The Eric Metaxas Show - Dinesh D'Souza (Encore)

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

Dinesh D'Souza has a new film "Vindicating Trump". Buy tickets now at: https://vindicatingtrump.com/†

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Hey, why don't you just stay right here? Because you found Eric Matt, Texas. Hey, folks. I'm excited right now because I get a few minutes to talk to my friend Roger Kimball of the new Criterion about a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff. For example, I want to talk to you about Greek wine. You wrote an article about Greek wine. I want to talk to you about Greece.

But first I want to talk to you about the other. day, I mentioned that I worked Turner Classic movies, and I watched a film called Libeled Lady, 1936, with Mernaloy, William Powell, Spencer Tracy, and Gene Harlow. Yes. And I mentioned it

to you, and you know the film. It's a brilliant film. I recommend it to everyone. I'm a great fan of Mernaloy and William Powell. It's an hilarious film, actually. It's and if you like trout fishing, that plays an important roll. But the trout fishing sequence was, I thought, the dumbest thing in the film.

It's deliciously dumb, though. Yeah. No, of course, of course. But it was, well, I love old films, probably for some of the reasons you do, too, that they, first of all, just the way people dress. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Well, you know, this is a very interesting thing. You should mention that, Eric, because people talk about the destructive nature of the 1960s, and it certainly was very destructive. Talk about how they took over the universities. They insinuated a radical left-wing politics into it. How the same thing happened with the radicalism in our politics, just in general. But something that I don't think has gotten quite as much attention as it should is what it's done to manners.

You know, Edmund Burke was right when he said that manners and morals are much more important than the law in the following way. because manners and morals touch us everywhere. And whereas law, at least it used to be the case, only touched us very rarely. But they dress beautifully, they spoke beautifully, they had good manners in these old films, and that was a sign of a respect that they showed not only for each other, but for our culture.

You know, the Polonius, you know, in his little speech, to Laertes. You know, he says, you should be careful. Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy. You know, for,

how does it go? Cost of the heaps they purse could buy for the apparel off proclaims the man. And they in France are the best rank in station

of a most select and generous chief in that. You know, rich, not gaudy, but you should be well dressed. And I think that's what we get the phrase from Shakespeare Clothing makes the man.

Yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. So there's a lot of, actually there's a lot of wisdom in that speech of Polonius. People try to make fun of Polonius, and he is in some ways a windbag, but a lot of good things. Well, watching a film like the one we just mentioned, The Liable Lady, it's just astonishing that whenever they show, just the way they live, they're always, I mean, I'm not wearing a tie right now.

They just are so turned out. It's so beautiful to just, this is what the men are wearing. the women gorgeous, just really beautiful. But it was a really fun, crazy film, a screwball comedy, rapid fire dialogue. And there are many others that they did together. I recommend them all, but that is one of the very best. Yeah. Well, we'll have to talk about film another time.

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But you wrote something about Greek wine. Right. And I thought I have to ask. Where was that published? Okay. So I write a regular wine column for the Spectator World, which is the American. edition of The Spectator in London, and they share some content and so on. It's the world's oldest magazine, actually. But the American edition has been going on now for, I don't know,

five or six years, but I write a monthly wine column for them. I didn't realize that you were an enophile. I'm definitely an enophile. I did not know that you were an enophile. Now I realize you are. And you, in the article about Greek wine, we don't have a lot of time, but that's another thing we can talk about another time. But I just thought that the one thing that you mentioned that just stopped me, because I ought to know this, Homer innumerable times refers to the wine dark sea. Yes. You say that in the Homeric Greek, it's not necessarily the wine dark. You just make some points there. I thought, I've got to get you to talk about. The phrase, The word for wine in Greek is oinos, right?

And pontos is the word for C. The phrase, its little epithet in Homer, is oinops, pontos. And so it's wine plus the word opses, which means eye, optics. Yes, or face. So really a more literal translation would be the wine-faced see or the wine-eyed see. Well, I would say, maybe I'm wrong. but maybe it's the wine appearing sea.

Isn't the idea that the sea looks like wine? That's possible. Isn't that it? That's another possibility. I've often seen it as wine-faced. Yeah. Well, but I mean, it depends how we take the term faced, what that means. But when you say this, you also make the point, which I found astonishing, and I still can't

believe it, that in the ancient world, or at least in the 7th century, 8th century, BC, whenever Homer wrote this, that they didn't have a clear view of color the way we do and that they would not have had a word for blue? That is an argument. I think I said in that article. It's one of the things I'm not required to have an opinion about, so I don't. So William Gladstone, the British Prime Minister, was also an accomplished classist. And he wrote about this.

His idea was that they did not have words for hue as we do, so blue and red and so they had words for intensity of colors. That's so bizarre. Absent a time machine, we don't know. But it is kind of interesting. And, you know, I think a lot of people unfairly disparaged Greek wine. I once sailed up from Rhodes to Bodrum, and it's many years ago now. with some friends. And the Greek wine we had was not particularly good, but there is some really good Greek wine, especially from places like Santorini, right north of Crete.

I have to say that I know a little bit about this because my cousin Yangos, for many years, ran a winery on our family property. And the grape, it is Gephalonia, Cephalonia, one of the Ionian islands. And the grape there, it's Robola wine, which is native only to cephalonia. And it's a white. Yes. It's one of the complications of Greek wine. There are more than 350 indigenous grape varieties. Plus, they've imported a lot of things from Europe, like, you know, Cabernet and stuff like that.

So it's, you know, every place, it's a very complicated thing. And there's some really good Greek wine. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. It's a new world. And you say in the article that, you know, not many years ago, Greek wine was like Ritzina, which is basically not great. It just tastes like, I don't know.

Well, it's like pine pitch, you know, because it's sealed. The jars are sealed with that. A friend of mine said that he would rather look at Christmas trees than drink them. Right. Right. That was the line. Well, anyway, Ritzina, which actually can be great. I had some recently.

There's a restaurant in Astoria, which is where I was born. and if you want good Greek food, but I think it's called Agnanti, and they had two kinds of ratina, and John Zmirak and I were there, and it was the best ratina I have ever had. I thought this is amazing. But just to the point, it was out of time here, but Greek wine has become very sophisticated. Yes, it does. I mean, my cousin, as I said, for years, had a, you know, very sophisticated winery. I was just amazing, small winery, but it's interesting.

Now, people want to read you on wine. What's the website? It's Spectator World. I think it's SpectatorUS.com. Okay. Well, anyway. It's easy to find. Roger, Kimball, Spectator, wine, you'll find it.

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Listen, we didn't really plan this that Trump would have been somebody tried to kill him yesterday. We never planned that when we booked this interview. We're here to talk about Trump. We're here to talk about your film and your book, vindicating Trump. I'm very excited about that, I have to tell you. But most Americans are trying to process what happened yesterday. I was processing it in my intro a few moments ago. Can there be any doubt?

that the deep state, that someone is behind this? I mean, it makes no sense that some weird dude would know where Trump would be. You and I don't know where Trump is. They're not sharing this information. If I said, oh, I'd like to murder Trump. Let me see if I can find out where he is. There's no way to find that out. How did this guy get this information?

What is actually happening? I agree that there must be something bigger that is underfoot or underway here. I mean, that seemed even obvious with the first assassination because the incompetence, so-called, was so extreme and at so many different levels that even government, which is notorious for incompetence, doesn't usually reach that level. And by that level, I mean where people, in the crowd are saying, hey, there's a guy on the roof. He's got camouflage. He's got a weapon. He's got a backpack. And yet they don't even take Trump off the stage. So that alone raised a lot of questions, but I think many of us set them aside. And now, of course, those questions become resurrected. One thing I think we can say for sure, this poisonous atmosphere of accusing Trump of being an autocrat, a Caesar, a Napoleon, a Hitler, creates the logical.

foundation for these assassination attempts. Because, again, in fact, it's kind of odd because Tim Walts and Kamala Harris today are like, you know, we wish Trump the best and there's no room for political violence. And I'm thinking, well, if Trump really is Hitler circa 1933, your only regret should be that this guy missed. It shouldn't be that you wish that you're disavowing political violence. So there's a sort of creepy incoherence here. It's almost like the left eggs this stuff on and then pretends like it has nothing to do with it when it actually is carried out. I don't know if you saw Lester Holt of NBC News. I mean, this is so despicable, implied that the rhetoric of J.D. Vance and Trump is responsible for this. It is astonishing to me. So when the media is telling Trump, hey, you need to tone it down, I think he needs to tone it up.

When they're trying to shoot bullets through your head to murder you, they're trying to murder America. They're trying to kill Lady Liberty and Uncle Sam. You need to ratchet it up and point the finger back and say, what is going on here? Is there any doubt that Tim Walsh and Kamala Harris would have been thrilled if either of these things would have worked? I mean, I don't see any doubt. They have to say what they're saying. But does anybody believe it? the level of nastiness coming from them is extraordinary.

Well, they're the ones who say that he is a mortal, an existential threat to democracy. So you have to think that if he is removed from the scene, then from their point of view, the existential threat doesn't exist anymore. Or here's the other possibility. They know he's not a threat to democracy. They know that he's not an existential threat. This is just a poisonous rhetoric that they have been advancing. And the insincerity of these charges is now exposed because they're now, you know,

pulling back from it. So one thing I do in this film, Eric, is try to bring out the Trump that you and I have actually seen up close, but that isn't often seen on the public stage. There's a certain part of Trump's personality that doesn't like to show vulnerability, that doesn't engage in introspection. Now, Trump does do these things in private, but he doesn't do them in public. I remember when Dr. Phil tried to interview him, he tried to, you know, psychologist Trump, how did it make you feel?

And Trump just wouldn't go there. But I have a one-on-one with Trump in this film that's the centerpiece of the film. It's very unique. And I get Trump to bring out that, sort of the real Donald Trump, so to speak, that is often a bit elusive in some of the interviews I've seen. What made you decide to make the film vindicating Trump? In other words, what's the thesis behind it? The thesis behind it is sort of two.

One is that unlike Reagan, who would step forward and go, here's the case for me. Here's why you should vote for me. Seven reasons. Trump doesn't do that. He puts himself on exhibit, but he doesn't actually make the case for himself. So I want to do that, and I do it in a book, and I do it in this movie. The second thing is that there's a fairly large number of people, even in the Republican camp, certainly in the Christian camp, who say things like this.

I don't like the guy, but I like his policies. Or I just wish he would keep his mouth shut. What they're getting at is they want a different Trump. They want to rehabilitate Trump. They want to remake Trump. And my argument is that, no, in this time and in this crisis that we face as a country, we need Trump as is. We don't need Trump remade in the image of Paul Ryan or remade in the image of Mitt Romney or even remade in the image of Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz. Trump's qualities are peculiarly well-suited to the challenges we face.

is an unapologetic and I would say unqualified defense of Trump. And I think it's going to shake a lot of people up. So I know there's a website vindicatingtrump.com. The film will be out soon. And there's a book coming out as well in which I'm sure you go into much more detail than you can in the film. Yeah, the book is a more, you know, it's a systematic, it's a legal argument, it's got footnotes and references and so on. The film is highly entertaining and moving. And so films and books do two different things. I would say by and large, a book is an intellectual narrative. A film contains intellectual points, but it's ultimately a story.

A film is an entertainment. And I make my films for the big screen. By the way, it's important for people to know that if you can see this film, go see it in the theater, and go see it opening weekend. It makes a huge difference to the future of a film to do well in the opening weekend, because that's how you expand to more theater. So our ticket sales will be up in a couple of days, vindicating Trump, You can see the trailer there now.

You can sign up for email updates. You can pre-order the book. When will it be in theaters? It opens nationwide on September 27th. And unlike the last couple of films, which we released in a post-COVID environment, we bought out theaters. And so we only had screenings on a couple of days. This is a normal theatrical opening.

It'll be, you know, multiple showings per day. So there's no excuse not to see it. And if you can see it, the weekend of September 27th, make plans to do that now. And I say this to everybody, folks, you need to do this. The Reagan film, which is amazing. I say to people, you've got to see it in the theater. This weekend, for example, it's not competing with vindicating Trump. Go see the Reagan film.

When a film like this comes out, folks, you have an obligation to support it. So we've got our next two weekends lined up in case he didn't see Reagan this weekend, vindicating Trump the following weekend. And it is very important that these folks are. films open big, very, very important. Dinesh, I just have to say we're living through so much. Every week, it's a dizzying thing. First, we have the first assassination attempt on Trump.

Then we have the debate. Then we have Biden being forced out of the race. It's a kind of madness. We've never lived through anything like this. And in that same category of gigantic news, RFK Jr. endorsing Donald Trump. Elon Musk endorsing Donald Trump. Tulsi Gabbard endorsing Donald Trump.

We are living in a new day. That's why Trump is unique, the case you make in vindicating Trump. There is no one like Trump who could pull together a coalition as he has done. You know, when I think about this, and this is a theme I discussed in the book and the film, Lincoln, when he was a young man in his Lyceum speech, predicted that there will come a time. And Lincoln suggested it might be in his own time, but I think it's prophetic for our time, when the Republic itself will be threatened. And Lincoln says it'll be threatened by the outbreak of mass lawlessness with a tyrannical

Caesar or Napoleon exploiting that lawlessness. Now, of course, the left goes, well, yeah, of course, that's Trump. He's the tyrant. He's the autocrat. And so one of the themes in this film is, who is the real autocrat? Is it Trump? Is Trump the creator of the division and the chaos? Or did the division and the chaos create him?

In other words, is Trump a necessary response to a tyrannical regime that is now emerging and has become consolidated in our country, really starting with Obama and over the last several years? I think you're quite right. And again, the gaslighting on the left, the idea. that Trump is a quote-unquote threat to democracy. It is a cliche and a lie from the pit of hell because when you ask for people to back it up, what can they say?

What did Trump do? Did he imprison his political opponents? Oh, no, no, no. The left did that. They did it to you. They did it to other friends of mine. That's what the left does. That's what fascists do.

That's what people do who are a genuine threat to democracy. So we're seeing a kind of madness. folks, I'm talking to Dinesh D'Souza. Brand new film Vindicating Trump. Go to the website, VindicatingTrump.com. We'll be right back more with Dinesh DeSouza. We'll meet I know we'll meet beyond the shore. We'll kiss just that before.

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a candidate for president should happen is very disturbing. And I can't help but think that there are bad actors behind this, that this is not just incompetence. And my prayer is that God would reveal who has been behind this. We've spent over 60 years trying to find out who was behind the murder of JFK. Who was behind the murder of RFK? It wasn't Sirhan, Sirhan, and Lee Harvey Oswald. Who was behind it?

We still don't quite know. It seems to me that the advent of Trump, as you say, there's something about him uniquely that he is bringing exposure to what we now call the deep state, the military industrial complex, and that those within that deep state who've been hidden for these decades are very, very angry at him, particularly and at anyone, such as you or me, who would defend him. You know, there are a couple of other dimensions that are worth bringing out here.

One is look at the way in which the media is trying to downplay now two assassinations. Like, let's move on. It's no big deal. nothing to worry about here, guys. There's nothing abnormal. That alone shows you that our media has gone from bias. I mean, there's been bias, as you know, going back to the Reagan era. But the media didn't downplay the Hinkley attempted assassination of Reagan. That was huge news all over the place. So we see the way in which the media has gone into a full propaganda mode. And by the way, this italicizes the importance of a film as an alternative medium. Because after all, what is a film opening in hundreds of if not a thousand or more theaters. It's an end run around the media. So this is a way to get information unfiltered, unrefracted. That's the first point I want to make.

And the second is look at Trump's reaction to both assassination attempts. With the second one, all we know is when Trump realizes that the guy's been caught, he wants to complete his golf game. I mean, this is a kind of a guy with a level of sort of courage and metal that I think is unrivaled, not just on the scene now, but perhaps even ever. Look at his instinctive reaction to the last assassination attempt. I mean, that's not something you can rehearse. The idea that you have these shots firing multiple shots, you don't know if there are other

shooters, you essentially wrestle yourself free from the Secret Service, pull yourself up to full height and say fight, fight, fight, fight. I mean, that is a very abnormal reaction, and I think it explains why the left targets this man and really this man alone, because other Republicans are just not made of this stuff. I mean, who would want to assassinate Paul Ryan or Romney? I mean, what would be the point? So my point is, and this is maybe an odd thing to say, Eric, but assassination is the sincerest form of flattery, right? If someone targets you for assassination, you must be a very scary guy. and Trump is.

That is a lapidary phrase. If ever I have heard one, assassination is the sincerest form of flattery. Dinesh, you get credit for that. That's extraordinary because it's so true. It is obvious that many people despise this man so much because he is a threat, a unique unprecedented threat to their power in the way that a Jeb Bush or anyone else,

my goodness, when we think of Mitt Romney or John McCain, they never began to threaten what Trump threatens. And it's not like he really set out to threaten it. He just was kind of, he just stumbled into it. He thought, okay, I have some solutions and we'll play with both sides and I'll put people in my cabinet, you know, who are, you know, within the government, whatever, having no clue in 2016 that many of these people were arrayed against him. They pursued. that his agenda was at war with their own power. And so Trump kind of stumbled into this by the grace of God and more and more exposed the evil because they couldn't help themselves. They just went after him in a way that caused him instinctively to go after them. And when somebody

punches him, he punches back. And so we're where we are today? You know, the analogy to Lincoln is unavoidable here. Think of it this way. If the South had not attacked Fort Sumter in 1860, they could have kept slavery for 30 years or more. In fact, Lincoln had said, I'm not going to interfere with slavery in the South. I'm only going to stop it from expanding further. And so there was no threat to slavery in the entire south of the Mason-Dixon line. And yet, by provoking the war, what?

did the South do, but bring about the end of the very institution that the Democratic South wanted to protect. And similarly with Trump, the aggravation, the fear, the hatred, the loathing that he inspired in these people brought out their true nature and exposed it for a lot of us to see. I thought when Trump first came on the scene, that some of his rhetoric was like over the top. I thought, well, he's an outsider. He's saying these things about the swamp and so on. But if anything Trump underestimated, just as you said, the depth and the pollution and the feted nature of the swamp, but I think he now knows, and I think he's now ready for it. Oh, I mean, I think there's no doubt that he, throughout his first term, more and more saw

what he was up against. And by the time that first term ended, he was quite a different person. But what happened since then, in the four years since then, has made it that much more dramatically clear so that Trump today, having been tried to be killed twice, having Mara Lago rated, all of this lawfare, I mean, a level of evil that no one has ever seen, he is, he's quite a different man. He understands that they are absolutely out to get him. Folks, we're talking to Tenechtesuza. The new film Vindicating Trump, the website VindicatingTrump.com will be right back.

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Folks, welcome back talking to Dennis D'Souza. The new film is Vindicating Trump. Dinesh, you compare Trump to Lincoln. I find myself saying over and over in my own speeches and in my new book, Religinalist Christianity, that were in the third existential crisis of our history. The first was the revolution led by George Washington, principally. The second, of course, the Civil War with Lincoln. We are now in our third existential crisis.

crisis. If we lose, we lose everything. It's not like the Korean War, the Spanish-American war. If we lose now, we lose the nation. And I think that more people are waking up to that every single day. And Trump, as you say in the book and the film, is a unique figure for such a time as this. There are very few people who are alive to the existential threat in the way that he now is. Yeah, both in the book and in the film, I begin with a sort of enigma, and that is that here is this man, Trump, and he produces, he evokes radically opposed reactions. Right now, to some degree, this is true of every presidential candidate, they have supporters, they have critics, but the level of division, I mean, Trump's got people who will take a bullet for him, and then he's got people who will cheer when somebody else tries to put a bullet in him. So that's the extremes. And you have to go all the way back to Lincoln to find a figure who is as divisive as Trump.

And yet here's a key difference. With Lincoln, the division was really not about the man. It was over slavery. It was over the issue. But with Trump, it is over the man. And so the question that we have to look at is, what is it about Trump that produces this reaction? Who are the people who feel this way? Why do they say the things that they do about him?

In my interview with Trump, I pose this question to him. I say, look, they keep accusing you of doing an insurrection and calling for an insurrection. And you didn't call for an insurrection. But guess what? Had you called for one, there would have been one. And there will be one if you call for one now. And Trump's reaction to this is like worth the price of the movie.

Because Trump has never been asked this question. And so he opens up in a way that's very uncharacteristic at some level of him. and he becomes reflective about this idea that he is a man of sort of Caesar dimensions, even if he doesn't want to use his power in the manner of a Caesar. Well, that's what's so extraordinary is that though his detractors make him out to be some authoritarian monster. And there is absolutely zero logic for that. I mean, he was in power. He never did anything.

that even would indicate he had such tendencies. And yet, you're quite right. He is the sort of figure who, if he wanted to, could. But, I mean, his people, you and me and others, we would be against that. He would be against that. This is the irony. In other words, that he has, he's inspired, he's such an inspiring figure. He inspires love and devotion in so many in hate and ultimately violence in others.

But he would never do that. he loves this country too much. So all they can do is try to paint him as an autocrat. And they will continue to do it and they continue to do it. It's extraordinary. The media is complicit as to kind of word. And you mentioned that earlier. You must have seen what I saw in 2016. The media changed very dramatically. They'd always been left leaning. But at some point, even on the pages of the New York Times, they basically said, we're going to be different now. We're not going to do traditional journalism. That's bled throughout the mainstream media. So without the media doing its job, it is almost impossible to keep the republic. What gives you a sense that we have any hope?

Well, I think that we have a long-term challenge, and that is to create alternative media, because I think the media has now reached the same point that a lot of universities have reached. They're irretrievable. They can't be reformed. The idea that we will somehow take back these institutions is illusory. We just have to reduce their impact, teach people not to believe them, teach people to believe the exact opposite of what you see on ABC or you see on PBS. So that's one of the points. I've puzzled over why what it is about Trump that caused this shift where all, so many people who were his superfans, became his deadly enemies. Is it simply the Trump ran? Is it simply that he became a Republican? I think it's actually more than that.

And I've been reflecting on one of the opening scenes of the film, which is the classic scene, Trump coming down the escalator at Trump Tower. Now, think of it this way. There's an elite power center in American politics, and that's represented by the top of the escalator. Trump is literally descending in the escalator to sort of join the American people against this establishment. So you see here that Trump is essentially saying I'm going to give up my old life in which I was, cool. I was on Ellen, I was on Oprah. Everybody thought I was great. I'm going to sort of leave that fold. And then from then you can see the mounting rage, the sense of treason on the part of the people who are at the top of the escalator, so to speak, because they see Trump's act as one

of supreme betrayal. And I think right there in a little nutshell, you begin to see not only why Trump supporters sort of are so attached to him, because they recognize that he joined. And I think, their team. He's speaking for them. And at the same time, you can see a little bit the sheer apoplectic rage of the establishment that sees Trump as the ultimate sellout. That's really beautiful, Dinesh. And I think it really sums up the hatred of those same people toward you or toward me. You know, we're supposed to, if you go to Dartmouth or Yale and you write for the places that we've written for, you're supposed to behave a certain way. You're supposed to be David French or David Brooks or Russell Moore.

You're supposed to want to be published in the Atlantic or in the New York Times, which both of us have been. But we no longer want to be because we realize that those institutions have gone over to the dark side. We no longer want anything to do with them because we see what is happening in America. And so it is enraging to them. So it is really a fight between the little guy and the globalist elites who hate the little guy, who pretended to be for the little guy, but who always hated him. And now it's out in the open. We'll have you back soon.

Congratulations again on the film. Folks, go to the website vindicatingtrump.com. And in two weekends, it will open in theaters. You are obliged to get a ticket and to see it, folks. This is very, very important. You can go to the website right now, Vindicat. Trump.com. Dinesh, thank you, and congratulations.

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bicycle you have to tell. No, seriously, like this is, there's a lot of people that when you, when you look into this, you're going to say, I think we could do this. It's reasonable. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's, that's the, that's the joy. Um, uh, another thing. tonight, no, tomorrow night. Tomorrow night, I'm doing something called the Bonhofer Circle. If you want to join that, we're going to host a quarterly video call with me answering your questions to talk about, you know, courage in the face of evil and what do we do now? To join that group, you have to go.

I don't have the link here. Well, go to the Socrates in the city website and to join the Bonhofer Circle. I just want to remind you that there's a lot involved screenings of the Bonhofer film that's coming out. A lot of stuff. Go to Socratesin the city.com for that. I also want to say that, you know, when you look at the lunacy around us, if you're not thinking about homeschooling your kids or at least getting your kids involved, involved in quality K-12, Christ-centered education.

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And then before we go for sure, check out our friends. at the Heritage Foundation, they are the ones behind the dreaded Project 2025 that Kamala Harris and others are trying to scare people in thinking, Trump is going to enact what's in Project 2025. That would be the greatest thing ever if he did. But it's the Heritage Foundation. Yeah. But it's the Heritage Foundation that's behind it, not Donald Trump in his campaign.

It's the Heritage Foundation that's trying to get the folks on the Trump team to do what they're suggesting in Project 2025. And by God's grace, he will get in and he will do it. If you want to find out what's in that, go to 25truth.com. 25truth.com. Find out what's scaring all of the crazies. 25truth.com. God bless you today.

Eric, can you do one pickup on Bonhoeffer Circle? To join the Bonhofer Circle, go to Ericbataxis.com slash circle. That's a shortcut.