The Eric Metaxas Show - Christina and Jarret LeMaster

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

Christina and Jarret LeMaster share their experience with homeschooling and Legacy Christian Schools. More at: https://legacychristianpsp.com/

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event, not the World Economic Forum kind of secret elite event, the good kind. And it was just wonderful, and I got to connect with my friends, some of the friends from the Babylon B. For example, Jared LeMaster, he was there, and we can. And I said, hey, Jared, why don't we have some fun in my radio program at some point? Because your wife, Christina, is all about this homeschooling thing. And I'm all about it. And guess what? Here they are.

Jared. Christina, welcome. Hey, thank you, Eric. Hello. It happened so quickly. It's like, but boom, here we are. I know. I feel like we were just hanging out.

In fact, we were. We were just hanging out. You were wearing tweet jackets, herringbone. I know, you've got me so confused. When you commented on my jacket the other day in a derisive, scornful way, that really hurt me. And I just need to get an apology from you because it just wounded me. Your humor is wounding humor, which is the best kind. All I said was, is that real herringbone?

Is that real herring bone? Which is the most bizarre question? It's like saying, is that real, you know, fake? Is that real artificial? like what is real herringbone? The term herringbone, now we have to get into this, don't we? Christine, I apologize. But if your husband hadn't attacked me in terms of my sororial choices,

we could be talking about homeschooling right now. But first, we've got to explain to people. Haringbone, herringbone refers to, Jared, do I need to break this down? Do you want to say this? Do you want to say this? Well, no, I mean, from what I understand, Eric, for all of the listeners out there. Here we go. Herring bone.

Herring bone is a pattern that's based on the bones of a herring. Correct. A herring, the fish. If you look at the bones of it, it's got this kind of, whatever, a certain kind of structure. And so whenever people see that structure, they refer to it as herring bone. And, of course, clothing is woven in a herring bone pattern often. And this goes down, this goes to the time of Jesus, basically. I mean, I think that the shroud of Jesus, if anybody goes into the shroud, that that was a herringbone pattern.

So you were dissing the Lord on some level by making fun of my ringbone. I think his garment that didn't have any seams was herringbone. That's right. And then his outer layer was tweed. Yeah. And then there was tweed. That's right. So the tweet is a whole other thing.

way we've, you've wasted enough time, Jared. Let's talk about homeschooling. Let's let's let's talk about homeschooling. But seriously, if people aren't familiar with the Babylon B, they ought to be familiar with the Babylon B. But I wanted to talk to you because you were telling me about your wife, Christina, who's our guest as well, about this homeschooling initiative. So let's start there. First of all, Christina, tell us about yourself. What's what's with the homeschooling initiative? What's it called? Well, the school that I run is called Legacy Christian, PSP, it's in Southern California. And so I started off as a, I was actually homeschooled in the 80s when only weird people

homeschooled. Wait a minute, you were homeschooled back in the 80s when all the mothers had to wear long jean skirts. Yes. You were schooled back then? I was, yes. On the prairie. Yeah.

My dad actually would listen to talk radio. He's a huge fan of yours. He actually introduced me to you. Years ago, I started listening to your podcast. So many years. How many years ago could it be? I haven't been doing this that long, but thank you. Forever.

But, no. But anyway, so he was listening to the radio one day, and it was Dr. James Dobson was interviewing Raymond Moore. And he was talking about homeschooling. And my dad was just listening to this thinking, wait, you can take your kids out of school. You don't have to send them to public school. You don't have to send them to Marxist indoctrination camps? Really?

Right. Really? Exactly. So, anyway. So he convinced my mom. My mom was really against it. My brother was going to a private Christian school at the time. And so she went actually to the teacher and was like,

my husband wants me to homeschool. Isn't that crazy? And the teacher was like, no, actually, you should. And that was the last thing my mom expected to hear. But basically, she said, you know, my brother was a quiet kid. And he was falling through the cracks. And he was getting punished by, for not completing his work. and he was told that he couldn't go out for recess and play.

And so my mom really just started to uncover this, and she took a leap of faith, and then they started homeschooling. So that was kind of... I mean, just to sum up, if I can, what you were just saying, is that there's some times, and I think this is rather often, but the point is that, you know,

we have like a one-size-fits-all education system. And even in Christian schools, oftentimes, there's, there can be a semi-weigh, woke agenda. I have experienced. I sent my daughter to a Christian school and the stuff that came back home with her sometimes. I was like, what? What? Like, are you kidding me? Like, you mean that the Christian teachers at your school are this dumb, that they're teaching you stuff that I know is wrong? And that can happen in Christian schools. And so there is no doubt in my mind that the best solution for everybody, pretty much, is homeschooling. That would be my first choice. And when people ask me

about what do I do with my kids or what I get? Homeschooling is almost always the best solution. This is not to put down all Christian schools. Some of them are good. But it's just interesting to me that your brother was in a Christian school. And your mother, as only parents can, had a sense that this is not ideal for him. Right. So I think that the traditional school model, it's not the best. It's not ideal. It can work in certain circumstances. but really it's not the best, most ideal way to teach a children, teach a child. I had the privilege of actually studying at Oxford University. It was just a study abroad program for one semester.

Wait, which university? Oxford University in England. Oxford? Never heard of it. Is that an Oxford cloth shirt or a herringbone? Yes. Okay. When I was there, you know, it's considered one of the greatest universities in the world. And when I was there, literally all we did was the Don would, you know, assign a book to read high-quality literature. I would read the book.

I would write a reflection essay. And then the next week we would go in and I would read this essay out loud one-on-one. That's the best education our world can offer is reading high-quality literature and having discussions. So parents think, oh, I can't do what they do in the classroom. Oh, the teacher's doing all this stuff. And, you know, now with technology being infused into the classroom, a Chromebook in front of every student, and we're supposed to think this is good for our kids,

they can't even read a novel, a classic novel. Everything is so high, fast-paced. I read a really great book called Glow Kids. And it was all about how glow kids. Glow Kids? Yes. Low kids. Yes.

Yeah, it's written by a neuroscientist. It's written, yes. It's a fascinating book. Yeah, it is a fascinating book. But basically, he talks about how screens are affecting our children's brains. And they are not doing anything good. So, you know, why are schools all of a sudden, everybody's on a Chromebook, everybody's on an iPad? But anyway, so back to the whole Oxford thing, that is the best education our world can offer.

And what are we doing for our kids? So people think they can't homeschool. Well, can you read to your kids? Can you pick up? Can you find a list of excellent literature, read it out loud, and then talk about it? Because that's really the best. I am so pro homeschool. It's why I'm so excited to talk to you.

Before we go to the break, remind me, Christina and Jared, what is the name or the website of Legacy Christian School Private Satellite program? What is their website? So it's just legacy Christianpsp.com. Legacy Christian PSP, that's a private satellite program. Legacy ChristianPSP.com. Folks, legacy ChristianPSP.com. I want to encourage people who are listening. Folks, this is for you.

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I speak a lot. I sign a lot of books. I meet people. Whenever I meet homeschool kids and their parents, every single time I'm impressed. And I say, these kids are like a secret weapon. They're going to take over the world because they are so much. this is here's the irony there's so much better socialized that's the irony it's like people's like don't you kids need to be socialized like socialized into lunacy in in in public schools or into whatever

these kids are mature they're like kids from the 19th century where they just feel like they're adults you know at age 16 or whatever and it's it's so impressive so I want to be clear because we didn't say it up front we know Jared's credentials he's got none but Christina you got your BA in English literature and your master's in education from Azusa Pacific. You've been teaching English to middle school and high school students for 15 years. But at the heart of all of this gets our definition of education, which is why homeschooling is so important. It's not just about passing on information. That's a very secular enlightenment view of education.

A Christian view of education, it's about raising young, men and women to be ladies and gentlemen, to have wisdom, to understand that the Bible is the word of God. I mean, all of that stuff ought to be and used to be at the heart of all education, but it's not anymore in secular education. And it's, you really cannot get an education if you avoid these basics, the basics of, is there a God? Who am I in relationship to God? What is God's And that used to be, you know, you mentioned Oxford. I mean, all the universities were founded by Christians centuries ago. And this was at the heart of everything.

And it's been lost. It's all been bleached out and secularized. So this fake idea that so many Christians have that, oh, to get a real education, I need to go to that secular place or I need to go to a place that's already, in a sense, compromised with this secular enlightenment view. Home schooling stands utterly against that. And again, it's why I'm a fan. Legacy Christian.

PSP.com is the website. Legacy Christian. What is Legacy Christian? This is a network. Tell us about what this is. Yeah. So actually, so my parents, being the pioneers that they were, they decided to start this. You know, they call it a co-op.

But it's really a lot more than that. It really is a school. So it started 27 years ago. And then I started helping out with it a few years ago. to kind of, you know, bring it into the current century. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I wasn't really clear on this. So your parents are Bill and Marilyn.

Yeah. Right. Now I get it. So you're the daughter of pioneers. Yes, I am. And so, but it's interesting because I wanted to teach in the public school system and I did. And I'm not really sure why. I think I watched dangerous minds and thought I could make a difference and an impact on this,

you know, broken system. And I quickly realized I really, I couldn't. I mean, I showed up literally 23 years old public school, Title I school in California, which means it's low income. They put 36 students, 36 eighth graders in each five periods. I had over 200 students I was trying to teach English to at 23 years old. Yeah. And so it was just an impossible scenario.

I can't believe you survived. You're alive. You're alive and you look fine. I don't know how that happened. but that's like, that's incredible. Wow. 23. It's like they may as well have fed you to actual wolves, the idea of sweet you.

I looked about 15 at the time too, so that didn't help either. But yeah, so just going into that scenario and then really looking, taking a close look at it and thinking, can I picture my kids here? And I couldn't. So when we had our first child, I actually quit teaching and stayed home. I worked for a public charter school, which was really amazing to be able to work from home as a teacher. So that was really neat. So then we had four boys, and I just really started doing this homeschool thing and building this incredible community of like-minded parents. You have to be so intentional nowadays because, you know, you can think everybody's getting along.

And then what happens is, I'm telling you, Eric, phones are the worst thing to ever happen to our kids. So, you know, we, I would start reading books like glow kids and hold on to your kids and the, you know, books on homeschooling and I'd share them with my friends. We all start talking and it's like, are you going to give your kid a phone? No, I'm not going to give my kid a phone. Let's not, let's all not give our kids phones. So now we've got a huge community where, you know, it's normal for a 15 year old to not have a phone, a smartphone, to not have social media. We call them porn machines. But, I mean, look.

Let's be honest. Phones are a gateway to every kind of dark thing. And the idea that children, I mean, it's like feeding your kids poison or letting your kids go to the candy store where they're getting poison and just going, well, you know, everybody's taking in poison. It affects us on a deep level. And so we need to take a stand against it. And one of the ways to do that, ladies and gentlemen,

is to homeschool your kids. If you want to raise kids who love Jesus and who understand things from a biblical perspective, So I'm just, I'm kind of amazed, really, every time I talk about it. But please keep going, Christina. Yeah. So anyway, so back today, my parents started it 27 years ago. And now it's just grown.

We have four campuses. And how it works is the parents choose the curriculum that they want to use. We recommend, we recommend high quality curriculum. And then the kids all gather once or twice a week for, um, classes. And that's really where I think back in the 80s, what was missing when I was doing it was that consistent community. I like to say that we, there are good things that schools offer. We like to take all those good things and offer that without all of the bad stuff. With the Marxism and the pornography, right?

Yeah, exactly. What a great idea. How do you do that? When you show up to our campus, you know, you will see hundreds of teenagers talking, connecting, having fun without one cell phone insight. That's a really hard stance. That's crazy talk. I don't believe you. That's so great. That is so great. They're talking about like Dostoyevsky, though.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're discussing the Russians. Imagine if Dostoevsky had a smartphone, none of his books would have been written. Crime and Punishment. Never come into existence if only Dostoevsky had had a laptop and a smartphone. Well, on the weird part is all those kids, I just want to interject, like all those kids are incredibly social. They're able to talk with people of all different age ranges,

and they'll walk up and talk to an adult or they'll hang out with a kid that's way younger than them. They'll take care of the kids. It's actually really cool. And I wanted to point this out. We were at this secret meeting all week. Most of the people that I spoke with that were there that have been really, impactful in the culture were homeschooled. And they were homeschooled in like Gothardite homeschool.

So like we're talking about, we would probably say that's not a great thing. And, and, but it's so much better than what you would get in the public school. You know, like even if it's like this weird gothicite idea. Well, gotherdite, I mean, I'm too sophisticated to even know what that is. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, you know, you ever watch the Duggers and all that? No, but I've heard of it.

Yeah. I've heard about it. Yeah. get into that at some point, but you might want to have one of the Duggers on your show. Maybe not. They're really good people. No, they're fascinating people. Yeah.

I don't, I don't, I don't know enough about them to know what I think of them. But all I know is that, uh, you were telling us about Gothardite. What is that referring to? So anyway, but, um, so my parents, um, kind of created this scaffold. And then, um, I think because of what God's done in my life and, um, just in how he's let our family, you know, it's just really blossomed into something incredible. Right here, you would never know there's this huge homeschool movement in Southern California. You know, and I want to be clear about that. I forgot. It is, this is in Southern California where you guys live. And I,

listen, I get to Southern California often, and I am amazed at the Christian community and the churches that are there. A number of the best churches that I could recommend, Jack Gibbs, Rob McCoy, whatever. They're in Southern California. Chey-on, it's amazing to me how strong the Christian community is in Southern California. So when everybody thinks of, you know, Nancy Pelosi and Fiesies, you don't need to think about that. You could think about this kind of stuff. So this is, what do you call, what do you call legacy Christian, legacy Christian, legacy Christian PSP.com is the website. But what do you call what is in, what is in, what, is in Southern California. That's Western Christian PSP? No. No. Actually, so that's how it started off as

connected to a private school. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. That's how it started. Yeah. And then we've launched out, branched out from them a few years ago. But you know what? I think that for parents these days, it's really easy to just kind of go. I think what the mob is doing is there, you know, okay, public school, let's start them as early as possible. Four years old, what preschool are they going to? If you do research on preschool, it really doesn't help your child. Okay, hold on. We're going to be right back. We're talking to Jarrett and Christina Lamaster about homeschooling folks.

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preschool is not a great idea. Now, I got to say that I remember when preschool became the thing. I'm old enough to remember when it was like more and more being pushed. And the philosophy behind it, I want to be clear, ladies and gentlemen, this is this evil philosophy that parents aren't as good as the professionals. So farm your kids out to the professionals who are, you know, whatever they are, they're not as good as the parents. but this lie was put out there like, oh, no, no, it's good for the kids, get them into school at three or four or five away from their parents in this environment.

And you're saying now that, you know, that's not a good idea. I agree with you. But it was also partially pushed, we have to be said, say, because it was pushing the idea that women need to be in the workforce. They shouldn't be wasting their time, raising their children. They should be in the workforce and they can dump their kids off at the preschool. where the 22-year-old person is going to be educating their kids. Exactly. Yeah, you don't have to be super qualified to be a preschool teacher.

But yeah, so you have to be from the moment your child is born, you know, and then they start doing all these things, you know, people are, what moms talk about is, oh, what preschool are they going to go to? Oh, what school are they going to go to? And so right from the get-go, you kind of have to be countercultural, you know, and to keep your family intact. And your kid sitting there playing with blocks with you, reading to them,

it's these simple things that people in our culture don't have time to do because they're out at seven dropping them off at some really expensive preschool, expecting that this is going to help them somehow, when really just reading to them is what you have to do. Isn't it more important that they learn Chinese at age three? Come on. I want them to get into Harvard.

so that they can hang out with the cheaters and the frauds. It's very important. Exactly. I know. So, but yeah, just, you know, taking back childhood, taking back parenthood, parents, like, we can parent. We don't have to send them to off to some program for them to be fixed. You know, it's really, it's really following the Bible. You know, we start our days.

Jared's really amazing. he reads the Bible with the kids and talks to them about it. Yeah, we have a system right now where the boys each read a different version, whatever Bible that they're reading. And not like ESV or NLT, but they read like Kingston Bible. So like my two middles are reading the Kingston Bible, which I don't know if you know about that. I've not even heard of the Kingston Bible.

What kind of theological freaks are you? What are you teaching these children? What is the Kingston Bible? The Kingston Bible. No, honestly, no, it's translated by one person. person in a room in New York. No, I'm just kidding. No, it's a, it's a comic book Bible. It's a graphic novel. Okay. I got you. Now I got it. I got it. Okay. Yeah. So it's like this, but it's three volumes and it's insane. So like our kids are reading through that. My two

medals, my youngest one's reading the Jesus Storybook Bible, you know, obviously you've had the author on. My dearest friend in the world, the great, Sally Lloyd Jones. How terrific. Every time I read those stories. I love that book, Bible. And so I'll still read that. And then my eldest son, he's reading the scripture, and then he's also, he just finished the expositional commentary on Romans by R.C. Sprole. He's 15. Wait, wait, wait. What? What? Yeah. Your son, your 15-year-old is reading R.C. Sprole? Yeah. Something's wrong in that house. I don't know what's going on.

The whole book, not just like little extra. So anyway, all this to say, so he'll do that. Then we'll all get down. I'll read something. Christina, read something out of the word. And then we sit down and we have a conversation and say, what did you learn today? and our kids are learning to talk about their theology and about their understanding of the gospel from a very early age, and we've seen a lot of growth in the last six months since we started doing this. So that's how we start today, and then throughout the rest of the day we have other things. And I have to head off to Babylon Bee to make fun of people. And then I come back in the evenings and we, yeah.

You get your lunch bucket and you walk up the hill to the Babylon Bee headquarters where you crack jokes in the mines for a couple hours. That's tough. But anyway, but back to it. So if you say no to, or if you're saying yes to public school and being out the door at seven, gone until three, which what are they doing all that time? Not much. Home for piles of homework. And then when do you spend time with your kids?

And then most parents think to be a good parent, you have to have your kids in club sports. You know, the whole club sport thing, I think is just a total racket. I mean, people are paying thousands of dollars a month for their kid to maybe get a scholarship. How about just save all that money, spend time with your kids, and then send your kids to college. Use the money and invest that money. It's a guaranteed way to get a scholarship is savings. That's right. I didn't know that Christina could be so sarcastic.

She looks so sweet, Jared. How do you put up with this? How do you put up with this? This illusion of sweetness, but then the nasty sarcasm comes out. No, Christina, obviously, I so agree with what you're saying. It's kind of amazing. Part of what's going on here is most people in general just go with the flow. Whatever everybody, what is everybody doing?

It's kind of this insecurity of not knowing who you are and you just like look around. And this is what people are doing. You go, ah, I guess I got to do it. I got to get my kid into like some great preschool so they can get into a great kindergarten so they can waste their lives serving the devil and Marxism. You know, like it's kind of unbelievable that smart elite people sort of think that way. And I have seen it like crazy in New York City. I have seen solid Christian parents do this kind of stuff where they're like, no, I want my kid to get into Harvard.

Do you understand, ladies and gentlemen, Harvard is a seminary of woke lunacy. The fire disgraced president of Harvard is a liar and a cheater. This is the kind of leadership. These are the elites that we're putting out. out there. And it's time that Christians understood what's actually going on and homeschool their kids and on and on and on. We'll be right back. We're talking to Christina Lamaster and Jared Lamaster. Don't go away. Mike Lindell and My Pillow employees want to thank my listeners for all your continued support. To thank you, they're having an overstock clearance sale right now for the best prices ever when you use promo code Eric and you get free shipping for the entire order. Get 50% off. the MyPillow 2.0 and the brand new flannel sheets that just arrived and won't last long, get six-pack towel sets for only 2998 and take advantage of the free shipping on larger items like

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never done this. Submit your questions for me at pragertopia.com. This is only available to Pragertopia plus members. This is our chance to connect like never before. Go to praetopia.com or click the banner at Dennis Prager.com. Hey there folks. Welcome back. We're asking the question. You know, what happens when Christians kind of just go with the flow? And most people know, I wrote a book about Dietrich Bonhofer, who was trying to get the Christians of his day to not go with the flow. The flow they were going with led to the death camps. And he saw that, he saw that, you know, if you get on this train, it's going that way. Bonhoeffer's father, actually, Jared and Christina, I wanted to quote this because it's so amazing. Dietrich Bonhofer's

father said that, you know, if you get on a train headed in the wrong direction, it's no use running the opposite direction along the corridor of the train. That is what a lot of Christians are doing. They're getting on the wrong train and they say, yeah, but I'm, you know, whatever. They're running along the corridor in the opposite direction. The whole system of education in America, the whole system of higher education, of education from the beginning, preschool all the way out has bought into this, you know, a John Dewey, secular, elitist, anti-biblical worldview. And you have Christians sending their kids into that world and then wondering why it's so hard. Because again, they're going with the flow and the flow is very, very bad.

And it's our job to say, no, we're going to go against the flow and we're going to join other parents who are going against the flow. And there are plenty of them out there. link arms, and that's what you all are talking about with legacy Christianpsb.com, is networking with other Christians so that you're not alone in the way that your parents, Christina, were really alone, pioneers in the 90s. Right. And it is, it's so much easier to do this when you're joined by fellow Christians, the local church. You know, so you're, so if you go with the flow from preschool, you're doing that, then it's public.

school kindergarten, which still, I question kindergarten. Do we really need it, right? Well, kindergarten was preschool before preschool. I mean, there was no kindergarten, and then they came up with this idea, which was it was effectively preschool. It's like six is two is too old. Let's get them in at five. Yeah, they're teaching letters and sounds effectively for three years.

It's pretty ridiculous. But anyway, and then- Teaching kids to hate school. Yeah, they're so bored out of their minds because learning is just boring to them. But anyway, then what does every parent, even Christian parents even do around in between 10 years old and 13 years old? Is they give their child a smartphone. When are Christian parents going to say no to this? I seriously, like, are they not reading one article about or a study?

Listen, let's boil it down. They don't have the guts. Let's, I mean, look, this gets to my book letter to the American church. You've got a lot of Christians who they've got everything except courage. They've got everything. They've got all the theology, whatever. But when push comes to shove, when you've got to live out your faith and it's going to cost you something, somebody's going to look at you funny, they're like, oh, I want everybody to like me because that's in the Ten Commandments. And then they're just going to go along.

What is everybody else doing? And listen, I've been guilty of that. But then you get to repent, folks. If you got it wrong, you get to repent. God wants us to repent of going along with this because you're quite right, Christina. That's what's going on. Well, and the other thing is that there are better options than an iPhone. Okay, there are safe cell phones.

Have you heard of these things? Have you heard of Gab phones or pinwheel phone? Yeah. You probably have not heard of these. Are these diesel powered or woodburning? There are safe phones for kids that can only talk and text. Okay. Can children handle calling their friends like we did when we are kids?

Yes, that is not the problem. Can they text their friends? I would say most times yes. However, the whole boy-girl texting thing in, I think, as teenagers, is really, it's causing the demise of our kids treating healthy relationships between boys and girls. They do not know how to communicate, how to have a conversation, because text messaging is very insufficient. You don't get to know someone on a deep level by texting. There are no emoticons in the Bible. Exactly.

By the way, I just thought of that right now. Isn't that true? There are no emoticons in the Bible, ladies and gentlemen. You can quote me on that, Eric Mataxis. That's very interesting what you just said, Christine. I really hadn't thought of that. And I didn't know I had not heard of these phones. Say it again.

What are they called? Sorry? So, Gab, the Gab phone. G-A-B. They're great G-A-B. G-A-B. Gab-Wilililil is what it's called. Pin-wheel is another one.

Helio? No, pin-wheel. P-A-N. Pin wheel. Yes, W-H-E-E-L. And then also Bark. So B-A-R-K. They have a very advanced phone.

So these are phones created that are safe for our kids. And when I ask parents, when they're going to get their kid a phone, most of the time, oh, well, I have my old iPhone. So here, I just gave it to them. Why? What are they trying to do? Save a few hundred bucks? You know? I mean, it's just like when you can.

And then there's the parent controls. Those don't work. Kids get around them. One kid at your school knows how to get around the parent controls. Guess what? Everybody's around the parent controls. Haven't these parents heard of total depravity? What's wrong with them?

I know. But they're at school all day, you know, being molded by strangers. Their minds are being molded by strangers that you don't know. And then they get home and they're going to really tell you everything, no. And then when they get home, most kids are on screens for the rest of the afternoon. and Christian parents parents need to wake up and stop. Well, it's like for me,

I kind of liken it to if you were going to give your kid a room and you're going to design the room for your kid and give them everything that they wanted in the room. So you have like a video game system, you got a phone, you got all kinds of stuff. But then in the corner is a stack of Playboys and you're like, oh, don't go there.

Just focus on this stuff. This is the good stuff for you. Here's a Bible. I'm going to set the Bible right next to the Playboys, actually. Don't even, don't look. at this. You know what I mean? That entire wall is not for you. And Playboys would be a nice way of putting it.

You know, Playboys practically home and garden compared to what kids are being exposed to. Well, that's true. The level of toxicity of what kids are being exposed to, this is why parents need to take a strong stand. It's why I want to have the two of you on. That anybody who says

I'm a Christian, folks, you need to take this seriously because the drift has been dramatic. I was saying before about that good Christians have drifted along and drift along. It happened in Bonhofer's Day. It's why I wrote my book, Letter to the American Church, because I'm saying it's exactly what is happening now. And we need to understand it. We need to stop and understand it.

As we go to a break, we'll be right back. I want to tell you again, folks, please go to letter to the American Church.com. The documentary is out. It is free to churches. Letter to the American Church.com. If your church is not interested in a free, screening. I want to know why you're interested in that church and giving God's money of that church, letter to the American church.com. Check it out. We'll be right back.

To laugh, used to cry. Used to bow. It's there. Wonder why. Folks, welcome back. I am talking to the cutest couple ever. Jared and Christina LaMastor you guys are. Did you meet at Azusa Pacific? We met at Starbucks. Across the street from Azusa Pacific. But you were going to Azusa Pacific?

He had graduated. I was finishing. That's right. She was in line in front of me. So you were a child bride, obviously, Christina. No, I want to talk. You were just talking off the air about how churches, local churches, need to partner and help parents with this. So talk about that.

Yeah. So, you know, just imagine if every local church had some type of homeschool co-op or provided a gathering place for homeschoolers. So we deal with this a lot in our area. I have, I'm currently trying to get multiple churches just to allow me just open the door. Literally, that's all I'm asking. Open the door. We will pay you even to open that door, even though, you know, churches are empties Monday through Friday. Why can't we facilitate these homeschool co-ops all across America and create an affordable way for people to educate their kids with Christ at the center.

It's so simple. It's not hard. Yet I'm telling you, Eric, so many churches say no to me. There's always— Why do you think that is? I'm just curious. Can I say? I think they're always—what we hear a lot is liability.

Liability. Cover your butt. That's biblical. Yeah. Yeah. Forget about other people. Cover your rear end. You don't want to get sued.

That's very biblical. Yeah, Jesus was very litigious, by the way. He had a lot of lawyers to protect him from, you know, yeah. Can you even imagine we're talking about this? Churches have become so corporate. If you're going to a church like that, folks, let me just give you a, here's a hot tip. Get out. My goodness, when I see this happening in churches, you're quite right.

The churches ought to be at the forefront of this. And if you can't get your church to be at the forefront of it or to be opening its doors literally and figuratively to the homeschool network, find a church that is open to it, because our kids are at stake. Everything's at stake if our kids are at stake. We'll keep going, Christina. Yeah, so anyway, but the local church, you know,

it's sad because a lot of them are dying, even dying churches with, you know, nobody there on Sunday. But why are they dying because of this kind of thinking? This is called stinking thinking. This is why they're dying. This is why they're dying. It's just unbelievable. I mean, seriously.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, too, to be so ignorant to what's going on in the public school system, to not see the need for an alternative. I mean, the local private school in our area is $15,000 a year per kid. We have four kids. Yeah. And we live in Southern California where the median home price is $800,000.

So, you know what you mean? Like, so those are the parents sending their kids to private school. So what is everybody else supposed to do? So what we've created is this really a hybrid where kids are going to take classes once or twice a week. They're seeing friends. Parents are in community. We have dances. We have leadership programs.

We have all the fun extracurriculars. And we're really preparing kids for your future. Do you have rap and break dancing? Because that's really cool with the kids right now. They're really griping on that. We did do the music man. That's big with the kids right now. We just recently did Music Man, which is.

kind of like rap. Music man. I love. I love that. I love that. I love that. Well, listen, I want to be clear that people are getting this, the website. Say it again, the website.

It's legacy Christianpsp.com. Legacychristianpsp.com. Folks, I think you need to check it out. Everything's at stake. Legacy Christianpsp.com. Legacy Christianpsp.com. Christina.p.com. Christina and Jarrett.

but thank you so much. This has been important and fun. Great. Thank you. Thank you so much.