The Eric Metaxas Show - David & Christen Limbaugh

Episode Date: September 13, 2022

David Limbaugh and his daughter Christen are in the studio to discuss "The Resurrected Jesus: The Church in the New Testament," and touch on the church's role in the culture today.

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Check. Everything is just, you know, positive from here on in. All right, folks, Alvin, you already know this. But we have a lot this week. Right now, or in a couple of minutes, we talked to our friend David Limbaugh. Now, David Limbaugh, you know, is the brother of Rush Limbaugh. He, David and his daughter, Kristen Bloom Limbaugh,

we're in the studio the other day, and we recorded some wonderful stuff with them. We're going to play that for you. That's today, hour one, and into hour two. and at the end of the conversation, so that'll be in the beginning of hour two, I talked to David. I never had the guts really to bring up his brother with him. But since Rush Limbaugh has passed,

at the end of the conversation with David Limbaugh and his daughter about their new book about Jesus and the resurrection and all that, I talked to him about Rush. Honestly, it was kind of amazing. So when you listen to this conversation that I have with them, please be advised that at the end of it, in some ways, is the best part. It was really amazing to talk to him about his brother, the faith of his brother, Rush, amazing. Also, I don't know if you caught this the other day, but we had something very moving happened on the program. We were talking to Johns Merak and we got interrupted by a call from prison.

We were hoping to get the call from prison at some point. We didn't know when it would come. It's not easy to do radio with somebody who's in prison. But we spoke to Jake Lang. Jake Lang has been in prison for 20 months because of the J6 stuff. Let me tell you something. If you don't get angry when you know the details of this stuff, something's wrong with you.

there is an injustice going on. Most of our leaders, Republican leaders, are saying nothing about this. Mike Pence does not talk about this. None of those folks seem to talk about this. And I want to say to them, some of them are friends. How can you not talk about what's going on? So at the end of our two today, we get this interrupted phone call. I wanted to re-air it, two segments with Jake Lang.

It is just, it's amazing. It's moving. So that's what we have coming up today. Now, Albin. Yes, sir. And by the way, next week, Dr. Simone Gold is going to talk about her prison experience. Simone Gold was in prison. She just got out. Thank you, Jesus. I tell you, this injustice is very upsetting for me, really just sickening. And we have to use our voices. to speak out against this, folks. There are many people, I just want to say, many people, friends of mine that are misinformed on January 6th. These are good people that are misinformed. They have, they've kind of swallowed the narrative, the safer narrative.

And I just want to say, we have to look deeper. There's more to this. And it's not what any of the media are covering. And it's a, it's a, it's a. It's astonishing, really, that, you know, we could even make a statement like that. We're live at a time when even the conservative media and Republicans are not even going near some of this stuff. And even the church, even the church, that's why your book is so important. The church is the most guilty.

Yes. You know, it's funny. Okay. You lifted up, a picture of my book, a copy of my book, Letter to the American Church. The book doesn't officially come out for eight days from today or seven days from today, eight days from today. But I was in Colorado Springs recently at an Andrew Womack conference where there were copies of the book. I signed a lot of copies of that book for a lot of people. I spoke about it at this conference in Colorado Springs.

Andrew Womack has a Bible college. I didn't know about this. It's called Karras Bible College. It's C-H-A-R-I-S. looks like Cheris, Carus Bible College. And there was an amazing conference. I was privileged to be there. Mario Marillo was there. If you've never heard him speak, oh my goodness. Ladies and gentlemen, Mario Marillo, I have never heard anyone like him. He is astonishing. Lance Walnau was there. Astonishing. There were so many people there that were amazing. David Barton,

our friend Bill Federer. Oh, my goodness. It was an embarrassment of riches. It was just, I'm not even remembering some of the people that. It was, it was amazing. I will tell you, it was amazing. And I think those, the videos of those talks will be available. But it was, it was absolutely amazing. And so, but I signed a lot of copies. And then literally yesterday, if you're wondering why, why does Eric seem tired? Because literally yesterday, I preached twice in Colorado Springs at a church called Radiant. The pastors are Todd and Kelly Hudnall, amazing people, amazing church. And I spoke about the book, the title, I mean, the letter to the American church.

And, you know, Alvin, it's what you said. The reason I wrote the book and kind of the point of the point of where we are right now is that it is many in the church who are not aware. of what's going on. And I want to lovingly exhort people to consider what I'm saying, that we are at a moment right now where the church in America is being silent in the way that the church in Germany was being silent. The parallel is utterly correct. In other words, this is not no exaggeration. You couldn't have imagined in 1933, in Germany what was coming. You could, no good people in the church could have imagined what was coming, except for a

tiny handful Bonhofer at the lead of the pack, trying to warn the church to wake up the church, clearly failed. Okay. He didn't fail in doing his job. His job was to speak what God gave him. But the church did not hear his warning. And I am today reissuing Bonhofer's warning to the American church. in this book, Letter to the American Church,

because I am absolutely convinced this is true. Ladies and gentlemen, please at least consider what I am saying. I know this is true. It's horrifying. It's an opportunity for the church. But if we don't take this opportunity, I just want to be honest and say, it's going to be as bad or worse as what happened

because of the silence of the German church. It is unimaginable. We need to imagine it. And if you know the Bonhofer story, you can imagine it. Yeah. And folks, it's a real quick read. It's only 140 pages. It's like a real letter from Eric Metaxus. It's a little verbose. But it gets the points down clearly. You got to read it. Get your pastors to read it. Get on board. I mean, again, you know, this is this is not about selling books, folks. This is about like saving America. Let me just tell you. It's not like I said, hey, I know a way I can make a book. I'm going to write a book called Letter to the American Church. I literally wasn't even going to publish it. with a publisher. I was going to publish it myself because I just thought I just got to get this out so that pastors can can read this. So anyway, all right. Before we go to play our conversation with David Limbaugh, I want to say that I'll be traveling a lot. I'm going to be in Omaha, Nebraska, or wherever it is in Iowa. It's like right on the border of Nebraska. I'm going to be doing a flashpoint live in person this Thursday.

night with Dutch sheets. Holy cow, I get to meet Dutch sheets and whatever. That's going to, that's happening. Then I'm flying to Tennessee and I'm speaking in a world outreach church in Tennessee this weekend. But next weekend, there is a conference in Dallas, and I have not really talked about this. I'm going to be in Dallas, September 23rd, 24th. If you know anybody in Dallas, please go to Christiansengaged.org. Christians engaged. at the conference i am speaking robert jeffress uh is speaking congressman chip roy unless i'm reading something wrong john smirac is going to be at the can this can this be whoa you better ask you want to meet smirac yeah holy cow so that's uh christians engaged dot org all right we're going to be talking to

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Hey there, folks. Welcome. I am really excited to have a friend and special guest on the program. His name, you may know his name, David Limbaugh. He's written a number of fabulous books on the Christian faith. But this one, I don't know if he's tired. I don't know what's going on. but he has involved his eldest daughter as a co-writer. Kristen Limbaugh Bloom is also with me. So David and Kristen, welcome. Thank you so much for having us. So the title of the book is The Resurrection Jesus, the Church in the New Testament. This is kind of a big, huge subject. How, I mean, I really, because this is something obviously I'm not a little interested in,

And what led you or led you both to take on something as gigantic as the concept of the resurrected Jesus and the Church in the New Testament? Maybe there's some misunderstanding. I was told we'd have five hours to go through it. To talk? Yeah. Well, really, that's just my first question. We're going to see where it goes. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, well, the last book, Jesus has risen, was on the book of Acts and six of Paul's epistles. This is the final seven of his epistles. the pastoral epistles and the prison epistles. And so the idea is to take the reader through the verse, the chapters and verses of those books, verse by verse literally, and either state the verse directly or paraphrase it

and then interspersed insights and commentary. And then what we did differently in this book, and I know you were going to ask this, was add prayers to it. So it's interactive prayers throughout the text. And I'm excited about that because Kristen was, the primary author. Kristen's a prayer warrior, spirit-filled little thing she is, and has been very inspiring to me. This little slip of a thing? Really? Yeah. Kristen? I don't know about that.

So you're the eldest of five? I am, yes. Okay. Have you ever written a book before? Have you ever written a book with your dad before? I can't remember it. No, this is my first time being a published author. I do write for foxnews.com every now and then, but this is my first time writing a book. And when dad asked me about a year and a half ago, I was thrilled. It's always been a dream of mine to be a published author and to be able to do it with him has been such a joy and a treat for me. I mean, when you think about it, I'm a model father bringing her into this industry. I was going to say, what a wonderful thing. What a wonderful thing. Okay, so break this down again, the title, in some ways it's misleading because it seems so broad, the resurrected Jesus,

the Church in the New Testament. But this is specifically your dealing with the final epistles of Paul? Paul. Okay. Yes. And, you know, to be honest, Regnery's here, the publisher, I think the

subtitles, they always want to have Jesus in there to make sure it sells. But the truth is, it is, and it is... Yeah, Regnery's all about the money. Yeah, we don't, they don't care about the authors, don't care about their employees. No, they're awesome. Every one of my books has been with Regner. I know you've done books with Regner.

Yes, I'm officially affiliated with Regnery. So I can correct jokes at their expense. But go ahead. No, but so it's just to Colossians, Philemon, Ephesians, Philippians, those are the prison epistles, which Paul wrote when he was in house arrest and in prison in Rome. And 1st Timothy, 2nd Timothy, and Titus, those were his pastoral epistles. So these are, this is an exegesis of the scripture. From a lay perspective, yeah.

From a lay, I love the fact that you threw that in there. like, I'm no theologian, man. And let me tell you something. I only want to read things at this point from an educated lay perspective. Because sometimes theologians, they don't communicate oftentimes. They don't communicate well. They're communicating really principally to other theologians. So if you're just an average person trying to understand the Bible, where are you going to go?

See, thank you. You just answered the question that some people ask me, and you understand it, as you study this stuff. Some people may think, you're presumptuous, you all, you don't know. You weren't trained. I agree, but I understand this in a way. Some people, a pastor and a theologian may not, because I came to this kicking and screaming as a skeptic. So I understand, I think, what some readers, either beginning Christians or skeptics, are thinking.

And so I address those kinds of concerns as we write. And how, Kristen, how are you involved? in this because it's actually true that I've almost never worked with a co-writer all of my books. I find it it can be, I mean, it can be helpful, but it can also be kind of confusing who does what, who writes, how does that, so how did that work with you? That's a good point. Well, dad has had his process for delving into the scriptures, doing the research. He has a gift for really peeling through and then explaining different common,

Terry's on a lay level. And so we kind of had an organic process where he would start a draft, send it to me. Then I would add my insights to things that he had pointed out. And then it was kind of the opposite with prayers. So, you know, he would go through the text. I would add insights to that. We would talk through it. And then I would add prayers that I thought accompanied what we had discussed. And then he would add insights to my prayers. And so really it kind of co-eliorated. less to the point where it turned out to be both of our voices, but really, you're reading one voice. But you're so right. This is the first time I've done this, and I probably wouldn't have done it if it wasn't my daughter. I want to do this with her. It's so gratifying. But totally confusing if you do it the way some people, splitting up chapters, that wouldn't even have the same voice.

So I started the text. She then comes back, and she is very involved in it, but I start the first draft, and she did the first draft of the prayers, which I have to say, probably make this book way better than any of my previous books because I don't know if you're a prayer warrior I think you are but I admire people that have a facility with prayer because sometimes somebody do a public prayer I kind of freeze because I almost feel self-conscious doing public prayer she's just so articulate if you told her to pray don't do it because she'll blow it if you do it on no we'll never mention God on this program no we don't want to lose a license man I had I'm going to tell you this is interesting i had a guy well how can i say this about cussing a hard blank kind of a guy who called me and said i'm really worried about my daughter we can't she's having these

issues and i get and this guy i don't think is a believer and he goes would you pray for me he knew i was friends i wrote christian books i said i can but i would rather add my daughter to this call and i did and i told her and she goes and it was i think it blew in i think he was crying because it was so real from her Well, it doesn't get more real than prayer, right? It's so beautiful. Well, let me, I want my audience to understand what you've done in this book, because this is the kind of thing. I really, I often hear people say like, you know, you should just read the Bible. And I think sometimes we give these religious answers that are not good answers.

Because most people reading the Bible don't have a clue what they're reading. They instantly have an infinity of questions, what the heck is? this talking about? I have no idea what it's talking about. And I think Christians sometimes have this magical view of scripture. Because it's the word of God, they think like if a parrot is reciting scripture, it's just magic. And you think, no, we are actually supposed to understand what it says. If it's anointed by the Holy Spirit, of course, there's this magic element where it can do things, miraculous things. And, you know, some people are going to be upset with the word magic. Tough luck for you. But the point is, it is miraculous. It is

anointed, but at the same time, we are supposed to understand it with our minds. And if you just crack open a Bible, you might not have a clue. Even when somebody, I mean, your chapter is, Chapter 1, Colossians, a defense against early heresies. So you're framing this. You're helping somebody understand, oh, the book of Colossians essentially is the Apostle Paul dealing with heresies. He's writing to the people in Colossi. and it begins to get you into what it is that you're reading.

It's not just I'm reading these magic words. And that's another great insight that I share. When I first started reading the Bible, I can't tell you how much I benefited from books about the Bible. But I think you have to have a certain level of discernment so that you don't go off on the extreme wacko people. Right. And I think a gift I've had, and this sounds bragging,

but by definition it's not bragging when you're talking about a spiritual gift because it's from the Holy Spirit, it's from God, is discernment. So I've been able to filter through, and so I've known early, and plus I had some good mentors early on who are conservative Bible-believing Christians. But having said that, I mean, I think there's a level of kind of a pure legalism and almost virtue signaling from people who say, no, you can't write about the Bible. That's who you to interfere with that? No, no, no. Look, first of all, If you knew David Limbaugh who it is with whom you were speaking, this sounds like, you know, the woman at the well.

If you knew who it was with whom you were speaking, you would ask me, no, I'm not kidding. If you knew who you're talking to, Eric Metaxis, because what you just said, I have gotten for practically two decades. People are like, who, what right do you have to write on Dietrich Bonhoffer? You're like, you wrote for Veggie Tales. What are your credentials? And you think usually I would say, like, yeah, those are my.

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Advisory services are offered through Inspire Advisors LLC, a registered investment advisor with the SEC. Folks, welcome back. I am talking to the authors, David Limbaugh and Kristen Limbaugh Bloom, of a new book, The Resurrection. to Jesus, the Church in the New Testament. And at the end of the last segment, I was just, I was mid-rant. I was ranting because I get that all the time where people who have spent decades, let's say, as Bonhofer scholars or whatever. And they look at someone who has a BA in English and they say, what right do you have to write about this? And you realize that's kind of the problem,

is that it's very rare that you find an academic who can write on a popular level. We could almost analogize this to the experts who hate Trump because he isn't a career politician, but I won't go to the second. No, no, no, but it's exactly the same principle. It is. It's precisely the same principle. It's like somebody says, I'm a professional politician. What right do you have? Well, the founding father has created a situation where average people are supposed to govern themselves.

Cincinnati sent his plow. You come, you serve, and then you go back. The idea of the career politician, the professional politician, it's the same misunderstanding that you have in the world of writing and the academy. It is, and this is true of law books. They're written to other law professors, not even to practicing lawyers, law professors, and they're elitists and showing off. And the same thing. I don't think theologians are showing off,

but they do write on a higher level. Now, some commentaries are more lay-level. But one thing I learned to bridge this gap is, one of my early mentors said, I said, I don't understand this commentary. I want to understand this commentary. Well, I mean, I've been steeped in it for 20 years. get it more. The more I read I found I do get the jargon. Well, here's the great thing. I think I can

introduce readers. We can introduce readers. And she's been into this too. At my behest, of course. I deserve all the credit. But we can introduce readers to the brilliance of commentators by kind of rewording what they say. And then they would never even hear these people, you know, and there's some great ones out there. I don't know what you think of. Yeah. Think of who. We can Well, like John MacArthur. Ah, what a jerk. Yeah. Actually, I like John MacArthur very much.

He's amazing. But you just, but you actually, you touched on something. And this is why I get so animated about this. You're doing exactly what I do in most of my books. You're a popularizer. You're basically saying, like, look, I'm not going to spend 30 years studying this, but I don't need to. God didn't create me to do that.

Other people have done that. What I can do is read their stuff. and help a lay reader understand some of the best of what they have to say. And that's what I do in most of my books. And it's exactly what the two of you are doing in these books. I know that for a fact. I mean, as I see it here, I think that that's exactly what you're doing. Yeah.

And you've even, I mean, I know so many people, before I even knew you, on the Bonhofer thing, wow, this is unbelievable. There's other books on Bonhofer. No book is more accessible on Bonhofer than yours. Well, that's nice to hear. But I expect some serious promotion of the book in exchange. Well, let me tell you something. This show will never air.

No, let me just say that what we're talking about is actually it's an important principle. And any important principle is ultimately a biblical principle, right? Yes, there you go. And so the idea, when you think about the founders in this country, they created a government deliberately so that it wouldn't be mob rule, but that average people would have a voice in governing themselves. And once you get this elitist governing class, then you get the deep state, then you get career politicians,

then you get corruption, then you get. So the founders understood this concept, but anytime you have power, right, this is kind of the principle, right? Anytime you have power, Lord Acton said, you know, that power corrupts. So we see it in politics. And that's why you want to end career politicians and you want to get the average person involved.

And you don't want this elitist class that says, shut up and do what you do and we'll run things because then you no longer have America. Right. But the exact same thing has happened in the world of science and in the world of universities where they act like, we're the experts. And you just do what you do. We've got this. And you think, well, if you can't explain this in plain English to plain people, if you have contempt. for your average person, maybe I shouldn't trust what you have to say. And that's basically what folks like we try to do is to try to take some of this important

information and actually communicate it to people who are never going to read a dense commentary, you know, by someone who may be qualified but doesn't have the gift of communicating, which you guys do, because I know, because I've read some of this. Well, actually, let's get into it. Chapter 1, a defense against early heresies, the book of Colossians. Talk for a minute about that, and then I just want to go through some more as we continue. Well, Paul was very upset with the threats to doctrine that were occurring inside and outside the church. He was upset with the Judaizers, those who insisted after he taught and Jesus taught that salvation is by faith alone, and they come in and add back circumcision and all these other things. And he was very upset with that because he knew, and didn't it be outside people, the Gnostics, who said Jesus wasn't either fully God or fully man.

There were various heresies. And he was writing these letters to correct these people and to reprimand them. but also correct them in the sense of doctrine because these books, whether he knew it or not, God knew, that through him, this was going to be scripture. So not only were the Ephesians, Colossians, and others reading these books, Eric Metaxus, David, Lindbaugh, Kristen Bloom, are going to read them. And so he laid out doctrine, he laid out rules for Christian living, the spiritual warfare and etc. I'm getting the high sign.

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So order now with promo code Eric at mypillow.com. promo code Eric at my pillow.com. Hey, the folks, welcome back. I'm talking to David Limbaugh and Kristen Limbaugh Bloom about their new book, the resurrected Jesus, the church in the New Testament. So, David, you were just talking about, in a way I get the impression that you wrote this book for people who want to do Bible study and who want something to read along with the Bible to help explain it to them.

because a lot of times you get a Bible that will have, you know, it'll have a paragraph in front of, if you're lucky, it'll have a paragraph in front of Colossians or a couple of page telling you some stuff. But oftentimes that's not enough. So you guys decided to dig into this. Kristen, let me just ask you, what was your process on that?

I mean, did you read commentaries or what, how did you go about it? Dad actually helped me learn the software that he uses that goes through all of the different biblical commentary. So I did use that software. I read through different biblical commentaries. And then I actually would, it was kind of a spiritual process for me. I would read the scripture that we were covering and I would actually just pray and ask the Holy Spirit to highlight different things that he wanted to point out and things that he wanted to hone in. on in the prayers to help accompany the scriptures that we were going through in the book.

And to touch on your point of what you all were talking about earlier, reaching lay people, I think that Jesus exemplified that more than anyone because he chose his disciples. They're fishermen. They're these people that are not the scholars of the day, the Jewish scholars of the day. And I think that when people understand that the same Holy Spirit that's living inside of them is the one who lived inside of Paul and helped inspire these profound letters that are now books in the Bible. It helps encourage us that God can use us in ways that are so profound and so much bigger than what we imagine when we put him or ourselves in a box. I have to ask you, when and how did you come to faith?

I know a little bit about Daddy's story. Yes. Because you came to faith as an adult. Yes. Right. And so did I. What was your story? Well, I was raised in a Christian home, obviously, so I always had the foundation. I always prayed growing up, and I never once doubted that Jesus was the way, the truth, and the life. When I went to college, you know, I joined a sorority. My focus shifted as oftentimes that happens when people go off to college. But it's then when I really started having an emptiness and where God was calling me to find him and where he was really pursuing me. And so I had a really

good girlfriend. We shared a bed in New York City while we were interning. And so we, you know, we're just trucking along, interning in New York City. And she told me, you know, Kristen, God has really awakened me to the amazing things that he wants to do with my life. And she had such a zest for life talking about this. And I found myself jealous of the relationship she had with God. So I'm like, what are you reading? What is this zest for life, this excitement? So I started reading the devotional she was reading and that was the first time I really felt God was speaking into my life personally and he's just taken off with me since then. That is so beautiful. Thank you. I didn't like it because she didn't give it Lisa any credit at all. Yes, you did. Sure she did. We redo this second.

You said her, you gave her the foundation. You set her on the right course. And we sent her to Christian school. That was good. Yes. Yes. That's huge. No, but I mean, it's, listen, there's no right way or wrong way to come to faith and we've all. I mean, how many times, at as an adult, would we say, why couldn't I have come to faith sooner? I know. Why? Why would the Lord allow that? Why would the Lord allow Adam and Eve to bite the apple?

Why would he allow the Holocaust? I don't know. We're not going to cover that in this program. All we know is God's ways are not our ways, and all we can do is praise him that somehow, by his grace, he reached us. Yes. But I guess I just want to pick up on this idea that We were just touching on that.

We know this. I mean, because I wrote a book on Martin Luther, I mean, it's not only because of that, but I mean, I know exactly what can happen when specialists take over. And that's kind of what happened to the high medieval church. And that the common man was pushed so far away and that there's tremendous, not just corruption,

but this kind of elitist spirit that takes over, you know, entree new. And we know what you just said about the disciples. These were fishermen. How fascinating that Jesus chose simple people saying for all time, this is for everyone. This is not only for scholars. And it's why we need books that are not, you know, these are not, you're not writing fluffy books, but they, at the same time, they are accessible.

So you go through each of these epistles. You call Ephesians a blueprint for spiritual empowerment. What do you say about Philippians, rejoice in Christ? I think Philippians probably ends up being my favorite book because I think a lot of times people, when they come to faith, they forget the command to rejoice. Yes, yes. It's pretty big.

It's pretty big. And why would God command us to rejoice unless it was extremely important somehow to him? Yeah. And to be joyful, which doesn't mean, and I was reading about this too, and I put some of this in there, but I was rereading the book in preparation for some of these interviews, joy isn't necessarily just a static state. It's an activity. You have to embrace it.

And you're not always going to be happy. God doesn't promise us freedom from suffering. In fact, he pretty much guarantees we will suffer, but we have him to rely on and our knowledge, our assurance of eternal salvation, and that he's always going to be with us through all those struggles. I wanted to, could I interject one thing on the earlier one? Could you interject? Yes, I would love you to interject. You're my guest.

I'd like you to talk more than I have been talking. No, no, you're so good. But when you talked about Ephesians blueprint for spiritual warfare, I know you and I are sympathetic. radical on political issues pretty much too. And you'll relate to this, I think. I really think so many things that are going on today are demonic, because we now have the celebration of evil, the abortion on demand. We have the left literally destroying God's created order by confusing the genders.

People don't think about it in the spiritual context. It is blatantly anti-Christian and anti-spiritual, anti-God. Well, the worst part, I mean, the reason I wrote, book, which we were talking about before, a letter to the American church, is because it is the job of the church to speak up on these issues. And when you say, well, that's a political issue. I don't want to be divisive. You think, are you kidding? This is God's truth. And if you are silent, silence in the face of evil is itself evil. We'll be right back going to another break. Don't go away, folks. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to David Limbaugh and his eldest daughter, Kristen Limbaugh,

Bloom, who co-wrote with him, the book I have here, the resurrected Jesus, the Church in the New Testament, where you go through the epistles, you explain them, it's important stuff. But David, before we go to the end of this first hour here, you were making a point which I agree with utterly, but please continue to make this point. Well, you rudely interrupt me with that station break, but I wanted to consummate this point, which is we sometimes, we're so into the material world, even we see. strong Christians don't think, is this really spiritual warfare? Paul explains this. Were you banging the table just to drive the engineers crazy? Did I do that? There's a little Nikita Kush in everyone.

That's a lie. I didn't do it. Sorry, go ahead. This is propaganda. But spiritual warfare is behind this stuff. And that's why I think some of these leftists and their sheep don't even really know what they're doing. They are so spiritually blind. Because how else do you explain the evil that is being glorified, and promote. It's not just reluctantly, grudgingly accepted. It's glorified. And those of us standing up for truth are demonized. And I'm in the twilight zone, which I think is another word for the midst of spiritual warfare. Well, listen, I simply could not agree more. I've talked about this on this program a lot and we'll continue to talk about it. And it's why I keep referring to my upcoming book. It's why I wrote the book, because at the heart of all of this is a spiritual battle. There

is a war on the church. There's a war, a rage against God, and it's being manifested in American political life. This is not just politics, folks. When you have people, first of all, the demonization of groups of people. I mean, where the former vice president, maybe that's what I'll start calling him. The former vice president, Joe Biden, he really demonized patriotic Americans in a way that you have to understand is not only unprecedented in American life, but it is fundamentally anti-American to do that. It's the antithesis of what Lincoln did, trying to heal the nation. And you have to call a spade a spade. You have to say that is wrong, that is evil, but at the heart of it is a spiritual battle. I don't have any doubt that if the church in America would wake up

and would begin speaking the truth, first of all, pastors that think they're going to lose members of the congregation, you're going to gain members of the congregation. There are people so hungry for this and so sick and tired of Nambi-Pambi, you know, finger in the wind pastors that they're looking for leadership. They're saying the world is going crazy. Doesn't anybody see what I see? You know, at some time I've got to pick your brain. Maybe I'll interview you, but I got to get a show first. I don't want to show it. I'll call you. I'll record it. No, but it is to ask you, how do we Christians winsomely project our members? message without coming off so stridently, because I have a tendency to do that in politics.

I'm so P-Oed at what they're doing that I can't, I have to restrain myself on Twitter so much not to say, be insulting. Like, they're totally insulting to me. They're glad rushes and hell. And I hope you join him. To me, I laugh. Well, here's the first thing you should do. And I'll bet you that I have blocked more people on Twitter than anyone who's ever been on Twitter.

I'll bet you. If somebody says something nasty or even slightly nasty blocked, because we, I think I have a lot of friends like you who they have a lot more followers than I do. And they get this stuff. God does not want us to read that stuff. God does not want, much less respond, God forbid, but God does not want us to read that nasty stuff. And we ultimately dishonor God if we let that.

It's like taking in poison. and you're supposed to, you know, keep it away. At least don't read it. But I block people because I just thought that stuff affects my soul. It affects my spirit when I read it. We're going to go to another break. But guess what?

I'm keeping these people around. We've locked the doors and we're going to continue the conversation. The book is The Resurrection Jesus. David Limbaugh, Kristen Limbaugh, Blum. Don't go away.