The Eric Metaxas Show - Che Ahn

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

Pastor Che's new book "Blueprints for Transformation: Bringing Revival and Reformation to the Nations".

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So Robert Nestle, there's good news about tractor supply and lows. Tell us about that. Yeah. Yeah. So many of your listeners may have heard of the news in the recent months, tractor supply and lows both made very public announcements rolling back their DEI initiatives, rolling back a lot of the CRT trainings, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, that had become so problematic in those organizations and many others. Our coalition, ourselves, you know, we're faith-based

asset managers. We have a network of aligned financial advisors around the country. We manage about $3.2 billion of assets in a biblically responsible fashion. And part of our, a big part of our work is speaking biblical truth to corporate power. And so we've been involved in pushing back on tractor supply and loads and many others, along with friends like Robbie Starbuck and others who's very public platforms, you know, have resulted in these companies making, you know, these total about faces firing the whole department based on, you know, these like woke DEI kind of quotas for hiring and, you know,

you know, really discrimination, essentially, giving jobs to people based on the color of their skin. I mean, it's a bad idea. We want to move back to meritocracy. We believe that, you know, those who have the best results should get the best job. And no matter what color of their skin is, what their sexual preferences are, I mean, those things don't matter when it comes to doing a good job, right? And so we want these companies to stop putting the finger on the scale. And we're celebrating track of supply and lows because they've made a very good decision. And as such, they've earned positive scores in what we call our Inspire Impact Score methodology.

They've been previously excluded from our portfolios because of how egregious things were going. And now they have earned those positive scores and we've rewarded them by putting the back in the portfolio. So we want to reward good, punish evil. And this is a great like full circle story. that's really wonderful. So that's the story with the tractor supply and most. I think the shock for most of us, I remember I was following Robbie's Starbook on X.

And to see the tractor supply had been pushing woke lunacy, you think tractor supply, really? And I think we see this over and over, that corporate America, a lot of times they just go with the flow and promote evil without. either without realizing it or without caring or without understanding. So if there's no pushback, that's just what they're going to do. So thanks to you guys, thanks to Robbie Starbuck, other voices,

they're forced to deal with reality. In other words, you want to keep pushing that garbage, go ahead, but we're not going to help you. We're not going to shop there. We're not going to invest money there. And again, that's what you and I are talking about right now, is how many of us have our money in some funds someplace, that is promoting lunacy, woke lunacy, DEI, whatever.

And so the idea that these companies that we would kind of assume would be okay, we're all waking up to this idea that, no, corporate America has been taken over by woke lunatics. And unless we push back, that's where they're going to go. So you've had real success here. So I want people to know if they want to go to find out more, they can go to Inspire Investing. That's the main website. but if you want to know folks whether your money is being used to promote companies that are pushing

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If people who have their money in these companies would take it out, it would change the world. It would absolutely change the world. So I want everybody to go to InspireAdvisors.com slash Eric, folks, you got to, you got to you got to look into this. Robert, just 60 seconds left. Final thoughts. Yeah, I encourage you guys, because, you know, you can earn, I mean, there's no reason to sacrifice financial returns, nor invest with good values. You can do both of them at the same time. We can help you do that. And it's important. You know, if we're just willing to buy, you know, some secular mutual fund and keep our money in these companies, they don't care how much we complain on social media

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He's senior pastor of Harvest Rock Church in Pasadena, California for quite a long time now. Suddenly, it's a very long time. It's 30, this is going to be 31 years, unbelievable. Pastor Cheon, welcome back. It's good to be with you, Eric. you're one of my heroes as a world changer and one of my favorite authors. So it's such an honor for me to be on your show. You're way too kind.

Thank you very, very much. Now, I want to talk to you about you have a new book out called Blueprints for Transformation, Revival and Reformation. Now, a lot of people are using the term reformation. I've been one of them. It's kind of interesting. I wrote a book, obviously, about Martin Luther and what we call it. the Reformation, but a lot of people have been saying that we see revival happening, but not just

revival, but Reformation. In other words, not just souls get saved, but souls get saved. And then because of people having a different viewpoint, they affect the culture and great things happen. That happened 500 years ago during the first Reformation. And it seems to be happening now. Well, what do you, what's your view on that? What do you say in the book, Pastor, Well, the word, yeah, that's a great question because the word reform is even used by unbelievers, especially even the left. There's, for example, a organization called the Reformation Project. It's a euphemism because it is to advocate pastors buying the gay narrative that you could be a Christian and be gay. So even the term reform, they want to reform their church.

but in a very demonic way and evil way. Now, what I talk about Reformation, my book, is in the context of revival and specifically the Great Awakening. We've only had two Great Awakening, the First Great Awakening in 1738, as you know, and also in the United States, the Second Great Awakening in 1801.

So the first one was in Great Britain, and it led to not only the harvest coming in, the church being awakened, those are two primary things happen, that happens in a great awakening, but most importantly, society is transformed. And, of course, you wrote the amazing book, Amazing Grace, about William Wilberforce, and how with the Clapman Group, they were able to transform England, first of all, with the Slave Trade Act of 1807, ending slave trade,

and then the Emancipation Proclamation and all the British Commonwealth Nations by 1833. That's what I mean by reform, reforming the culture, reforming the government, but in a way that's done through his power, through his grace, so that Jesus gets all the glory. It's not something where in a humanistic way we try to reform the government mountain, for example, or education. And I believe what we're seeing right now is reformation happening through the grace of God through President Trump, just the fact that he wants to dismantle, the education department, which is something that, you know, President, like President Reagan, have been saying for years. It's been 30 years since that department was important. Well, actually, it was in 1979 with Carter. And yet, right now, because we're in a season of revival, I believe that God's given the grace and was the mercy of God that President Trump won, but also the grace to be a reformer

and going after issues, but I believe it's really by the power of the Holy Spirit. Of course, he uses an anointed person like Trump. You know, he's like Assyrus, you know, Isaiah 45, even though he doesn't know me, he's anointed by me. I personally think he does know him, but I believe that God's using him to bring about revival reform reformation. So in my book, I contend, and I wrote this before the election was on, because it came out in December.

you had to have the book wet before the election. And I wrote this in October, and I said that we are in a season of revival and reformation, and I was bold enough to say, I believe we are in the early stages of a third great awakening. And I feel that because the Lord spoke to me on Passover 22. You got to realize this is three years ago when he spoke to me that we're entering into a third great awakening. and I said, Lord, that is a mouthful. I need a sign. I need a confirmation. I don't want to prophesy. I don't want to declare this until you tell me that we are in a third grade

awakening, give me a sign. And he whispered to my heart, this is April 15, 2022, that Roe v. Wade had been overturned. Now, obviously, the Supreme Court had already decided that December before 2022, but we didn't know the outcome until June 24, 2022, when was official? But when I heard that, I said, Lord, I need a confirmation on this confirmation. I need to know that this has really been overturned because I'm not going to say this publicly. I'm not going to be accused of being a false prophet. By the way, Eric, I'm not even a prophet. I believe in John 10, 27, my sheep, hear my voice.

I know them and they follow me. But one thing that I do emphasize is that as the church, as the ecclesian, especially as pastors, we have to hear with the Spirit of God saying to the church. I heard this and I was blown away by this and I did some research and found this to be true. Jesus says this phrase more than any other phrase in the Bible, more than love one another. He says, he who has ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit saying to the church. And that's, of course, seven times in Revelation chapter 2 and 3 alone. So we as believers have to hear because we're the salt of the soul of God.

the earth, the light of the world. And we have to hear what the Spirit of God is saying, and just like the sense of Issaacar, to know what to do about it. And so that we are activists as believers. And I base that on Daniel chapter 11, verse 32, those who know their God will be strong and take action. So this whole thing of this platonic separation of church and state is so evil, comes from the devil. It's Greek thinking. I have no offend to you, because I know you're great, but it's dualism that, you know, as you know, it's not Hebraic thinking. It's not biblical thinking.

He is Lord over all. He rules and reign. His kingdom rules and reigns over every area of life, especially in the government, because he established the government. So the reason why I say that is because I really believe that his heart is, his kingdom comes, his will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. Matthew chapter 6, of course, the Lord's Prayer, verses 9 and 10. But the main scripture I used to bring heaven down to earth is that is from Psalm 89,

verse 14. What does heaven look like? And I said, the foundation of God's throne, this is from Psalm 89 verse 4 is righteousness and justice, love and truth proceed from his presence or his face, the word face in the Hebrew, same as his presence. And so you see these four key pillars, righteousness and justice. And the word justice there is biblical justice. I'm not talking about social justice.

And so we're seeing under Biden four years of just social justice and even injustice as far as weaponizing the Department of Justice to go after President Trump personally but also politically. And, of course, you know, even people that were quietly, peacefully protesting outside of the abortion clinic were arrested. A grandmother was arrested just for praying outside. That's injustice. I mean, that's a violation of our First Amendment, freedom of speech, right. And thank God. Now we have a president that's restoring justice. The first thing he did was part of the 23 people that were out in the abortion clinic.

and of course, January 6, pardon all the people there, because that was absolutely the warfare from the Department of Justice against citizens who, and I was there on January 6th. I was there, and I didn't go into the Capitol, but I was there to hear President Trump speak, and he said very specifically, let's peacefully and prayerfully go over to the Capitol. And that's what we did. I had 20-some members from our church there to pray,

but to have people get arrested, just walking in because the doors were open. Listen, this was evil in our time. Pastor Jay, on you know this, and I know this. This is evil. And there are many today, many in the mainstream media, including conservative, quote-unquote, media, who are believing the lie, promoting the lie, or being silent in the face of evil. What happened on January 6th, the lying, the gaslighting, we've never seen anything like it. And it's hard for people to get their heads around it. But the truth is coming out. And part of

what's happening with this revival and reformation that you're talking about is truth is coming out. It's being revealed, the corruption, the fraud, the filth, the crimes. It's coming out. And more and more Americans are seeing it. And obviously, there's no path forward unless we see where we've been and what we've done. We're going to go to a break here. Folks, I want to remind you, please, to help our friend Mike Lindell by going to my store.com, use the code Eric. My books are there. The best prices anywhere at mystore.com. Go to Mypillow.com. Tremendous sales right now. Please use the code Eric. As you know, Mike has been attacked. His company's been attacked. They're trying to take him down. So we want to support him. MyStore.com. Mypillow.com.

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Use promo code, Eric, or call 800-978-3057. MyPillow.com. promo code Eric or call 800-978-3057 to order now. MyPillow.com. Back talking to my friend, Pastor Che on from Pasadena, California. Pastor Chee, you said in the previous segment that God spoke to you. There are a lot of people that they don't understand that when somebody says that they're like, what?

I don't know what he's talking about. Well, you don't make this kind of stuff up, right? And so some people hear from God. God wants us all to hear from him. him, and I say that boldly, folks. If you're not hearing from God, you may not hear from God the way somebody else does, but God wants to lead us and guide us, and I have heard from him rarely, but you know when God is speaking and he speaks in different ways. But what did he say to you, say it again, that this was 2022 and that you, where were you, or how did he speak to you when he

said that a third great awakening is coming? Right. Well, it was on Passover, it was April 15th. It was a good Friday, actually, and it's also going into Passover. And it was in my quiet time. And when I say he spoke to me, I'm not talking about an audible voice. And I'm glad that you qualified that era because a lot of people think that, you know, everything is. But he speaks in so many different ways. The primary way he speaks to us is through his word. And I would say most of the revelation I've gone from God speaking to me is something that pops off the Bible and really changes my life.

And so for me, when I do my devotional study, I'm not studying to prepare for a message, even though I preach. I'm a senior pastor. I'm still preaching every week. But I read the word for an encounter. I read the Bible so the Holy Spirit can speak to me because the Holy Spirit's our teacher. It says in John 1426, the Holy Spirit will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance what he has taught us. And so then going on to John chapter 16, verse 7, Jesus says this. amazing, shocking statement, it is to your vanish. I go away. Now, think about it, Eric. We're talking

about God incarnate with the 12 apostles for three years, and they're experiencing heaven on earth. Food is multiplying. People are getting healed. It's almost like the restoration of God walking with Adam and Eve in the call of the day, but it's now with three years with the disciples. Of course, the environment is still a desert environment. It's not paradise. But Jesus is there. God in the midst of them. And they see it. And then he says, you're going to be better off if I leave. And the disciples saying, what in the heck you've been saying this over and over again? We don't get it. And he says, the reason why you're going to be better off, because I'm going to send the helper the Holy Spirit. And he goes on to say he won't speak of his own authority. This is John.

chapter 16. But whatever he hears, he's going to speak. He's hearing from Jesus, and we see this beautiful synergy between God the Father, God the Son, God, the Holy Spirit, unity, three in, three persons, but one in essence is God. It's a mystery. And I can't explain that to you. But I do know that we see that this is an orthodox doctrine that's non-negotiable, that when he said, let us make man, is in the plural. The word God Elohim is plural. And we see it, of course, in Jesus' baptism. We see

Jesus is God, the dove coming upon him, and remaining on him, the Holy Spirit. And heaven's open, God, the Father speaks. This is my beloved son, with whom I'm well pleased. And we see that in Luke 3, also Matthew 3. So we see the Trinity, but

the point I want to make is that he won't speak of his own accord, whatever he hears, he's going to speak, and he will tell you what is to come. He is a prophetic God. And that's why he says, one of the gifts, I'm going to give at the outpouring of my, it's amazing. The first manifestation of the outpouring in Joel 2, verse 28, and also in Acts 217, and the last days I'll pour out my spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters will prophesy. In other words, they're going to hear from God, and they're going to speak about God's speaking. And so that's the basic outpouring.

So this is not, you don't have to be a prophet. You don't have to be an apostle. You don't have to be even a pastor. Again, John 10, 27, my sheep, hear my voice. God wants that intimate relationship with every believer. And he wants to say, the truth is, one theologians that God's constantly speaking, the problem is we're not listening. We're too distracted.

We're just on social media. We're just looking at her phone. We're on television, hours, and God's speaking. but ironically, God could even speak to us through a movie, through television. He can speak to us, of course, through a dream. And that's one of the ways that God speaks to me. So anyway, I wanted to qualify. And thanks for the great question.

He just spoke to me in the small still voice, but I act. But one of the things you need to do is to make sure it's according to the word of God. If he speaks, you've got to test it, okay? You had to get godly counsel from people who know the word and just say, what do you think? God spoke this to me. and to get affirmation. And most importantly, you know, if God's speaking,

he's going to say it multiple times, and he began to speak to me that we're in Reformation, the first time was Roe v. Way being overturned and actually happened that week, because political elite, Judge Alito's writing that it had been overturned. So I knew even before June 24, that was a confirmation God gave me.

But something else happened that week, must-bopped Twitter. And that was a scientific, to me. And now it wasn't consummated until October of 22. But it was a sign. That's very interesting. That all came at that time. That's 2022 already. Wow. Yeah, 2022. And he bought Twitter. And I said, OMG, he is reforming the media mountain. We're going to get truth back. Again, the foundation of his throne is righteousness and justice, mercy and truth proceed from his face, his presence.

And so all of a sudden I'm seeing another sign of reformation. But the biggest sign is that he spoke to me that Trump's going to win. And I was to make a decree in front of – it turned out to be 375,000 people. And when was that? Give me the date, and then we have to go to a break. So when did the Lord tell you that Trump was going to win? He spoke to me in September the 1st, 2024. Okay.

We'll be right back, folks, talking to Pastor Chey on the book is Blueprints for Transformers. Revival and Reformation. I talked to our friend, Pastor Che on, C-H-E, Che on A-H-N. So Pastor Che, or Papa Che, as you are called, you say the Lord spoke to you in September of 2024 and said to you that Trump is going to win the election. Now, how did that come about? Was that just an impression?

And that you're saying beyond the fact that God said that to you, the Lord told you to say this publicly, not just that you hear it, but that to say this publicly. So how did that happen? Okay. Now, it came in stages, Eric. So in the beginning, I was just thinking, just logically, rationally, if we're in a third grade awakening, then we have to see righteousness back in the office of the White House. So it was just more of a, the initial was more of an impression I received from the Lord. But then the Lord began to really crystallize it,

and he spoke to me in two significant ways and it happened both in September 1st and then September the 4th. And what happened was, is that I got a dream that we're going to see reformation, and it's a long dream I don't have time to go into, but I heard the Lord say that he, in the dream, I'll just share this, in this dream, I was running late for a meeting, I had to speak out of service, the place was packed, but I had no idea what I was going to speak on.

And I came into lobby, and the only one in the lobby was Jesus. Now, it was one of the few times I've seen Jesus in a dream, but it was Jesus, and he was holding a two-year-old. And he looked at me, and I knew what I need to speak on. he spoke to me, don't mess with my kids, that children have been assaulted, the thing that's so close to his heart, the apple of his eye, through abortion, through transgender nonsense, human trafficking with open borders. And I heard the Lord say that this is coming to a stop, and I need to speak on it. So it was just one of those things where you see a vision, but you get the interpretation in the spirit what he's trying to say. Well, then I said, well, Lord, I needed a confirmation on that.

And so on the 4th of September, I'm talking to my friend, and this is something that was in the news, going back to 2023. You may have heard about this, the Mountain Gateway, an organization that had done an incredible outreach in Managua, Nicaragua. and they had almost 500,000 people coming to a major crusade. Nathan Morris was the evangelist, but Britt Hancock, my friend, Britt and Audrey were the ones organizing this amazing crusade. Now, this blue, Daniel Ortega, away, this is a communist country, and to have half the nation, so to speak, hear the gospel, because they reached every rural village,

but then to have a half a million come to this amazing platform. and I have pictures of it is just unbelievable, a drone picture of the size of the crowd. And every hand went up to receive Jesus Christ. They had no room for any kind of altar calls, so everyone raised their hand. They let them to Jesus Christ. And the next day, Daniel Ortega arrested 13 of his workers and put them in prison. He had a kangaroo court. It was just, he says, you're money laundering because they received an offering that night

to pay for the expenses. and they were in prison. Now, this is in the news, and it was on the news, but you know, the news span is so short. It was just on the news for a few days, and then it was over. And so Britt Hancock's trying to get them out of prison for 10 months, and they had 15 years to 20 years sentences. It was unbelievable evil, and again, this is a manifestation of communism, is a manifestation of Satan who's behind communism,

and communism, as you and I know, have killed a hundred million of their own citizens. They care less about lives, but they don't believe in God. And if they don't believe in God, then they don't believe that we're made in the image on likeness of God. And so it's an evil ideology. And the thing that I want to just say and add is that it's coming to California where I live. Socialism. They call the euphemism like progressive, but it's Marxism, it's neo-Marxism in California, and they're trying to influence the rest of America.

Of course, we have Bernie Sanders and AOC. I mean, these are Marxists. So we just have to wake up and just be vigilant about bringing his kingdom rule and bring down the strongholds through prayer. Again, we don't wrestle against people, but against principalities, against powers, against spiritual wickedness in heaven places. But through prayer, we need to bring down the ideology of the people. Marxism, and if I could go on and say also Islam.

So the main threat right now to America is China, is Russia. The strongholds of Marxism is still there. China is a Lenin-Marxist state. And then, of course, in Iran, and there's this demonic axis forming right before us, including North Korea, where my father was born. And so we've got to realize that there are real battles still to be one. In fact, a friend of mine, George Otis Jr. wrote a book, The Last of the Giants. Then he cited those strongholds, principalities giant, spiritual strongholds, being communism, Islam. And then he said,

Mammon, materialism in the West, that the love of money is rid of all evil. And if we are not careful, it will kill revival and reformation. You see the corruption with Doge and people is all driven by the money, the love of money. I read that book by George Otis Jr., the Last of the Giants. I read that, I think, in 1990. I'd just become a believer a couple of years before, and I was so moved by that amazing book. I would really love to meet him because it's very, very powerful.

But you're saying that God has spoken that there is to be World Revival. So let me tell you what. Let me tell you the story. So I was getting to a point. So my friend, Britt Hancock, got 13 hostages. And meantime, we are mobilizing for stadium evangelism in California called Hope, L.A. And this is something God's doing. We did 10 major events, and I'm not the founder of it.

I oversee the Harvest International Ministry, but this is a separate organization called Hope, California. And we do Hope, L.A., Hope San Diego, Hope, Sacramento. And it's all of this amazing thing, like baptized California. 12,000 people got baptized last May. And so we're seeing a movement in California. So we're organizing this major event. And I asked Britt Hancock to help us mobilize, since he mobilized half the nation, for Nathan Morris. And I had asked him early, and he said, I can't help you.

My focus is getting these 13 hostages free. Go ahead. We have to go to a break. We've got a final segment, folks, talking to Pastor Cheney. Chey on. The book is Blueprints for Transformation. Revival and Reformation. We'll be right back. Welcome back talking to Pastor Chey on. The book is Blueprints for Transformation. So Pastor Chee, you're sharing an amazing story. You asked your friend to lead up this thing in California. He said, I can't do it. My focus is in getting these people out of prison in communist

Nicaragua. Unbelievable. So keep going. And so I have a Zoom call with them. I have a conference call with him on September the 4th. I told you it was all within this time. And one of the things I was saying was, Lord, I need a real confirmation if I'm to make a decree at the million women gathering in front of $375,000, it turned out to be $375,000, but also 10 million watching the line. If I'm to decree that President Trump will be our 47th president, and here's what he gave me. He gave me this word that here's what I'm talking to Britt, and Britt said, even though they are still in prison, the Lord spoke to me, I'm to help you. And I'm talking to him on this conference call, and I was just so elated.

I was so relieved that we're going to have someone that has experienced, help us to mobilize California for this outreach. And all of a sudden, the Lord spoke to me, and the Spirit of God came upon me, and I prophesied to him. And I said, Britt, because you said, yes, the Lord is giving me Luke 418 for you. The Spirit of the Lord is upon you. He's anointed you to preach the gospel to the poor. He sent you to heal the brokenhearted and to open eyes that are blind. But here's what I'm declaring to you. He is going to release the 13 hostages.

He's sent you also to release the captives, and the 13 hostages are going to be released. And I declared that, and he was flown away by it. The next day, Eric, because of time, next day he texts me, all 13 hostages have been released from Nicaragua, and they're on the way to Guatemala to come back to the United States. And when I heard that, I said, Jesus is a confirmation that I'm hearing clearly, and now I'm to make a decree that President Trump.

So that's how the sequence happened, and then I made the declaration that President Trump will be the 47th president in the Washington, D.C. Mall. So that's how he speaks. He speaks in multiple ways, but we have to confirm it. We have to get other people to bear witness to it. And, of course, I shared it with Lou Engel and others that I was to make that decree.

And they affirmed that I was to do so. And so after Jonathan Khan broke the altar of his star, I got up and made that decree that President Trump would be our 47th president. Well, and guess what? He is, praise the Lord. I mean, honestly, is amazing. We've only got a minute or so left. So when is this the Hope Caltech? California thing, California will be saved. Is that happened or is that happening?

Yeah, when it's happening. So it's going to be on April the 18th, 2026, 418. It happens to be a Saturday. So the verse that God gave me for Brid, you know, Luke 418 is going to be on April the 18th of Saturday, 2026. And maybe I could come on your show just to talk about that before that happened so we can mobilize the nation to bring unbelievers. And we're going to see a great harvest. I feel, Eric, where, again, this revival reformation, where we're seeing another Jesus people movement. But unlike the Jesus people movement of 1967 to 77, we didn't transform America.

We got Roe v. Wade, and then same-sex marriage in 2015, we went backwards. But in this situation, I believe that God's going to reform and restore that which was lost, and we're going to see, I mean, just think, I mean, President Trump already just said, I want to bring the Bible back into schools. I want to bring prayer back into school. I mean, we're just seeing an amazing reformation taking place.

Just as declaration, there are only two genders. I mean, we're seeing biblical justice being restored right there. So righteousness and justice and truth and mercy. It's all out of love for God's love for our nation. It's coming to pass. It's so, it's just delightful. I'm glad a big part of having this program is to introduce listeners to folks like you, folks.

There's more. There's more. There's more in walking with God. There's more in living life. Pastor Cheyahn, thank you. The book is Blueprints for Transformation. God bless you. Thank you so much.