The Eric Metaxas Show - Clifford Nichols

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

Clifford Nichols discusses his new article at AmericanThinker.com, “Is 2024 Only a Mirage?” Can we stop the tyranny that has currently gripped the country?

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Folks, we've got Cliff Nichols coming up later in the show today to talk about a lot of the same things we're talking about right now. But right now, I have General Michael Flynn on. You just said Susan Rice is running things at the White House in the Biden administration today. She was not elected. It's not elected. She's the National Security Advisor for Homeland Security. I can tell you that nothing comes out of the White House unless she puts her stamp on it. And so you wonder, and she's not really, you know, she'll say she's working for the president and the vice president, but not really.

These are people that are working. There's an apparatus above the White House that's sort of running the show right now. And these is this. It's unconstitutional. You need to say that. This is unconstitutional. This is criminal. And that's what is happening right now.

And it's so extraordinary and so corrupt, but yet it's happening. And I want the American people. I want your audience to understand that this is not a conspiracy theory. This is real. Our country is going in the wrong direction. So part of this is that there is also this infiltration going on in our country. And I could go into a lot on that. But the main infiltrator is China, okay, is the Chinese Communist Party.

And they've been infiltrating into our society. for decades and through various institutions, through the institution of government, institution of education, institution of business and our economy. And that's been happening for at least 30 to 40 years. And this is a long-term plan to take America down as the leading power in the world. They've been working on it for decades. And here we are. Yeah, for your audience, China has had a 100-year plan under, and Mao Zing Tong is the one

that originated it. And the 100-year plan essentially made this century, because they knew that the last century was going to be the American century. China planned for 100 years, and we're in the middle of it. In fact, it's been moving faster because President Xi appointing himself for, you know, basically the premier for life, right? So China has moved up their plan quite a bit. And now they're going to move to taking over the global dominance this decade, not just this

century, but this decade. So now, now let's just jump to how is that happening? Where are these touch points occurring? So we have physical things going out in the Pacific. We just had one of the largest, you know, quote-unquote training exercises out around the island of Taiwan. And basically, the Taiwan minister of defense said, we are now ready to take over Taiwan. I mean, he just said it in like the last 48 hours. If Joe Biden were president and you were the the head of China, you would be insane not to take over Taiwan. Exactly. I mean, so they know that they have nothing to fear from this administration. Part of it is because there's not only weakness in this administration, and there's weakness in

our military, sadly, but there's also a collusion between this administration and China. Yeah, the word you're looking for is corruption. Yeah, so that's one geo-strategic piece. That's a big piece. And now let's jump over to Europe, to Eastern Europe, where we have Ukraine and we're spending billions and billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars on a place there where this White House has yet to say here are very clear objectives as to why we're doing this. Hasn't happened. And we're also talking about nuclear weapons. Even Biden has mentioned the word nuclear and talked about nuclear weapons. I mean, we've never had this kind of conversation.

So that's another big geo-strategic, you know, touchpoint. Now, within that touch point, China's prime minister, Xi, has just been over there, cut a deal with Putin, largest economic and largest military deal in their history. And China now is playing peacemaker, right? So China's going to solve the war in Eastern Europe. Trust me. I mean, I don't say that loosely. China will end up solving it.

China just had Macron from France over in. visiting in China, and Macron comes out and says some really, I think some very nasty things, politically nasty things about what the U.S. should or should not do, what the Biden administration should or should not do. You kind of go, wow, I mean, this is France. Right now. We've always joked about how the French roll over whenever the pressure's on. But, you know, the French people, I've fought with the French military with them side by side. And that's a good military organization. I know many in the intelligence community. They're good people. They're being led poorly.

And for Macron, and I mean, he just said this over the weekend, Eric. So this is not something that, again, is conspiracy. And then you have China cutting a deal between the Saudis and Iran to have a peace deal, okay, which is unheard of in the annals of the Middle East. And China was right in the middle of organizing a peace deal. And so that's a subsets of a second big strategic peace. So you got China, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, and some of these other pieces that China's involved in. And now you have Israel.

Israel is under direct assault. They have a problem internal. They've got a domestic. They have a domestic insurgency going on. And they know that. I listened to a good friend of mine, Ambassador Ron Dermer, who was the U.S. ambassador to the United States. I don't know if you ever had a chance to meet him. He's a terrific guy.

He's a minister of, like, strategic communications over there now. He's a terrific, terrific leader. And I listened to him overnight. in an interview, and Israel has a six-front war. So we, those in our White House, back to tying the domestic issues in our White House together, those in our White House are for Palestine, okay, are for Palestine. So they want the Palestinians to rise up in many ways. Israel is under direct threat. And what I said to a very close friend of mine this morning, and I'll share it with your audience, Israel should not, Israel must know,

now that they are going to have to go this alone. They're going to have to go this alone. So if there is a straw that's going to break the camels back, if there's a spark that's going to light the fire, the Middle East is a great place to do it. And then what that does, Eric, is it causes all these other touch points that I mentioned to light up. Okay? And now's the time to take advantage of the United States of America because we are overextended. We have incredibly, we have horrific debt, right? And China owns a lot of that debt. We have a military that is weak from 20 years of fighting a war that we ended up retreating from, right, in Afghanistan. And we have a massive, massive domestic problem with not only a border invasion and our own

drug problems with fentanyl, we have over 100,000 deaths from fentanyl. So we have all these things domestically, you know, and then when you look at the geostrategic stage and what's happening, the leadership inside of the White House cannot handle that level of complexity. And this is probably one of the most complex environments in my lifetime. And I'm one of these people that studies all this stuff from the tactics to the operations to the strategic consequences of all these things. This has been my life. This has been my life. So I'm concerned. Now, so how do we fix this, right? And that's how, if we have a minute left, I'd like to just say, how do we fix it? I mean, so a lot of people like me, I can argue and I can go to the people in Washington, D.C.,

and I can talk to people internationally. That's what I'm going to do. For most of your audience, they sit there and they go, God, what can I do? Well, you know what? Wake up your churches. Wake up your communities. Wake up your local leaders. Wake up your school boards. Wake up everybody that matters. Find leaders in your communities and tell them, demand that they stand up. Everybody in their own local communities has people that they go, you know, that guy, Eric McTaxis, he's a great guy. We ought to get him to run for office. We ought to get him to do something. And I'm just telling you, that's how we the people in this country are going to have to rise up. Because what I fear, and this is, and I do fear this, although I, you know, I always say

freedom over fear, right? But I do fear that there is this, because it's real, there's a wedge being driven inside of our country, and there's a desire by those in our government, sadly, to try to incite some level of violence. And we can't do that. We have to fight using the Constitution, the God-given Constitution, because it is a God-given document. If you study our Constitution, if you study our founders, if you read the various papers that were written during that time, if you read their diaries, God was at the center of everything

that they wrote into this Constitution. It just kills me that you have to go. I'm cutting you off because I know we're both at a time. We've got to get back on here, ASAP, because there's nothing more important than what you're saying. Honored General Flynn to have you. Folks, you can go to general Flynn. com. General Flynn, God bless you.

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His name is Clifford Nichols. He lets me call him Cliff. Clifford Nichols is a seasoned political commentator. He's been with the Heritage Foundation. He has a piece, I believe today in the American Thinker with the title is 2024 only a mirage. Clifford Nichols, welcome back. Thank you for having me, Eric. It's good to see you again.

Well, first of all, I want to mention you have a book out called A Bearerner. Barristers Tales, one lawyer's memoirs of his journey toward faith along a trail called Life, a Barrister's Tales. I want to talk to you about that book in the future. But today, let's talk about, at least initially, your new article in the American Thinker is 2024, only a mirage. What do you mean by that, sir? Our Patriots hoping for something that may never happen.

we're looking to retake our country or what it used to be. That sounds so insurrection-y. Can we even talk about that? Taking back our country? You know what? I'm just going to call an audible and say, yes, we can and must. We know. We know.

I talk about this all the time. So you're saying, is that only a mirage? Why do you ask that question? Well, because I believe that the opposition, in the words of Victor Davis-Anson, in a recent interview, he said, the left has now said under the pretext of protecting a republic that it requires any means to remove President Trump. And since you and I spoke, of course, President Trump was indicted. but he's also the only president to be impeached after leaving and raided after leaving. And this indictment, whether it holds or not, we know that there will be more. They virtually announced it to prevent President Trump from returning.

And so if we're putting our hopes in the 2024 election, we have to estimate that they are going to do whatever they can to prevent his return. whatever that may mean. Well, interestingly, yeah, go ahead. Two weeks ago, Mark Levin, who I am sure you know, did a piece on Life, Liberty, and Levin, his opening was reading the Declaration of Independence

with the acknowledgement that to do so and put it in modern terms as to what needs to happen, would put crosshairs on his back with the FBI and put him on the top 10 wanted list. He says that. Wait, just repeat that. Mark Levin on his program said to read the Declaration of Independence. He read it out loud on his program.

Yes, as if it pertained to today. Right. And what I found remarkable about that was that in 2021, I craft. a document called the Declaration of Liberty and posted that on the air. And it had multiple purposes, same as did the Declaration of Independence. One, to announce to the world that we're upset with the government that we now have. And two, to bind together patriots under a common platform, which is what the Declaration of Independence did with the 13 colonies.

And then also to be used as a litmus test for people running for office. And you will find upon reviewing the Declaration of Liberty that it says very little much more than the Declaration of Independence. In other words, we want the rule of law. We want our Constitution back. We want our children back. We want our borders back. All to be done lawfully and peacefully.

And for this interview, I posted an abridged version of it. Sad to say that in today's environment, not many people want to read. They don't read much more than Twitter feeds anymore. And if it's more than a page, they don't want to see it. So the abridged version is available. at the American landscape. Dot substack.com

The American landscape dot substack dot com the American landscape dot substack dot com

and you can subscribe for free and read it through and if you agree with it you can transfer over and sign it but even if you don't sign it that version should be printed up and presented to people running for office and say, do you agree with this?

Is this your brainchild or was this something you did via an organization? Oh, frankly, it was in response to President Trump asking Newt Gingrich and Lindsey Graham to draft a contract with America. When was that? That was back in 2021. They didn't do that. They did do that. They did. Yes.

And with that, in my opinion, on my pillow, you'll get a good nap. It did not perform well. You've not heard of it. Well, I was going to say, now that you mention it, I guess I've heard of it, but it didn't find much purchase in the culture. No. And what I thought as an alternative was to plagiarize. Thomas Jefferson.

And the Declaration of Liberty does just that. Takes the language from the Declaration of Independence and puts it in modern terms. The larger point you're making, very important, very, very important, is that we find ourselves today in America in an untenable situation. We find ourselves subject to the tyrannist behavior of what is technically, our own government. It's unacceptable. We've got to do something about it. The question is what to do. But the parallels, I mean, I not only because of my familiarity with Germany in the 30s, because I wrote my book Bonhofer, but I think that it bears saying that people, even before

Hitler officially took power in 33, people like the great Dietrich von Hildebrandt, the Catholic philosopher and hero. He knew that the people taking Germany over were criminals. They were genuinely criminals. Many people didn't get that at first. Eventually, a lot of the people that didn't get it did get it, but by then it was too late the nation had been taken over by criminals. That's effectively what is happening right now.

When they talk about taking Trump out by any means necessary, they have abrogated the rule of law. It's obvious from the way they're behaving. The question, Cliff, is what do we do about it? And one is to get unified. We have a lot of different issues. We have people protesting school boards, state legislators, and it's fractional.

You know, it's fractionalized. And if you have a unified platform, that is a statement that Thomas Jefferson used the Declaration of Independence for to state to the world here are the grievances and here are the solutions. Okay, but obviously Cliff, Jefferson was not some rogue guy. Jefferson was a group, part of a larger group, who had authority, who were leaders, not just in a movement, but many of whom were leaders in the colonial government at the time. We don't, it seems to me, have a parallel to that.

Well, we do have a parallel to Nazi Germany in the sense that we do have known criminals who have taken over. Yeah. It's not just that criminals have taken over. Criminals have taken over and aren't currently behaving criminally. And this is not like criminals have taken over, but they're behaving lawfully. Criminals have taken over and are behaving criminally. They are not behaving in accordance with our laws, with our Constitution, obviously. But again, the question is what to do.

And you say, first thing we need to do is unify. They first unify with a common purpose. And that is, don't let anybody run for office. school board, state legislature, anybody who has not read the Declaration of Liberty, a British version, and ask him to sign it. And if they will not sign it, ask them to explain why. And that will tell you all you need to know about that person. The quickest place we can find this document.

Tell us again. The Declaration of Liberty is at the American Landser. The American Landscape.substack.com. The American Landscape.com, where we can find declarative. The American Landscape.com. Yes. The American Landscape.substack.com to find the Declaration of Liberty. We'll be right back talking to Cliff Nichols.

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But right now we're talking about current events. Clifford, you have this piece in American Thinker. Is 2024 only a mirage? You're asking the question, and it's an important question. Will we be able to take our country back? Because obviously, the left, I said this and you said this. They're behaving like criminals.

In other words, if we play by the rules of American law, then it's possible for us to take the country back. But they aren't playing by the rules. We don't really have a fair judicial system. It's a really horrifying moment that we're here. Well, as Victor DeBes, Davis Hansen pointed out, we are in the midst of our own French Revolution, a Jacobin Revolution. Right.

And the people in charge are the ones that set the laws and the boundaries. What is lawful and what is not? The elephant in the room, as I wanted to mention is the military that is sworn to defend the Constitution. against foreign and domestic insurrection. And the question is, no matter what you and I do, no matter what anybody does, if the military is not on your side, you will lose. And that's a question I took up in an interview a year and a half ago. and the interviewer said that the size of my tinfoil hat was gin enormous

and in fact when I went back to his records he had deleted the entire segment of his show in which I was interviewed because I said that because he was frightened people are very frightened because when they hear the truth you know, they are, I mean, what you said, I mean, the whole point, obviously, we're supposed to be able to have a well-ordered militia. We're supposed to be able to have a militia. We're supposed to have, we have the Second Amendment so that the military, some rogues can't just take over the country.

So I'm not sure. I'm not sure that no matter how well armed, even if you're as well armed as kid Rock, I don't think that's going to help you if you're coming up against the United States military. And so my question is, for President Trump, do you have the alliance of the military if they go to drastic measures to remove you from the 2024 elections? I don't ask that in my article, but it's the obvious question. Does he have an alliance with a system that will allow them? have no idea. Maybe you can answer that question. I think President Trump can answer that. And, you know, I would, I would think that General Flynn would be able to help him in that.

Well, I guess the question is who is the military? Because when you're talking about people like General Millie, General Millie, who is extraordinarily silly and malevolent and just deeply foolish, the idea that he is a general at this point and that he speaks oftentimes for the military and that you have other woke, deluded men like that in our military, it really says everything you need to know. Something has gone deeply, deeply wrong in the U.S. military at this point. Well, I was glad to hear that General Mellie announced his retirement this morning. In other words, he's getting out of town.

before it shakes up, I would think. And what do you mean before it shakes out? So you think there's going to be that this will be an issue? I think there's going to be more between now and 2024 that puts the question to the American people. How much further are we going to be pushed? I think you're right. The question, I mean, and this is what I'm fascinated by in talking to you,

is how can this play out? Because you're right, if criminals are taking over, doing the things that most people listen to this program are aware of, it's scandalous, it's criminal, it's wrong, it's un-American, it's anti-American. The question is, what recourse do we have? You're suggesting that there are elements in the military who might be on the side of actual Americans? Well, I would certainly hope so. I'm sorry. We know that they exist. We know they exist.

The question is at what level do they exist? I know that the rank and file FBI and the rank and file military are pro-American. But the leaders, when you talk about people like General Millie and other profoundly foolish anti-American figures, that's the question. Well, and I don't mean to come across as an intentional insurrection. I mean to come across here as more an observer of events. I look at, I don't know if you've seen it on telegram going around as a letter supposedly sent by this Mr. Moshenko to President Trump to seek asylum in Russia because his, this is the merchant of death that we released in exchange for that basketball player. Do you remember him? Yeah.

The Merchant of Death wrote President Trump, according to some, it is reported, suggesting he seek asylum in Russia. Okay, let me just conclude this segment by saying that strikes me as utterly preposterous and kind of stupid. But we'll be right back. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Clifford Nichols. His book is A Barrister's Tales, One Lawyers' Memoirs of His Journey Toward Faith along a Trail called Life. But we're talking today about current events. suggested that

the merchant of death, some guy that we traded for the woke female basketball player who was trapped in Russia, that he, that this guy sent a letter to President Trump. Why do we care about that? Like anybody can send a letter to... Because he was

informing, in this letter, he was informing President Trump, allegedly, that President Trump is scheduled to be assassinated. Well, who would doubt that? that? I mean, who would doubt that they would love to kill Trump? I mean, I am of the opinion that they, this is, you know, gets kind of creepy, but that they killed JFK. And that that is, that's a thing. It's a real thing. And I, so I have no problem with that. But it seems to me that,

unfortunately, patriots are in a position where they desperately need President Trump at this point because he is the lightning rod for their heat, but also for his leadership and his seeing the issues. One of the things that is going to come across for sure if he ever did retake the White House is a cleansing of the bureaucracy of those when, he issues orders negate it down the way. And he will cleanse that. Starting with probably Christopher Ray and Merrick Garland will be out so fast that.

They'll only be fired, not hanged publicly. I guess... Go ahead. There's another set. Are we going to return to a system of justice where if somebody commits treason, they are indicted, prosecuted, given a hearing with due process, unlike some in the January 6th situation, and let the consequences fall as it may. If they're guilty of treason, which some are, in my opinion, let them be executed, which the Constitution calls for.

Was Jefferson Davis executed? No. I don't believe he was. Yeah, I think we just need to win. I just think we need to win. I don't know that we need to execute them. I just think removing them. In any event, that's a separate conversation.

The point is, by what means will we achieve the ends of taking back the government? You do believe, I guess, that Trump now understands what undid his first term and what prevented him from having a second term and that he would be willing to go to war with that, that he understands what is at stake and that he wouldn't play patty cake with the devil and hire people like those he hired in the first term. Especially in light of the fact that they have total disregard for our election process. So if we're hoping for a fair election in 2024, it's a pipe dream. That is my thought.

and if that's a pipe dream, he will never be reelected no matter how many votes he gets. Okay, so what do we do we do about that? Well, therein lies the issue that this country is now placed with. It's very interesting. As I observe it, I don't see anything short of a conference with the military and saying, where do you stand? Where do you stand? and I think that would be a legitimate question to ask. Who would be calling this conference with the military and with what members of the military?

I think the military is probably defied. I would say it would be President Trump would have to have that conversation at some point. His problem is that they would love nothing more than to arrest him for insurrection for even attempting it. Right. So it's a catch-22. which way do we jump? I don't know. And I'm interested to see how others play this out

because it is where we've been brought as a country. I think most people are still asleep and they don't care or they're somehow fatally resigned to it. So the question is if there are enough of us who do care to do something about it, and then, of course, what that means. But it's obvious that the, the mainstream media has sold its soul, that the medical establishment has sold its soul,

that many in government have sold their souls. They don't really buy in to the American vision anymore. So that's the question is how many of us do and what we can do about it. Well, the churches, that's number one. I don't know if you know, but I wrote a book called Letter to the American Church dealing precisely with this issue. the churches in my mind are actually the most guilty because, as I say in letter to the American Church, Dietrich Bonhofer said the church is the conscience of the state.

And if the churches aren't speaking about this, that to me is the key. So I'm glad you brought that up. Well, if the churches don't start standing up to males competing in women sports, vocally from the pulpit, mutilating our children, opening our borders. But they're afraid to do that for their tax consequences under 501. You're singing my song, Cliff. This is what I talk about wherever I go. It is absolutely despicable and shameful.

And there are many Christian leaders who are being silent in the face of evil. and God will and is judging them now if they don't repent of their silence in the face of evil, because the things that you've just begun to mention, these are evil things. They're not bad, it's not a difference of opinion. There are terrible things happening. There are evil things that are happening. And the silence of Christian leaders in the face of this is just astonishing. The parallels to Germany in the 30s are unmistakable. Every single day, I notice it more. And I just, I can't believe it. But I have hope that because of the horror unfolding, people are individually waking up. People are leaving the dead, useless churches that are being silent in the face of evil and finding places.

So that to me is the hope. We've got a final segment coming up. I'm talking folks to Clifford Nichols. He's got a piece of the American Thinker is 2024, only a mirage. And you can find him at the American Landscape. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to Clifford Nichols. And we've been talking about the Declaration of Liberty, which is really kind of an updating of the Declaration of Independence. This doesn't mean that the Declaration of Independence no longer holds. It's that what if we

read the Declaration of Independence and we say, this sounds familiar. let's write up something similar to declare where we are and what we propose to do about it. Is that fair, Clifford? That is a fair synopsis. And I would suggest that going forward, patriotic Americas might want to use the litmus test of the Declaration of Liberty and have their pastors read it and ask them if they would sign it. and if they would not sign it, ask if you're going to the right church. You will find it set off in a prologue, a foundation. It lists the rights we have.

It lists the grievances, and it lists the solutions. And these are simple things. Give us our children back. Give us our borders back. Give us our elections back. give us back the rule of law in our constitutional rights. And if that becomes illegal, Eric, you and I have got bigger problems. But can we imagine the cowardice of pastors unwilling to speak out on these kinds of things?

We know that it happened in Germany, but in Germany, they didn't have the example of Germany. They were going through this the first time. We have the example of how this went down in Germany. I actually say the same thing with regard to my book, Letter to the American Church. I say, folks, give this book to your pastor, ask him to read it, ask him if he's willing to go along with it. If he's not, get out of that church. Don't spend one thin dime ever again supporting a ministry that puts its head in the sand when liberty is at stake. because when liberty is at stake, everything is at stake.

We could end up like North Korea. We could end up like China. We are swiftly moving in the direction of ending up like China, where we have no religious liberty. And no religious liberty is much worse than merely not having religious liberty. It leads to the death of every other kind of liberty. It leads to the enslavement of American citizens. That's what we're talking about.

That's what tyranny is. And so I say this to people that if you're not prepared to leave your church immediately, if you want to give your pastor a chance to reconsider, and because there are many good men who haven't thought this through, they haven't heard what you're saying or what I'm saying, they haven't processed this. They need at least to be given the chance to process these things. But if they refuse, if they say, I'm not willing to risk it,

I insist on being a coward, although they wouldn't describe it that way, then I think people are about. obliged to leave those churches? Well, as you well know, most of what is egregious about the current church is not so much what is said, but what is not said. And your book, Letter to American Church, I've read it, it is excellent, have your pastor read it, but then do the second punch and say, now that you've read it, would you mind reading this Declaration of Liberty and signing it so that we know.

that you're standing with us. That's right. And if they do that, they read your book and they sign the Declaration of Liberty, you're in the right church. If they won't, find another. Those churches exist, folks, because they invite me to speak, and I meet these wonderful pastors. But most churches, they are not interested in fighting for the things that we need to fight for.

And that is really unacceptable. and if you support them, you've become part of the problem. Clifford, Nichols, we will have you back. Thank you for your time today. Folks, go to the American Landscape.substack.com. Get the Declaration of Liberty. Clifford, thank you.