The Eric Metaxas Show - Chris Reed and Rick Joyner

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

Chris Reed and Rick Joyner from MorningStar Ministries discuss what may be up ahead for the nation, good and bad, and what the church can do to get back in the driver's seat.

to the Eric McTaxe show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Hey there. Merry Christmas. Chris? Hello. How are you? What happened? What have you done with Albin? Well, I put him in a metal box, a plane, actually, and sent him to Texas for the holidays. Really? No, I know. He's in Houston right now. At least he claims to be in Houston. You know, I shouldn't say this on the air, but Albin is famous for lying.

Nothing he has ever said is true. Yeah. And so when he says he's going to Houston, I don't know if that's true. But he's like that character from the Leonardo DiCaprio movie where he plays all these different aliases and he has disguises. He's a con man. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So anyway, since Albin's not here, I'm going to be bouncing some ideas off of you.

Is that okay? Yeah, let's do it. I know if you'd been warned, you would have gotten dressed up, but nobody told you. Okay, you ready? First of all, my guest today is Chris Reed, who's the new head of Morning Star Ministries. Because I don't know if people heard Rick Joyner died. Just kidding. I don't think that's true.

No, Rick is going to be on the show with Chris, just to prove that he's alive. He's very much alive. But Rick, I've known Rick for years. I just got to know Chris Reed. Just wonderful, delightful friends and brothers in faith. And so we're going to be talking to them about the prophetic. I don't buy into that crazy stuff. Everybody knows.

I never would buy into that crazy stuff because I'm a hyper-reformed, you know, John MacArthurite. Yeah. But we're going to have fun talking to them. So buckle your seatbelts because it could get crazy. We could get some prophecies and secret sins and stuff. But yesterday I got a phone call. No, I got an email from John Zmirach. And John Zmirich, now those of you who were listening to this program a year ago,

remember that John Zemirik wrote a parody version of Mary, Did You Know, the Christmas Carol, and it's Biden, did you know? And it was Biden, did you know, that, you know, your, friends stole the election for you. Not that we would ever doubt whether he's the actual fake president of the United States. We don't do that on this program because we don't want to get shadow banned or, you know, any of that stuff. Sure. But John Zmirak wrote a brilliantly funny thing. And we made a video. You and I, I perform and sing the lyrics to Biden, did you know? And it just went nuts. And tons of people commented on. It made a lot of people angry. We lost

some friends. Well, it was the pentatonic's version with the Bacapelah Group. Right. So it's kind of cheesy and, you know, it's kind of like it has a pet shop boys little vibe in there somehow. And anyway, but this year, John sent me last night, John Smirak, sent me the 12 days of Vaxmas instead of the 12 days of Christmas. And we're not going to perform it or anything like that, but I want to tell you, folks, this is brilliant. It's, I'm going to give you a taste of it. It's like, you know, in the first month of Vaxmus, Dr. Fauci sent to me a virus worse than hep C on the second day. You know, it goes on and on, but it builds and builds.

Five YouTube bands. No, what is it? In the six months of Vaxmus, Dr. Fauci sent to me six feet of distance. five YouTube bands four useless masks three false tests two weeks of lockdown and it goes on on but the one that killed me

that is it's kind of dark yeah how dark how dark is it's very dark it's classic Zmirat where he just goes too dark and you don't want to show the kids right but it was well he's in the 11th month of Vaxmus Dr. Fauci sent to me

11 jobless nurses 10 amendments shredded nine fetal kidneys. That's too dark. Eight humanized mice. Last night I couldn't fall asleep because I was laughing to the line. Eight humanized mice. Yeah, because I think that's actually a real news story.

The whole thing's real. But I'm thinking most people I'm going to get the joke. So you've got to read John Zmirak's articles on the vaccine because it's so gruesome and sick. But he put it in here. Then it goes seven doctors lying, six feet of distance, five years. But I think... So the humanized mice was...

was cute in the nutcracker, for example. Right. But it's funny because... It's funny because it's so sick you have to make a joke. Because NIH was actually doing these, you know, Foucho. Oh, this is horrible. No, it's so sick. Anyway, the point of all this is to say that we're going to put out,

the Biden did you know, parody. We're going to send it out again just in case you didn't know that maybe the election was stolen. We would never say that on this program, remember. But the Biden did you know thing was. taken off of everywhere, but we managed to have it one place. It's still online. Yeah, we found a version of it. We've been banned. So we're going to tell you to go to stream.org, find the John Smirak article where he prints the lyric. We has the lyrics to the 12 days of Vaxmas.

And if you sing it with your family and like make a decent video, whoever makes the best video version of this and sends it to us. Yeah, well, share. I will send you a raft of signed books and stuff because we want to encourage you to do that with your families. It's very funny. It's very funny.

Okay, Tucker Carlson. Who's that? I don't know. Tucker Carlson had me on his Fox Nation program to talk for over an hour about everything, and they're going to air a clip of it tomorrow on his Fox News. on the 8 o'clock program, 8 o'clock Eastern.

So that's exciting. Very cool. So tomorrow night, unfortunately, I'm going to be at Chris Himes' Christmas party tomorrow night. So, Chris, because of you, I can't see my appearance on Tucker Carlson. Well, you can tape it. Do people still tape things? Why did you invite me? You knew.

It was my wife's idea. Maybe we could turn the TV on at your house, and I can get away from the eggnog and watch myself on Tucker Carlson tomorrow at 8 p.m. Don't miss it. Now, what part are they going to air? They don't tell me. So they record a whole hour for the... They record an hour, and then they pull out a clip. And then to promote Fox Nation, because they want people to go to Fox Nation,

and sign up and pay money and, you know, to watch the whole interview. And... So they could edit any part and hear that. But they also told me, and this I got to say is amazing, that on Friday night, so it's going to air tomorrow night, Wednesday, but on Friday night, they are going to have a Christmas Eve special, Tucker Carlson. And they said they're also airing a clip from my interview with him on Friday night. So you can tell that I'm excited because I'm hoping that people will get copies of my book.

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Rick, Chris, welcome. Well, good to be with you. Yeah, good to see you again. Don't get too excited. This could end at any time. I could pull the plug on this interview at any point. You know, Rick, I was joking that you passed away in a hang gliding accident and that Chris took over the ministry. But evidently, you're very much alive.

You're looking vibrant. Why would you pass over Morningstar ministries to a young pup like Chris Reed? That's my first question, but I'm not going to let you answer it yet. First, I want you to tell me, or maybe I'll tell my audience, that you founded Morning Star in 1985. So you've been doing this thing for a long time. Maybe, I don't know, tell my audience who don't know about Morning Star, what is Morning Star, and then explain why you turned over to that young, that kid sitting to your left?

Well, Morning Star is a multifaceted ministry. We have churches, fellowship of churches, ministries. We have publishing. We published, I don't know how many books. We have music recording. We have television. We bought the old Heritage USA property is now our headquarters. We call it Heritage International. So we have a conference center. We host conferences. We do just about everything we can in order to take over the world. Now, if you want me to explain why I'm turning all this over to Chris, it could be insanity. But honestly, I believe that it is something the Lord has ordained. and I'm honestly very excited about it. So you think it's a God thing?

Because in the natural it makes no sense, because I've met Chris Reed, and frankly, I'm not impressed. All right. Well, it's just a joy to have the two of you here. Chris, you just want to explain to my audience. You move in the prophetic. Even that term is sort of like an inside baseball term. He moves in the prophetic.

What does that even mean? But God speaks to you. We've had you on the program. before. And I think it's important. I believe that God speaks prophetically today, but the big question is always, how do you know? How do you know that it's real? How do you know? And both of you know that there are a lot of people out there claiming that God is speaking to them. Not all of them are doing it accurately. It gets, sometimes there's an echo chamber. You know, a lot of prophets said, you know, Trump would get a second term.

He's going to win. And it was like emphatic. There was no question. And then obviously we had the chaos of what I like to call the stolen election and the end of democracy. But so how do you all process that? Because you're more in that world than I am. When you get a lot of people saying things, how do you know what is the flesh and what is the Lord? I just would love to hear either of you or both of you comment on that before we get into specifically what you think God's been saying to you, Chris.

Well, I feel that it's something that you learn to trust knowing that it's God. Hebrews 514 says that our senses are developed and matured by reason of use. So just after a period of time of test and verify, you learn. to distinguish between the voice of your mind and the voice of the Holy Spirit. And so, you know, over the number of years, I've learned to distinguish the two. I certainly don't claim to have it all right or understand. I guess I'm a little bit, I'm a little less interested in you personally because I do trust you. But I'm talking about in the prophetic world, there are people who are, I, in other words,

maybe what I'm trying to say is that, you know, when somebody claims to speak for God, that's just huge. And it strikes me that there are people, good people, who maybe they're, sometimes they're just driving off the edge of the road a little bit. They're not, they're kind of interpreting as they are saying what God said. So they're giving you a little bit of what they think it is, and that you can get wrong. Does that make sense? In other words, there's different kinds of, I mean, if God speaks to you really clearly

and you report on exactly what he said, you really can't go wrong. But if you try to talk about it, people get confused with, I mean, I think it was, I'm trying to think, I think maybe a few years ago I had Mark Taylor on the program, and he said that he sees a red tsunami. This was the 2018 midterm elections, right? And I said, wait a second, do you, is that what you think is happening, or did God say that to you? Because the way he said it, he's a prophet, it sounds like that's what God said. And when I asked him that, he said, oh, no, no, that's my thing.

And I was like, well, Mark, that's a big difference because if you say it, I can process it as this is a man with a point of view and whatever. But if God said it, it's a different thing. But it was only when I prodded him. I said, well, wait a minute, was that you? And I think that a lot of times the reason folks who maybe don't trust the prophetic get confused is because some people who are really deep into it, they're more comfortable with it and they're not as careful, not realizing that there's some people that just don't understand those lines. I think you just answered your own question. What a lousy interviewer? Yeah, you have to distinguish.

between what God is actually saying to you and what are your own impressions. And we need to do that in our conversation if we have a reputation for being prophetic. No question. That should be done. But on the other hand, this is not a science. It's a relationship. You know, the only way I know your voice, I've known you long enough, as soon as you started talking, I knew that's Eric talk.

and not just one of the engineers there. But that's only because I've heard your voice and I've come to know it. And I think it's the same with the Lord. You've got to be with him. He said his sheep know his voice and they follow him because they know his voice in John 10. So it's a matter of knowing him and getting closer to him and being able to distinguish his voice from all the other multitudes. of voices that there are. Well, I should ask you, Rick, just because I haven't seen you in a while,

have you heard from the Lord about where we are as a nation? I mean, I've talked to Chris about this, but I don't think I've asked you this on this program. I can't remember, but where we are as a nation, whether we think Trump will be back, you know, all the stuff that's going on the crazy. Have you heard from the Lord anything you can share about what, what you're thinking about that? Well, yes, I've heard quite a bit, but all of it would still be part.

We all see in part. We all know in part. So we have to put the part we've been given together with what others are hearing. I don't think the Lord gives the whole picture to anyone. But I've been given part, and I believe the part I've been given is clear. I think it fits with what Chris is.

getting and other people that I know. But sometimes I've also found that when it even seems to conflict, later you find out, no, it really fit together. It's just you weren't able to see that part yet. Can you share with us what the Lord has spoken to you? I mean, I just would, I'd be very interested. I am very interested in hearing that. Well, the most graphic, clear word from the law. Lord I got came in a dream in 2018, December of 2018, when he showed me a history from heaven's perspective. One thing, I've studied history for over 50 years, and I was shocked at how different heaven's perspective was of our history than ours was. So anyway, I was looking at like a big screen and I realize as I moved to the right, it moved from the past to the present. So I

raced to the end to see what's going on right now. And I saw in these big fiery letters, the second American revolution slash civil war is inevitable. It is right. And it will be successful. I now that I remember now that you mentioned that I do know that I read that that you had said that and I'm tracking with that I haven't heard from the Lord in the way you did but I track with that and when we come back I want to ask both of you what does that mean because I don't think it means guns it could but I don't think it does we'll be right back folks I've got the joy of speaking with my friends Rick Join her and Chris Reid don't go away. When we finally kiss, good night. How I'll hate going out in a storm. But if you'll really hold me tight, all the way home I'll be warm. The fire is slowly dying.

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Rick, you just said something huge and important. You said that the Lord spoke to you. Now, I love the fact that there are people listening to this program or watching who don't even believe in any of this stuff. So we're going to challenge them here. But you said that the Lord spoke to you, showed you, that what is coming is a second American revolution, a second civil war. before I read that you had said that months ago, I've effectively been saying the same thing.

That's what it feels like. But tell us more about that, because I don't get the sense that that means we're taking up arms, or do you think that's possible? What do you think the Lord said to you? And also, I'm sure there are many people that think that even to mention this, we should be locked up because, you know, we're a clear and present danger to the Republic, even by mentioning this metaphorically. So what do you think?

Unpack anything you can. Well, I was first shown this in 1987 that America was headed towards a Civil War Revolution. But I took it as if you don't change your direction, you're going to end up where you're headed. And we still had plenty of time to change our direction. And that's the way I was moving, praying, but, you know, doing what I was doing. But in the dream I had in 2018, when I was shown clearly that, no, it is now inevitable.

We crossed some kind of line then. And the Civil War Revolution is inevitable. So that changed my thinking from trying to avoid it, help us in any way to avoid what is coming. to preparing for it. It is coming. And of course, it would still be my ultimate hope and any same person's ultimate hope that it would not degenerate into violence.

There are a lot of ways to fight wars besides using guns and bombs. There are economic wars. There are all kinds of different ways to do it. But what I saw in that dream was, no, it was physical fighting in our streets, in our cities, it was worse than I've ever even expressed publicly. I still think with repentance, with really fulfilling Second Chronicles 714 and all,

even though it may be inevitable, it can be lessened. The damage, the destruction, the death and the wounding could be lessened greatly. And we need to still do everything that we can to help that. But I do believe we've crossed the line where it's already become violent. Well, I was going to say, I feel like we're in that right now. In other words, I've often said, I was on Steve Bannon's program some months ago, I said, we are in a war. I didn't mean a war where people take up arms. But the point is it's an ideological war.

It's a media war. It's a war of ideas. But the point is that it is a, it is a war. war for the soul of the nation. We cannot be the free republic that we have been if we continue down the path that, you know, the current administration, in quotes, would take us. Clearly, we're moving toward madness, toward Marxist, cultural Marxism has taken over intersectionality, transgender, critical race. All of this stuff is madness. It is false. It is harmful. to people. And if you care about truth and you care about freedom, you know that you're in a war.

Now, so the question is, what does that mean? What kind of a war is it? So you, you're saying that God spoke to you that it's more than a war of ideas, that it could degenerate into violence. But yeah, I mean, there has been violence. I guess I'm just not sure. I don't know if, Chris, if you want to jump in and tell us what you think of what we're, talking about. Yeah, so I think that there is a clear realignment of nations while simultaneously we're seeing the fall of Babylon. I'm talking about an alignment of globalist nations that have currently ruled the day, so to speak. And I think we're going to see in the next few years a real real alignment

of some nations that were not as influential making headlines, suddenly making headlines, and ones that used to be making the headlines, not so much. But I definitely agree with Rick's dream and the conversation. We have to save our nation. But it's got to be more than a political reformation or the right president. It has to be a real repentance and moving, a third great awakening.

There has to be a, because the, the civil war is really in a cultural place right now, the cultural war. We've seen shutter glimpses of it getting physical, like in 2020 in the streets, during COVID and all of that. But at the root of it, the only thing that is going to really fix this at the core is a move of God and a restoration of Judeo-Print, biblical values that ultimately could come with a moving of God's Holy Spirit. I'm tracking with all of that.

I'm glad I have you both on for some time because this is so vitally important. Rick, you and I have talked about Bonhofer and how that is a warning to the, that story is a warning to the church. When we come back, we'll just continue the conversation talking to Rick Joyner and Chris Reed. It's the Eric Taxi Show. Children sing their song. Hey folks, I've got to tell you a secret about relief factor that the father, son,

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Or call 800, 500, 500, 800, 800, 8,000, 800. 8384 relief factor.com. I use it. It works. Hey, gang. Welcome back. I'm talking to my friends Rick Joyner and Chris Reed. They're with Morning Star Ministries. And Rick, you were talking about a dream that God gave you a couple years ago. And Chris, you're kind of weighing in on this. Why don't we talk just to, you know, throw it into the pot here. about what God spoke to you recently, Chris, that you were talking about. I can't remember it was a vision or a dream, but share that if you would. Yeah, it was actually on Thanksgiving Day 2021.

And the Lord began to show me in a time of prayer that the source of all of the COVID hysteria, which has led to the many problems from the 2020 election onward, is in China, the Red Dragon of the East. It is China. It is in China. Okay. And so this is three weeks ago. You're praying and you feel, and again, my confidence with you, when you say stuff like this, is high, which is why I have you on the program, you're saying that God made it clear to you that the madness in which we currently find ourselves is from China.

So what do we mean by that? Talk about that. So it played out like a movie in front of me as I was in prayer. I was caught up in this experience. And basically, obviously, we all know that COVID-19 originated out of China, but I don't think it was an accident. I think it was intentionally planned and to disrupt the global nations, the order. ultimately to influence the 2020 elections, because at the beginning of 2020, President Donald Trump was, he came out of the, you know, the struggles that he had had with Congress, and everybody knew he was cruising to re-election.

And because Donald Trump had placed all of the trade tariffs, he was basically taking it to China. all the unfair trade balance issues of the past, they were suffering. And they knew, I believe there were powers behind the throne that knew that they could capitalize or a more lenient president that would be more catering to China's interest and advancement in the world that if the difficulties of a once in a 100-year worldwide pandemic would hit, in an election year, that the leadership is going to absorb a lot of the blame of the difficulties. That's just the nature of how it is. And so I think it was strategic planned that this would hurt Trump. But I think this was an unorthodox thing they've done with releasing COVID-19.

I don't think that it was the last unorthodox attempt, but I think there will be other acts of frankly acts of war. And the Lord showed me that beginning in the South China Sea, that there would be something that would happen that would begin this Chinese enlargement, an attempt, because they're unchecked by the current administration in the United States, that it would begin by an aggression towards Taiwan, ultimately in broader Asia, and, And I even saw their influence trying to reach up into southern Africa. And it would be an attempt to basically assault the world. COVID-19 was all about forcing governments to enlarge,

taking more of a socialist, big government approach, bailouts and, you know, COVID assistance and all of this. And the spirit of Marxism is behind all of this. And I think the spirit of Marxism is, of course, in Europe and Russia. But I think its strongest hold in the world right now is China. The spirit of Marxism, communism, is harnessing China, trying to advance its borders and large its influence predominantly through China. And I think the first blow was COVID. It's not the last.

And I think they know they have a window of time in 2022 because, there's a good chance that the 2022 midterm elections, the Congress will swing back right. And so they know they have this window of time to really try to advance Marxism that has already influence our culture. It's influencing American education, politics, the strength of the Democratic Party is on the left wing, the AOC wing. But ultimately, I think God is going to frustrate that effort, although they will gain some serious advancement, as Russia is doing right now on the border of Ukraine, they are both Russia and China, the bear of the north and the Red Dragon of the East, are doing everything they can to break the leash and chain that's held them

in their quarters. Well, you know, a lot of this, I'm tracking with you in what we call the natural. In other words, it makes sense. Even if you don't believe that you had a vision from God three weeks ago. Even if you don't believe that, and you look at it and you look at the facts, it seems clearer and clearer that China chose to capitalize on this. Even if it escaped, even if they didn't let it out intentionally, let's say it escaped, they chose to let people from Wuhan province fly all around the world. In other words, they effectively seem to have chosen to let this thing affect the whole world. That, to me, is nothing less than an act of war.

Lots of people have actually died from this, and those numbers have been inflated, and that's, you know, that's another controversy. but the point is that this strikes me as an act of war. I don't see how else you see it. And it seems to me that if Trump were on his game, he would have treated it as an act of war. I think they kind of caught him in a way he got confused and kind of played the role that they assigned for him. And that's what led to everything.

Yeah, well, he had just survived impeachment. literally COVID came on the very end of the first impeachment of President Trump. But I'll tell you, Eric, I don't think this is where it ends. I think that there's several things that the Lord has begun. I was just sharing with Rick this morning. I think there's such a shakeup of the nations. You know, the book of Hebrews talks about. Actually, this is too good.

We're going to hit pause. When we come back, I just want you to, let's see. Let us have it. Folks, this is just spectacular. Don't go away. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to Rick Joyner and Chris Reed.

So, Chris, you are unpacking some heavy stuff here. Just continue from where you were. Yeah, I think there's just a real serious shakeup of the world globalist dynamics right now. I feel like some of the things that I think are going to come in 2022 and 23, the Lord has really began to show me at first over a strong impression and then recently just some real vivid experiences that I am convinced is the voice of the Lord in light of our previous discussion earlier. Number one, I think the current Pope has just been someone to fill a space of time. I think he's not going to be on the scene much longer.

In fact, I saw a digression of his health that ultimately there would be a replacement, him stepping down or dying. I wasn't clear about that, but that ultimately a younger pope that would be a real sheep in wolves clothing. You mean a wolf in sheep's clothing? Forgive me. So you believe, and again, when you folks, maybe you don't know Chris, I know Chris, if you believe God, said this to you, this is significant. You're saying, you believe God said to you that Pope Francis, that you saw a decline in his health coming and that he would have to step down. Now, I think he's as bad as it gets. You're saying a younger, more harmful pope will take his place. That's what

you saw? Yeah, I think he was just a delayed pope, you might say, a time-fills. A time-fills. I think as bad as Francis is, he is nothing compared to the younger Pope that will come after him, that I think he will ultimately rise up on the scene. And, you know, the Catholic Church, obviously they own so much real estate and have so much power in the world, even to this day. But their level of influence has over the last number of years not been talked about as much as it was, say, 40, 50 years ago. But I think that's another thing that's going to change. It's a part of the shakeup. I know there are good Catholics. I know there are spirit-filled Catholics,

and I'm not attacking Catholic people. I'm talking about the institution itself at being one of the main cornerstones of the Babylonian system that is going to apex in power and influence just before the coming of the Lord and that the Lord will deal with the brightness of his coming. So I think this next Pope that we're on the verge of seeing rise on the scene, and I feel the Holy Spirit while I'm talking about this, he will be a picture. I'm not saying he's like some false prophet. He may be, but I think he is going to raise the Catholic Church's power and influence and will come on the seen peaceful, but it will suddenly change and their influence and power will greatly increase. And there's one last thing I want to say because I feel released by the Lord to share this.

I don't think President Joe Biden, tongue in cheek, is going to be president by the time the end of his first term. I had an encounter recently where I saw him. It was in the White House, and he was sitting in the background, but it was like he was very stupefied. But I knew that it was more than just the state of mind. It was a serious health crisis that forced him out of office. And I then saw Kamala Harris walk through a back door, which I think was a picture. She would come through a back door and would either be president or act as president. All right. We're going to have to put a pin in it. This is hour one, folks. I'm going to drag my friends Rick and Chris over into hour two. Join us in hour two. Obviously, you want to hear the rest of this. I certainly do.