The Eric Metaxas Show - Cynthia Garrett

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Cynthia Garrett has a brand new book "The Naked Truth" Reclaiming Sexual Freedom in a Culture of Lies, she joins Eric to discuss.

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Happy birthday, Mom. Look, we just have a few minutes, Johns Merak. I want to talk to you about anything. You are an article at stream.org about what you call the modern day slave trade. Now, there is a real slave trade, but what are you talking about? Okay, the title is pre-born is the new black. and in vitro fertilization is the new Atlantic slave trade. There's a big debate in the pro-life movement about what to think about IVF.

And Nikki Haley went on Twitter last week and said, IVF is pro-life. My children are blessings because of fertility procedures. Many parents would love to have children. We should not be banning these procedures. We should be encouraging them, unquote. And I realized that, you know, support for IVF, is pro-life in the same exact way that the Atlantic slave trade was pro-African-American.

Slave traders could say, I want their, I love African-Americans, I want to bring more Africans into America. That's why I support the slave trade. IVF is the same thing. IVF is the artificial production of unborn babies. And they create, in order for it to work, they have to create like eight or ten, little babies for every one that they want to implant. And according to the Southern Baptist Convention, which heroically and prophetically spoke out about this last week, between one million and 1.5 million human beings are currently stored in cryogenic freezers in an embryonic

state throughout the United States, most unquestionally destined for eventual destruction. One to one and a half million babies frozen forever. It's like we used to talk about limbo for children who died without baptism in the Catholic Church, and they stopped talking about that recently. We have created a technological limbo ourselves. These IVF freezers have little frozen babies in them, and they will be frozen until somebody unplugs it. Now, listen, listen, this is so crazy. This is true, folks. This is true. I have a very dear friend lives in Florida, he and his wife adopted some of these embryos. Okay.

Now, they're about the size of a pencil on the page. We're talking, you know, the tiniest, it's like a few cells. I don't know if it's 16 cells or 32 cells. They adopted them, implanted them in his wife's womb, gave birth to them, and they now have these delightful children. I've met the children. So this is a thing. This is a real thing.

And it is amazing. to me that we have the technology now where we have to be having this conversation. But we've had the technology for, I don't know, 25, 30 years. We keep making more of them. We keep piling up millions, hundreds of thousands every

year of frozen babies and sticking them in these technological orphanages. This is IVF. Now, it's politically popular, but so was slavery once. And in my piece at the stream, I talk about all the weirdly parallel ways,

in which we talk about unborn children the way they used to talk about black people during slavery. It's so weird, but there are so many parallels. For instance, before 1860, white Americans saw black slaves as dangerous potential menaces to civilized society should they be set free. Well, today, born Americans see pre-born babies as threats to their sexual freedom and their lifestyle. In the past, before the Civil War, slave owners warned about the danger of the massacres that took place in Haiti when rebellious slaves rose up against their masters. Feminists constantly warn us, if we ban abortion, we're going to end up in the Handmaid's Tale, that wretched novel Margaret Atwood wrote specifically to attack Ronald Reagan for being for a life. Slavery advocates always warning, if you free the blacks, they're all going to starve to death or become criminals because they can't support them. self. Prochoicers always tell us, unwanted children, they're going to get abused, they're going to

be poor, they're going to commit crimes. In fact, there was this best-selling book, Freakonomics. Do you remember that book? Freakonomics? It had a whole chapter giving credit for the decline in crime that happened under people of Giuliani, giving credit to Roe v. Wade, because abortion got rid of the children who would have grown up in poverty and become criminals. So much for eugenics ending with the Nuremberg War Trials. And I want to tell people about another movie, Mafa 21, M-A-A-A-F-A-M-F-A-A-221 Black Genocide in 21st Century America, an incredibly powerful film about how the eugenics movement arose as a way of dealing with blacks who'd been set free, as a way of controlling them, trying to keep down their numbers,

trying to keep white supremacy in power. Darwinian materialists work together with the Ku Klux plan and Planned Parenthood to try to control and exploit Black Americans. Here's another parallel between unborn children and black slaves in America. Medical experiments. I don't know if you know this. There's a famous doctor James Marion Sims. There was a big statue of him in Central Park.

He was the father of modern gynecology. He pioneered all the tools that gynecologists used. Huge scientific pioneer. But he did his operations on black slave women without anesthetic because they thought at the time, they claimed to believe that black people didn't feel pain the way white people did. We all know about the Tuskegee syphilis experiments that were done on black people. Well, guess what? Unborn babies are now being exploited.

way slaves were. The COVID vaccine was created from a kidney cut out of the living body of an unborn baby. As David DeLuyden exposed in 2021, with NIH funds, with Francis Collins' approval, they did hundreds of live birth abortions where a baby comes out alive and they cut out their kidneys and their livers to do research for COVID. This happened in 2020. 2021 is part of the COVID panic with the approval of Arana. The approval of Francis Collins. Yeah. He is someone who spoke the year before I spoke at the National Prayer Breakfast or maybe

it was two years before, he was the speaker. So he is much celebrated as an evangelical Christian in the same way that Mike Pence and Speaker Mike Johnson are celebrated as evangelical Christians. And you're telling me that he. approved this stuff. I mean, it's very hard to process. Well, he was in charge of the NIH and the NIH approved it. So, I mean, I assume he approved it. He was in charge of the agency, you know? You have to hold public officials responsible for the things that happen when they're in charge. Correct. I mean, if he wants to sue me and prove in court that he didn't in fact

control the agency he was in control of, you know, he's welcome to all my assets, both beagles. He can sees them. It's just horrifying to me that we are, I mean, again, we're seeing a divide in the evangelical church. We're seeing a divide across society, but it's these elites, people, whether it's Mike Pence or Speaker Johnson or or I just mentioned Francis Collins, who seem to be willing to cut corners or to look the other way. And I think that they would say, well, I believe in civility. I don't believe in being in perpetual war. Sometimes you have to get the other side, you know, something.

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I've had Cynthia Garrett on this program before. What you didn't know, and I need you to listen carefully, what you did not know, is she has a brand new book out. The title, my staff tells me, is The Naked Truth, Reclaiming Sexual Freedom in a Culture of Lies. Cynthia, welcome back. Hi, Eric. I love being with you. Thank you for having me on. Well, listen, we have a lot of friends in common.

We will not mention them by name because Stephanie Whittier is very litigious. But I want to say that you and I, we have a lot of laughs. But what we're talking about today is important. It's serious. the book, it's your brand new book called The Naked Truth, Reclaiming Sexual Freedom and a Culture of Lies. What led you to this subject? You know, I think everything about my life

and everything about the sort of lies that I feel our culture historically sold to me as a young woman trying to navigate, you know, moving from childhood into my teen years, into my young adulthood. and becoming a married woman and sort of looking at all of the damage given to me by the feminist movement and the sexual revolution. And just this history that basically taught me that empowerment was all about owning your own body, saying yes and no one you wanted to. And, you know, boy, woohoo, I'm free to essentially abuse myself the way men did.

and all of this stuff that I was told that was supposed to protect me as a woman, I realized was just a bunch of malarkey. We're sold these lies in this matrix of culture. And the only truth that you can find in it is when you stop and you realize that the greatest freedom you find over your body is in a pure relationship with the Lord, is in understanding that you are God's son, that you are God's daughter, And in understanding that your freedom comes in learning to say no to all of the lies we're sold about sex and sexuality. That's your freedom.

That's your power. But we've said yes to bondage. And so my passion for other – my passion for my brothers and sisters in Christ and for the lost because I have a strong heart for evangelizing the lost. You know, my passion is – Well, listen, you're talking about truth. What we're talking about is not just for Christians, but it starts. with Christians, right? If a, as a Christian, it wasn't until I became serious about Jesus in my life that I started to understand certain things. And then you understand these things are true for

everybody. They're not true for me because I'm a Christian. But as a Christian, you know, people are obliged to know that if you think you're a Christian, sex outside of marriage is not God's will and it can do unbelievable harm. And the culture of lies, that's the title of your book, the naked truth reclaiming sexual freedom in the culture of lies. The culture of lies does not tell you how much harm you can do to yourself and others by going outside of God's planet. It pretends like, well, what's the worst that could happen? You know, oh, you'll have a good time or you, they act. They're basically not telling the truth. And so lives are being destroyed. Listen, when I was a very young man, I wrote about this in my memoir, Fish Out of Water. I was, you know, 22 years old.

and I'd been sold these lies, and I was part of an abortion. I've spoken about this publicly. Folks, you'll never forget that. You'll never forget that for the rest of your life. And yeah, you're guilty. So there's forgiveness in Jesus. But my goodness, how much better if you don't go down that path? Because the brokenness that comes out of that, I mean, we're not here to talk about me,

but I've lived this enough to know that we need to, be bold in speaking the truth to people who might be open to hearing it. Because you know, Cynthia, some people, they just don't want to hear this. But we are motive in talking about this is genuinely to help people. This is not to keep people from having fun. On the contrary. So the book is The Naked Truth, reclaiming sexual freedom in a culture of lies. So let's talk about this. Why do you use that term reclaiming sexual freedom? Well, because I believe that. that, you know, purity in your mind is about purity in your soul and about purity in your body. The pure relationship with Christ is understanding the love relationship that we have, right?

And pursuing that. In pursuing that, your body follows. So, you know, I use that title because the only way to reclaim sexual freedom is to actually walk in that purity. I have never felt more free. I never felt more honored, respected, loved, and cherished. prior to my deciding, you know what, I've done it my way a long time. I'm going to try it God's way, like fully God's way. I'm going to be abstinent.

And if it means I'm choosing to be alone, then so be it. I will be alone. And that will be, you know, the thing I lose myself in, right? You know, delight yourself in the Lord. And it's his pleasure to give you desires in your heart. Even that term, even people say alone, right? Oh, I don't want to be lonely. Well, guess what, folks?

If you're alone with God, you're not alone. but the lie, one of the lies of the culture is, you know what, you need to take care of you and you need to be with somebody. And you know, don't listen to that. And you think, well, that's not right. That's not true. You're not honoring yourself, much less honoring God. But that lie is out there.

There are people just say, well, I don't want to be alone. And you think, okay, so you're kind of calling God a liar because he tells you this is the right way. I think the bottom line, Cynthia, what we're talking about is that since you and I have been in this world, the world has become hypersexualized. It's very, very sick when it comes to sexuality. And we need to be honest and open about it. It's kind of like since we've been kids, the whole culture has been fed poison. And we are very, very sexually sick. And the idea of abstinence, of being pure, of doing what God says, it doesn't even seem to be on the table.

table. It's just not part of the narrative out there anywhere, except, you know, when you're talking to people who really know Jesus intimately and are being bold about that. Well, listen, part of the problem for that, Eric, is, I mean, the church is complicit in this. You know, as believers and as leaders in churches, as leaders, you know, with platforms, I look at even Christian media. No one wants to talk about it. If you understood the battles I went through, you know, with the title of my, I just wanted to write the book and put the word sex and call the book sex,

because it's such a taboo word even in the church. Oh, no, we can't sell it. Oh, no, no, no one will want to talk about this. Oh, no. Well, that's because Christian leadership has become more concerned with making people comfortable in their seat than actually challenge. Christians and making them awkward with the truth that sets them free. And so I think, you know, I think church culture and parents, Christian parents, they don't

know how to talk to their own kids about this. They don't understand that sex is sacred, so they don't create a culture in which they're raising their young people to understand that sex is this precious, sacred gift, man. It's awesome. And waiting for it isn't about who we want to crunch your buzz. waiting for it is about, hey, there is such joy and power in driving this car that you need to get fully licensed first before you get your driver's license. Oh, that's a good way of putting it. You need to get fully licensed first because, yeah, you might kill yourself.

Hey, we don't want to harsh your mellow, but you might kill yourself, you know, and you don't want to do that. Well, what you just said, I mean, I want to unpack this because the idea, of course, is that. that God created sex to create life. And it is a holy, sacred, beautiful thing. But it's been so denigrated by the materialist, godless, secular culture. It's just been reduced to, you know, it's like a sneeze. It's like a cough. Like there's nothing sacred and holy about it.

And when you think about God's view of sex, it is so magnificent. It is so sacred that you can have a totally different view of it. But the culture, and again, it has a lot to do with, you know, the idea that, oh, there's no God, therefore there's nothing particularly special about men or women or human beings. And so this is just this physical thing. It has no bearing on anything. When you and I know, it has a bearing on everything. It is one of the most glorious things that God ever did. And it's only in denigrating that that you can then lie to people and say, so it's no big deal, therefore do it whenever you feel like it. And, you know, who cares? Right, which has stemmed over into, you know, where we are today. I mean, the trans movement and the sort of outrage that everyone is experiencing with this movement coming after our children in schools and allowing them to choose their gender and giving, empowering them. I mean, we're talking about children here, right? You know, you talk about licensing. They're not empowered to go out and drive a car in the third grade.

So why are they empowered to determine their sex or their gender, you know, and to make. make these decisions that affect their lives forever. It's almost as if, and I can't even make this an other problem. This exists in the church. There are people sitting in church in pews who are struggling with these issues. And if we don't, like I thank you so much for opening a platform to talk about this, because if we don't talk about it, Eric, how do we win? How do we confront these issues?

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Welcome back, talking to my friend Cynthia Garrett. The book is The Naked Truth, reclaiming sexual freedom in a culture of lies. Cynthia, you were just saying how many churches avoid this subject. They're doing the people in the pews no favors. and that is, that's a wicked thing. And I want to talk about that in a minute because there are many people going to these useless churches. But before we get to that, I just want to get a little bit of your story.

Where did you grow up? How did you come to have, in my notes, it says you're the first African-American woman in the United States to host a network late-night show. How did you get there? And how did you come to this point in life where you're talking so openly, about your faith in Jesus. What, like, what's that story? Wow. Well, you know, first of all, Eric, I was sexually abused as a little girl. And so my relationship with Jesus started very early on when I knew that he was sitting down in my room with me at night after this thing would happen

at the hands of a relative. And, you know, I was seven years old, didn't understand it, but I knew that there was God and I knew he was there comforting me. So it was very pure my relationship with the Lord. Then I moved into secular Hollywood. It was always my dream to have my own television shows, to work on TV, blah, blah, Barbara Walters and Johnny Carson were my heroes. I, you know, went to high school at Beverly Hills High School. I graduated high school. I charged, you know, went to law school at USC, graduated law school and charged straight into freelancing interviews with celebrities in the circle, really, that I had kind of grown up. in. So I end up, sending my tape, I cold call this sort of mock late-night interview show that I put together, sent it to Amanda Marketkin, who was the head of television reality and alternative at William Morris. And to be really honest with you, was signed at William Morris, and within six months was launched as one of the faces of VH1. At the time the channel was becoming really famous because of behind the music.

and all of the great programming they used to do when they did programming and not just reality shows. From there, I really, Paramount picked me up, put me into a deal from there. NBC grabbed me and put me into this late-night vehicle. It was a vehicle created for Bob Costas that Greg Kinnear eventually took over. It was languishing in the late-night lineup on NBC after Leno and Conan for years. I went in and did a couple of test shows. on a late night show called Later, knocked a bunch of tens out of the park in the ratings

when ratings actually mattered and you could get a 10 in network television, right? And they rebranded the show later with Cynthia Garrett and I launched there. I used to sit in with Regis, you know, after Kathy Lee left. I just, I've hosted everything from network late night to cable to, you know, kind of had my shows everywhere. But Eric, throughout the whole thing,

this pure relationship I had with Christ was always there. I had had experiences where I ran off, ended up in an abusive marriage prior to working on television, found the Lord in a prison cell in Italy. That's the title of my first book, Prodigal Daughter. You got to buy that one because it's a whole other show. Wait a minute. What? What?

You found the Lord in a prison cell? Because people are looking for him. If only they knew he was in a prison cell in Italy, they'd probably go there right now. What are you saying, Cynthia? Yeah. I mean, you've got to give me 30 seconds there. What? What? Okay. 30 seconds on my testimony is while I was in the process of trying to, you know, navigate graduating law school and working on television, I meet a guy and runoff in the midst of what I didn't know was me having a real break about my sexual abuse. I was in my early 20s. I was looking for love in all the wrong places. No one was telling me that abstinence and, you know, no one was talking to me about all these issues. I was in secular Hollywood. And even my. friends who were celebrities who claimed to be Christians were secular Christians. So I was this young

girl. You know that? The word in the original Greek, that's called hypocrites. Please continue. I love that. And thank you for clarifying. Because yeah, all I saw, yes, all I saw around me was the hypocrisy of what people called Christianity. So I ran off, you know, with a guy that I met and in three months married him, ended up in a foreign country. I was in Italy where, we got married in Paris. He took me to Italy on a honeymoon. On that honeymoon, I discovered that he was trafficking drugs in our car, and this guy that I ran off after three months and married ended up being revealed to me

as I was arrested with him as having a fake identity, a fake life, and I became a star witness in a trial against him for the next two years. But I spent the first three months in a jail cell in Italy pleading my innocence and trying to unravel the mess that had become of my life then. I didn't know that you spent three months in a jail cell in Italy. I have to be clear. Was the food at least not that bad? It was Italy.

The food was actually crazy. But I mean, holy cow. So you wrote a book about this. What's the title of that book? Because I want people to hear it. That book is called A Prodigal Daughter, A Journey Home to Identity. Prodigal Daughter. So that's the story of your testimony.

But so you've had this crazy ride. And when you were in that jail cell in Italy, everything falls apart, you said Jesus comes into your life in a new way. Yeah. First of all, a nun there gave me the only English-speaking Bible she could find on the island I was on. I was on the island of Sardinia. And it was a New Testament. That's all it was. Unbeknownst to her, I was raised a Catholic.

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It has become utterly meaningless as a term because there's so many people that, they barely know the basics. And the most basic thing is sexual integrity, that God made sex for marriage. It's this beautiful, sacred thing. If you don't know that, you can go wrong in every different kind of way. And you and I have experienced that, and we've seen it around us. And the church needs to be bold. But it sounds like you're saying that a lot of Christians and a lot of churches, they don't even want to talk about this. They don't want to talk to you about this. They don't want to promote your book because they'd rather, I don't know, fill the pews, I guess. I mean, this is pretty bleak to say, but it's what I've seen.

Well, and also I think, Eric, it's difficult for the church at a leadership level to acknowledge that there are so many broken leaders on pulp that's leading churches. Now, that doesn't shock me or surprise me, nor does it disappoint me because broken people break other people. and we know that we live in a world in which there are trials and tribulations. They start from childhood, right? But by the time you get to be a leader on a pulpit, what we have seen, and if we're all honest, in the last five years, is the massive destruction of major church movements, of really big-name pastors who, you know, have all fallen into their own form of sexual sin and sexual bondage. And then it comes out after the fact that, well, maybe they were struggling with their own childhood sexual abuse,

or just with their own lust issues. And the reality is, everyone talks about pastoral reformation. I'm here waving a white flag saying, what about flock restoration? Because the flock is literally walking around, running into each other, going, where are the good shepherds? Is it true that only Jesus is the good shepherd?

Yeah, we know that. But we've got to really start to deal with. I think a lot of the silence is because there's so many people in leadership positions who don't want to actually acknowledge their own issues with their own relationship to sex and sexuality. If that, listen, my husband builds some of the biggest hotels around the world and casinos and resorts. He had the GM of Hilton Corporation tell him one year. He's at a specific location.

He said, you know, the highest rate of pornography on the hotel channel every year, is one of the Christian conferences in town. I've never forgotten that. Huge indictment of a Christian church conference that would come to their town and the hotel knew they were going to get an uptick in pornography use on the hotel channels. Come on.

We have to start to talk about this. Well, that is so bleak. It's a funny thing because a lot of what I've been talking about, this is my new book is called Religionist Christianity. And I think part of what I see is how a lot of churches and Christian leaders, they're all about theology and the Bible, but they kind of spiritualize things and they forget about the basics, right? My dad, my father-in-law, both of whom would have not described themselves as evangelical Christians, but they knew the basics. I don't cheat on my wife.

I don't lie. Like, they got that. And I think we forget that these are the basics, and we need to talk about the basics. And you don't really need to have complex theology to understand. This is basic, basic stuff. And I really think that churches, oftentimes, they get so theological, they forget about the basics. And they ask, like, the only thing that matters is that you've accepted Jesus as Savior and you believe that it. Well, you know what?

There are plenty of people who accept Jesus as Savior technically, but who don't let him in to every part. part of their lives. And so have they accepted him? Do we have a very, very thin definition of what it means to accept Jesus, to make him Lord? And so, you know, this is the stuff that obviously we need to talk about. So just got a couple minutes left. The book is The Naked Truth, reclaiming sexual freedom in a culture of lies. Cynthia Garrett, what else can we say about the book, what you say in the book? Well, there is hope, you know, and I really, I try to end. the book really painting the picture of what you can do to walk your way out of impurity. This isn't the old-fashioned purity doctrine. That was horrible for the church. All it did was put a

bunch of rules like the Pharisees did on the backs of the flock and it gave them no help. Instead, we need to be pointing people to the fact that we are all sinners in need of a savior. And that's saviors in the same old business he's been in all along. He comes in and he helps us. We don't have to fight our issues on our own. We have help. We just have to grab onto his hand and commit ourselves to wanting to have a pure relationship with him. It all starts there. So the purity revolution that I'm calling for in my book, ultimately, is for us to actually revolutionize our minds as believers and stop secularizing ourselves and our children by avoiding talk about things that matter to God.

He created sex. It's sacred. It's his, it's his design for our lives. And we've got to stop acting like, well, it's okay when more than 90% of the church is okay with premarital sex. They're actively engaging in premarital sex. I mean, I've got to say it's an amazing thing to me. And it does scandalize me to some of the same. Because I thought it doesn't get more basic than that.

Like that's very, very basic. That's not complicated. It's not kind of like, oh, I didn't understand. sex outside of marriage is sinful, and to wink at that sin is to open a door to a lot of pain and brokenness. And yes, God's in the business of forgiving and redeeming, and we get that. But my goodness, if you can't be clear as a bell on the most basic of basics that sex is made for marriage only. And if you follow that, you will be blessed. You will be blessed.

It's God's will. Cynthia, we're out of time. Just a joy to see you, to talk to you. The book is The Naked Truth, reclaiming Sexual Freedom in a culture of lies. Cynthia, thank you so much. Thank you, Eric. It's always good to see you, and I love what you do. So thank you.

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