The Eric Metaxas Show - CMMWednesday Hour 1 (Kevin Sorbo 240515)

Episode Date: May 16, 2024

Friend of the show Kevin Sorbo joins to talk about his new movie "The Firing Squad" based on a true story   firingsquadfilm.com

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Anyway, here's the guy who's not always that easy to digest. Eric the Texas. Hey, folks, welcome to Wednesday, the 15th of May. I don't know how this happened. Chris, do you have any... It happens every May. It happens every May. It's like Roundhog Day, but in May. It's unbelievable.

I just get, like, for me, it's like March forever. And then suddenly, whoop, April, May. Like, wow. Anyway, the days are getting longer and longer, and I love it. It's my favorite thing about this part of the time of the year is just that, you know, it's light in New York in Connecticut. It's light at 730, which is just delightful. It's wonderful. No pun intended. All right. A few things to cover. Kind of exciting. First of all, it's all exciting. I don't know where to start. I'll start here. John West of the Discovery Institute. I interviewed him for Socrates in the city. Oh, it's a few months ago. He's a C.S. Lewis expert. And I've known of him for years, just only have met him a few times.

But I may have mentioned this. But I was astounded the other day to see that he had written an article. Today, May 15th, it is at the stream. So go to stream.org. Please do me a favor. We'll also retweet it on our, we'll retweet it on our Twitter as well on the radio show. So people can see it. A lot of people who listen to this program are not on Twitter.

So that's why I say, please go to stream.org. And his article, a shorter version of his article is there. But in the article, he talks about my new book, religionless Christianity and about letter to the American church. And he does something which I find embarrassing. He compares me and what I've written to Francis Schaefer. Francis Schaefer is such a legend and such an icon that to be compared to him can only make you look like a gnat. But it is as humbling and embarrassing as it is, it's clearly flattering.

And so I feel very touched that he would. would write this long article. It's a long article. What's at stream is a much shorter version. So you can go to stream.org. But what he's talking about is it's kind of at the center of my life these last years where you, you know, you kind of trade in your respectability with certain people for speaking the truth because you feel you don't have a choice. And that's really where I have come in the last years. I feel that a lot of the, we can call them elites, particularly the evangelical elites, have ignored where we are and they have taken a safe path. Obviously, my writing about Dietrich Bonhofer shows that I believe that each of us has a duty,

not to take the safe path, but to do the right thing by God. And that's what I've tried to do. but it comes with a price. I rarely talk about the price, but it comes with a real price, losing friends, losing, you know, whatever it is.

It's, that's not the fun part. But in any event, it happened to Francis Schaefer. It happened to one of the greatest human beings of the 20th or any other century, Alexander Solzoned Eats. And you say stuff to the elites that the elites don't want to hear.

And, you know, you pay a price. when solzhenitsyn gave his speech in 1978 at the Harvard commencement, he went from being the darling, you know, of the Western elites to suddenly being a pariah, somebody who said some stuff that they didn't like or whatever it is. I don't know. And, you know, history will judge and God will judge. So it's just, it's just interesting to think about. But I was so gratified to see the very, very generous things that John West, uh, had written, we don't know each other well. I had no idea he'd read my book, much less

decided to write the article. But it's at stream.org today. The short version is at stream dot org. So I knew Francis Schaefer when I was younger, he was sort of this countercultural person with this amazing hair and a beard and kind of the 70s, you know, groovy vibe. How would you describe him for people who may not be familiar? He was really had a heart for culture. He was somebody who, he was the founder of the LaBrie Institute in Switzerland. And he was someone who, yes, I mean, the one way I can compare myself to him genuinely is that he had a heart for the culture, for the arts. And he appealed, as I sometimes have done, not often, to, you know, the intellectuals among us. I mean, some people could accuse me of that with Socrates in the city and some of my biographies.

So, you know, I guess, but he was just a giant. So I can't really be compared to him. But there are enough similarities, I guess, that John West thought that he would mention me in the same breath. So it's at stream.org today. And again, I hope you'll go there, folks. Speaking of Socrates in the city, tomorrow, literally tomorrow, the 16th, Thursday, 16th of May. Tomorrow we have a Socrates in the city in New York City. If you can get there, you've got to go.

I promise you. It's great. It's great. we have Ron White, one of the great biographers of this generation. I'll be interviewing him about his Lincoln biography, his Ulysses Grant biography, and his brand new biography about Joshua Chamberlain. There's, I'm reading that book right now. It is, you talk about a war hero and a hero, a hero, a real hero, a real hero.

a real hero. Joshua Chamberlain, it's last night I was reading it. It's so moving what people sacrifice for their country, for what is right, for what is true. My goodness. Anyway, if you want to watch it live, you have to be signed up at Socrates Plus. Go to Socrates in the city.com. Sign up for Socrates plus. It's like five bucks a month. So you can sign up. And if you hate it, you spend $5. So it's, that's tomorrow. We're doing a Socrates in Oxford. And that is really exciting. And it is sort of Francis Schaefery, you know.

Actually, yeah, it's Francis Schaefery. Ugliest adjective in the history of the world. Francis Schaefery. It's Francis Schaefery. That's going to become a word. You've just coined a word. A neologism, Chris, a neologism. I just coined the term neologism.

If you want to know where that comes from, I just coined it. I just coined the verb to coin. I just did that right now in case anybody wants to know. You can say these things because, you know, people aren't going to look it up. It's original with me, folks. The verb to coin, neologism, also original with me. Okay, so we have a few other things to mention our campaign with Christian Solidarity International. Now, I don't even know, have I even mentioned that today, our guests are Kevin Sorbo,

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Always good to see you. You know what? You know what those PR people did to me? They sent me the link to you, but it went to Dinesh D'Souza instead. PR people, could they be more useless? They're paid for them. I know. I think they're trying to sabotage you.

They're paid for this. Although Denech is a great guy, but he's not a great guy. you on right now. I'm expecting you on, and here you are. I want to talk to you about a number of things, but first of all, there's a film coming out called The Firing Squad. You star in it along with Cuba Goodynarding Jr. Ernest Borgne. Am I getting that right? Ernie couldn't make it, but the last time I saw him was at the Reagan Library and a wonderful talk with him because I was a big fan of the May. I met Rod Steiger. I meant Rod Steiger. Yes, of course. Last I saw him was on Oklahoma.

Okay, so the film of the firing squad has been getting a lot of press. It's not coming out until August, sorry. August 2nd, August 2nd. Tell my audience if they know nothing about this, this film. It's a big deal, folks, called the firing squad. It's starring you, Cuba Gooding, Jr. And James Barrington. I don't know James Barrington.

He's a new guy. He's been acting for a long time, but there was a favorite. family issue back home in London. I think there was a health issue with his mom and he went back and spent many years there, but he's back in the acting world now and he did a great job. But the movie, people should go to firing squadfilm.com. That's firing squad film.com. There's a lot of information and trailer, all that stuff. But it's a true story. And my character, the backstrand on that when he was in his 20s, he was surfing in Indonesia. And while he was on his board waiting for a wave, he noticed his girlfriend flirting with some guy or some guy

flirting with her. He got up there in a rage. He ended up killing the guy. He got the death penalty. The guy that you play, is this an American who goes to Indonesia? He's an American, yes. Okay. So what year was this? This was like 19, about the mid mid 1980s, maybe. Okay. So not that long ago, if you're as old as Kevin or Eric, this happened, an American. and this is the classic thing, right? Americans, oh, they're cool. We're going to go to Indonesia because the waves aren't big enough, you know, in our hemisphere. We're going to go to Indonesia to go surfing because we're so cool.

And then this guy ends up, it's a nightmare. So say this again. So you play this character. Yep. And he goes on the shore, gets in a fight where the guy ends up killing him. He gets arrested, gets the death penalty. And he's in prison for the next 30 years. And during that time, though, in his first 10 years,

He found God, and his soul was saved. And he went through all the steps to become a pastor. He became a pastor, and he became saving many other inmates' souls, bringing them to Jesus, also guards. And then he still ultimately was executed in 2015, not so long ago, by the firing squad. And in the movie, not to give away too much, but in the movie, he refused the blindfold. And he looked at the fellow guards across him, who all knew him, and said, remember, I love you and God loves you too.

And then they executed it. True story. Wow, wow, wow, wow. 2015. You know, this is, I mean, this brings up so many questions, so many things. We have a few minutes here. So the film is called the firing squads coming out August 2nd. I, whenever I hear something like this, the first question I have, which is in some ways a pedestrian question.

But the idea is that this murder that he's convicted for takes place in the 80s. He's not killed for it until 30-something years later. How bizarre. I mean, what an absurd system of justice we have, not just in this country where things like this go on, but in Indonesia that this man would be utterly reformed, become a devout Christian, devote his. his life to his faith in prison, live that out for two decades and then be executed. Like, wow.

I mean, do they give any details in the film or do you know why that would be? That's so bizarre to me. Well, you know, my story is kind of, I'm sort of like Gandalf of the movie in a way. I mean, he's the guy that really, the main stories around James's character who comes in much later. And he's really the last soul that my character saves before. he faces his own execution. And why he was in prisons for as long as he was?

You know, we do the same thing in America. As you mentioned, our system's not much better when people are on death row for 30, 40, 50 years before they, you know, then there's always last minute, you know, stays on their execution. But really the only thing you get is that backstory when I tell it to a couple other inmates when they ask me, you know, you've been here so long.

We don't even for murder, but what happened? And I tell them that story. And it's really for the audience to understand why I make characters there. it's a touching story. You met Tim Chee. You interviewed him at NRB, and he's our director. He's the one who brought it to him.

You have known Tim a long time. We've tried to work together many times, but every time our schedules don't miss. And this time, it was awesome, and I had a great time doing it. Initially, they were going to shoot in the Philippines, but they actually found an abandoned prison just north of me here in Florida,

about an hour and a half north, and it was creepy. I got to tell you, walking through that prison because they've been closed for decades. and it was weird. I went there by myself. They were shooting another scene

without me outside on the grounds. So I walked in there, and it was spooky. I mean, I walked into one of the cells. Cells aren't more 10 by six feet, maybe? I mean, there's no room in there. And two bunk beds that kind of bolted against the wall. And I sat down on one of the bunks, and I kind of sat and I said,

I don't need to be scared straight by some thugs. I said, I would take troubled teams one at a time, throw them in there and go spend an hour and they're walking around. And think about it. sit in a cell and think it was that would you want to spend 10 years there 20 years there because I thought my god this would just be this was enough to scare me straight to not want to get arrested for something it's crazy yeah it's it's unbelievable stuff um how i i interviewed tim chae

a few months ago um tell us a little bit more about how did he come to this story i don't remember that now even though i interviewed him about it quite a few months ago you know he's the guy's got just a whole catalog of films. I honestly, I wish I could answer that question completely. All I know is he brought it to me and said, look, this is a true story. I don't know where he got it from, but he just said, I'd love you to play this role. I'd love you to play this guy that was converted and he became a pastor and saved many lives and deep in the process. We've been screening this thing all over the country. We've had, I've been about four of them, I think. He's been about 10. He wants me to do another one this weekend in Seattle at the life surge. I know Tim Tebow speaking there as well and a couple other people,

I looked at this thing and I said, I got to play this role because I love, as you know, I love true stories. I love stories that of redemption and hope because I think what not only America, what the world needs down more than anything is hope because look we're done. We're just destroying everything around the world right now. It's insane. And this movie, I think, you know, Tim, Tim wants to save a million lives with this movie. And I said, I hope we're able to do that.

I'll pray that that can happen. The people walking out, once again, if you go to film, Finding Squad Film.com, you can see the places we've been to, and we interview people as you walk out of the theater one at a time, and what are your thoughts on it? People are crying, people are rejoicing. People are saying, wow, this movie's amazing. And so it's pretty cool that you're able to touch people. We just don't have that $100 million advertising budget that Hollywood does for their special effects,

Spider-Man movies, you know? So we have to rely on word of mouth. Like God's Not Dead. I mean, that was an anomaly, a $2 million movie to make $140 million bucks was insane. Well, I mean, look, it seems to me that Hollywood, as we've known it is dying and that films like this, Angel Studios, there's a Bonhoff, you probably know there's a Bonhoeffer film, an amazing film. It is great. I'm so excited. These films are getting made. They're getting released. They're getting traction. There's a hunger for redemptive films, beautiful films, meaningful films, films you can bring the whole family to. it's fantastic. And I think it's just wonderful, Kevin, that you got this role. Now, if you were unable to film this, you know they were coming to me next.

Of course they would have. I realized that. That's why I just happened. Look, I tried to get in one of my movies. You remember, I tried to get you on one of my movies, and you were busy. You're doing a book tour or something crazy like that. I don't know what I was doing, but you know I was very upset that it didn't work out. But, I got to say along the thread, what you mentioned earlier,

people stop me all the time. It used to be because of Hercules or Andromeda. Most of the time now, it's because of God's not dead. What if? Soul Surfer, let there be light. That's what people stop me for. And as you said, there's a hunger for. There's 80 million homes out there that want that. And Hollywood is so screwed up with their ideology, they don't want to service those people anymore. Yet they are a capitalist business. They can scream socialism all they want. But let's face it, I think the guys that Netflix and Amazon like being billionaires. But it's interesting. I think, they're waking up and the independent world is really waking up for sure. Well, what's interesting to me, I always bring this up. Michael Medved, Michael Medved, 30 years ago wrote a book called Hollywood versus America. And he lays out in that 30 years ago that if Hollywood wanted to make money, they would produce G-rated family films. Those were the blockbusters.

Sure. Hollywood, they want the street grid. They want to be cool. They want their friends to like them. So they always want to go toward the gritty, R-rated, whatever it is. And we're still there to some extent. But thank God for films like Firing Squad. Folks, go to firing squadfilm.com.

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We just talked about it. It's called Firing Squad. True Story. I want to get back to that for a moment, but I just mentioned Michael Medved, and you just said you had something to mention about him as well. Yeah, he's working with Tim Mahoney. My first documentary was probably about 9, 10 years ago, with Tim.

Tim Mahoney does a lot of wonderful things. It's called Patterns of Evidence, and I did the Exodus one where he spent years in Egypt through archaeological digs to prove that the Exodus actually happened. Well, his latest venture now is really a historical, miniseries on America. And I got to play Thomas Jefferson in, which was really kind of cool.

And I'm looking forward to this thing. I mean, they're going to do... Thomas Jefferson was not as buff as Kevin Sorbo. I want to be... Well, I think special effects are and make me look shorter and wimpy as possible. No, he wasn't short. He was probably as tall as you are,

but he was never... I think he was, yeah. He didn't have the pecks. No. He didn't have the lats. The lats of Kevin Sorbo. They didn't have a lot of lat machines, and they weren't doing that kind of weightlifting

back in the 18-19. century. Just want to be clear. He might have doing pull-ups on trees or something. I don't know. You never know. It's very, very hard. But so it's kind of funny that you mentioned this because anybody who follows me knows I do a thing called Socrates in the City.

Well, we're doing Socrates and the City books. We're doing all this stuff. And about a year and a half ago, I reread Michael Medved's book, The American Miracle. And I flipped out. I said, I have got to get Michael Medved to talk about this at a Socrates in the city, which he did last year in Seattle. And honestly, that book and the sequel, I can't remember the name of the sequel, but it's miracles in American history, one more mind-blowing than the other. If you ever wondered, if God's hand is on this country, you read the American miracle by Michael Medved.

And again, people can go to Socrates in the City.com and go to our YouTube page and watch my conversation. with Michael Medved. It is mind-blowing. Go to the Socrates and the City YouTube page or just go to our website, Soxon the City. But I promise you, folks, you will be inspired about this country. And the reason I'm saying this, Kevin Sorbo,

is that when I reread the book and read the sequel and Adam at Socrates, I said, I want to make a documentary film based on this book. And at the Socrates and the city event in Seattle with Michael Medved, he brings along Tim Mahoney and a couple of other people who says, we're working on it.

Little did I know that it would be moved along as it has been and that you are involved in it. So I'm very excited about this. I can't tell you, folks. I'm glad to do with it because you see what's going on in our schools right now. They're not teaching history right now. They want to rewrite history. We're tearing down statues. What did Oregon just pass?

They said kids don't need to know how to read or do math to graduate high school now in Oregon. Wow, that's wonderful. It's insane. We're seeing a meltdown of everything, and it gives us an opportunity to rebuild. And listen, your wife, Sam Sorbo, one of my heroes, the homeschooling movement, ladies and gentlemen, if you want Hope for America,

homeschool your kids, get involved in homeschool. It is the coolest thing ever, whatever she calls it, home education. She gets all like, you know, it's not called schooling. All right, whatever, Sam. We know what we're talking. about here. This is the point of get your kids out of these Marxist indoctrination camps that the public schools have become. But it is exciting. And it's exciting to me that media is being

produced. I mean, the film that we're talking about, this documentary film based on Michael Medved's book, The American Miracle, this is going to re-educate generations of Americans to know that this is an extraordinary country, to know the roots, to know the stories. Now, where is that project right now? I know they got probably another six to eight months of filming. It's quite a big project. I think I was on some of the early ones we shot already. I don't know how many total they're doing. I'm going to guess being six and eight, but it's great that they're doing it because I loved history. Even when I was in high school, I remember taking far Eastern studies, Russian studies. They don't put those things in schools anymore. I took American history, of course,

but I love that kind of information. And I took colleges and when I was in college. And when I was in to classes, even though I was a business major. But I just found history fascinating. But we're trying to get rid of it and rewrite it, which is crazy. When they tore down the statues, I said, send them my house. I want to put Lincoln and Jefferson along my driveways. People drive. I thought of the same thing. I thought, what are they doing with these statues that they're tearing down? Where are they storing them? And shame on the mayors and governors of these states allowing this to happen. It's just crazy. Meanwhile, we got a precedent in for a misdemeanor. And we're letting, we're letting illegal aliens come across 15 million and most of them are probably not worth being in the country at all.

Well, we both know, most people listen to this program know that we're seeing something utterly unprecedented in American history. What I say, I have a book out, new book out called religiousness Christianity. I say we are in the third existential crisis of our history. The first is the revolution. The second is the civil war. The third one we are experiencing right now. We never, no one has seen anything like what we're seeing. Right now. We're in a war. Yep.

And each of us has to do his part. I know you're doing what you can. Your wife, Sam, is doing what she can. And everything we're talking about is part of it. We mentioned the film firing squad. Folks, you need to patronize these films. When something like this comes out, go to it. Think of it as your duty to support these things to help send the message to Hollywood.

This is what we're looking for. We're not looking for whatever garbage, you know, whatever CGI riddled nonsense. I mean, it's like, it's amazing to me. The whole Marvel universe, whatever, I don't know. It's, I would really rather do almost anything than see a film like that. But the firing squad, you can go to firing squad film.com. Check it out, a true story, folks, a redemptive, true story.

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Welcome back. We're talking to our friend Kevin Sorbo. Kevin, you mentioned children's books. Now, I've written 30 children's books. Children's books are important in terms of, you know, educating and building the imaginations of young people. It's so huge. And I know that the publisher. industry like the film industry, like so much else, has been taken over by woke lunatics.

So the good news is that there's an opening for folks who are, you know, publishing books that are not insane, that are true, whatever. Brave books has stepped up. Our mutual friend, Kirk Cameron, has been very involved in that. Where do you fit into that picture? Well, they saw the things I was posting on my Twitter. People follow me at K Sorbs on Twitter. I do fun sarcastic truth. And they got a hold of me. They said, you know, Kevin, don't you? Yeah, yeah, I know Kevin. He's my neighbor for many years here in California. So I dove in, and I started talking about the emasculation of men, what they've been doing in this country for decades and just accelerated in the last 15 years. So I wrote a book of them called The Test of Lineshood. And the Test of Lianhood is a wonderful story about Lucas the Lion Cub, who, playing with his two younger sisters out in the forest, her youngest one gets cut by a plant that he knows is dangerous. His father taught him all this. stop. Well, he ends up saving her life because he knows what flower he needs to get. So it's really about him becoming a man. The book's really, it's pro-child more than anything. It's not anti-anything. It's about letting kids grow up to be kids. And let little boys grow up to hopefully strong men,

strong fathers, strong fathers, strong husbands, strong builders of the community. So now we've got a follow book coming out right now for the month of June, perfect for Father's Day. This is called the Bear Essentials of Fatherhood. It's about the importance of fathers and families, the importance of The mother's important, but so is the father. Because as you know, we're breaking up families left and white. People aren't getting married or if they're getting married, they're getting married apart later, and they're not having kids. This is a book about how important it is to have a father around to help raise your kids as well.

Okay, the bare essentials. Now, folks, if you're listening on podcasts or on radio, you cannot see because there's no radio good enough to show the cover of this book. I don't care what radio you have. So I'm going to tell you, the bare essentials, it's a pun. B-E-A-R, the bare essentials of fatherhood. And you know, Kevin, it's interesting. This year, my dad passed in January.

And one of the things, anybody who has had a father that was just a decent father, understands there is no substitute. There is something so central to the role of father. and it's so beautiful. And it is vital, ladies and gentlemen, it is vital that we understand God created us in his image male and female. And there's no way around it. Kids are supposed to have a father and a mother,

not two fake fathers or two fake mothers, an actual father and a mother that's God's plan. And we need to assert this simply because it's true. If you care about children, you have to care about this. So, Kevin, this book that's coming out just in time for Father's Day, The Bear Essentials of Fatherhood, what is that book about? I see a bear on the cover. It's just, that's right.

Well, they do, everything's in animation, cartoon drawings and stuff. These are characters that they use over and over again through a number of their books. There's a number of different characters that Brave Books have. Goes to Braybooks.com. Great place to go and check things out right there. I got a reading this Saturday, actually, at a library here. in West Palm Beach area. And I'm sure there'll be people out there screaming about me saying that I'm a horrible

human being, but there will be a lot of wonderful families in there that are going to want me to read the kids. Because, you know, they were banning Kurt Cameron. You know how scary Kurt is. I mean, what a scary guy. What a scary, nasty person. But drag queens, drag queens, drag queens are okay to read to your seven-year-old child. So it's, and I don't understand why drag queens have taken on this responsibility.

She, you don't think there, do you? but no, they would never be that. But they want to destroy everything that's normal and wholesome and good and true. They want to break it down. They don't even know why. Let's be honest. They are themselves, you know, given over to something. Sure.

But, you know, it's interesting because you bring up Kirk Cameron, our friend. There's nobody sweeter and nicer than Kirk Cameron. And in my book, the new book, which is called Religinalist Christianity, I write about Kirk because he. When he spoke up, I think it was 2012, he was, there's half of a chapter I devote to this, he was, I guess, on Pierce Morgan. And Pierce Morgan asked him about same-sex marriage or something like that. And in the nicest way possible, our friend says that he wants to affirm this biblical idea of marriage between a man and woman.

No one would have said it, could have said it nicer. and how he was attacked for that. And I talk about cancel culture. How many Christian pastors and Christian leaders didn't say boo in his defense? They just sat back and thought, oh, let him take the heat. We just want to preach our little gospel in our cute little church. We just want to do church. Shame on those who are silent at that time because we're in a war.

We're in a war. And every one of us has a role to play. And God is a judge. If you sit on your hands, if you do nothing, you let somebody else take the heat. You know, God will hold you accountable for that. So I just want to say, congrats to you, Kevin Sorbo, for all you've been doing in all these films and being willing to use your name, the celebrity that God has given you over the years for so many good things. I mean, I can't even think of how many things you've been involved in starting with, well,

most of us know you originally from Hercules. Sure. But you know, really the first unabashedly, really fate-based movie ever did was called What If? That came out a few years before God's Not Dead. It's the same writers. But in my book, and they don't mind me saying this. In my book, it's a far better movie. And what if it's just an amazing story about, you know, I'm visited by an angel in the form of John Ratzenberger, who was great as this curmudgeon, smart-ass angel. And he says, God's giving you a second chance to go down the road he tended you on. But I like the road I'm on, so it's like a reverse. It's a Wonderful Life.

But that was directed by Dallas Jenkins, who's doing The Chosen Now. And for me, that really opened my eyes that. These are the kind of movies I want to keep doing. And I've been pretty much doing it since then. I'm going to backtrack a little bit talking about your dad. My dad passed 11 years ago. My dad was my best buddy. I'm the fourth of five kids.

My dad was the best man at my wedding. I'll tell you what, 11 years later, I still think about him. I miss him every day. He was a great guy. There is just nothing like it. I mean, I miss my dad more as time. He passed in January. And it's just, well, listen, this is part of life, right?

Is understanding like death is not normal. Death is not as the enemy of death. He sent Jesus to defeat death on the cross. We'll be right back. We're talking to Kevin Sorbo. Folks, don't go away. Folks, welcome back. Final segment with our friend Kevin Sorbo.

Kevin, just to go back to the film that we were talking about, the firing squad, people go to firing squadfilm.com. This is a true story. It starts in the 80s when this guy that you play is arrested for murder. It's a crazy story. He comes to faith and then spends years in prison ministering. And at the end of the film, which takes place in 2015, incredible, he's executed. Tell us more about the film and about Cuba Gooding Jr.'s role in the film.

You know, Centering, Cuba plays not a good guy, but he's. finds God as well. I did, you know, through the teachings I have, through the teachings that other people that are working with him now within the prison end up saving his life. And in real life during the filming of that movie, Cuba actually recommitted his life to God, which is pretty amazing. It was an amazing moment on the set. Yeah.

So, pretty cool. Yeah. But I get that, Eric, I get through Sorbo Studios. Go to Sorboostudios.com. Everything, Kevin Sorbonne, Sam Sorbo, my beautiful wife. And I get every day on there, people say, your movies have made me. become a Christian. And I get this from, I would say one of the ten of those is always a Muslim, saying, I used to be Muslim, I'm a Christian of because of your movies. That's amazing to me.

That shows that whatever I'm doing, the road that God put me on is kind of an amazing road. And by the way, I've got three documentaries coming out as well at the end of the year. And one of those documentaries deals with the last sufferance called Eating with the Enemy. And I think people will look forward to that one. So you and I need to talk around late November sometime to give a little plug on those documentaries. Wow. So what's the web? website again? Sorbo Studios.com. So, Kevin, we just got a couple of minutes here, but your story, you know, people think of you now, in many ways, as a public face of Christian faith,

but I mean, you weren't always that guy. What was your journey? At what point does the penny drop for you? Probably when I was 13 years old. I mean, I've been a Christian all my life as far as I'm concerned. I never stopped believing there was a God or a Jesus. I was raised that way, and I've never really questioned that. But when I was 13, our church, I grew up in Minnesota. typical Scanning. I'm second generation Norwegian. And, you know, Larry Ross and his company did a lot of work with, still does with the, with the Billy Graham Foundation family. And he came to speak at the St. Paul Fairgrounds. It was a hot August night. The full moon is out. Three hundred thousand people from the state of Minnesota. I'm sure Wisconsin. And you're 13 years old. Of 13.

See Billy Graham. Whoa. And so we're watching them and something I would never do. I was a good student, A and B student, but I never raised my hand. Teachers. would call on me when they called me, and I was, but I was never the type of, oh, pick me, pick me. I stood up and walked up there, and one of my buddies said, where are you going? And I said, I know, I got to go up there and talk because he was done speaking at a boatload of people that were up there that were volunteers working with him. I sat on the ground with this guy. He was probably 30, so he's like really old to me because I'm 13.

And all of a sudden, a hand went on my head, and I turned around, it was Billy Graham. And he had his security with him, but his head was perfectly behind the full moon. So he's the moon beings. This is like the mid-70s? This is like early 70s, yep. This is like vintage Billy Graham. Oh, it's unbelievable. I've not heard this story.

I'm so glad I asked this. That's insane. Eric, I told that story on the Larry King show. I get a call three days later from Larry Ross saying, hey, Billy Graham saw your interview with Larry King. He would love you. This is like 12 years ago. He would love you to write that chapter in his book. miracle, I mean, chicken soup of the soul.

The only time they ever did a hardcover book ever was for Billy Graham. So I'm in that book. I'm one of the 101 stories with Mother Teresa and everybody else. I'm telling my story as the 13-year-old kid. And then they call me up and said, he's, you know, in his 90s. He can't get around. He would love you because he loves the things you're doing right now for the Lord. Would you do the publicity for the book and travel around?

I was like, yeah. So pretty cool. What an honor. What a wonderful thing. One of the grits of my life, I never. met Billy Graham. I'm friends with his kids. What a beautiful thing. Folks, go to sorbosudios.com. Is that the website? That's the website and also a firing squad film.com. Sorboostudios.com firing squadfilm.com. Kevin Sorbo, thank you so much.

It was a pleasure Eric. And thank you for your time. Appreciate it.