The Eric Metaxas Show - Danielle D'Souza Gill

Episode Date: November 14, 2020

Danielle D'Souza Gill, daughter of Dinesh D'Souza, has an important message about the substantial divide in America over abortion, and provides insights from her new book, "The Choice."

Welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show. It's the show about everything. And we do mean everything. Yes, even that. Yep, and that too. Oh, you bet. Definitely that. Now here's everything you want to know, host, Eric Mataxis.

Hey there, folks. Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show. We try to get good guests. We almost always fail. Today is an exception. We got a great guest today. She's very young. At least I think of her as very young.

She's the daughter of my friend Dinesh D'Souza. and the, you know, the daughters or sons of my friends have to be, by definition, kids. But Danielle is not really a kid. She's married. I was at the wedding. Danielle, it's a joy to have you on. Welcome, and congratulations on your new book. Well, I am honored to be here.

Thank you for having me. Well, this book is an important book. You, you DeSuzes get serious, even though your new surname is DeSuzza Gil. This is an important book that you've written. I know because I've read it. You write about abortion and the title of the book is The Choice, the Abortion Divide in America. This is not your first book, but let me ask you, why did you write a book about abortion and what did you think could be said about abortion that hasn't already been said?

Well, I felt like the abortion debate had gotten very stagnant in the sense that, you know, a lot has actually changed since 1973. and Roe v. Wade, you know, back then people said things like, you know, maybe there's potential life in the womb and maybe we have to give it the benefit of the doubt and so on. But with the development of ultrasound, with seeing the baby in the womb, hearing the heartbeat, with viability moving earlier and earlier, there are just so many new facts when it comes to abortion. I think also the left has changed on abortion. They've moved from safe, legal, and rare to kind of this radical pro-abortion policy. So I really wanted to take on the left's most powerful pro-choice.

myths and debunk them in a way that's very accessible to people where they feel like, you know, no matter what argument the other side makes, I can respond to it. You've just said a couple of really important things that I want to at least underscore. The idea that the debate has changed dramatically is not often said. You're quite right that in 1973, science didn't know very much. And today, science tells us there's no question of what is in there. We have pictures. We hang those pictures up on our refrigerators when mommy gets pregnant. We don't pretend it's a lump of cells until it comes out of mommy.

That's really important, the science that we have and the imaging technology. But also, as you said, the debate on the other side has changed. We're no longer talking about even Clinton in the 90s, that we want abortion. to be safe, legal, and rare. The idea that it should be rare seems less mentioned than that it is something that is empowering. It's something that is good, that women are shouting their abortions. That's a pretty dramatic change from the stance of pro-abortion people even 10 and 15 years ago.

Exactly. And I think that's why so many Democrats, you know, who are older, find it just shocking how the left is really, pushing abortion, not as, you know, the lesser of two evils, but as a positive good. And I think that, too, what we see is that even with the New York Times, buying, you know, a publication like Teen Vogue so that they can run, you know, abortion pill articles to target young girls, they, you know, Michelle Williams accepts her Golden Globe Award saying, you know, without this right to choose, without abortion, I wouldn't be here accepting this award today. This idea that abortion is empowerment and this idea that it's a good thing. I think it's really kind of the Democrats line of argument, but doesn't actually

resonate with most Americans. I think it needs to be said that if you don't believe that you kill the baby or a human being, then I understand their logic, right? It's like I didn't have the baby and it enabled me to do all these kinds of things, but they're not really dealing with the issue that because of the science that we have today, we know you're taking a life. Stevie Nix, not your generation, but mine very recently said that if she hadn't had an abortion, Fleetwood Mac would have never come into existence. And it just makes me want to weep. It really makes me want to weep. Anybody who knows that story in depth, there are so many women who are probably looking for good reasons to have had their abortion to make them feel better about it, because I think a lot of women

rightly don't feel great about it, but they're not given permission in this society to say that damaged me, that wounded me. So I'm looking for something to say that some good came out of it. Exactly. Some of the articles put out in, you know, Cosmopolitan and these other places are basically saying, here's why my abortion was awesome. Or, you know, three, four abortions I've had, and it was great. But if we actually talk to women, that's not the story that they tell us.

And most women who share their stories on it say, you know, that was a really horrible time in my life. And I think the sad thing, the biggest sad thing is that the Democrats really try to pull the wool over women's eyes. And that's why Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics don't want to show women their ultrasound because they know that whenever women see their ultrasound, they're much more likely to walk out of the clinic and not get the abortion. Well, that's the truth. In other words, here you have Planned Parenthood hiding the science because the science works against them. They're afraid if people can see what technology can show. them very easily, they will not spend the money that Planned Parenthood exists to get.

What do you want to see happening regarding Roe v. Wade? There's a lot of misunderstanding around the country about Roe v. Wade, and obviously with Amy Coney Barrett now, it seems possible that that ruling could be overturned. What do you think? I think it's been brewing for a long time. I think that, you know, the pro-life side, we've been so used to fighting in the courts and so used to losing. But, you know, something I say to pro-lifers is, are we ready to win in the courts?

Because there is going to be such a firestorm so much worse than people dressed as Handmaid's Tale and so on, showing up to the court. And I think that the left will absolutely go berserk, and they're basically ready for it. I think that a big reason they actually hate Donald Trump so much is because they know he's remaking our courts, and they know that that impact will last far beyond his four years or eight years in office. And even if we look at the Cabinal hearings, they try to

make it seem like it was about the Me Too movement and so on. But Christine Blasey Ford's lawyer, Deborah Katz, talked about how Roe v. Wade is part of what motivated Christine. And I think at this point, now that we've gotten Amy Coney Barrett, the left is basically ready for Roe v. Wade to be overturned. And that's why Biden has been talking about. how they, you know, basically plan to replicate the same thing in the legislature once Roe v. Wade is overturned. And that's why they won't deny that they're going to try to pack the court and so on. So I think the left knows that the overturning of Roe v. Wade is near. And so I hope that our side is ready for that. Well, what I find bizarre is that they act as though overturning

Roe v. Wade is the end of abortion in America. It is not. There will be legal, quote, unquote, abortion in America if over if roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow. There was legal abortion in America before the 1973 January Roe v. Wade ruling. The only issue is it goes back to the courts, I'm sorry, it goes back to the states, which means it goes back to the people. So people can actually vote on this. But we, you know, and I know that people in places like California, in New York, and a host of other states will obviously uphold the idea of legal. abortion. So to me, it seems like a red herring, that they use it to say that women are going to be oppressed, but it's simply not a fact. Yeah, I mean, they use it as a scare tactic to say that,

you know, first of all, abortion is even health care. And second of all, to say that we're going to take away these women's rights to do this. No, I mean, in reality, Roe v. Wade just blocks states from passing things like heartbeat bills. So whenever states do pass those, they're unfortunately struck down as unconstitutional, even though the people, in that state say we want to restrict abortion, but as long as Roe v. Wade is in place, they can't do it. Well, I am amazed by the confusion on Roe v. Wade. A lot of lawyers that I know who are pro-abortion still say Roe v. Wade is bad law, that it was just a ham-fisted, kind of, you know, gerrymandered piece of legislation. It doesn't really make sense legally, and it doesn't, it doesn't really make sense legally,

and if you want to find a place in the constitution that says abortion is a fundamental right, you know, you'll have to do better. We're going to go to a break. Folks, I'm talking to Danielle DeSouza Gill. The new book is The Choice. The Abortion Divide in America. Very important. Don't go away.

Hey there, folks. I'm talking to Danielle Desusa Gil. I always said Denise DeSuzza's daughter, Danielle. That's not right. Danielle DeSouza Gill. Danielle, you've written a book on one of the most important topics of our time, abortion. It's called The Choice, the Abortion Divide in America. It has a beautiful cover, and I think covers matter.

But it really does look like it was written principally for women because it's very pink. Would it be fair to say that even though I'm man enough to read the book, that it was written principally for women? Well, I would say it's written for everyone, but I think the reason why I wanted the book to be pink is because pink is the color the Planned Parenthood uses for all of their branding. And the left tries to make it out like abortion is empowering by, you know, using pink and all this imagery. And I felt like the pink really had to be taken back to our side to show that actually, you know, pro life is pro woman and pro child. And all of the little girls in the womb currently have no voice. So that's why I wanted to make it pink. And also because I felt like a lot of the traditional kind of pro-life pamphlet branding of the woman's stomach with the baby was a little bit outdated. So I wanted something kind of modern and different. You talk in your book about pro-choice myths and there are a ton of them. What are some of those pro-choice myths and what do you say about them? Yeah, I think the most popular ones are a fetus is a cluster of cells.

It's a human, but it's not a person or my body, my choice. or maybe, you know, I'm personally pro-life, but I can't impose my views on another person. Or what about all of the kids who will be unwanted? What about the welfare state? How will we pay for them? What about if the child suffers in this world? It doesn't deserve to live. What about the fact there's so many other people suffering in the world?

Why should we care about the fetus? Maybe it kind of just sucks for you to be that fetus. And so I kind of dive into all corners of the debate that I think. feel like people actually ask me about and want to know about. The one thing that I'm always amazed by, I mentioned it on Twitter the other day. People always talk about a woman saying she's not ready to raise a child. And I think to myself, nobody's asking you to raise a child. You're being asked to bear the child that's inside you, but there are hosts of people dying

to raise that child and love that child as their own. And we've ceased to talk about that as an option, that there are people who are just dying to adopt a child. So you do not need to raise that child if you feel incapable, but you do need to have that child because that child is a person. Exactly. I think that oftentimes the left really wants to pit it, you know, as mother against child, as, you know, the man against the woman and kind of all of these dichotomies. But in reality, the choice before someone, if they say, you know, I definitely don't. don't want to raise this child, it's adoption or abortion. And I think the fact that we don't push adoption enough just shows that, you know, wow, they're actually about 35 families waiting for every child available to be adopted. So we could absolutely find homes for all of these kids. And it's

very difficult to adopt. Many parents wait, you know, a year. They go through long processes. Sometimes they have to look abroad to adopt because it's so hard to adopt. So I think, you know, if we really want to talk about what Planned Parenthood, in the sense of planning would be, it would actually be adoption services and, you know, kind of organizing that whole operation. Yeah, I mean, it's, it really is something that we need to talk about more. And I think that part of what has happened in the women's movement and the feminist movement is it becomes very selfish. In other words, it's an angry anti-man thing.

It's kind of like, I'm tired of living for you. I need to live for myself. And that bleeds into this idea that, I'm tired of living for some theoretical child. I need to live for me. And, you know, being selfless and concerned with others is always a good thing. And taking the tremendous trouble to bear a child, we know that it's asking very much of a woman. But it's the kind of thing you think, well, it's the least you can do.

If you want to raise the child, that's great. But at least go to the trouble of letting that person have. have life. Let me ask you, what is some of the strongest arguments on the pro-choice side? Because, you know, there are some. Well, I think most pro-lifers would probably agree the hardest are the very, you know, rare circumstances of rape and incest because we all agree that those are horrible situations. So I think kind of how the left actually got abortion going was by saying, oh, you know, look at this special circumstance, look at this situation. And a lot of people said, wow, you know,

okay, maybe abortion in certain situations. But in reality, abortion goes on, you know, far beyond those certain situations. But even if we look at those, I think what's really ironic is the fact that the left pushes the death penalty for the child and not for the rapist. They oftentimes want, you know, much lesser sentences on serial killers and rapists. And, you know, but for the child, you know, let's just let the child die. And I think if we look at the situation, the reality is the child had absolutely nothing to do with that circumstance. It was not the child's fault. And as we talked about adoption, another family would see that

child completely out of that light, out of that circumstance, and see it as a joy and something, you know, to welcome into their home. But when it comes to, you know, the rape itself, I think the solution is we have to stop that from occurring in the first place. Well, it's an amazing thing because, you know, I have had people on this program who are the product of rape. And you realize they don't seem like the product of rape. They seem like you and me. They're people. And the idea that somehow a child conceived in rape is any different than any other child, ultimately it's not. In God's eyes, it's not. And in its own eyes, if it's given the opportunity to live, it's not. It can make its own choices. And so the idea that we would add to the horror of rape by killing, it's, it's not. It's a

It's, you know, I think we don't get that argument out enough. And there are some terrible circumstances and we have to, our heart goes out. But the solution is not killing the child. It's just, it's wild to me to think that we don't talk about that more, more often. I want to just touch real quickly on the president. I recently had a conversation with somebody very close to the president who told me something that the president has never said publicly. about how he, when Baron was born,

he and his wife, Melania, changed their views. They were both pro-abortion. And something happened and they changed the views. But you can see the president is very diffident about talking about that, but his actions speak louder than words. He has been, without any question, the most pro-choice, sorry,

the most pro-life president we have ever seen. And you think, my goodness, what happened? Well, clearly something happened. I know that you're working for his reelection. Tell us about that. Well, yes, I mean, President Trump has been one of the most pro-life presidents we've had in history. I think the fact that so many other Republicans often, you know, talk about being pro-life and act like they're pro-life. But then when it comes down to it, they don't actually do anything.

And I think it was great how President Trump held Planned Parenthood accountable to Title X. He basically said, hey, Planned Parenthood, you know, if you want to keep receiving. funding, you kind of have to uncomingle your abortion services from your other services. And Planned Parenthood said, no, we can't uncomingle them because they're so key to everything we do in every clinic. So they lost that Title X funding. But I think also just looking at the R&C, how many pro-life speakers he had every night, you know, seeing him at the March for Life, all of those things. And I think on the campaign trail, I've seen that, you know, life actually is something that matters to a lot of people. Whenever we talk about getting kind of, you know, Hispanic voters or

suburban women and all these things, I mean, when they hear this like radical pro-abortion rhetoric from Kamala Harris and Joe Biden talking about even how their faith, you know, somehow justifies their pro-abortion policies, I think it's very outputting to people. And I think this actually is a winning issue for us, even though so many Republicans kind of distance themselves from life in the past, I think we should absolutely embrace it. Well, I think you're right, and I think that the cowardice of some Republicans on this issue is horrific. This president is the first president, and he's always the first with things like this.

He didn't say when he was running the first time or when he had just come into the office. He did not say, I want to appoint just a point just. to the Supreme Court who are originalists or constitutionalists, he said, I want to appoint justices who are pro-life. And I thought even Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush would never dare to say such a thing. That to me is one of the boldest statements I've ever heard a president make at potential risk, I would say, to himself politically. Exactly. And I think back, too, to when he was debating Hillary Clinton in 2016, and he was asked about, I think, late-term abortion and partial birth abortion.

He was so honest. He just said, that is ripping the child from the mother's womb, you know, in the ninth month. And Hillary then tried to pivot and say, oh, you know, it's so unfortunate that you're using this rhetoric and so on. But I think, you know, most Americans see the reality. They see that this is killing. It's a brutal thing to say, but I think you're right. And I do think that mostly Republicans underestimate. how important this issue is to so many people,

and particularly to your generation, which knows that it could have legally been aborted, and any of you, people born after 1973, you dodged a bullet. We're going to be right back talking to Danielle DeSouza Gill. The book is The Choice. It is all about abortion. Don't go away.

Folks, I'm talking to Danielle DeSuzza Gil. She is an author and commentator lives right here in New York City, and she has a book out. The author of Bucson, Bonhofer read her book and said this about it. He writes, in the Civil War, America ended the national sin of slavery. But what of our present national abomination? In the choice, Danielle de Sousa Gill gives the grim subject of abortion,

the treatment it deserves. May God use this book to help America do the right thing once again. I hate to tell people, but I'm the author of Bonhofer, and I said that. I do see this as the issue of our time. America did the right thing in the Civil War. And I think because of some of the things you referenced, we may be on the verge of doing the right thing again or at least moving in that direction.

What is your sense of where we're going? I absolutely sense that. I think that, you know, we talk today so much about compassion, so much about human rights, so much about, you know, including everyone. And I think that when it comes to the unborn, they are absolutely the most vulnerable, the most trampled on in our society. And the fact that so many of us are willing to not stand up for the unborn, including many Christians, the fact that they're willing to stay silent on this issue and they're willing to,

you know, vote for candidates who advocate for the killing of these innocent lives shows us that, you know, we really are in the fight of our lives. But I think that every day there are more and more people coming over to our side because they see the truth of what abortion is. and they see the facts when it comes to, you know, this is a human being. This is a unique life. And this life is vulnerable. And we have to protect it.

And if we don't, then no one will. And I said it earlier, but it seems to me that younger people in particular know that they might have not made it into this world because of Roe v. Wade. Like I just think that, you know, if you're part of a family of three kids or two kids or whatever, you think, huh, if mom and dad, had a really bad fight when I was first conceived, there's a great chance mom would have said, I don't think I want to bring a child into this family. I don't know if this family is going to last and just go, you know, take a trip to the abortion clinic. I think a lot of young people know that their life hung by a thread. And previous generations never had that sense. But when I talk to young people, I get that idea that they realize that, you know, maybe there's three of them,

but there could have been four or five, and they were one of the lucky ones. Exactly. I mean, the greatest privilege in America is just the privilege to be born. We've had 61 million abortions since Roe v. Wade, 61 million deaths. And so even just the idea of being born in the first place and then being born in America, I mean, wow, those are two huge blessings. And so I think if we really, you know, want to have a country where we've follow life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, we have to start with life. You know, once we have life and once people have that, then, okay, we can start trying to make their lives better on earth. But we have to have life because if we don't have life,

we have nothing. Well, that says it all, doesn't it? I think part of, for me, because you know, my wife, Suzanne, we, you know, Suzanne ran the pregnancy center here in New York City for 12 years. And one of the things that the media never talks about is women being bullied into having abortions by men. You always hear it as an empowering thing. But many times if that woman had a man willing to stand by her, she would be delighted to have that child. But the man abandons her or even threatens her that he'll leave her and won't take care of her. And then the other thing that you hear about is women who have had abortions, who have profound regrets. and woundedness over it. They also don't have permission to tell their stories. Those are two stories

on this issue that I'm just amazed that the mainstream media, particularly women, never talk about. Exactly. And I think it's because the left is very afraid of family. They're afraid to talk about, you know, the dynamics between men and women. They're afraid to talk about, oh, you know, well, what are we going to do if the man wants to help? And of course, we know that in the situations where he does, he's excluded and left out of the debate and he has no right. and, you know, the left always talks about men being vulnerable and sharing their feelings and all this. But in reality, what breaks the hearts of men the most is losing a child and having absolutely no say in what happens to their child, feeling the sense of helplessness. So I think a great solution would be getting fathers involved in the situation and also making sure that, you know, they have equal rights with the woman.

Well, it is a strange thing, isn't it? I mean, we act sometimes as though, you know, conceiving a child is kind of like acne. It's something that just happens and, you know, we're not quite sure why, but we know why it happens. And we're living in a culture that has so elevated this idea that everyone can and should have sex with whomever, that it has nothing to do with having a family. That's really new. And I think that if you think that way, then you have to do this horrible thing and say, well, I guess we're just going to have to have plenty abortion available to everyone because

the other side has become, the other solution has become unthinkable to us, that we would need to think more carefully about who we're sleeping with. Exactly. That's the last thing the left wants anyone to think. They talk about, you know, sex education and all of this, but they don't actually educate people when it comes to sex. They don't actually educate them when it comes to family or when it comes to raising a child or any of that. And abortion really is being used to birth control. The left oftentimes uses the statistic that says that one and four women will get an abortion, but the reality is not that one and four women get an abortion. It's actually the same women who do it again and again. So if you get an abortion, you're much more likely to have another

one. So it is being used as birth control, kind of by a very select group of people, and a lot of other women will never get an abortion. We're going to go to a break. We'll be right back. I'm talking to Danielle DeSuzza Gill. The book is the choice, the abortion divide. in America. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Danielle D'Souza Gil. She has written a new book called The Choice, The Abortion Divide in America.

Danielle, we were talking earlier about the parallel with slavery. Many times people read my book on Wilberforce and they say, when I was reading it, it just felt so similar to what we're going through with the abortion issue in America, that there's some people that thought it was normal and okay, but we've kind of gotten to a place where we all know that was wrong. How did we ever think that that was normal? It seems to me that that is a parallel worth making. Absolutely. I think so many of the arguments we hear today

in favor of abortion were made in the same fashion, but in favor of slavery. I think this goes for, you know, the same idea of choice. The Democrats back then argued in favor of popular sovereignty, this idea that each state could vote up or down on abortion or sorry, slavery at the time. Each state could decide, you know, we want to have the choice to do this or not. And that was kind of how it started. But then they moved to, wait, wait, no, slavery is actually a positive good. Slavery is actually good for the slave, as well as the slave owner. And I think that moves to kind of the argument we hear today with better off dead, which is that this is actually good for the child. We're actually helping them. Actually, this is a good thing for our country, you know, this idea of choice.

So it all mirrors, I think, what we saw with slavery. And I think what it'll be most shocking is when we kind of go to the future and people look back to now, just as how we look back to slavery and say, oh my gosh, horrific, why didn't more people do things? Why didn't more people speak about this? I think that's how they'll look back at us in the future to now regarding abortion. they'll say why weren't more people involved in the pro-life movement. And what I like to say to Christians is that actually very few people were abolitionists in the time of slavery. Many people said, I don't really want to get involved. It's kind of too much for me.

And I think that's how people see life today. They say, you know, I'm a Christian. I think it's bad. But I don't really want to get my hands dirty. But in reality, this is the greatest genocide of our time. Well, it's interesting to me, too, that you have people daring. like Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi, daring to say that they are Catholic Christians when the reality is that the Catholic Church has been the staunchest voice against abortion. But it seems like in latter years,

Catholic bishops have been more quiet about this. And they make it seem almost as though, well, we don't want to push that too hard. But the idea that somebody like a Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi could stand against 2,000 years of church tradition and fight for the right to abortion, it's a kind of a madness that we're in right now. And you can, I guess, understand why so many people are confused. Yes, it really is sickening. I was doing a pro-life event with Father Frank Pavone, and he talked about how he's received more support as far as pro-life from President Trump than he has from the Vatican. And I think that just goes to show that there are so many Christians who have said, I will do nothing on this.

I will remain silent or maybe even hinder my pro-life, you know, fellow Christians. And I think we see the left now. They are trying to appropriate God and trying to kind of use God as arguments for abortion. So, you know, whenever Kamala Harris or Joe Biden talk about the fact that it's their faith or that they're Catholic and so on, in order to justify abortion, I'm just in shock. Well, Father Pavone is a hero. And it's just a funny thing because you get this all over the map, right? I mean, here you have a Catholic priest who has given his life for this issue.

He just, you know, he's the head of a priest for life. And there are so many, I don't know what you call them, hypocrites, people that are quiet. They claim to be Catholic or they claim to be Christian. But on this issue, they just sort of, you know, but they put their finger in the wind and they sense that, well, maybe this is not a winner for me. I'll be quiet about it. And I think it is no different than people who said, I'm going to be quiet about slavery. or I'm going to be quiet about the Nazis. You know, I don't want to lose my job and, you know,

hey, everybody else is going along with it. This is where you need real virtue. You need to say, what does God say? What is right? What is wrong? And even if you're not a Christian, just believing in right and wrong, just believing the idea that this is a life. I was once exactly like that.

Everyone was once exactly like that. And the idea that somebody could deprive me of breathing and having the opportunity to live, it's just an extraordinary thing. but there are more and more voices. I know Abby Johnson read your book. Tell us briefly about Abby because she's a hero. Yes, yes.

I also read about her in my book as well as Father Prolon, both heroes and yourself, many pro-life heroes out there. I think Abby Johnson's story is really powerful because hers is more of a testimony and personal story to what she experienced at Planned Parenthood. And she was a Planned Parenthood director. So she kind of saw firsthand what abortion is and, you know, worked there for many years, saw the suction go after the baby, saw the baby try to get away.

So that is something I write about in the book. But I think as far as what you mentioned regarding, you know, the religious side and people not standing up for this, I think it just goes to show that the choices being made in life. And, you know, whether we jump on board with this, it's not about the, you know, recognition we get. It's not about kind of the people around us saying, you're awesome, you're great, even if they're in the Christian community. It's really about, you know, what does God say? What does God think on this issue? And how will we spend our time on earth?

Will we spend it on things that really matter? Or will we spend it, you know, kind of just wanting to be liked by everyone? Well, that's the whole thing. It's like we have to look at ourselves in the mirror. We have to speak the truth. And I think a lot of people need to be encouraged to do that, which is why I'm so glad for your voice, among others, and so glad for this book.

I mean, when Abby Johnson chose to tell her story, it is so chilling to think that here she is participating as a director in Planned Parenthood. And then one day, some people know the story, she's called in because they needed help and there was nobody there. So she sort of steps in and see something she'd never seen before. And she was just ashen-faced horrified that she just saw a human being fighting for its life. the doctor joked about it when he sucked that child apart, rips its body apart. It's so horrifying. And I thought, this is happening every day in America. And if we don't have the guts to face it, we certainly shouldn't be pro-abortion unless we know the detail. So people need to know

all the details of what they're supporting. And I guess that's my long-winded way of saying, I'm so glad for your book, Danielle, because you get into this stuff. I mean, I think if people are unfamiliar with what's in your book, they really have no business saying, oh, I think abortion is fine. It's not fine. I dare you to read the book, folks. Danielle, I know you're going to be doing a lot of talking on this subject. I'm just, I'm proud of you, since I've known you since you were 14 or 15. It's just wonderful to see what you're doing. Congratulations on this book, The Choice. And I hope God blesses you as you talk about it. much needed and so are you. Thank you so much. Well, thank you so much for having me. You're so

inspiring and I really appreciate this great conversation. Thank you. Folks, welcome back. As promised, a surprise. At the end of hour two, which is where we are right now, I said, let's save it for then. Here's a surprise. I could say anything right now. Surprise. It's really, really crazy. Like, I don't want to freak you out, but I had an operation and this is not my original head. But on radio, people wouldn't, wouldn't be able to tell. No, here's the big surprise. People have been writing us, that's to say, you folks have been writing us saying, how can we buy the Eric McIntaxia show T-shirt? They're not available anymore. How can we buy the Air McCormantaxis show? Cap, because people love the caps. How can we buy the coffee mugs? Those are

the best. Blah, blah, blah. And I said, wow, if people really want this stuff, what can we do, Albin, what can we do to get this stuff available again? And they never answered my emails. Okay. Now I got it. But then eventually, but then eventually we pulled it off. And so this announcement is that if you go to our website metaxis talk.com right below Georgie, Georgie's the little doggy standing at my feet. Right below Georgie, there's the banner. It's the Eric Metaxus store. Is that what it says? I can never remember what it says. Yeah, it's called shopmetaxis. And if you go to shopmetaxis.com, you'll also get there. Well, it says shop now, doesn't it?

Or what does it say? Anyway, the point is, when you go there, it says the Eric Mataxis show, Shop Now, you can get Donald the Caveman books. You can get, the main reason we're telling you this is that the mugs, the t-shirts, and the hats are available. But here's the really big surprise. They are priced insanely low. Yeah.

Insanely low. This is not too much more than cost. We ordered enough so that we could get the costs way, way, way down. So the hat is how much, Albin? The hat is $699, so $7. The t-shirts only $9.99, $10, or three for $25. And the mug, the mug is very cheap to and there's a limited supply. It doesn't seem possible to me to do it that cheap.

I'm not even joking. The mug, it says $4.99 for the mug. Shipping is more than $4.99 in the mug. That's like insane. Yeah. And there's a limited supply on the mug, so you better go now and get it. I'm not seeing the T-shirts. You've got to go to Categories apparel.

Yeah, you've got to go to apparel. All right, folks, I am not kidding. This is the same quality that we've ever had. This is not much more than cost, okay? This is not much more the cost. I'm just telling you Christmas gifts, whatever you want, these are very cheap. The hats, $6.99. Hats like this easily go for $1699 or $1,000.

I mean, this is a nice hat. Yep. The t-shirts, very thirsty cotton, almost, almost overly thirsty. 999. And I think they're, aren't they going to put like a three for 25 or something? Yeah, three for 25. Wait till tomorrow on that one. And if they're thirsty with the t-shirts, don't forget the thirsty mug.

But seriously, though, these are like insane prices. So I want to be really clear, folks, it's wild supplies last. I don't think we can afford to sell them like this for too long. But I said, let's start it with a bang. So no joke. The hat is $6.99. The t-shirt is $9.99. Tomorrow it'll be $3 for $25.

And then the mug, that's the most insane of all. I run out of mugs. I'm going to order them from the store because that's so cheap. It's $4.99. These are gorgeous mugs. Yeah. Alvin, we've got to increase the price of the mugs. I'm not kidding.

That's insane. Okay. No, no, no, I mean, I'm not kidding. Like, that's really, you can't. It's a beautiful mug. It's like, it's a, it's a huge, beautiful mug. And end of the week, if there are any left, end of the week, we're going to have to raise the price.

There's only a few left. Okay. Well, whatever. Anyway, well, that's the, that's the surprise, folks. Please share these videos with your friends. Please subscribe to our YouTube channel. Please go to Ericmetaxis.com and subscribe for my personal newsletter. It's really important, I think, at this point, the news is harder to get.

We know that Fox News has, you know, I don't know, what's the technical term for Cellar Soul? Gone over to the dark side. They've gone over to the Dark Side. I think Cellar Soul is not the original Aramaic. Anyway, folks, tune in tomorrow, and thanks for listening.