels. Okay. I want nothing to do with that. We got to fight. No, I, and you, boy, you know, I agree with you. This is the, what I find interesting is that what are our, what are the parameters are fighting going to be going forward? I mean, look, I'll say it again. If this

election was stolen, which we believe it was, that's just huge. It's, it's impossible for me to recognize Biden as the president. In other words, I actually think because of what I have seen, that he becomes technically the president, but we've never, we, if he gets sworn in, we will never in the history of this country have a president with a bigger asterisk next to his name. It's way bigger than the name. That's to me the problem, is trying to figure out how you deal with that. And what happens, Charlie, we just got a minute. What happens if, well, first question, will we be able to uncover the fraud, number one,

number two, if we can uncover it, what are the processes for doing that? And then what would happen if we determine Trump won six months from now? Yeah, there really is no recourse to undo this constitutional certification. You could impeach the vice president, uh, the president. Well, no, we can't because we lost in Georgia. And by the way, we lost in Georgia, by the way, Eric, because of charlatans that told Trump supporters to stay at home. Just so we're clear. If the Trump supporters chose.

You're accusing Lynn would of being a opium seller. No, no, no. Eric, we lost the Senate because of him. No, no, I guess that's what I'm saying in a way is that he, let me ask the question. You brought up his name. I'm just being very, I'm just being very blunt because I don't like personalizing this stuff. But my question is, isn't it true that we didn't lose Georgia?

Isn't it true that that was fraudulent? No? Yeah, there was probably fraud. There are probably machines and all that. But again, we know that there was turnout that didn't exist, Eric. The people did not show up. So, I mean, there were counties where the turnout was low. So you can have the tabulation of votes and not.

But when you have people that have emailed us on our podcast, then they said, hey, I'm a election judge. and on election day, we're a very Republican county, we had this many people turn out, and we only had this many people go through the door. I'm going to trust that, you know, grassroots patriot in Southern Georgia, like whether that stuff was tabulated correct or not,

but I'm just talking about the volume of people that showed up. Yeah, because Trump said we need to swarm them, and, you know, we need to win big. And if you don't win big, you lose. Wow. Charlie, the world is a better place because you're in it, my friend. It's a joy to have you on this program.

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Hey, folks. What a day. You'll notice that I'm wearing a black tie. That's not a coincidence. I'm talking to my friend Lance Wall now. Lance, what are we to make of where we are today? Did the profits get it wrong? What say you, tough guy? Well, you know, the main thing, the big issue here, if you're in Washington and you're on the front lines of this, is this cosmic conflict, Eric, that we're in right now, where you have this peaceful rally, not even a protest. And you have this almost like Disney-like experience going down the main boulevard,

Pennsylvania Avenue, people with flags, waving, saying hi. And then suddenly words coming down from the front that there's breaches into the building, the Capitol. And then you got people coming back with smoke in their eyes. These are intercessors, tears in their eyes because smoke bombs have gone off. And words about shots going on. Then you're looking in the media and you're seeing these pictures of people would draw in guns to keep themselves from the crazy mob outside. And you're saying what city is this? What event is this? What do you think happened? What do you think that's Antifa? What do you think?

I know it's Antifa. So what, in the reason I know it's Antipas, because I was live coming back. I was supposed to do a broadcast with somebody. And I said, these guys, I'm looking at them. I mean, it got guys with tattoos up and down their arm like, you know, peers, their beards. I said, this is not your typical evangelical. I'm telling you right now. And they're banging on the hoods of the police and they're creating a scene. I said, this is the lower. local Antipa mob. And this is like from the playbook 101. They've infiltrated at the very front of our group. They've gone in. And then we start getting pictures. Eric, this is a fact. We get pictures of guys posing inside the Capitol. And we match their faces with their Twitter handle,

which is like Antifa, Philadelphia, Antipa, this. Okay, look, look, because we don't have a lot of time, I'm glad you said this, because this is very, very important. This was Antifa. So this looks to me like, sounds crazy, like a Marxist coup. In other words, it doesn't seem to me like, oh, this was just craziness. It seems to me like this was planned to take the wind out of the sales of all of these legislators who really were faking courage for 10 minutes and then suddenly decided, oh, you know what, because there were some smoke bombs, we're not going to protest a fraudulent election. Where do you think we are as a nation?

And I'll ask it again, do you think people in the prophetic got it wrong? And if it wasn't God speaking in them, who was speaking to them? Oh, okay. So if we go to the, I don't know why we're so interested in if the people in the prophetic got it wrong. It's kind of like. Why wouldn't we be? Why wouldn't we be? Well, because Hitler is on his way to Poland.

And right now they're having a debate in England, get Churchill. And now that the war cabinet is assembled, everyone that was seeing this. scenario wants the scalp of those who were not on the same page. And Churchill goes, put that behind you right now. We've got bigger fish to fry. Let's just say, we've all made mistakes. We're in the middle of the war for our survival. Let's unify. So those folks that, they're going to be there because they're a safe distance removed from the front lines. They're going to go, what about the problems? Any prophet who sees in part or speaks in part has to be awkward about how to describe the fact that they saw something, but it didn't match the reality that they saw.

So there could be people that see, I see Trump, I sense it, I see it, I feel a Trump victory. I see a landslide. I see this, I see that the nation is moving in the direction of the man has been vilified by the media. You would think that he has not got a prayer, but he's actually got a movement behind him. I see him taking America. He's going to be reelected. Now, they're going to be reelected is going to be the extension of what they see happening in America and what they see rising up and voting even. What they didn't see was actually him being inaugurated or him being an office. That was added on based upon a spiritual perception that contrary to what you're hearing in the news and the polling, it's a landslide. Trump is going to go in. And so

prophets have this, the challenge of they see in part, but they have to create as full of picture for people as possible. And sometimes you can get goaded into completing a picture because of the audience. And you yourself are putting faith on the rest of the frame, but you only saw this one part. I have an opposite thing. It's probably because I'm part Jewish. I have a dystopian sense of things. So I'm constantly having to encourage myself. That's why I love the prophets. I hang around with them because I go to the negative. I told my staff two years ago, I'm afraid Kamala Harris is going to be president. It's like the thing I greatly feared come upon me. And they said, Kamala Harris. I see her. That's who I see. Not Trump. We need Trump. And I would get all pushing Trump all the time because I

said the alter. And they go, Harris, then she ended up dropping out of the Senate because she could even make it in the running. They all turned to me and said, you see, you're not always right. I said, oh, I'm relieved actually. And I started wondering, how come I keep seeing Kamala Harris? I'll tell you what, when she was put in as vice president, that's when the hairs in the back of my neck stood up. I put out my last book, Mercedes pulled the pages out where I said, Camilla Harris is what we've got to worry about. She goes, what are you talking about? That's not going to, don't get people destroyed with your neuroses. Trump is what we're all, he's going to win.

And so I pulled it up. And now I'm looking at it. All right, I'm going to tell you, I see that if we don't reorganize our identity, and our group around occupying our local governments more fully, that there's this national weakness. It's almost like you saw it with Bonhoeffer. It's like a political spirit comes over. And I'm talking about the Democratic Party

that creates a paralysis in the courageous and a deception in the deceive that builds momentum against the righteous. And the righteous cannot compromise with this thing. We need to stand up very strong against the evil that is solidifying in government. I couldn't agree with you more, Lance. We're going to go to a break.

We'll be right back with more Lance Wall Now. Praise the Lord. Folks, I've got the joy of speaking with my friend Lance Wall Now. Look, there he is. Lance, I want to ask you, where do you think we are? In other words, do you think I'm convinced that the election actually was not legitimate? In other words, that most, well, most, that 80 million Americans, voted for Trump. We had all kinds of irregularities. And I'm not just saying this. And I'm saying

that it was serious enough that I would say we need to get to the bottom of it. Do you think with, if Biden gets inaugurated in a few days that that can happen? What do you think can happen going forward? I think what can happen going forward is what, in a way, I'm almost relieved that we got here, although I'm nauseous that it had to happen the way it happened yesterday, because I think that we got sucker punched again. I think the naivity of our movement was we're going to have a nice peaceful parade, but we don't think like these guys do.

I mean, they're burning down to occupying territory. What you saw yesterday was the Occupy Seattle, Occupy Portland Brigade, show up, and what you're going to look at is footage of the mega people stopping Antifa from breaking into parts of building. The footage is already out where we're going, what the heck, this isn't what we do? And then like slowly dawning on us, we got to stop some of these people.

So what you're going to see is going to be a story that will not get out in media because the devil's purpose and all this is to create this anxiety on the floor. Senators backing up like it's radioactive. This is like the George Floyd moment all over again. Oh, I know, I know. It's classic. It's where we are in America. Forgive me for interrupting. But I was just going to say that to me, spiritually speaking, that is the, that's the ugliest part of this is that our finger is in the wind.

How are we feeling now? And let's base our monumental decisions on that. I think to myself, if this election was stolen, what does it matter what happened in the Capitol yesterday? That's really not relevant to who voted for whom. That's why you're supposed to be gathered for this vote. And they seem to have lost sight of that. It's kind of like, what is CNN telling me I should do right now?

I don't know how to process that, except it makes me sick. Yeah, it makes me totally nauseous. Because then every dumbo that gets up there as an electoral official has to start by declaring their righteous indignance with what they are now slandering as this is the stupidity of it. The Disney parade was all a wild mob looking for a fight. No, it was a Disney parade and it got, and, you know, maybe the Crips and the Bloods had a battle in it. And, you know, the media says it was everybody that went to the Disney park. So let's represent this as reality. This is the frustrated friend, a part of Trump's movement, the most dedicated that shows up in Washington and that peacefully, like people were asking me in the media, what did Trump say to stir this crowd up?

What did he say? You know Trump really never stirs a crowd up. He's not that kind of orator. We love him in spite of the fact he's not a Churchill or something like that in oratory. But he was talking about, it was freezing cold. He's going, Wisconsin had this. And then Michigan, he's listing all that. you know he is. He's listing every fraud that was done. And what do you do with the 20,000 dead people?

And he said, I know it's cold. I know it's cold. I don't want to bore you with the facts. And people were kind of threading their way out apologetically, you know, like you do in church when you leave early with your finger up. Excuse me, excuse me, they're walking out. And he's going on watching them leaving because he said, it's a, I want you to hear the facts. It was one of those mornings, freezing cold, my took us as frozen, and he's giving me the facts. He was ripped off. And he said, now we're going to go have a nice march and go march and we're going to march and we're going to march and we're going to be stormed the capital, nice march. And what happens is we've got footage now and I want to know what the heck's going on. I've had to do events in Washington where they had bicycle racks chained together to create it. This, in this footage, you got the police.

What are they doing? The police opening up these unconnected bicycle, you know, rails opening up and people coming through. And the first guys through, I'm telling you, look at the footage, beard, like almost. like they look like, like, we don't have media like this. This is like some kind of reporter that's going into the, you know, into the, you know, into the, you know, into the jungles or stuff like that. Bearded guys coming up with their little cameras. I said, I think those are the Antipa guys posing like they're trying to do media and they're the front lines of who the police are letting in. Do you think that the mayor, the radical, radical left-wing

mayor of D.C. was complicit in this. It seems like you're suggesting that. I wouldn't be surprised, but that's a big story. Oh, it's a big story. And it's unfortunately, how are you going to prove it? I mean, we can't even get a hold of 50 computers in Maricopa County, you know, Arizona. But here's what I do know, how disgusting this is. I've watched this city burning. I've watched statues coming down. I've watched mobs at night. I've watched tyranny on the streets. And I haven't seen the mayor calling out the National Guard and saying, this is a city of law and order. And then shutting it down for a city. curfew. So by 6 p.m. tonight, nobody will be on the street. You have the president and the white house saying, can't we do something to protect a statue? What authority do I have? The mayor's letting the city go up in flames. Statues are coming down. Mobs are roaming the city. She's not arguing that about law and order. You talk about latent, total blatant, rather, hypocrisy. And then you got all these lawful people, you know, not the Antifa crowd that was there,

but you got the lawful people all in lockdown because we're a city of law and order. I'll tell you what, it's law and order when you want to smear Republicans, but it's a peaceful protest when you're burning the city down for the devil. Well, that's, you know, unfortunately, Lance, many of us know that exactly what you're saying, that that is true. So the question is, what do we do? In other words, will we have the ability going forward to keep the republic? I mean, that's the question. I have said that if Biden gets in either way, fraudulently or legitimately,

He and his folks are going to take us down a path that destroys our ability to recover. What do you think? I mean, this is where the prophetic does come in. What's ahead for America? This is so important. And I said this two days ago. It is important that we, in our movement, recognize we are a movement and that Donald Trump is willing to still lead that movement. And that movement is going to redefine politics in the Republican Party.

and that movement is going to damage the Democrats. And what we must beware of is what happened yesterday cannot ever happen again. We can give them the gift of having us for a moment do anything that is unrighteous because they could be unrighteous all day. I will never call themselves out. But if they bait us into participating in something they do, it's us that's going to get.

It's like the kid in school who knows how to do something bad. and it's always when it turns around their straight face and the goofy kid who participated, that's the one the teacher caught. That's us. So we got to start with, and I mean it sincerely, no violence because they would love to come for the guns of lawful people, just like they want to come for the freedom of speech of God's most righteous people. They want to target the church, the best of people. So it's- We're called to a different standard. You're exactly right. We'll be right back final segment with our friend Lance Wal. now, don't go away. Hey there, folks. This is Yorkman Taxes Show. I'm talking to Lance Wall now. Lance, you're a Jew who believes Jesus of the Messiah.

I don't want to get into that right now. But a lot of people, they don't understand that. It's something we could talk about another time because it's very, very important. But we're kind of in an interesting political moment. We've just got a few minutes left. What do you say? Well, I'm not Jewish because my mother was Gentile. My grandmother was Gentile.

I'm only 20% Ashkenazi Jew. It's just that it's the New York part of the Ashkenazi that sounds so Jewish. That's what makes it sound like Jackie Mason. That's the problem right there. My mother was from Brooklyn, and that makes it even worse. So here's the situation. Where we are now is the populist movement. Donald Trump, let me tell you something.

This man, he is incensed with the fact that he won, but he lost, and he already has a list of all the waffling people in the Senate and the Congress that he helped get elected. Now, please listen to me. It's today, it's like Churchill said, this isn't the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning. In other words, we're in a phase where Donald Trump has done his role in a way as what he was supposed to do. He's not finished. He was denied his legal opportunity to administrate this country for four more years. We must hold the Democrats responsible for the consequences of every stupid thing they do from this day forward. We must not allow them the ability to make us the story.

We can't have a little militia group over here in Poughkeepsie or something over there, just like they're trying to do, and say the whole movement is and make us vilified and make the news cycle about Trump's crazy deranged followers. What we're going to do is see a populist movement, and we're going to see the movement hitting strong in those red states that, first of all, is safest where the government betrayed their own base by siding against us. And you're going to see, they're still on trial here, as far as I'm concerned, the electoral battle is a battle of who leads that $75 million in the future. And they better know that.

So we're watching what they do. The populist movement is going to carve its way through America all the way to 2022, when the electoral map will be reset. And we're going to have more courageous and righteous people representing, I would say, our tribe, which is a tribe, the American Party that wants to save America. It's interesting because I do think you're right. And I think that one of the most clarifying things about this, the last four or five years, is to see the character of many people who call themselves Republican. In other words, you start realizing, you know, I thought that was part of my tribe. Not really. They, they, we're seeing kind of an earthquake, a seismic shift, I guess.

That's what you're saying. And we really are seeing that some people, their priorities are different than our priorities, even though we were part of the same party. Absolutely. And so what we're discovering, which is really great for us, we're neither Republican nor Democrat from now on. What we are is Americans looking for leadership that will represent American interests. And American interest includes the protection of freedoms and the propagation of virtue through

religious faith. Say that again. Well, you remember, you're the one who taught me this. Remember, you said the three things you have to have, to have a, remember, you have to have the virtue, and then you have to have the religious freedom. Go ahead. You say it's so much better than me. No, I mean, you're right. That's kind of the issue is that if we do not have virtue, if we do not have faith, if these are not robust parts of our culture, libertarian conservatism will eventually die. You have to have virtue. You have to have faith. It has to be central to everything. Otherwise, the republic goes away. I think because we forgot that for so long, that's why what is happening is in fact happening. The question, of course, is what's going to happen next? We don't know, but we put our faith

in the Lord of hosts. It's wonderful to have some time with you, Lance, to be continued as soon as possible. God bless you, my friend. Thank you, my friend.