The Eric Metaxas Show - Cheryl Chumley

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

Cheryl Chumley, Opinion Editor at the Washington Times, talks about her hard-hitting new book, Lockdown: The Socialist Plan to Take Away Your Freedom."

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Oh, I know. We started with Memorial Day. We had a Socrates in the city with Apollo 16 astronaut Charles Moss. Duke, Brigadier General Charles Moss Duke. It was an amazing event. We will get it up on video, ASAP. I tell you, folks, it was magical. It was absolutely magical. Now, Albin, we today, in this hour, I'm speaking to Cheryl Chumley, who's written a book on the socialist lockdown, the COVID madness. Very important conversation. In hour two, I speak to Sarah Barrett.

She's 22. She's brilliant. And she has written a very important book. I don't have the title in front of me. Stand up, stand strong. There you go. Yeah. Oh, man.

But she is so lovely. And I have to say, that's where you have hope in America. When you meet someone like that and you think, this is a young woman. Her eyes are on the right stuff. She understands where we are. And she's the voice for this generation. And she's the editor of Revolution. Rebel.

Revolution. Isn't that clever? Okay. But now listen, before we get to Cheryl Chumley, and before we get to Sarah Barrett, I want to interview Albin Seder. Oh, because Albin Sater has written another article. Twin Brother Tony. He's written another article. Albin, I don't know when you do this stuff, but you wrote an article at American Greatness

called Church of Cowards, question mark. And it's going to be re-published at the stream. Yeah, and it's probably going to be called Church Men or Church Mike. Churchmen or church mice at stream.org. Yeah, sometimes. Maybe next week. People who listen to this program know they should be going to stream.org. They should. Anyway, they should also be going to Ericmetaxis.com and signing up for my newsletter because all kinds of people say, well, I get your radio newsletter.

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Greatness. It will be at stream.org. It's called Church of Cowards. And it says America's founders did not avoid being political. As many people know, I have a book coming out in the fall called Letter to the American Church where I deal with this issue. This has become a very, very, very hot topic for me because it's the lie that has infected many people in America, many Christians in America that We're not supposed to be political. So when I saw that you wrote an article, I said, this is pretty cool, Albin. So talk to me about it. In all seriousness, I'm so inspired by the guests that are on the show, of course, by you and all that.

And it is the issue of our time that the church has backed out, has backed away, because when I was growing up, the church was involved in all these things. Just the idea that there was a God, whether you believe them or not, but he was a loving God. And he said to love your neighbor as yourself, and people practiced that. Then the church backed out and said, no, no, we've got to be. part of the world. But here's what really gets me. Whenever they're church people that say, don't get involved in politics, the word politics is

actually from the Greek, and I'm sure you know this, affairs of the city. And in the gospel, it says, take the gospel to all the world, which means to all the cities of the world. So that means get involved in politics, the affairs of the city. Well, if you don't do that, this is what's so fascinating and what it actually makes me

think about is what do you really believe? Is if you, some people, Nancy Piercy wrote about this, in one of her great books. She's written so many great books, but this two-tiered view that there's this kind of religious realm and then there's everything else.

And you think, where did you get this idea? There's only truth and lies. And so there's no political truth or Christian truth. It's either truth or it's not. And so if something is true and good and beautiful, you don't say, well, but that's political truth and that doesn't concern me as a Christian. We are obliged to represent truth everywhere.

And if somebody tries to shut you up by saying, well, you're being political, you think, well, that's really not an argument. It's like saying God, God doesn't touch politics because that's so impure that God does not dirty his hands and neither should you, Christian, good Christian boy, good Christian girl. Except for the fact that William Wilberforce was a politician. Yes, he was. And he was used by God in the realm of politics to abolish the slave trade. And I think to myself, how more wonderfully could you possibly live out your faith? faith than by bringing it to bear wherever you are. He was a politician. He brought about the end of the slave trade because of his Christian faith. And there were people in his day. Let's be clear,

folks. Let's not do this 2020 hindsight. Like, well, yeah, we know Wilberforce is great. In his day, there were voices just like the voices today saying, that's political. Don't be political. Just keep your faith in that church. Keep your faith private. It's utterly nonsensical. I mean, it's totally illogical. It's wrong. It's immoral. But there were people doing that in Wilberforce's Day, telling him to shut up, keep his faith private. In Bonhoeffer's Day, there were tons of German Christians who said,

we don't want to get involved in that. That's political. And we need to just keep quiet and preach the gospel over here in this little religious corner. It makes no sense. Well, the founding of this nation, George Whitfield, I mean, there was a great revival that happened right before the whole, let's get ourselves away from the British and let's make our own country. George Woodfield united the country with a revival, with Christians saying there's a God,

there's a God that loves us, there's a God that wants us to be free, and we're going to do this things, folks. And so today we need Christians out in front, even if it's just standing and saying, no, I'm not going along with that woke ideology. I mean, who died and made you boss? There's a God in heaven who's alive and loving, and right? He's alive, and he wants us to take charge of these things and say no to, you know, more than two sexes, no to telling little kids, hey, you can be whatever you want, boy, girl, whatever. It's so crazy to me that we even have to talk about this, but we do have to talk about this because there are voices.

I mentioned this a couple times, right? Now, I don't want to demonize people, but there are people, prominent Christian voices. The most prominent recently is Andy Stanley in Atlanta. He wrote a whole book called Not in It to Win It. And he makes some decent points, but the larger argument is completely. Completely wrong. And it's that we should not be involved in anything political because that's divisive. And I think, are you kids, that's the whole point. The gospel is divisive. When I say the unborn are made in the image of God, inevitably, there are people going to say, that, that's offensive, that's divisive. I don't want to, I don't want anything to do with you. And I think, well, I'm sorry, but it's true. And we're living in a time where these truths have to be pointed out and clarified. And so we have prominent Christians out there saying, no, be quiet about those things. Just preach the gospel.

And you think, well, what is left of the gospel? I mean, what are you talking about? What kind of God are you talking about if he doesn't care about the unborn? If he doesn't care about the Jews going to Treblinka and Auschwitz and boxcars, and he doesn't care about the slaves. If he doesn't care about that, he just cares about this little gospel thing over here. What gospel are you even talking about? And so where can people find your article, Alba?

I'm sorry. You can find it at American Grace's greatness. That's AM greatness.com or it will be at stream.org at some point. Now, I've changed the title. I've tweeted a little called Churchmen or Church Mice. One reason is a nod to Matt Walsh. He has a book out that I realize his book is called Church of Cowards. You're kidding.

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. Matt. I should have Googled my title before having it published at American Greatness, but it's going to be changed to Church Men or Church Mice. Well, I like that even better. Yeah, I like it even better, too. church men or church mites what are you a church man or a church mouse or church woman or church mouse squeak well all right when we come back Cheryl chumley is my guest in hour two the lovely

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but we don't write books about it, and you did. So tell us. Tell us. what led you to write a book about this depressing but important subject? It is depressing. Well, for over two years at the Washington Times, I wrote commentaries critical of the government's overreach and response to the coronavirus. In fact, as early as April 2020, I wrote a piece that was entitled, The Coronavirus will go down in history as the biggest political hoax. And at the time, I was attacked by both sides of the political.

aisle. But you can see how the left now, two years later, has taken the coronavirus and exploited Americans' fears to steal pretty much all our civil liberties, including the right to gather and worship freely with the closing of the churches. And so I write about that some of the behind-doors discussions that maybe were underreported or unreported that the left used to justify the clampdowns. And more importantly, I look forward to where this is all going to lead. If Americans think there is going to be a return to pre-pandemic norms, they need to think again because the left isn't going to let this crisis go. I've got a bad case of monkey pox now that you bring it up. Honestly, it's hard for me, it's always hard for me to talk about this subject, although I do talk about it often, but it's difficult because if you've lived long enough, you've lived long enough, you've

realized that what happened when this initially, you know, burst on the scene and we're told you have to stay home. And I thought to myself, this is utterly unprecedented in our lifetimes. There's no one roughly our age, unless you're very old. There's no memory in our culture of anything like this. Absolutely nothing. You'd have to go at least go to World War II for anything along the long. of what we've been experiencing. And because it's unprecedented, I really think that's why they

were able to get away with it. In other words, that people simply weren't prepared. I think we've always, roughly speaking, trusted our government and the authorities. Even if you have dramatic disagreements, you don't think that they're capable of what we have seen in the last two years. So it's kind of horrifying to see it happening. What was it the tip you off, Cheryl, initially when you wrote about this in April of 2020? Well, one of the major red flags I initially noted was that Anthony Fauci came out and he predicted these gloom and doom death statistics, but he based the stats on computer modeling, which anybody who follows the climate change alarmist debate knows that all the climate change

alarmists that predict death to the entire world in 12 years or eight years or whatever they come up with. It's all based on computer modeling. And computer modeling only gives you figures that are as accurate as those that you input. So you can have computer models tell you anything you want, depending on what data you input. And it just defies logic that a man, a medical bureaucrat, can predict death anyhow, but to predict so many deaths based on computer statistics, that was one of the earliest red flags that I recall. Okay, because it's interesting. I mean, that's not the kind of thing that would tip me off,

but you're wise to this kind of thing. I mean, it just struck me early on that we really were caught unawares. In other words, most people just, you don't know how to react. You can't believe, first of all, that mayors and governors have this kind of power because they've never exercised it in our lifetimes. And so I really do think that's part of what has been so. shocking is to see them really, you know, obviously go beyond what you would think they would, they seemed, they seemed to enjoy exercising their power. And I, as somebody living in New York City,

I was just genuinely surprised to see what was going on. Well, truly, they don't have these powers, right? By the Constitution, by a country that's a host to be guided by a concept of liberties to the individual coming from a creator and government only being there to support, preserve, and protect those already bestowed individual liberties. But the reason the left seized them is because they felt as if this was the time, that this was the opportune moment to take advantage. And I think the more the left got away with seizing powers early on in the pandemic, the more it emboldened them to continue. seizing powers and to expand to other members of the left to take advantage of the situation

and seize their own powers. And until it became too late in the game for Americans to sit up and fight back, until it became the idea that those who did fight back were regarded as radicals. And truly, if you go back in time, remember those two fitness owners in the fitness center owners in New Jersey? Those two, right, they struck me as. the sanest people in America at the time. And yet they were branded as radical, unpatriotic even, and far out.

But that's what we needed more of early on. Well, so when you talk about the socialist plan to take away your freedom, I think one of the questions most of us have is, who is behind this? I mean, again, I think I'm repeating myself, but the idea that none of us was prepared for this. It seemed to happen. And most Americans just think, well, what do I need? to do. I want to follow the rules. I want to go along. None of us really dreamt, or I should say I didn't, and I'm reasonably skeptical, but that there were people behind this with ulterior motives.

You know, when I heard that people would say things like, well, you know, mayor, I'm sorry, a governor Cuomo is putting infected people in nursing homes and this is killing people off. The idea that a leader, like a governor, would have a cavalier attitude about, you know, know, exacerbating death rates or that it might be even intact. It just was unthinkable to me, even though he is somebody that I think of as, you know, politically anathema. But I simply didn't think Americans were capable of that. And so that's part of my question is, how do you, who do you think was orchestrating this? Or how do you think it worked? Because it really just was, to repeat myself, unprecedented for most of us. Well, to address your, your viewpoint

that it was surprising about the speed and, I guess, intensity of which the left stole our powers. I have to say that that seems to me to be kind of a common theme that those who are good in heart or those who love liberty have a really hard time understanding evil. Because honestly, that's what we're dealing with here. And people don't want to believe that members of their own government can actually be evil, have evil intents, hate America so much that they're willing to sacrifice. As in the example you gave, Governor Cuomo, sacrifice even elderly people and be cavalier about the deaths they cause. But there's a real evil in society. And I think that we do a disservice to the cause of liberty

by not recognizing that evil wants to steal liberties. So if we start with that premise, then we can look at where these sources of evil are coming from. And there were very many with this coronavirus, pretty much the whole Democrat Party, right? But it's beyond America's borders. You have to look at, say, the World Economic Forum and the founder of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab. And you can go to wephorum.org, the W.EF's own website, and see Klaus, in his own words, talking about using this pandemic to bring about an entire great reset of the world. And you can also read what this great reset means to America. And in his own words, it will cripple America's constitution and crumble our free market and capitalistic system. It will turn America into something that is much more akin to socialist slash communists. And in the end, really, collectivist type nations than free America. So the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab with his smiley, friendly, friendly face, you have to look

beyond that and still see that his intent is evil. I don't, I mean, I don't have any doubt that there's evil in the world. It's just that in America, I didn't think that it could come this swiftly. I mean, I wrote a book about Dietrich Bonhofer and the Nazis. And when you look at that, it's very similar. It was a civilized country. They'd never seen anything like this. And the swiftness, the way evil takes over, I can understand why Adolf Hitler would want to do what he did, because we all know in retrospect. Oh, yes, that's Adolf Hitler. But when you think of Americans making common cause with globalists, with people who seem to despise our Constitution and the founder's vision of America, for most Americans, that is really something new. When you think of evil,

you simply don't think that it could exist in that mature form among us and then suddenly take advantage of something like this. Folks, we're talking to the author of Locked the socialist plan to take away your freedom. Cheryl Chumley will be right back. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis and they have no clue how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed.

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The Socialist Plan to Take Away Your Freedom. Cheryl, I was just saying that, you know, when I think of Nazi Germany, I know that there's real evil in the world, but the idea that there are people, you mentioned Klaus Schwab and others, who would be so dedicated to bringing down America, What do you suppose it is, whether in someone like that or the people that collaborated with him, whether it's Fauci or the Democratic Party, what do you think it is that gives them such a fully formed hatred of America and a plan to want to bring it down? Well, in many of these people's minds, they think they're actually bringing about a good, right? Because evil doesn't always come in this form of violence where it's easy to name, it's easy to see, right?

of times it comes. It looks 99% good and it's just that one percent that twists on the truth that is actually the evil part. And in the end, it doesn't matter. So if you look at Anthony Fauci, if you look at Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, for instance, perhaps they truly believe that what they're doing with this great reset, what they have in mind for the New America is something that will actually be good in the end. But that doesn't take away from the fact that when you're dealing with the seizure of God-given liberties, that that is an evil to those who live in America and are born into a country where individual rights are supposed to be cherished and upheld. So evil comes in many forms, but I just think that the left saw at this particular time in

American history that all the ducks were in a row. We have a feckless president in the White House who's able to be influenced and steamrolled over pretty much everything that should stand for America. And more importantly, we have a nation that has turned away from God. We have a nation that has grown more and more secular, meaning more and more reliant on government to provide. And so when you have this sort of meeting of ideologies, it becomes easy for big government types to come in and influence and exert powers where normally they wouldn't be allowed to. Well, I guess I'm still struggling with trying to process who, for example, in the Democratic Party, if you had talked to Governor Cuomo five years ago and sat him down, I can imagine that, yes,

he's radically pro-abortion. Yes, he's radically, you know, for some kind of pansexual agenda. So he's not a conservative. But the idea that the son of Mario Cuomo would have this inveterate hatred for America and that would want to turn us into a controlled socialistic state, I confess that that is surprising to me. I'm just, I'm still trying to process who among those folks, whether it's Bill Gates or whatever, has had these ideas and has been nursing them along waiting for such a time as this.

Well, the Democrat Party has changed radically in just the last few years. This is not the party of JFK days. And it's not even the party of Bill Clinton error because Bill Clinton, as much as he was morally bankrupt and as much as I personally disagreed with much of his political platforms and ideas, you didn't get the idea that Bill Clinton hated America, right? He governed in his own way. But you never got the idea that he wanted to tear it. down America. Now, Barack Obama, a different Democrat entirely. He was the guy that came in and swore that he was going to change the foundations of America. And some of the things he did as president just stretched beyond the boundaries of law and order. In fact, many of his executive orders were

ultimately reeled back by the court systems. But Barack Obama was a new breed of Democrat. And he ushered in all these types of influences that seemed. to me watching from a distance at the time much more socialist and even cultural Marxism than they were constitutional or individual liberties. So I believe the speed up of this takeover in America from the socialist, from the communist type collectivist forces really took place and grew under Barack Obama. Well, it's interesting because you mentioned Bill Clinton. I agree with you exactly on your assessment of Bill Clinton. His wife is another story.

I can't quite figure out where she's coming from because you get the impression that she and Obama sort of hate each other, but they seem to be willing to move along with this zeitgeist, you know, this socialistic, communistic zeitgeist, because it helps them or that it helps her, I should say,

I never would have thought of her as much as I don't like her as dedicated to this kind of a vision. Or do you suppose that people like Hillary Clinton and Biden that they're just going along with this because it suits them, because it helps them? Well, I think they're so they're so indebted to the system, to the political system, right? that they're, they're surrounded by their political power circle. And they've, they've been swept along by this same political power circle for so many years that at this point in time, they're not going to buck any system that could actually destroy the country that could actually destroy America. I always viewed Hillary Clinton as much more opportunistic and ambitious for her own selfish

gain than hateful of America. And again, that's different from how I viewed Barack Obama, who outright I saw is detesting all that America stood for and stands for. It's extraordinary. Folks, I'm talking to Cheryl Chumley, who's the author of a brand new book titled Lockdown, The Socialist Plan to Take Away Your Freedom. We'll be right back. My website is Ericmetaxis.com, and this radio website is metaxis.com. go away. Hey there, folks. Eric Metax is here. As you know, our friend, and he's a real friend, Mike Lindell, has a passion to help everyone get the best sleep of their life. But he didn't stop by simply creating the best pillow. Now Mike has done it again by introducing his My Slippers. My Slippers, they're unbelievable. I know all about them. But I got to tell you, for a limited time,

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who is with the Washington Times, who's written a new book called Lockdown, The Socialist Plan, to Take Away Your Freedom. So, Cheryl, let's get into some of the specifics. What is this plan to take away our freedom? Put some meat on the proverbial bones. Well, I'll give you two examples. First off, the Great Reset and how it redefines capitalism.

Right now, in America, have a capitalistic system that considers shareholders, the needs of the shareholders. It's based on profit loss, right? You want to make money for your shareholders and so forth, a very clean, pure honest system. The Great Reset wants to change the definition of shareholder capitalism into one called stakeholder capitalism, where the reason you go into business is to please your stakeholders with stakeholders defined as anybody and everybody with a social justice cause. So instead of being in business to make money, you'll be in business to make money, yes, but also to further the causes of Black Lives Matter or radical environmentalism or whoever else

comes along as the next social justice player. So if you think of what that does to a free market, to a capitalistic system in America, it changes the whole equation. It changes the idea of somebody in high school dreaming of owning his or her own business to provide for self and family. into businesses becoming just a tool of the next far-left political causes. And that is more akin to what China does with its businesses and communist countries do with their businesses. They work hand in hand with the government than what a free market is supposed to. And the biggest peril, though, that I see here is the switch over the last couple years

from a country that was based on individualism into a country that is now walking down a path toward a mindset of collectivism. Think of how the government, the bureaucrats, the politicians, have shamed American citizens into wearing face masks or into social distancing or into staying home or getting even shots of vaccines. It's all about what's good for your neighbor, what's good for the other person. And the big lie here is even when the data comes in and shows that certain activities recommended or mandated by the government, don't do what they said they were supposed to do, like face masks. If it makes a neighbor feel good, you're supposed to wear it anyhow. That is a big mindset shift. That's where we turn the corner from individualism into collectivism.

And that's what's so shocking, because if you have any sense of history, you know, it reminds one of what it would be like to live in China during the Cultural Revolution, what it would be like to live in East Germany in the 60s or 70s or in the Soviet Union. These are as fundamentally anti-American visions as anything you could think of. It's horrifying. And it's been horrifying to me to see the erosion of a common vision in America. I talk about this a lot. I wrote a book called If You Can Keep It, the Forgotten Promise of American Liberty.

We have not been teaching this for decades. And because of that, there's a vacuum. There's an idea vacuum. And so people, when these things happened, they ought to have responded immediately and said, what? No, no, not in America. We don't do. Are you crazy?

No, I'm not going to listen to somebody. But somehow people went along with it. They'd been kind of inoculated against thinking for themselves or having a robust vision of what it means to be free that had an act. feet over the decades. And so that to me was part of the horror of this. But the good news for me is that these bad things have woken up some people, as I think you probably know, that there are people waking up because things are so bad. They say, wait a second, wait a minute. So even a lot of people going along with it, I think a lot of people I'm seeing are waking up. I'll have to agree with you that a lot of people are waking up. And I think you did a really good job of laying out the horror

of what happened. You nailed it when you said that these things, responses of American citizens used to be automatic, right? It used to be to, if somebody told us to stay home from church, close the church doors, collectively, we would all stand up and say, what, are you crazy? And we got to the point where we actually considered that as a common sense approach. And then we started doing things out of concern for others, regardless of what the facts told us ourselves. And so we have to get back to the point in America where instead of having to sit down and think about liberty and how to approach an issue with liberty minds,

we have to be able to do this automatically again because it's only when we can remember and bring back the times of automatic response with liberty that government will be held at bay. Government will not even try to tread there because they know that they won't be able to get away with it with the American people. The backlash is real, but I think it needs to be wider, it needs to be louder, and it needs to be a lot more organized than just a few spots around America.

So what do you see happening as we go forward? I mean, I have just met more and more people who are waking up, who are doing things. It's sort of taken us time to kind of regroup and, you know, figure out what do we do. But I think that there are a lot of people waking up. And of course, eventually truth and facts and things come out and they begin to be reported. So we're in a battle, but I'm cautiously optimistic. What is your sense of the next couple of years ahead? I think we're headed down a similar path once again, and I base that on the left's own words. On the very same day, my book lockdown came out. Bill Gates's next book, How to Prevent the Next pandemic came out. And not to mention, you know, just as a quick side note, that's the ultimate

arrogance in preventing a pandemic. Anyhow, he's not gone. But many of the things that he says that we need to do to so-called prevent the next pandemic are the very same things that I've worn about in lockdown that the left wants to do to continue the clamp down. So the thing is outing the left is step one, getting American citizens to see the big battlefield is step two. But the bigger fight here is realizing that everybody in America who values liberty has to take a stand. We can't just sit at home and let somebody else do it because that's what the left is counting on. The left is counting on the fight being too uncomfortable for the average citizen to make so they can go forward and steamroll over our civil liberties once again. I think you sum it up perfectly. I could not

agree more. I hope my listeners will get a copy of the book Lockdown, the Socialist, plan to take away your freedom. And Cheryl, your website is Cheryl Chumley.com. Is that right? Yes, it is. Thank you. Cheryl Chumley.com. Cheryl Chumley, thank you for the book. Thank you for your voice. And again, I hope people will get a copy of lockdown, the socialist plan to take away your freedom. Very, very vital information. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. Thank you so much. Some of my dearest friends have not yet seen 2,000 mules.

And I want to say publicly on the air, they're dead to me. Do you understand? You're dead to me. Maybe not, but go see the film. The film, I'm legally obliged to say that I'm involved in the film. I'm in the film wearing green pants. You could see, if you want to know who I am, I'm the guy wearing green pants. My character in the film wears green pants.

And those pants are, they're going to be in the Smithsonian. soon next to Fonzie's jacket and the ruby slippers and Archie's chair. But if you want to see the pants themselves, instead of taking a trip to the Sonian, why don't you just go to the theater this weekend? Go to 2000 and Mules.com. You can plug in your zip code. It'll tell you where the nearest theater is. But I feel like every American needs to see this film and needs to exhort others to see it.

I'm, as I said, legally obliged to let you know that Salem, we are on Salem Radio Network. Salem participated in the production of this film. You can see it at Salem now.com. And I, as one of the stars of the film, now I do my own stunt work. I've been very open about that. I don't care. But as one of the stars of the film, I participate in the back end. Now, it's so minuscule.

It annoys me that I have to mention this. It's like, really? But yes, evidently legally, I'm obliged to do that. But so if you want to put like a shiny nickel in my pocket, go see the film. Yeah, by the way, if you go to see the film, you do have to buy your own ticket that because you're in the film, you get a free box of gummy bears. That's right. Everybody who participates in the film, when you go to the theater, you get a free, free box

of gummy bears. Now, we should be clear that the film is important. And I earnestly desire that not only would every Americans see it, but that we would have a national conversation about it. You can't have a national conversation about it if you haven't seen the film. If you've only seen a trailer or something, there's a lot in it. You need to know what's in it, folks, because it will change your view of things. No matter what you believe, you'll have a different view of confidence,

a different confidence that you know what happened. So I want to say that. I should also say, Albin, some people keep asking me to update this. So I'll just say this. As you know, because of a guest that I had on this show like a year ago, I'm being sued. I can't get into the details. But it's amazing. It's just part of the cancel culture.

It's part of this chilling effect. People are trying to shut people up. So I'm being sued. The legal fees for that are very significant. we were knocked, as you know, off of YouTube. The financial hit from that is very, very significant. So if you want to help, you can help by going to give, send, go. If you subscribe to my newsletter, Eric Mataxis.com, sometimes at the end of that,

we put a link to the give send go page for Eric Metaxus. But I can use your help. We're in a battle. we trust God. Our job is to do the right thing, not to worry too much about the circumstances. I mean, just to simply worry about doing the right thing, not to shrink back and say, oh, I better be careful.

Of course we better be careful, but most people are on the side of being too careful. And if everybody would speak up, if everyone would use their voice and risk pushback or risk whatever it is, it would be easier for everyone. And so that's kind of, we need to be in this together. So as I say,

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