The Eric Metaxas Show - Diana West

Episode Date: April 20, 2020

Diana West, author of "The Red Thread," comes into the bunker for an examination of her idea that China's connection with W.H.O. centers around the ultimate goal of global government. ...

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Starting point is 00:00:12 But first, two very important questions. Have you ever tried to stack marbles while wearing boxing gloves? Also, did you know that marigolds and geraniums hate each other? Absolutely. And now your host, Eric Mataxis. Hey, folks, welcome to the Eric Metaxus show. My calendar tells me that it's Monday, the 20th of April. And who can forget to wish happy birthday to Adolf Hitler?
Starting point is 00:00:37 I think he was born in 1878, which would make him, gosh, A hundred and forty-two years young had he lived. Had he not killed himself in a cowardly fashion in the bunker? In a bunker. Now, Chris Himes, you remember this. Alvin, I don't know if you remember this, but when this program started, do you guys know today, five years ago today? That's right.
Starting point is 00:01:03 This program started. And when they told me the start date of the program, April 20th, I said, April 20th, you sure? They go, yeah, that's the date. Salem Media, the brass at Salem Media. They gave me that as the date. And I said, well, I happen to know that that's Hitler's birthday. I don't know if I really want to start on Hitler's birthday.
Starting point is 00:01:22 But there was no choice. These guys are all Nazis. No, just kidding. But they said, sorry, that's the date. So I said, I know what I'm going to do for my first interview. And Chris, I know you remember this. I'm going to have on. I got a candle here.
Starting point is 00:01:37 I'm going to have on Alice von Hildebrand. Oh, yeah. Dave Ellis von Hilda brand. Yeah. She's now about 95. So five years ago, she was only 90, a child of 90. But Alice von Hildebrand, her husband, who passed away around 1980, he was one of the number one enemies of Nazism in Europe. The Nazis tried to kill him.
Starting point is 00:02:04 His name's Dietrich von Hildebrand. He was a tremendous hero. And I thought, what a cool thing for my first show. on Hitler's birthday to have as my guest the widow of one of the great celebrated enemies of Hitler and national socialism. So take that, you nutty Nazis. And that's five years ago. So, Eric, you want to blow out the camp?
Starting point is 00:02:28 You want to blow out the candle, Eric? You know it is. And I'm going to try. I'm going to try. I can't believe that we have the technology where I can do that. That's wild. Yeah, I remember when she came to the show and she was adorable. She is adorable.
Starting point is 00:02:45 She was talking to her husband, you know, speaking about this lion-hearted man and how he was the only one that, you know, was kind of man enough to stand up against Hitler. Oh, he was, I mean, I'm telling you, Diedrich von Hildebrand, huge hero, and Alice von Hildebrand, huge hero. But I don't want to forget to tell my audience who we have on today, enough about five years ago, today we have on Diana West. She is another kind of hero. She writes about communist infiltration of the United States and of the European West.
Starting point is 00:03:22 And we haven't had her on in a while. Obviously, because of the format we're using, we'll have her on video so you can see her while we have our conversation. Very important conversation about what is happening with China right now. It's gruesome stuff. We're basically at war, and we're also internally at war in the United States because we have a lot of people here who either don't understand what's at stake and are siding with the enemy or who sort of do understand what's at stake and are siding with the enemy. I hate to put things in such draconian terms, but you listen to the conversation that I will have with Diana West and you can decide for yourself. We've got her for most of both hours today. Also, we will have on our friends at the Alliance Defending Freedom in hour two.
Starting point is 00:04:11 We're talking to one of our friends at the Alliance Defending Freedom, Ryan Tucker, about what's been going on. People are getting arrested in Mississippi for having drive-in church services. It is an outrage. We will discuss it. God bless Alliance Defending Freedom. Okay, guys, I got a couple quick things I have to share. The other day, yesterday.
Starting point is 00:04:33 yesterday, yes, yesterday. I was running in New York City, as I often do. I wasn't running from the law. I was just running for my health. And I suddenly realized that I'm on the same block as the Abyssinian Baptist Church, where Bonhofer's life was changed up in Harlem. It is there. It's been a church for all these years.
Starting point is 00:04:58 And 90 years later, I'm staying in front of the church. So I made a short video of myself, I put it on Twitter and on Facebook if you want to see what I look like when I'm all sweaty and running. But I got to tell you, it was such a cool thing to pass by this dramatically historic spot where 90 years before Dietrich Bonhofer was attending services, teaching Sunday school, and having his life changed so that he understood that being a man of Christian faith means action. It doesn't just mean words. It means living a life of action.
Starting point is 00:05:38 So, of course, when he went back to Germany in the following year, or I should say in 1931, he was different. People could see that he was different. His experience with the true Christians in the black church in Harlem was something that just changed him forever. And he really said that he only saw faith in New York in the black churches, that the main mainstream Protestant churches had already effectively wed themselves to the zeitgeist, and they're still wed to the zeitgeist, which will eventually die, and there'll be widows, as predicted by some clever person. I can't remember who. So that really was an amazing thing, but even more amazing to me is that while I was on my run, I was listening to this radio program,
Starting point is 00:06:26 because I sometimes listen to this program when I'm running just to see, and we played an encore with the son of Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Ignat Solzhen. If you missed that, folks, yes, thank you, Albin. Alvin's holding up my book, Seven More Men. It just came in the mail for my copy. Just came in the mail. I'm not kidding, like two hours ago. I just picked it up. Oh, really? Yes. Well, thank you for patronizing my work.
Starting point is 00:06:53 I got to start reading it. And thank you for being patronizing in general. I was just patronizing then when I said that. Thank you. But seriously, the seventh man in, I'm sorry, the sixth man in my book, my new book, Seven More Men, is Alexander Solzhenitson. And so to have the privilege, seriously, folks, huge privilege to speak to his son, who lives in New York, he's a brilliant musician. If you miss that, you can find it on our YouTube page, we will put it out, I guess we put it out in our e-blast this week. But it was an amazing conversation.
Starting point is 00:07:32 this stuff that he said, I forget. I mean, this is many months ago. And so on my run, I'm refreshing my memory of this conversation listening. And I thought, what a conversation. I've got, Albin, please make a note. We've got to get him back ASAP. I mean, honestly, when we get back in the studio, we've got to get him back on to talk about it. Believe it or not, I've been, I've been bugging him about that. So hopefully we'll get him shortly or, you know. Right on. Yeah, right on, man. Right on. Cool. But it's funny that I spoke to the son. of the sixth man in my book, and I spoke to the son of the seventh man
Starting point is 00:08:06 in my book, Franklin Graham. That was on TBN this weekend. If you missed that, that was a particularly good show. Yeah. I got to tell you, I talked to the Benham Brothers on TBN. Okay, what else do we have to cover before it's too late? Greek Easter. Greek Easter. We had some lamb. I actually
Starting point is 00:08:22 had to drive, and we didn't go very far from Danbury, Connecticut. So we did put an appearance with my folks who you know, there's no way I'm not going to see my dad on Greek Easter. We wore masks, but faith can transcend medical masks. And it was just great to see my mom and dad. Now, you weren't arrested for meeting because it was a church event. Easter. No. Okay. Just want to be sure. No, no. But, okay, so today, when we talk to Diana West, we're going to carry that on into the second hour. And then in hour two, we will speak to our friends. at the Alliance Defending Freedom.
Starting point is 00:09:02 That stuff just gets me so angry. I thank God for the Alliance defending freedom. I also want to say that a big thank you to all of our sponsors, you know this is a tough time, folks. If ever there were a time to patronize, you know, honorbound coffee or Mypillow.com, you can imagine that they're going through it. So we're going to go to break.
Starting point is 00:09:29 We'll be right. back with Diana West. Don't go way. Hey folks, welcome back to the Eric Metaxus show. It's a show. It's entertaining. It's informative. It's a lot of things. It's even on YouTube, if you'd prefer to actually see the people involved. I am waiting for my hair to dry. This is a very hard season we're going through not being able to get a haircut. I have as my guest, as you already know, very excited about this. West, welcome to the program. Oh, wonderful to be back with you, Eric.
Starting point is 00:10:51 I'm waiting for my hair to dry too. It's really tough. We're living in tough times. Listen, Diana, you're most famous, I guess, for your book, the Red Thread. But you write about communism and how communist influences are still with us, still infiltrating the West and the United States. And I wanted to talk to you. I saw you someplace recently talking about China and what we're going through. And I thought, wouldn't it be great to get you on? So here you are. Yes, here I am. Yes. Well, the red thread is certainly the most recent work, but it really is a son of American betrayal, which is the big deep dive into communist influence inside America, directed at that time earlier in the 20th century, primarily from Moscow, from the Kremlin. And now we are in the 21st century, and we are looking at Chinese influence in a new way, aren't we?
Starting point is 00:11:51 We're looking at Chinese influence in all manner of unconventional warfare tactics and money and media and all the rest of it. So it's a good topic. Part of the problem, let me see if I can frame it a little bit. I think we were all trained by the West and by America when we were kids. in Cold War thinking that the Soviet empire is, in fact, evil, that they are godless, that they're wicked, that they're ingenious, and that we're in a high-stakes war with them for everything. Because of the way China has emerged historically, more recently, because of what I think of the idiocy of the, you know, trying to make money that our greed sort of gave them an opening by giving them most favored
Starting point is 00:12:53 nation status in the late 90s under Clinton and so that we don't see them. We have not seen them the way we saw the Soviet Union. It's not quite the same. We've kind of thought of them, and maybe I'm speaking for myself, but that we sort of them as potentially friends, that potentially they're opening up to our way of things, that things aren't so bad there anymore. Obviously, they're not in the middle of the cultural revolution under Mao. And it's a new day. But it seems to me that what we're discovering right now
Starting point is 00:13:24 is that if anything, it was, I mean, that it maybe never has been a new day, number one. And number two, maybe it was sort of a new day, but we have moved dramatically backwards, and that they seem to be operating now the way the Soviets were operating, you know, at the height of their evil power and desire to destroy the West? Well, I would say that, well, I don't know where you were trained, but I was trained to think we were all alike and that there was no evil empire until, of course, Ronald Reagan took great heat for telling us that. I believe it was in 1983 in a speech that was a game changer in the sense of,
Starting point is 00:14:10 He actually called them out. China and Russia, Soviet Union and Communist China, People's Republic of China, have never been in a new day, but that has always been the vector of disinformation that has essentially enveloped us and all of our leadership and all of our academia. This has been the disinformation wars that we have been struggling with going back really 100 years. And when we look at communist China going forward from 1949, that in and of itself was a big information war when we were told by our media and the left and the public square
Starting point is 00:14:48 that Mao was an agrarian. No kidding. I mean, this was back in the day, we were told it was a new day with Mao. So these things recurred just as, you know, Stalin was our friend. And then we went through different phases of detente and people coexistence. all of these tools of disinformation.
Starting point is 00:15:09 You're much more familiar with this, and I'm purposely wanting to take this to the level of my ignorance because I think that it's important. In other words, what's the general sense? And part of what I want to ask you first is your own biography. We both attended Yale. Yes. Now, at Yale, you know, that's where I, for the first time in my life,
Starting point is 00:15:34 drank the Kool-Aid of the left and began to be open to that way of thinking. Because my father who grew up in Greece where they fought the communists after World War II and my mother who was raised in East Germany, they had a very, very strong view of the communists as evil. So my question is, when you say you didn't really come to understand these things till Reagan said what he said, in what milieu were you raised? Well, I was speaking more generally about the American people in terms of the public square and discourse. In other words, that these narratives have been muscled over us. I grew up in Hollywood, the daughter of a writer who was very conservative in the 1960s. And so I live through culture wars that were going on downstairs at my parents' dinner table because my dad was fending off all of his Hollywood friends who were very much on the He had started more or less on the left as a kid. I mean, he voted for Franklin Roosevelt in Europe as a soldier during World War II and moved right, became a conservative, probably by about 1960, I'm guessing.
Starting point is 00:16:45 So he came over early in that sense. But in terms of what I was just trying to say was that China and communist China and communist Russia have always used disinformation to make people feel like it's a new day. back to Lenin in the 1920s, when he declared communism was over, and this was another effort, an early successful effort to get Western investment. We have essentially seen this throughout the century in both China and Russia using our media, using our politics in order to gain investment, military technology, dual-use technology, all manner of scientific exchange, quote-unquote. All of these things are tools to them. So all of it. was really trying to say was that they're not different. And we are really seeing just new cycles
Starting point is 00:17:37 in the same disinformation wars, which it's hard to remember if you're not studying it. And I would, I would generally say, we were not taught that in our schools growing up in the 60s, 70s, 80s. Well, what I mean, just to, again, to be very, very general. We know that, you know, in the 50s, for example, because of the nuclear threat, that there was a sense that our enemy is Russia or the Soviet Union. You know, Sputnik was the shot across our bow, that that was always there. The Cold War was there.
Starting point is 00:18:15 We wanted to put a man on the moon, in a sense, to punch the Soviets in the head, you know, that it would have no, there was no other reason, in a sense, to go to the moon. If you watch the James Bond movies, that it was part of a culture, that they're the godless enemy. And of course, you know, if your father's a writer in Hollywood, you're hanging around people who think that that's foolishness
Starting point is 00:18:40 and that we should open up to the Soviets. I mean, I remember reading something about Cheever, John Cheever, and some Russian poet. And, you know, you know that the intelligentsia, you know, from Lillian Hellman all the way up, they've been ridiculous. But generally, the American people, I think, When you say godless communism, they get that. But when you're talking about China today, that narrative doesn't really exist at all in the way that the godless communist narrative existed with regard to Russia.
Starting point is 00:19:12 At least that's how I see it. Well, you know, it kind of comes in and out of vogue, you might say. And certainly the James Bond movies, we're very careful not to have a designated Soviet villain, even if we sort of knew that. I mean, this was another exercise, really, in obfuscation in daytime. It's an ongoing problem because reality tends to be obscured. And I would say that while anti-communists always looked at communism as godless and destructive, we've always had a cleavage in our country between the anti-communists and the left. They used to call them anti-communists.
Starting point is 00:19:48 People who thought anti-communism was the obstacle between us and this new day, as you earlier mentioned, living in harmony in this universal world. where we would essentially converge. And this, of course, goes back to the ideology of Franklin Roosevelt, who actually saw convergence of the Free West and the communist system as an ideal. So we've essentially been doing that all this time. But now we're at a point where China has emerged. You're correct in saying that we weren't looking.
Starting point is 00:20:20 We were thinking that, oh, if China became capitalist, it would naturally become a friend. It would naturally become peace-loving. And, of course, we have seen that is a false narrative and did not happen. When we look at what... Forgive me, Diana. We're going to go to a break here. Okay, sure.
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Starting point is 00:22:20 Become acquainted with these seven incredible heroes and your life will be immeasurably richer. Order your copy of Seven More Men Today. For more info, go to my website, Eric Mataxis.com. We're back with Diana West in The Eric Metaxa show. Diana, right now, what do you see happening? And do you think it's gruesome to think it? But do you think that what my friend John Zmirak wrote is correct, that this Wuhan virus is in a way red China's Pearl Harbor, that they have struck the West through this virus?
Starting point is 00:23:09 I think that it is very true that it has been used at the very least. China has used Wuhan virus as a biological weapon against the world. And I say that regardless of whether it was released from their labs accidentally or on purpose, because once it was out, China did nothing to stop it going to the rest of the world. And indeed, the flights continued and the lies started. and the sort of ancillary agencies, the World Health Organization and so on, essentially covered for what was going on in China. And we're certainly passing along what China said as if it were fact. But the media, the mainstream media right now, and I have to say, I have never been quite as shocked and sickened as to see two days ago, the New York Times said that Trump is going to use,
Starting point is 00:24:05 China as the scapegoat in this. And I thought to myself, honestly, it's one thing to have a different point of view. But the idea that they're not culpable on a number of levels, it's a magnificent misreading of the situation. But this is, you know, above the fold New York Times, that's the creepiest thing to me is that our press, even things are this dramatic when it's like a war that they're siding with the, enemy. Well, that is very true. And this is when you start realizing what has been going on around us all of this time, not in terms of what's going on in Beijing, but what's going on in our own capital, in our own campuses, in our own media. I mean, the amount of money that is in play when China is
Starting point is 00:24:56 involved and the linkages back to Chinese research labs, back to Chinese military, I mean, go back to the Clinton years. We know for a fact that, It was Bill Clinton who exchanged campaign finance money coming from the Chinese military in exchange for declassification. Remember, Laurel, we had missile technology coming from the United States going into the Chinese military to a point where I believe it was said that before Clinton, the Chinese military could not have a missile hit the side of a barn. And after Clinton, we have a world-class military. I mean, this has been going on for quite some time. That is when the China ascended to the World Trade Organization, very important point that Bill Clinton was able to muster through.
Starting point is 00:25:42 So this has been going on for some decades in terms of this exchange. But now, as you note, our media is parodying Chinese propaganda. Part of the problem is that some of them, if we give them the benefit of the doubt, may not realize you cannot trust Communist Party mouthpieces. This is the point is that the left for some reason. has no sense of the existence of evil. And they think that when we say, no, no, no, they're actually lying and they have a culture of lying because they don't believe in truth.
Starting point is 00:26:14 The liberals don't really believe that. They want to believe the best in everyone, which to an extent is a good thing. But it's a bad thing when you really are dealing with someone who's evil, who does not believe even in good or evil. They simply believe in their own power and getting power and will do. what it takes to get it. Well, you're describing two kinds of motivations, right? There's the useful idiot, which is Lenin's phrase for that person who doesn't realize.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And then there are the actual agents of influence, the actual malign actors who are, who have our worst, you know, who have aggressive intent on our way of life or on our country. So what you are sort of describing is the old communist front. set up, which is essentially an organization, the majority of whom are perfectly well-meaning, ordinary people or people trying to do their job or advance a cause in good faith, who are essentially captive of a small or hardened cadre of organized actors who are either acting under Communist Party discipline in the case of a communist front, whether it's foreign or domestic. traditionally it has come from foreign capitals.
Starting point is 00:27:33 This is a major strategic asset of the communist infiltration of academia, government, theater, and the rest of it, using organizations where people don't actually realize necessarily that they are functionaries of a communist party back in Beijing or in Cuba or in Moscow and the rest of it. and we might look at certain organizations and appreciate them that way. I mean, this is why communist history, the history of infiltration and subversion in our own country, in Western societies, other Western countries, is so important to study because none of this is simply about what happens over there in faraway countries where a dictatorship has taken hold. It's about how they advance and subvert us from within. And this is something that we have never been instructed in in any sort of systematic way. And people who talk about it tend to be throughout history destroyed by those same voices coming from the left, who easily come up with, you know, run up the flag of conspiracy theory to shut a discussion down and make other. 30 seconds left in this segment.
Starting point is 00:28:44 I just have to ask you, when Nancy Pelosi sides with the World Health Organization over this president, And I must say, I am genuinely staggered. It's really just, it's as though we are in a civil war right now. Yes, I think we are. And I would say we've seen the same thing when Anthony Fauci from the NIH has also backstopped Dr. Tedros, not the medical doctor. He's not a medical doctor, but Dr. Tedros, the head of WHO. We see this inside our institutions, which are essentially globalistic in their agendas. We're going to a break.
Starting point is 00:29:23 We'll be right back with Diana West. Don't go away. We've heard of myself, but I tried to make it Sunday. Hey there, folks. Welcome back to the Erickman Taxi Show. I'm talking to Diana West. You get to listen. This is fun, Diana.
Starting point is 00:29:59 It's disturbing, but it's fun to hear the truth. And it's fun to talk to someone who actually can help us understand what is happening. You just said the Dr. Fauci backstop, as you put it, the doctor at who. It sounds like a cross between Dr. Seuss and a James Bond story, right? Right. The doctor at the WHO, the World Health Organization, that Fauci somehow backed him up. I have to say, from what little I saw, the guy who's the head of WHO and someone else at WHO,
Starting point is 00:30:38 they were, to say they were apologists for China is an understatement. I've never seen anything like it. And it seems to me that the plug should have been pulled instantly on funding for WHO. So Trump's willingness to see this and to do this, I can't imagine him at this point not doing it. But you're telling me that Fauci doesn't get this? I think Fauci is, I think he does get it. I mean, in the sense that I think that the institutional mindset of the National Institutes of Health and what you might think of as the medical establishment, just as our political establishment,
Starting point is 00:31:22 just as our academic establishment has a mindset, they share a mindset, which has to do with this globalist ideal, where nations fade away and we end up with the whole global elite, government by elites. It's the deep state. Let's call it the deep state. It's the bureaucrat and the globalists. But you're telling me for Fauci to be that naive,
Starting point is 00:31:47 in other words, we're talking about basic stuff here. China, it seems, tell me if I'm missing something. They created this in a lab, whether inadvertently or vertently. It escaped from the lab. They lied about it. As a result of lying about it, thousands and thousands of people are dead. Billions, maybe trillions in wealth have been destroyed.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Right. This is as close to an act of war as anything I've ever heard of. What am I missing? Well, everything you said is correct. It's so much larger than that. It's so much worse than that, I hate to say, in the sense that. that we look at the just devastation of every nation's economy, which of course isn't just a matter of dollars and cents on a balance sheet.
Starting point is 00:32:43 It's people's lives. It's people's health. It's people's world. I mean, it's everything about what makes us human has been essentially stripped from us. In our own country, our Bill of Rights has been completely nullified in this emergency, quote, unquote. But getting back to the notion of disinformation and who is speaking, spreading it. The WHO is spreading it. We've seen the NIH people essentially confirm. I mean, they'll play a game a bit, but we've seen the backstopping, as I originally said. However,
Starting point is 00:33:13 we're also seeing the reliance on all kinds of the models. We've all looked at the models and seen how inaccurate they are. But why were they so inaccurate? Look at the Imperial College modeling that came out of London that predicted 2.2 million American deaths, 500,000 British deaths. that was radically scaled down to, I believe, 60,000 British deaths. I don't know where it is at this point. I imagine it's gone lower still. The Imperial College of London has a very close working relationship with Beijing. If you go to their website, you can find it.
Starting point is 00:33:47 You can see the meetings with actually Chairman Xi, the dictator of China. I mean, they have a close working relationship there. We see academics who are now calling it a conspiracy theory to think that the Wuhan virus came out of a Wuhan life. lab or a lab anywhere even. They made it that blanket. Did not come out of a lab is what the mainstream media and- So let's leap out here and establish that in fact, they are anti-science. They are anti-yes. And I've actually- seriously. I have decided that scientists in this, of this ilk should actually be called political scientists. I don't think that the term really applies as well
Starting point is 00:34:26 to philosophers of governance any longer. They are political as much as they are scientific. And think their politics trumps their science. Look, for example, there was, I was actually just writing about this. There's a New York Times science writer with all the right politics, so we could call him a political science writer named Carl Zimmer. And he was tweeting the statement. It was really a press release, but they called it a statement by an Australian virologist whose name was, I believe, Professor Edward Holmes at University of Sydney, as a debunker
Starting point is 00:35:00 of conspiracy theory. This was the great crowning by the New York Times of the scientist. And I read his statement. It was press release saying no evidence. It came from a lab, period, nothing else. But I was curious about this man, Edward Holmes. I looked at his CV, which was on the University of Sydney website, and he had a lot of august appointments and this and that, and very learned, of course. And in the middle of it, you see that he actually has an affiliation with the Chinese CDC. And And he's an honorary visiting professor at a Chinese university in Shanghai. Now, the point of this is that this is not a, given what we are, the situation we are in, this is not a nonpartisan scientific appraisal of a scientific problem. It is somebody who is colluding or collaborating in the basic sense of the world with Chinese science.
Starting point is 00:35:54 So this person cannot be trusted to be giving a nonpartisan opinion of where this virus came. certainly when he's not offering any particular science about it, it's just muscling his expertise into the Twitter sphere amplified by the New York Times science writer. And we're supposed to say, oh, that must be true then. But the thing that just happened, which is rather exciting, is that a French scientist, a virologist by the name of Luke Montagnier, who discovered HIV in 1983 and won the Nobel Prize for medicine in 2008. He has just come out and said that he's looked at everything that he can.
Starting point is 00:36:36 And his determination is that it had to come from a lab. The virus, the coronavirus, the Wuhan flu, it had to come out of a lab because of an insertion of a little bit of HIV sequencing inside the coronavirus sequencing. He says that cannot happen in nature. And so he has now taken his tremendous reputation and put it. out there. And when he was asked about it, he said, I think this is the most important part of what he said, really. He said, I am a Nobel Prize winner. I am free. I have no pressure on me. I can speak. Yes, if he hadn't won the Nobel Prize, maybe he'd shut up and let the world go to hell so he could get his prize. But thankfully, he has the prize. We're going to be right back talking to Diana West. You wouldn't go away. So I won't even tell you not. Hey folks, before we get back to Diana West, and we're also talking to Ryan Tucker today, I've just got to say, again, I said it in the opener, today is Hitler's birthday.
Starting point is 00:37:49 And the only reason I'm bringing that up is because yesterday I went jogging past Abyssinian Baptist Church, where one of Hitler's greatest enemies, Dietrich Bonhoeff, used to attend. You can see my video on Twitter and on my Instagram. account, but actually, no, the reason I'm mentioning it is because this is five years we've been doing the show as of today. So happy birthday to us, not to the furor. Let's be very clear. Yeah, if Hitler showed up at Chequette cheese today, he qualified for some free tokens, maybe some... What are you really? Yeah. We... Okay, so I just want to say in a few seconds we have here.
Starting point is 00:38:35 We have some sponsors that we care about very much. I would like to think it's not true, but it is true. They're probably going through a very tough time right now. So I wanted to kind of specially thank them, the folks at Relief Factor, who are the same people behind Honor-Bound Coffee, and Mike Lindell, who, of course, is behind Mypillow. actually you know what let's can we play the video of what mike lindel my hero mike lindell said at sure house a few weeks ago the the press went nuts yeah i was eating it up for the school gave us grace on november 8 2016 to change the course we were on god had been taken out of
Starting point is 00:39:23 our schools and lives a nation it turned his back on god and i encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the word, read our Bibles and spend time with our families. Our president gave us so much hope. We just a few short months ago. We had the best economy, the lowest unemployment and wages going up. It was amazing. With our great president, vice president, and this administration and all the great people in this country praying daily, we will get through this and get back to a place that's
Starting point is 00:39:54 stronger and safer than ever. Wow. Wow, what a bigot. I cannot believe that they let him say that at the White House. What's going on? He's just preaching hate. Why? Hate and division.
Starting point is 00:40:09 What a monster. You can see why Christians are against him. You can see that. That guy, listen, we need a hundred more Mike Lindell's in every town across America. But the reason I want to play that is he got such pushback on that. And I said, I want to play that as often as I can because that guy's my hero. And today's a good day to play it because I want to exhort you to support our sponsors. Number one, sponsor, MyPillow.com.
Starting point is 00:40:36 I think I've said it, oh, perhaps once or twice, that if you go to MyPillow.com, you get our whopping super 70s, groovy disco discount. It's huge. It's up to 60% or even more on some products. But go to MyPillow.com, put in the code Eric or Metaxus. But just as a way to thank Mike Lindell, if you're ever going to buy you. towels or pillows or pet pillows or body pillows or whatever it is that they have. They've got all kinds of.
Starting point is 00:41:03 Now they have flannel sheets just in time for summer. They've got flannel sheets. They've got everything there. But if you're thinking of purchasing anything from them, do it now because you know they're taking a hit. And it's mypillow.com, but you have to use the code Eric or Metaxus. And then our friends at honor bound coffee, which I love and drink this morning. We've got to ask them to make some mugs.
Starting point is 00:41:26 I have an honor bound coffee mug, which they sent me as an official, you know, because they're a sponsor on the program. But we've got to ask them if they're going to be able to sell those. But honorbound coffee, if you go to honorbound coffee. If you go to honorbound coffee.com, every penny that they make, and this is the relief factor people, same people. Every penny they make from honor bound coffee goes to support the military families. Families in America. Think about that. All of their profits.
Starting point is 00:41:56 all of their profit. 100% goes to support military families in America. Folks, honorbound coffee.com, my pillow.com. These folks are heroes. Please support them at this time. Oh, and whatever you do, do not forget to see no safe spaces. Fantastic movie, no safespaces.com. You got to go there, nosafspaces.com, and use the code save 25.

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