The Eric Metaxas Show - David Wood: Islam's Contradictions & Muslims CONVERTING To Christianity

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

David Wood joins Eric Metaxas to discuss Islam in light of the Christian faith. Learn what Muslims believe, miracles in the Quran, and the Christian response to Islam. What is leading Muslims to question their religion and come to faith in Jesus?

Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to listen to a man of grace, sophistication, integrity, and whimsy? Well, so are we. But until such a man shows up, please welcome Eric Ma, Texas. Welcome back. I continue my conversation with L.A. Marzuli. He has many books on the Trail of the Nephilim, Rungs of Disclosure. So, L.A., you know, you're saying stuff, and I'm just conscience. conscious of people in my audience going, what the, what?

So on behalf of those people, you know, you just, you're postulating that what we call Sasquatch, Bigfoot, that they're real and that they are Nephilim. Okay. So that's conceivable. But you are saying that why would they ever pop in if they can pop in and pop out? In other words, you're saying that they are interdimensional. They have the ability to pop in and pop out. They can materialize and dematerialize.

I have a picture that Scott Carpenter gave me, all right? And he's walking and he's got a camera facing behind him. All right? So he's walking this way and the camera's facing behind him. In the background, you see a perfect circle, and then there's a Sasquatch on one knee. and guess what, Eric, it's got an elongated skull. It's got an elongated skull.

I've got the picture. I'll send it to you. This is a picture? Yeah. And can you email this to me? I will. I will email that to you. You see a perfect circle and you see this entity on one knee, on one knee, which is what they do when they materialize.

I've also had witnesses talk about they're here and they pop in, then they pop out. These are modern day Nephilim. And, you know, in 1966, when the Gimley Patterson film, which is classic now, and I've got a frame-by-frame digitized version of it, you see it, and the thing turns like this. It's a female.

So it's not a guy in a gorilla suit with breasts. It's a female. But since 1966, the population, 66, 67, the population of Bigfoot Sasquatch has gone up through the roof. They're everywhere, and they're popping in and popping out. Now this is conjecture. This is conjecture. that the Bible talks about the Therion, the beasts of the earth.

And as my late Bible buddy, Russ Dizdar, used to say, we're not talking about hamsters and giraffes. So what the heck are the beasts of the earth? In my opinion, these are the beasts of the earth. And I want to say something, Eric, because we only got a few minutes. Some of you folks out there are going, why do we need to know this? What does this happen do with salvation?

It has nothing to do with salvation. Salvation is when we come to the Lord and we ask him into our heart. That's the shallow end of the pool. for the last 45 minutes, we're in the deep end of the pool. We are looking at and we are exposing the deception of the prince of the power of the air. That's what we're doing here from the Nephilim, elongated skulls, UFOs, Sasquatch, all of this is cooked up in Hell's Kitchen. All of them.

Now you just said, now you don't mean Hell's Kitchen, New York. You mean in hell. And I just want to be clear. I'm always, you know, annotating, translating. Let me ask you, you said that your friend, Scott, Walker, you believe he was killed by Nephilim? He was killed probably by the Sasquatch, which I believe are Nephilim. So there's a leap there. And it's Scott Carpenter, not Scott Walker.

I'm sorry. Where does Scott Carpenter? Where did he live? In the Midwest. And how, I mean, was he bludgeoned? I'm not clear on what you're saying. They have the ability conjecture, but you know how like when a lion roars, a lion will put its mouth to the ground and roar, and there's a sound wave that goes through, and his prey is then immobilized. Same type of thing with Sasquatch. They can do what's called mindspeak. They can communicate telepathically with you, but they also can send auditory sounds, which will rupture your heart, your brain. What did the coroner say was his cause of death? Cerebral hemage. And when did he die? And how old was

your friend Scott Carpenter. I think he just turned 49 or 50. I'd have to check that. Very young. He's out at the dinner with a girlfriend, and he stands up, and he just keels over, and that's it. Now look, this is conjecture, but I believe what they took him out.

I believe what they took him out, based on everything I know. And you said you were on the phone with him, and he said they're banging on my house? Yeah, the Sasquatch were coming up to the... He had prayed around his property, and they would come up to the edges of the property, and no further, and no further, because he was protected.

Then something happened, and he lost a protection. He stepped outside of the protective umbrella of the Lord, and that's when they were coming up and banging on the side of the house. There's another guy up in Canada is doing the same thing. And a friend of mine, Gabriel, who is Native American, said something which really makes sense. Exposed, but don't seek. Exposing something is one thing.

That's our mission statement, to expose the deception of the prince of the power of the air, how will the return of Jesus? But don't go seeking. And I've learned that the hard way. You know, you just, unless I have marching orders, I won't go anywhere. That's it. I need to hear from the Lord.

And what do you mean don't go anywhere? In other words, that this is dangerous and that we have, I mean, listen, I, you know, I have many friends who they do what we call spiritual warfare. You know, they're praying against powers and principalities. And there really is a way to do that and a way not to do that. You can expose yourself foolishly because you are going up against tremendously powerful entities. And unless you're protected by the Lord, unless you understand that, you are foolish if you're stepping out and you don't know what you're getting into. Well, exactly.

A perfect example is this. It's in one of our films, Secrets of a Supernatural Voices from the. ever saw it. There's a serpent effigy in Ohio, and it's the largest serpent effigy on the planet. The serpent, it's in my book, Amitrail of Nephilim. The serpent had these jaws open like this, and in front of it is an egg. There's an egg, and I wrote a paper on this. This is Genesis 315. The seat of a dragon will be at war with the seat of the woman. It's like right, screaming at you. And this serpent undulates through the Ohio countryside. Henry Groover was called by the Lord to close down pagan altars, child sacrifice.

And he's going home for Thanksgiving dinner. And he sees a sign serpent mount. And so he turns off and he goes to the serpent now. It's the night before Thanksgiving, it's cold. There's nobody in the parking lot. He gets out. He sees the serpent effigy. He walks up to the head of a serpent, stands on the mound.

This thing is huge. It's like hundreds of feet long, all right? It underlays through the Ohio countryside. This is Nephilim architecture, fallen angel technology. And he does his prayer. And as he's walking off, Eric, spiritual warfare,

he's hit in the solar plexes by an unseen object. He goes down, his knees come up, he can't move. And he's laying there and going, oh, my gosh. And then it starts to snow. And I've seen this before.

It starts to snow. And he realizes, I'm going to freeze to death. They're going to, because he can't move. He's paralyzed. And he's calling out to the Lord. And the Lord said,

finally, I didn't tell you to go here, Henry, I didn't tell you to come here. This is the sin of presumption. And so Henry repents, the Lord frees him. He gets back to the van. He's half frozen, turns on the heater, gets under a blanket, thaws out, and goes home. And we use that in our film, you know, Secrets of a Supernatural Voices from the Other Side. I believe it's the third film in the series. These sites, wherever you go, whether it's Ireland, whether it's Mengus, Spain, whether it's the Dolmans like Zambojaro in Portugal, or Kromachamandres in Portugal, or it's like the megalific structures on the island of Gozo in Sardinia, you don't do anything unless the Lord tells you to do it. You can visit, but you don't try to something, something down. We've just got a minute left. Joe Rogan has had a guy on. I never think of his name, but he has a series on where he keeps talking. about, you know, 12,000 years ago. There was this moment, whatever. He's touching on this stuff, but obviously he's not where you are.

Question, yeah. And I knew who that gentleman is, and my hat is off to him. He's incredible, incredible. Graham? Graham Hancock. Yeah. Graham Hancock. He was on the trail much earlier than I got on it, and we owe a great debt to Graham.

Because here's the deal. There's a hidden history that's been deliberately obfuscated from the people's of the world. If I sat down with Graham, we would both, agree that. And he's talking about the younger dry-ass area era where something happens about 12,000 years ago. It's called a global flood. And we are

absolutely. We're at a time. We will have you back because I knew this would happen. I want to keep talking to you for a long time. God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll have you back. ASAP folks. Subscribe to my YouTube channel because obviously

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Here it is. One thing about you that's just so remarkable is the way your brain works and doesn't work, but the way that it works is spectacular. You're brilliant, and you have, you've gotten involved in reaching out to Muslims with the Christian faith. And that's something, I don't know that I've talked about much on this program. And you're someone who's done this a lot. And I would love to get into that with you.

It seems to me that most people like me know very little about Islam. So just tell us your story of kind of how this, began to happen for you and what you do, how you go about this? Well, I had a number of conversations with Muslims in prison. So there were other inmates who were Muslims and we'd have conversations. And I read one book on Islam while I was locked up that was answering Islam by Norm Geisler and Abdul-Salib. But apart from that, there was no real in-depth study.

Started really studying Islam when I got out and I was in college. and I became best friends with a Muslim, Nabil Qureshi. And so just best friends with this guy, we're hanging out all the time. And our first real conversation, he expounded to me the glories of Islam and how Islam was proven to be true by science and mathematics and history and logic. And there's just so much evidence that Muhammad is a true prophet. The Quran's been miraculously preserved. And Muhammad is the greatest man who ever lived.

And he's just going hour after hour. where were you in college at the time? Was this Old Dominion? Yeah, we were at Old Dominion University, but this discussion wasn't at Old Dominion. We were at another college on a trip, and we were both on the speech and debate team, and so we ended up at another college,

and we ended up sharing a hotel room. Okay, now hang on, Nabil Qureshi, for anybody who doesn't know, became a rather famous convert from Islam to Christian, and he wrote a book, remind us of the title. He wrote three books. Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus was his first book,

and then he wrote no God but one, and then he wrote another book, Answering Jihad. And two of those were, two of those were New York Times bestsellers. Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus is the one that I remember, and I know, of course, he died tragically young, but you were responsible as we established in our last conversation together for over the years leading him, rather, the word I'm looking for is rather intentionally and patiently over the years toward Jesus. But you just happened to meet each other. And what did you make of the fact originally that he was so confident as a Muslim intellectually?

I mean, you were at that point a Christian. What did you make of that? Because I think that those of us who know as little about Islam as I do, for example, just find that fascinating, that somebody as bright as Nabil could have been, you know, taken in by something like that. Well, the information that your average Muslim believes has been filtered for them by their leaders, by their scholars, and so on. and if you believe the information that you're given because you trust your leaders, it really seems like Islam is obviously true. They're told that there are all these scientific miracles.

There's all this information packed into the Quran that couldn't be verified until today because it's so scientifically brilliant. You can basically raise kids to believe in just about anything. And the question is, do the claims that you're, presenting them, stand up to scrutiny because that's generally how we learn most of what we learn. I mean, you learn your ABCs because someone teaches them to you. Or you learn that Muhammad's a prophet because someone teaches that to you. And you tend to trust people when you're growing up.

You trust your parents and you trust your leaders at your mosque or your synagogue or your church or whatever. And you eventually get to an age where you're able to start looking into these things and questioning these things. And that's when there comes a time when, okay, I've been told that Muhammad is the greatest man who ever lived. How well does that stand up to history? I've been told that there are all these scientific miracles in the Quran. What happens if I actually look into these and see what's actually happening? And so that's the process that Nabil and I were going through in our discussions. And long story short, he found out that a lot of the things that he had been told about Islam were just factually incorrect.

correct according to his own sources. And it was a longer process as far as actually becoming a Christian. But that's kind of when it starts with Muslims in that they're given all this information, all their lives. And there's like this light switch moment when they start to realize, wait a minute, I've been told all my life, Muhammad was this. And yet I'm reading my own Muslim sources right now. And they're telling me the exact opposite of what I've been told.

so maybe I can't simply trust what I've been told. Maybe I need to look into this for myself. And that's a kind of light switch moment where, wow, I've been trusting people who may have been misleading me. Now I really need to look into this more seriously. Okay. And of course, to be fair, many Christians have been through that same process. Absolutely.

They're raised as Christians. And that at some point, they see something that doesn't seem right and they begin to look into it and they can fall away from the faith. people that I know have had that experience. So this is, this is hard stuff, figuring out what is right and what is wrong. So how did, how did that work for you? In other words, you are now fully convinced that the Christian faith stands up in every way to any challenges we could make to it intellectually. But there's so many people, and I hope many people listening now that would say that's, that's preposterous. There's tons of things in Christian faith that

couldn't possibly be true. Yeah, here's kind of the difference. If you take something like Islam and the arguments that are used to support Islam, so the supposed miraculous, perfect preservation of the Quran, which is basically the belief that every time someone sits down to copy the Quran, he is miraculously corrected by Allah so that everything he copies is perfect. And it's total nonsense. Their manuscripts are filled with tens of thousands of variants and so on.

But it's a claim that Muslims are told. and your average Muslim on the street believes completely, if you spend all of five to ten minutes actually investigating that claim, you find out that it's false. If you, as a Muslim, believe that, you know, the Quran is filled with scientific miracles, well, the second you start actually going through and reading some of these, you find out that it's total nonsense.

It's propped up on complete fabrications. Compare that with Christianity. You would think, if you haven't investigated either Christianity or Islam, you would think that looking into something like the resurrection of Jesus, you're going to find the same thing. It's all just a bunch of nonsense. Instead, what you find is that all of the evidence actually confirms all of the details that Christians base their faith in the resurrection on. You can still reject the miracle, but you can go across the board. You can go to atheist scholars, agnostic scholars, Jewish scholars, liberal Christian scholars, conservative Christian scholars,

and you'll find them agreeing on certainly obvious facts like Jesus' death, but even the disciples' belief that Jesus had appeared to them in a variety of situations on a number of occasions risen from the dead. And so what happens is you start looking at these facts, and it's, wait a minute, you've got this dead guy and you've got all of these people who are going around later, willing to go to their horrible, bloody deaths because they're so confident that he had appeared to them risen from the dead, you start saying, well, what would actually explain that? When someone dies for his faith today, you can say, okay, well, he believed something.

He believed the message that he was told. These guys were not dying for something that they heard. They weren't dying for some message that they heard and they really believed, the way a Christian or a Muslim might be willing to die for his faith today. They were dying for something they claim they saw. And so what explains what they saw? And you start going through the possible explanations and hallucinations don't work and the other explanations don't work.

And kind of the only thing that worked, which is why I became a Christian is the only explanation that actually fits the evidence that everyone agrees on is that he did appear to them. So what, what am I stuck with here? And it looks like a miracle. So that's kind of the difference. At the heart of Christianity, there lies something that actually looks like a miracle. And you just don't have that. I have to say that I wrote two books where I go through the evidence for the resurrection. And I'm not kidding when I say that I was myself a statement.

that the evidence leads to the belief that this actually happened. In other words, even if you don't believe it and you look at the evidence, you'd kind of be in trouble intellectually to come up with, well, then what did happen? And I already believed it because I'd been told. But when you actually do look at the evidence, it is startling that there is evidence for the resurrection, and that there's so much of it. what are some of the things that are taught in Islam that, you know, you find out could not have happened?

Because there's so many things in the Bible, like, you know, an axe head floats. There are things that you can just say, hey, that's just, these are just fairy tales, and it just got in there somehow. How am I supposed to believe that? And so become yourself because the past is just a good thing. What is there in Islam for folks like me who know nothing of what's in Islam? Yeah. So in the case of the, you know, miracles and things like that, it's not so much that it couldn't happen. It's that what evidence is there?

And so Islam is very different in that you go to their earliest source, which is the Quran. The Quran repeatedly denies that Muhammad can perform miracles because over and over and over again in the Quran, it reports unbelievers challenging Muhammad, why don't you perform signs the way previous prophets did? And there's always an excuse. Well, because previous generations rejected the miracles and therefore no more miracles except the Quran. And so the Quran keeps offering explanations as to why Muhammad can't perform miracles. But later Muslim sources, which start more than a century after the time of Muhammad, they start including all of these miracle stories. Muhammad shooting water out of his fingers when people are thirsty and multiplying food and there's all these

miracle stories. And you look at these and you say, wait a minute here. If these miracle stories were true, then the Quran makes no sense because when people are challenging Muhammad, hey, why can't you perform miracles that should have been, well, what are you talking about? I shot water out of my fingers the other day. What are you talking about here? So the later sources, which Muslims, your average Muslim believes that Muhammad performed all kinds of miracles because of these later stories, not realizing, wait, these later stories contradict your earliest source, which is the Quran, and therefore are pretty obvious that these things were later fabrications because as Islam was going out and spreading, people still kept challenging the Muslims. Why didn't your guy perform

miracles? And they start coming up with these stories. And so you find lots of things like that where the story evolved over time, but you go back to the earlier accounts, and there's just no evidence there. But yeah, this is kind of the case with all of the claims, with the perfect preservation of the Quran, with the miracles, with Muhammad's perfect character. As soon as you start going back to your earliest sources, looking at what they say, you get a very, very night and day difference picture of what happened compared to what Muslims believe today. So you debate a Muslim scholars fairly often.

Is that right? I've been in, I think I've been in a little over 60 debates, maybe around 10 or a dozen of those were with non-Muslims, so with atheists and so on. So probably around 50 debates with Muslims. And we've been doing live streams where we just invite any Muslim who wants to come on with us can join us live and defend his position. We just recently did five days in a row with Dr. Shweb Syed from India. And I gave him an hour and 20 minutes to defend his position. And he spent almost the entire time.

just attacking the Bible. And so we're doing that live. We're saying, hey, go ahead. Lay out the best you got. Lay out your best criticisms. And then we'll discuss them. We'll go through them and so on. So what are some of the principal attacks that he made on the Bible?

And how do you parry those attacks? Well, pretty standard stuff. So it'll be look at, you know, the story of Lott having sex with his daughters, getting drunk and his daughters having sex with them and stuff. So they'll point out all these, you know, immoral things in the Bible, apparently not realizing that, hey,

we agree that there are all kinds of immoral things. The Bible is recording things that it's not promoting. It's recording, right? When it talks about someone, the war's going on or someone, or David, you know, having Uriah killed and things like that, it's not saying,

hey, these are good things to do, and therefore everyone needs to do them. We say that these things are descriptive rather than prescriptive. It's describing things. This was a Muslim scholar? Yes. but it would strike me that a Muslim scholar would agree with that part of the Bible.

In other words, that they say that that's part of their, you know, the canon of their faith as well. Is that not true? Yeah, you're right on track as far as the major response. If an atheist were bringing these things up, then the response would be to show what role these things play in history and to explain how the revelation works and so on. When a Muslim is bringing these things up and saying, therefore, this can't be the word of God, their response is more along the lines of,

wait a minute, your God and your prophet affirm the inspiration and the preservation and the authority of our book. You're condemning it. So you're condemning your own God and your own prophet for affirming our book that you just condemned. So it's more along those lines where, and some people are like, well, why are you using their stuff to,

to avoid defending your own. It's more along the lines of, you know, if I were to argue that, let's say I argue that Jesus rose from the dead to an atheist and the atheist says, that's nonsense because miracles are impossible. Well, my response there would be some sort of defense of the possibility of miracles, defense of the existence

of God, something like that. If a Muslim said to me, well, the resurrection is ridiculous because miracles don't occur. My response is not going to be to give a defense of the philosophical possibility of miracles. It's going to be, you're a Muslim. What are you talking about? If you want to, if you want to leave Islam and become an agnostic or an atheist and then come back with that objection, by all means do so.

But right now, your own beliefs block this criticism. And that's sort of the same thing. If your God and your prophet affirm the inspiration and the authority of both the Torah and the gospel. And your book says no one can ever change Allah's words and that Allah revealed these texts, then the moment you start attacking them, hey, wait a minute, you're attacking your own God and your own. prophet here. So I mean, it sounds to me like, you know, because the gospel's affirmed the bodily resurrection of Jesus, the, the Muslims are in a pickle, like right out of the starting gate and that their faith rests on an intellectual hodgepodge that's so messy. So what accounts for

the appeal of Islam? In other words, how is it possible that things like that can be waved away by so many people so easily? Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, it's really inescapable. The Quran affirms texts that contradict Islam, right? So there are only two possibilities. Either we have, either we have the inspired, preserved, authoritative word of God, or we don't. We've got something that's corrupt or something else. If we have the inspired preserved authoritative word of God, Islam is false, because Islam contradicts our book.

If we don't have the inspired preserved authoritative word of God, Islam is false. Because it says Islam says we have the inspired preserved authoritative word of God. So either way, Islam is false. Early Muslims who started to recognize this that the Quran is affirming texts that contradict the Quran. They're basically in a position where you can't come out and say, oh, I guess Islam is wrong. You get your head chopped off. So it just became ingrained in Islam over the centuries. Nope.

Their books have been corrupted, even though the Quran denies that anyone could corrupt these books. And they'll just say it over and over and over again. And you just keep, you have to keep putting the sources, their own. sources in front of them, showing them, look, your own sources contradict what you're telling us right now. You're saying the Bible has been corrupted. Your own God says it can't corrupt. It can't be corrupted. Your own book says, and people want to look up the references, Surah 18, verse 27, Surah 6, verse 115, both of those say, in the context of talking about the books of Allah, no one can change his words. And so no one can change the words of Allah that he's revealed,

and yet every Muslim is walking up saying, yep, Allah revealed the Torah in the gospel, but they were corrupted. So they're contradicting their own books. And so it just takes a while to get them out of this. Well, there must be many Muslim scholars or scholarly imams who know what you're talking about. How do you suppose they get around it?

What do they do to get around this? Well, we don't have to get hypothetical here. We know exactly what they say. Their arguments are absolutely horrible. They go to these verses, the Quran, which when you read them in context or you read them in the context of the historical background can't possibly be talking about the corruption of the Bible. And they'll say it does anyway because the alternative is that Islam is false. So they'll go to verses of the Quran

and the verses will not be saying anything about the corruption of, let's say, the gospel. And they'll say it is, they'll say it is anyway. So the strongest verse they had is sort of two, verse 79. That's the verse that supposedly says the Bible's been corrupted. I did a video going through 26 reasons. It can't possibly refer to the corruption of the text. And they'll still say it does anyway. So it's just a sad situation. I'm assuming that you've seen a lot of people come to Christian faith as a result of your ministry, of your knowledge of both faiths. So when we come back, I want to talk a little bit about that. Folks, I'm talking to David. Would the website Act 17, the numbers

17, 17.org will be right back. So, David, you must, over the years, have seen many Muslims come to faith in Christ. Talk about that a little bit, because I'm fascinated. Yeah, so lots. One or two before Nabil, and then Nabil became a Christian,

and then, yeah, there was a time, probably four or five years ago when I was sort of skimming my comments on YouTube during the morning, I'd go through my comments and take pictures of the people who said they were leaving Islam, and it was between one and three a day, people who were saying they were leaving Islam. And sometimes they become atheists, right? Sometimes they just say, wow, I don't trust religion anymore after it did this to me. So sometimes they became, they would become atheist. But a lot of times they don't distrust everything.

they still believe in God, they still believe in Jesus. And so those tend to become Christians. And so it was between one and three a day, comments I was getting, it was too time-consuming, so I stopped doing that. I would guess that it would be much more now. But sometimes I'll look down in the comments of a particular video I posted and see 10 or 12 comments saying, hey, I left Islam after watching these videos.

And so it's really just, this is the best time in all of history. This is the best time in all of history for people who want to reach Muslim. with the gospel, there's never been a better time. I mean, 14 centuries of Christians, you had Christians over here and you had Muslims over there. And if you wanted to go reach Muslims with the gospel, you had a good chance of getting your head chopped off. Whereas now, you have tons of Muslims in the West, but you also have the technology that, I mean, anyone who's watching right now can talk to a Muslim in Saudi Arabia on Facebook using your phone. I mean, no 14 centuries, I mean, 14 centuries of Christians who wanted to reach Muslims

with the gospel couldn't have dreamed of these kinds of opportunities. And that's That's why it's so effective right now to be using technology to be exposing some of the claims of Islam and to be sharing facts about Christianity. How many viewers do you get typically on some of your videos? It can be millions of a video really takes off, usually probably 40 to 50,000 views in the first day of a video. And then it kind of depends on where it goes from there. That is so extraordinary and so encouraging.

Well, I don't imagine that there are too many people who are as effective as you are at doing what you do. So I would say that folks can use your videos and send them around. And that's one of the reasons I want to have you. You want to encourage people to find your videos on YouTube, Acts 17 apologetics being the channel, and to send them around. Because I've always said that the more we talk about these things, when people tell you to shut up and don't talk about something, you know, you know they're hiding something. and that we've had a lot of guests on talking about things that other people won't talk about because I thought, are we afraid of the truth? If we're afraid of the truth, maybe we've got a problem, you know, so, but it is wonderful

to hear. I would imagine that as a result of your success in this area, your life has been threatened. Yeah, pretty, pretty regularly. Actually, it's interesting, it's not as much now as it used to be. I used to get death threats pretty much every day, and it wouldn't just be about, it wouldn't just be towards me. It would be, you know, there would obviously be that, hey, we're going to saw your head off. Hey, we're going to kill you. Hey, we're going to slaughter you. It would also be, hey, we're going to rape your wife and kill her in front of you. We're going to rape your

mother. We're going to slaughter your kids. That's how you know they're worshipping the one true God when they go there, right? Right away, you're thinking, you know what? I may have made a mistake. That's pretty gruesome. Why do you think this has gone downhill somewhat? Well, I mean, that's part of the religion. Muhammad ordered his followers to execute people for making fun of him. And so if you are criticizing Islam, if you're exposing things, there is this natural tendency to sort of lash out in the way that Muhammad would have. But it's really a means of control. In a Muslim country, I would be charged with blasphemy and I would be thrown in prison and executed in a place like Pakistan. In the West, you can't do that.

And so you have to rely on threats and intimidation to try and achieve the same goal. And it does work. I've seen people go into ministry to Muslims saying, man, I really have a heart and a passion for reaching Muslims. And then six months later, they're not touching it anymore. And I say, what happened? It's like, I can't deal with this. So the idea is if you heap enough abuse and threats on people,

you can actually control their behavior. There are other people who use this method. I was just going to say, this is what the cultural Marxists in today's left are doing, BLM and Antifa and others is that they know that if they are vicious, vicious, vicious, vicious, vicious. Eventually, most people will say, I can't deal with this. I don't want to deal with this, so I'll just shut up and go along with the program. Unfortunately, the Nazis also use that, so it doesn't really have too many antecedents that we can admire. If you're talking to

an atheist about the Christian faith, and they say what you believe is absolutely preposterous, what is your, you know, three-and-a-half-minute response to that kind of a mentality? me. Well, if I, I mean, if I'm talking to an atheist, it would, I would start by asking some questions about how various things happen, because the atheists really don't seem to apply the same level of skepticism to their own beliefs. I mean, if you believe that, you know, universe explode by whatever means, you know, the universe explode, whether you believe in the multiverse that came before it or something like that, and then it just so happens to have the right laws of nature and so on for life when it's massively impromptial and you believe that life formed on

its own and that human consciousness arose through natural processes, you've got a series of miracles. And so I don't think you're in a position to just be dismissive of Christians or Muslims or anyone, right? I mean, you believe some stuff that flies in the face of everything we know. Everything we've ever learned through science tells us where information comes from. And the information that's packed into yourselves is vastly more sophisticated. You have vastly more sophisticated information storage systems than these books, this computer, anything, right? So to just say, well, you know, I have the beliefs that are grounded in, you know,

reason and you guys have these superstitious, silly beliefs. So I would spend some time on that and then try to get the atheist to realize. Do you realize why I would, do you at least realize why I would think that this requires an intelligent designer? or do you at least understand why I would think that the universe requires a cause based on cause and effect? And get them to realize that, hey, maybe I shouldn't just be saying all these people are stupid. And then to kind of take it from there. So what's more reasonable here, intelligence or non-intelligence?

What's more reasonable here, a cause or no cause? And then, you know, eventually get into a case for miracles, things like that. Well, and you're talking about things. I mean, I've talked about this quite a bit myself, and I'm working on a book that deals. with this, but that it is the science of the last 50 or 60 years that points to the idea of a God beyond space and time, an intelligent designer. In other words, you could have made these claims, you know, that some of these atheists make in 1890, and it would be much harder to challenge them.

But the science has day by day, year by year, pointed in the opposite direction, which is, of course, at least ironic. Yeah, I mean, I believe that Christians now have better evidence for their core claims about the existence of God and the resurrection than we've ever had. You might have had better evidence for the resurrection if you were there. But as far as historical evidence for the resurrection, scientific and philosophical evidence for the existence of God, we have stronger evidence now than we've ever had. What's happened is that people have gone almost insane with their level of skepticism in terms of beliefs that they don't want to entertain. All they do is they raise their skepticism up to level 10. But when their own claims are being investigated, they lower their level of skepticism down to one.

And so you can shift your level of skepticism to come up with any system you want, right? Anything I don't want to believe, I'm going to be level 10 skepticism. Anything I want to believe, I'm going to lower it until the drops of the floor. And that's kind of where I see things right now. A major retail chain just canceled a massive order, leaving my pillow with an overstock, of the classic MyPillows, and this is your gain, because for a limited time, My Pills are offering their entire classic collection at true wholesale prices. Get a standard MyPillow for just 1798.

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