The Eric Metaxas Show - Dennis Prager
Episode Date: October 4, 2024Dennis Prager shares his thoughts on the State of American and Israel. ...
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Some of you know, if you listen to this program,
that this week we're doing a special
Bonhofer New York City tour.
The Bonhofer film
is coming out next
month. We saw a sneak peek
of it last night. It's
spectacular.
And this
morning, those who are with us, we went to the Jewish Museum. I don't know if I think it's the
Holocaust Museum in New York City, extremely moving. And anyway, we're talking about Bonhofer,
we're talking about speaking out for the Jews, we're talking about living out your faith. And
then we thought with the tour group, oh, why don't we do some stuff here in the studio? And I thought,
what, who do we get as a guest? And I thought, you know what, to keep with the theme, I said,
we want to get a really big Jew. And I thought, you know what? I know who that is. That would be my
friend, Dennis Prager. Dennis, my friend, welcome to the program. Do you like that introduction?
You don't have to like it. By the way, big Jew is literally accurate. I'm six foot four.
and whenever I'm at a church, which is frequent,
and I give a speech, I will often introduce myself.
Hi, Dennis Prager, tallest Jew in America.
Tallest Jew in America.
Well, the Jewish young man, Isaac, who gave us the tour at the Holocaust Museum,
at the Jewish Museum downtown on the battery in New York City, which everybody should go to,
he was 6'9.
I'm not making that up.
So he may now be the tallest Jew in America.
Yes, no, no, no.
I don't know.
I don't want to handle that.
You, I love you so much, and we can't stop joking with each other.
This is one of the reasons I love you.
But in all seriousness, we are with when the Bonhoeff,
the idea that the Bonhofer movie is coming out next month.
I'm talking about Bonhofer wherever I go.
Somebody at the screening last night, we did a Q&A after the Bonhofer screening.
And somebody said, do you have,
have a sense that this movie is coming out at just the right time. And I thought, yes, unfortunately,
unfortunately, anti-Semitism, Jew hatred, is on the rise. So yes, I think this movie is coming out
at the right time. I think it's God's timing because God knows the future. Anyway, I wanted to talk to
you about, you know, what I talked to you about at Socrates in the city back in December. What is your sense
of where we are in this country with this issue, where are we, what is going on with Israel?
I mean, while you and I are talking right now, you know, it looks like we could be scratching at the
door of World War III. Unbelievable to say that with a straight face. What is your sense of
where we are and the future of Israel, the near-term future? Well, it's such a large question.
you could actually go out, have lunch, and I'll just be winding down.
Evil concentrates on the Jews.
The third edition of a book I wrote 40 years ago was coming out,
why the Jews explaining anti-Semitism.
Unfortunately, Simon & Schuster thought the time was right to put out yet another edition.
unfortunately.
But this is really important for non-Jews to understand.
The Jews are, the cliche is accurate.
Jews are the canary in the mine.
The canary dies.
There's poison fumes in your mind.
The Jews are killed.
They're poisoned fumes in your society or in your world.
by the way, it's completely independent of any individual Jew.
There are some despicable Jews.
There are some angelic Jews, like every group on earth.
So the issue is divine.
The issue isn't Jewish behavior as such.
Whether or not Jews act according to the Torah, which is how we're supposed to act,
evil hates the Jew.
Evil hates atheist Jews as much as Orthodox Jews.
Okay.
So what we're seeing today is if you can't identify Hamas Hezbollah and the Iranian regime as today's Nazis,
it's your moral failing.
It's as simple as that.
I wasn't really planning to, I didn't have any plans to ask.
anything. I just want to have a conversation with you. But while you were talking, I thought to myself, you know, because we were at this, the Holocaust Museum, the Jewish Museum here in New York, I was thinking about this. And it's so chilling. I, you know, personally like to avoid museums like that because it's too painful for me. Writing the Bonhoeffer book was, it's painful. But of course, it's important. And we have seen a lot of people recently make,
dramatically idiotic statements about the Jews.
Whenever anybody's talking about the Jews already, we know, strike three.
You recently addressed some of the things that Candace Owens had said.
I didn't watch that.
I've had her on this program in the past.
What is your sense of, can you reprise a little bit of what you felt needed pushback?
So this week, well, this past week, Prager You put out my 7,500 word letter to Candice.
I have had a relationship with Candice since she used to work with Prager You.
I attended her wedding.
This was one of the saddest projects of my life to write this 7,500 word piece.
It's extremely sober.
I don't, there were no ad hominem attacks whatsoever.
But if I pray people will read it because it's, it is pretty devastating.
The things that she has said, she actually does believe apparently, and I quote, it took me a month.
And equally my wife, who's, you know, brilliant.
It took her a month.
It took two months of research to make sure that everything I quoted her as saying was in context and accurate.
And I haven't memorized the lines.
They're all in my open letter, which is at prageru.com.
But, I mean, even to the extent that there was credibility given to the death of Christians around Passover time,
as if Jews were still involved in ritual murder still involved.
They were never involved.
I mean, this was the great blood libel.
The Jews would kill Christian children and use their blood to bake matzah for Passover.
Jews are not even allowed to have animal blood.
And I've never had it.
You know, that's why we salt meat to get all the blood out.
It's a biblical law that you can.
I'm very sorry that you're having to explain this.
I mean, this is pretty sick.
that this, I'm glad you're saying it, but it's just astonishing that we need to go back to this.
But anyway, here we are.
But so people can read, and they should, it sounds intimidating 7,500 words, but it's just, it's an hour's reading.
And it's very important.
Again, it's up at the prayer you.com.
But the larger issue today is the,
the staggering hostility to Israel.
Nikki Haley wrote a magnificent peace last December,
having been the ambassador to the UN,
how it is, how every single rule is broken with regard to Israel.
There are more, she wrote,
there's more condemnation in the UN of Israel
in binding resolutions than, again,
against North Korea, Russia, China combined.
Well, first of all, my first takeaway from that is,
why don't we just abolish the UN?
We ought to have abolished it years ago
because there's nothing more preposterous
than the quote-unquote United Nations.
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I want to obviously continue the conversation with you.
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Welcome back. I'm talking to my friend Dennis Prager. Dennis, I say,
it unapologetically. I love you. You are, you're fun to talk to. You are dramatically substantive
as well. The two can go together. And you're talking about, for example, the lunacy, and that's a
nice word, the evil of the United Nations condemning Israel more than it condemns all of these
truly despicable, wicked nation states, Iran, North Korea.
The only explanation for this, and I remember it was Michael Brown years ago.
I was, it's got to be in the 90s.
He spoke at Yale.
I went up to visit.
And he was talking about anti-Semitism and how it is everywhere.
You know, the white supremacist, the Aryan nationalists hate the Jews.
The black nationalists hate the Jews.
What is going on?
What's going on, obviously, is hatred of the Jews is a hatred of the Jews.
is a hatred of God.
It's a hatred of God's people.
It is a constant throughout history.
And here's the good news.
It proves God to me.
Just as much as, you know, was it to Frederick the Great who said, you know, somebody said, give me proof of God and he said, the Jews.
You could easily say hatred of the Jews.
It proves God because there's no other logical explanation for the hatred from every quarter of the Jews.
Well, I just want to say something that, well, I don't know if it transcends this issue, but you are as kindred a spirit to me as any human that I know.
I mean, that, for whatever it is, is a very big compliment.
You so get it, and so most people don't get it.
And by the way, I would say that most Jews don't get it.
Most Jews are baffled.
But by the, you'll love this.
In light of what you said, you will love this.
Are you ready?
So the Talmud, which is as large as the Encyclopedia Britannica, it is the second
holiest work in Judaism after the, after the Bible.
It's in Aramaic.
It's about 1,800 years old.
And they discuss, it's mostly.
but it's a lot of philosophy and theology.
So they ask, the rabbis asked, why are the Jews hated?
And you will love this, I know you so well.
So this is the answer.
And by the way, there's in this gigantic, 50-volume work,
that there's just like five sentences on anti-Semitism
because it wasn't complex.
and the rabbi said they used a play on Hebrew words.
You don't have to know Hebrew to see it's a play.
The two words are Sinah and Sinai.
They sound almost identical, correct?
Sinah means hatred.
Sinai means Sinai.
The Sinai, the hatred, comes from Sinai.
That's it.
The Jews got the Ten Commandments at Sinai,
and the world hates them for introducing this to the world.
just what you were saying now.
Well, and listen, as I say, it proves God to me, this irrational hatred.
That's right.
And by the way, I mean, you see this now in this rage against God.
It's a rage against the reality that God created, a rage against he made us in his image male and female.
We now have people that are at war with that idea.
It's fundamentally anti-human because we are made in God's image.
He loves us.
And so you see this rage manifest itself in various ways.
And again, it is a rage against God.
But I think what's interesting, Dennis, is that, you know, we've grown up in recent decades.
At least I thought, you know, we were kind of past that.
We're kind of past that.
I mean, when you see what happened in Nazi Germany, it's almost like, and again, I've been talking about this everywhere.
My two recent books are about this.
You want to say that's an outlier.
You want to say that what happened there, well, that can't happen again.
That's just some bizarre outlier.
But you'd have to say, well, why?
Why?
Unless you're a racist against the Germans, where the Germans uniquely evil, that's like saying the Jews are uniquely evil.
Evil is evil, and it waxes and wanes in history.
And I think in recent years, we're seeing the waxing of it again in various ways and,
most obviously, most on the nose in the rising anti-Semitism.
I mean, it's bizarre.
I don't know where it goes.
What is your sense of those who are harshly critical of Israel's response
to what is happening over there.
I have two immediate ones.
One is Douglas Murray's great line,
is another great non-Jew who gets it about the world,
about good and evil.
He has a great line,
and that is that Israel is the only country in the world
that is not allowed to win a war.
It's a brilliant line.
It's absolutely correct.
Seas-fire, ceasefire, seize fire.
Secondly,
Was the United States Britain and Britain, for example, Canada and others who bombed Germany during the Nazi era?
Were they the villains?
Well, by the way, on Tucker Carlson's show, Churchill was depicted as the villain.
There is an inversion of moral thinking that is almost brand new in American history.
That the bad is the good and the good is the bad.
Churchill is the villain and Hitler was the victim.
That is essentially what was being said on Tucker Carlson by a man that Tucker Carlson said is the greatest popular historian in America.
I don't remember his name. It's irrelevant.
Are you going to write a letter, 7,500 word essay?
Well, I actually did write a column, 750 words, one-tenth to size, when Tucker Carlson said that if you think that the bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki were moral,
evil.
Tucker said that?
Yes.
I never think of Tucker as
silly. What a silly
thing to say for someone
whom I respect profoundly.
How bizarre.
How bizarre?
Well, that's why
it's depressing.
It's just depressing.
But something has happened, and I don't know what it is.
The left
has crushed
normal moral norms. I think they're
part of the villainy because people who think this way generally are college graduates.
I mean, if men give birth, then Israel is the villain.
It follows.
Excuse me.
You've just summed up where we are right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's right.
I'm lactating at the very thought of it.
Just kidding.
Men can't laugh at them.
I just want to test my audience.
It might be a trans movement.
I mean, you know, or trans man.
No, but I mean, the thing is, you.
you have to make fun of these things because it's a level of preposterousness.
Right.
That is, it's difficult to take in.
I mean, there are things that people say, and you can say, well, you have a point.
And then we're dealing with this kind of stuff.
It's madness.
I mean, it's like the idea that we shouldn't have a southern border.
We should defund the police.
Men can become women.
I mean, it's so preposterous.
But the good news, Dennis, is I think most people know that.
It's only the cultural elites that are crazy enough to buy these things and
to push them.
Right.
But when it's happening on our side, that's worrisome.
And that's why you just mentioned Candice Owens and to a lesser extent, Tucker.
That's right.
That's right.
Look, Tucker, both of them did Prager You videos.
I mean, I know them both.
I attended Candace's wedding.
I mean, this is very painful things for me to tell you.
I don't, I really, really, there are many things, there are very few things where I really don't know
what to say. I don't, I can't comprehend these things. Well, so you do know what to say. If anybody
knows you do. I just won't let everybody know. My admiration for you is very profound. You have
courage and you have clarity, which is the two things that are critical. I have said in speeches
for 40 years
that the verse that
evangelicals
often quote in their support for Israel
I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you
from Genesis God to Abraham
I wrote actually a column on this
about 10 years ago
I said you don't have to be a believer
to know that that is true
those who curse the Jews end up cursed
those who bless the Jews end up blessed
it is not a coincidence that the most blessed nation for the last 200 years has blessed Israel.
Israel is only in existence 75, but they blessed the Jews.
This country has been a blessing to Jews.
And I always added, always in every speech to Jews and Christians,
that should there ever be a day when America abandons the Jews and Israel,
it will no longer be blessed.
Dennis, can I, Hank, can you give us another five minutes?
Yeah.
Okay, folks, we'll be right back talking to Dennis Prager.
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I'm talking to Dennis Prager.
Dennis, what you just said reprise that last piece, that you believe that when America, if America ceases.
I've said this for 40 years.
This is not new.
you can't deny the two facts.
You may say they're not related,
but you can't deny that America has blessed the Jews and Israel.
You can't deny that America has been the most blessed nation.
Now, you may say that they are completely unrelated.
That's fine.
But the fact is that those two things have coexisted.
And I have said with equal,
certitude that should America ever abandon the Jews in Israel, it will no longer be blessed.
Now, that's a matter of conjecture and faith, perhaps. But I think we're seeing it. We are going
through bad stuff in the United States at the very same time that its elite is profoundly
hostile to the only nation on earth that is targeted for annihilation.
There is no example on earth of a country targeted for annihilation
except the Jewish country, the only one, the size of New Jersey.
And people wonder who's right.
Yeah, it's just so sobering.
I mentioned that earlier just today we're doing this Bonhoffer tour
and I was at the Jewish Museum downtown on the battery here in Manhattan.
And to be reminded of what I know,
but to be reminded and to look at it.
It is staggering.
And I think part of the reason it's important for us to stare into the abyss of the evil of the Nazis and the Holocaust
is because it reminds us that evil is real.
Anybody who is so naive as to think that somehow we've transcended this, what do you make?
How do you make human sense, any kind of rational sense,
of what happened in Germany under the Nazis.
I mean, it really, I would say, if you don't believe in God,
how do you make sense of that?
Because this is evil.
There's a level of evil.
I mean, and again, I think we're always tempted to forget because it's too painful.
But the idea of the systematic murder of millions, and it's the systematic part.
This is not like, you know, Rwanda, people running around with machetes.
We're talking about bloodless, systematic, mechanized murder of millions.
It just stops you dead.
It just stops you absolutely dead.
And we need to be reminded that we're living in the same world today that we were living in the 30s and the 40s in Germany.
We haven't evolved to some kind of higher realm.
And so, to me, the only only...
The only antidote to that evil is God.
And I'm just kind of amazed that people who can look at that
and somehow not come to that conclusion.
I don't know.
I think that they have to not think about it.
That's why your voice is so important.
I was looking for a longer answer.
I gave the answer.
It's, there's no other explanation.
Yeah.
You know, people in my book, why the Jews,
Okay, excuse me.
I've been talking a lot today.
In my book,
Why the Jews, these things are addressed constantly of the unique nature.
There is no other way of explaining it.
You know, people say, well, one of the reasons the Jews are hated is because they say they're the chosen people.
And that is true, by the way.
That is one of the reasons.
Yeah.
But here, you will love this.
If you never heard me say this, I know you so well, you will love this.
So whenever I say to people, you know, one of the reasons the Jews are hated is because they say they're the chosen people.
People go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now think about it.
Jews are among the tiniest groups on planet Earth.
So I often point out that Japanese believe they get the sun before the rest of humanity.
that's the land of the rising sun.
The sun is on their flag
because they get the sun first.
Does anybody hate the Japanese for thinking
they get the sun first?
No, you know what people think?
If you want to believe you get the sun first,
what do I care?
The Chinese, the word of China in Chinese
means middle kingdom.
They're the center of the world.
That is the Chinese view.
Anybody hate the Chinese.
You think of the center of the world.
You have the center of the world.
But if the Jews say they're chosen,
You know why the Jews are hated for saying they're chosen?
Because people believe it.
Ooh, that's good.
Well, you know why people believe it because it's true.
That's right.
Dennis, we have 40 seconds left.
Are you sanguine about the prospects of America pulling out of the death spiral in which we currently find ourselves?
I'm asked if I'm optimistic or pessimistic.
And I'm flattered that you use the word sanguine with me knowing that I would know what
means optimistic. I've asked that all the time, and here is my answer. I have no use for optimism
or pessimism. All I care about is do you fight? Pessimism says don't fight because it'll turn out
bad. Optimism says don't fight. It'll turn out good. I have no use for either. If you don't fight,
then you have wasted your time on earth. We're singing the same song so dramatically that I find it
humorous, as I always do when I talk to you. I mean, you've just said what I say in different words
over and over and over. And I flatter myself to think that I agree with you. Dennis,
sorry, we're out of time. I love you. Thanks for coming on today. I love you.
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We have over 8,000 signatures from Costco members, investors, others,
asset managers representing over $100 billion collectively that are pleading with Costco,
specifically, and then broader with letters from these asset managers and others.
to these other five, to just really encourage them to stay out of this politically divisive,
socially fraught, you know, landscape legally.
There are huge unsettled issues.
They open themselves up to potential damaging litigation in an unsettled landscape of how to,
you know, dispense abortion drugs across, you know, states with different laws and all those
things that are still being worked out.
So we're pleading with them to make a good decision.
for their shareholders and to stay out of the whole thing, right?
Don't cave to the radical abortion activists who would want to see abortion drugs,
you know, just raining from the sky for everybody.
It doesn't make any sense.
So, you know, some of the statistics, one in 25 women are admitted to the ER when they use one
of these drugs, right?
This is not a safe drug.
Seven percent of them require surgery.
And when you have a woman who takes one of these drugs,
without an in-person doctor visit, the rate of hospitalization increases 300%.
These are FDA statistics.
The 7% requiring surgery is on that FDA label for this drug.
And so, again, these pharmacies, Costco, Albertsons, Krovers, McKesson, Walmart,
need to get a spine and stand up against the radical abortion mob
and hear from people like you listening here and then their investors and members
that this is not something that we think is a good idea for them to get involved in.
Well, I mean, it's immoral.
There are things that are legal, which are immoral.
Caring pornography is legal.
It is immoral.
And Americans who don't want pornography in the stores where they take their kids,
they're not going to go to those stores.
They don't want to invest, put their money, and help stores that couldn't care less about families,
about right and wrong, about our values.
we don't want to support those kinds of, well, retailers or any kind of companies.
And so this is a tremendous leverage point that we have.
Obviously, we can vote.
A lot of people don't vote.
Shame on you.
Obviously, we invest money.
Where do you invest your money?
If you want to know what your money is supporting, go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric.
That's the website.
Inspireadvisors.com.
slash Eric, that will give you information. They will help you figure out if your money is inspiring
this myriad horrible things. And probably some of it is, and you want to get your money out of there,
go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. A final comment, Robert. Yeah, I would encourage you to do that.
Do you own one of these companies in your mutual funds, your 401Ks? Most people don't know.
We'll give you a free report on that site that.
that Eric just mentioned,
that we'll just show you if you own one of these companies
and then we'll help you get involved.
If you want to add your name as an investor or whatnot
and help to keep abortion drugs out of these retail pharmacies
and protect women, protect their unborn babies, do what's right.
Don't do nothing.
And then there's other companies that you might be involved in that will also show you
that you might be able to take some action in.
We'd love to help you with that.
Please reach out.
We'd love to just end up the volume.
Your money is investing in Anheiser, Bush, Bud Light, Disney, Target.
Folks, we have tremendous power.
Thank you, Robert, and folks, go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric.
Again, it's inspireadvisors.com slash Eric.
Chris, can I hit pause for a second?
I keep realizing that we're only able to do this program because we have these amazing
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$11 a month.
That's crazy.
I think that's how much my pumpkin spice latte was that I kick off the autumn with last week.
That's what I heard.
I guess the venty, venty.
Shame on you for buying that junk.
I know.
That sugary junk.
I also want to mention another partner is the Hempie.
Heritage Foundation.
They're the folks behind Project
2025. Oh,
perhaps you've heard of it.
If you go to their website
for that, it's 2.5truth.com.
2.5truth.com.
It's kind of amazing
because the left
is really freaked out by Project
2025. And that's one of the reasons
you've got to love the Heritage
Foundation. They do this.
you know, whenever it looks like there's going to be a conservative coming into the White House
and by God's grace, Donald Trump will get in there.
How does he hit the ground running?
Project 2025 will help so you can check it out at 25truth.com.
And before I go, yeah, it's kind of like Pelosi saying we need to pass it to see what's in it.
So Trump means to win.
So we can see what's in 2025.
Right?
Yeah, 25truth.com.
And by the way, before I go, let me remind you to see the film vindicating Trump by our friend
Dinesh D'Souza.
Honestly, folks, when somebody puts out a movie like this, we have an obligation to go and see it.
Vindicating Trump, you can get tickets online at vindicatingtrump.com.
That's vindicatingtrump.com.
And we're proud to partner with our friend Dinesh D'Souza.
Check it out, vindicating trump.com.
