The Eric Metaxas Show - Dinesh D’Souza – The Dragon’s Prophecy

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Dinesh D’Souza introduces The Dragon’s Prophecy, the powerful new film based on Jonathan Cahn’s international bestseller. With dramatic footage, biblical archeology, and interviews with world leaders, the film reveals October 7 as a prophetic echo of ancient battles—and asks whether we are now living in the End Times. Tickets on sale Sept 15, streaming on SalemNow Oct. 9

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Welcome back. I'm talking to Mel Kay. We're talking about everything, Mel. We're talking about everything. This is a lot of stuff here. And I want to frame it for my audience because we're most in my audience are new to you and to these ideas. I want to ask again, what do you suppose it was about JFK and Donald Trump that was willing to go to war with these dark forces, these internationalists, these globalists that are themselves at war. with the founder's vision of the United States of America,

which I as a Christian believe is God's idea, the idea that a free people would exist in a sovereign nation to govern themselves. That, to me, it comes right out of the Bible. That's God's idea in history. It emerges for the first time in the history of the world in 1776. Ben Franklin, of course, says this is a republic. If you can keep it, this is not something that will just, you know,

be fine by itself. You have to be vigilant. And over the years, as you've been outlining, people lose focus. They forget that people have had to die so that we could be free and not controlled by others. And we get to a point, obviously, through the 20th century and now until the 21st, where we have drifted so far from this. We were on the verge in the last few years of losing it forever. And we're still in this war. but what do you suppose would animate somebody like a JFK to care about this to say,

I want to take this down? Well, first, I think God, these are men that believe in God and believe in truth and believe in justice. They both also believed that auto determination of the people was not only possible, it was better than anything else. I also believe that both of these men were targeted by now, now this is a step back, because who is the war against? I have come to believe in what I'm working on. I'm working on a new book based on JFK's speech.

I'm tentatively calling it infiltration instead of invasion. I think both of these men, I also believe that other people, including late in the game, Eisenhower, Reagan at some point. A lot of people realize that I firmly believe that the Dulles brothers created the CIA to protect the banks. not the United States of America, and to ensure that the banks controlled everything. And the relationship between the Doless brothers and the Rockefeller brothers,

really, if you trace it back to Germany, and McKittrick, who was a banker as well and a lawyer from New York, that was running the Switzerland Bank of International settlements during World War II, you will see that the apparatus and the CIA was built in tandem with Wall Street. and the banking system. Now, if you also look around the world where all of our bases are, 800 bases, you will find that the protection in those areas happens to be near the central banks of those nations that are controlled by the Bank of International Settlements,

which is a completely opaque immune entity that controls the banking system of the world as of right now. I believe that that entity that was created, I call it the international banking cartel, is not just the enemy of the United States. I believe that it is also the enemy of Russia and of China and of India and of Saudi Arabia and of a lot of these countries. And I believe that Donald Trump in his first term, despite what they tried, and believe me, if we understand what I'm talking about and then look at why they had to get rid of Trump and he was not allowed to have detaunt with Putin or look into. the truth about Ukraine, what was going on is that the same people, and you know, you can, you can call them the Chatham House and Council Foreign Relations, which of course was a hub for the Dolos brothers and the Rockefellers for many, many years. And also, which are the

British and the U.S. contingency, I believe, that believe that we are one in the same with England, the United States, basically that we are not separate. from Europe. The Trilateral Commission, same thing, another Rockefeller project run by Brzezinski. You know, you can look at Kissinger. All of these people we were told were heroes after World War II were really working on solidifying a one world top-down control grid using the banking system that then funded what? The tech companies through Incutel and other things, which is a CIA hedge fund, and DARPA. And DARPA. And, all of these. Now, we also have a situation which is dangerous where we are aligned in every way

at this point. And I agree with you. First of all, both Bushes, Prescott Bush first, but both Bushes, Clinton and Obama and the Autopin president are all aware of the entire game. Obama signed us on to Agenda 2030 in 2015 without telling or even mentioning as they pushed all this globalism, that the Agenda 2030 is a nation-state ending plan. It is a plan that says global problems can only be solved by global governance, which the mechanism to global governance is technocracy. And the technology that was funded post-World War II was all about global surveillance. So when we're looking at, you know, today, and I just want to jump back because I want your audience to look up what Grassley is doing with Malay in Switzerland right now, because UBS that is running the investigation

into Credit Suisse put out a press release recently. This is all going on since Trump got back in office behind the scenes, that once the report comes out from Grassley's office, that our understanding of World War II and post-World War II financial, global financial system will blow people's minds. this is what I believe that is about. And I believe Donald Trump is fully aware that this is going to be exposed. And yet nobody is covering it. And at the end of the day, what we're going to see is that the United States was set up to be a strictly consumer society. It was a long game through the bushes and the Clintons.

And never forget that Obama's whole history goes back to CIA, USAID, all of that. That is not a lie. that is proven and easily seen. And I think what we have to deal with here is that Donald Trump, Reagan, and JFK all realized that the CIA itself was not a agency of the United States of America, that it was actually an agency created by international bankers and international lawyers to protect themselves. It was my friend Roger Stone who turned me on to the idea that Reagan was, was they tried to take him out. I mean, I'd never heard that before.

Roger was on the program, and he said something when they tried to. I said, Roger, what they? We're talking about Reagan. We're not talking about JFK or Trump. What do you mean they? And, you know, he starts going into this. He's also made the case about Nixon that they, you know, tried to take down, or they did take down Nixon.

And again, when it takes a while for people to wake up to this, that's why I'm saying it's like drinking from a fire hose talking to you because you're like, wait a minute. I get some of this, or I'm tracking with some of this, but this is heavy. And also, I think there is a temptation for people to get cynical. They hear all this stuff, and they get cynical. And I think we ought never to be cynical, folks. There is a God.

There is right and wrong. And we are in a war with evil. And it is worth fighting in that war. And I would be the first to say, it's God's war. We cannot fight it on our own. If you try to fight it in your own strength, which I, believe John F. Kennedy and R.F. Kennedy did. Yeah. In your own strength, you will be destroyed. If you do not put your life in God's hands and say, I want to be a tool in the hands of God here,

because I can't do this on my own strength. You'll be taken out. And there's a history of people being taken out. You want to go up against these dark forces because they're demonic entities. This is not just bad people. This is really dark stuff. But I really do believe God is the answer and we have to we have to be clear folks and as you look in history there's a there's a beautiful side to this the idea that a people could be free and govern themselves these are beautiful ideas uh in in history rare ideas in history and it is worth fighting for and we are in that fight right now uh and this president of course is doing amazing things uh so when we come back we'll keep going we're talking to melkay you can find her at the

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Don't forget to use promo code Eric to grab your standard. for only 1798, only while supplies last. Welcome back talking to Mel Kay. We're talking about a lot. So do you see right now with what President Trump is doing, and he seems to be on to this, and because of the way they've attacked him, he's awake to what he's dealing with.

And so he has put people in place from Cash Patel, you know, Bongino and down the line, who they're on to this. What is your sense of where we are? Because literally yesterday, I was with President Trump and I shook Pam Bondi's hand. And I didn't say to her, hey, hey, when are we going to get some arrests? Because I'm sure she's hearing that a lot.

But what is your sense of that about what is going on, where we are in this battle, war? Well, I think that first of all, what you said before the break is really important. I actually see this as the best time for the United States of America to expose all this, to empower ourselves with this information, and to realize that everything from the never-ending attempts at race wars, to the weather underground tactics, to the infiltration of our universities, all of this is being so openly shined a light on that you have to willfully not want to see it

or be so distracted by the obvious color revolution tactics we've been living through. I do believe also that Donald Trump firmly wants a better way forward. He is very aware of what people call neocons, but really you have to go back and look at the entire thing, which is war for profit and who benefits from these wars for profit, particularly in the reconstruction phases. I also believe that Russiagate, people have to understand not just the Hillary Clinton, aspect of it, but the Obama picking up the ball from Hillary Clinton and using it to make sure that Donald Trump could not be actually president and perform the things that he was elected to do

at all, particularly when it came to Russia. Now, what you have to understand about that, too, if you're trying to put together the pieces, is that World War III, which we are on the cusp of, if we do not, in my opinion, we should not only pull out of NATO, which has been a fraud on the American people and should never have expanded. But if we do not just really cut the ties and say, we are not part of Europe. Okay. We are not part of Europe. Europe has not acted since World War II as allies of the United States. Okay, but that's the point. Again, forgive me, but like here's here's the point, folks. I would love to be part of Europe if it was the Europe of Charles de Gaul and Winston Churchill, but it's not. It has drifted and and Vice President Vance

gave that speech in Munich months ago, where you realize over the decades, whatever Europe has become with the not believe in free speech, they are the enemies of all the stuff that we, the people in America believe in. And so when we're talking about America, we're talking about Europe, we have to say which America, right? So when we talk about the America, you know, the Biden regime, the LGBTQ ideologies being forced on. the world. You know, that's not the America that I believe in. And I think that there are people in England and there are people around Europe who the Marine Lebanon. They want for the ADF in Germany. And they believe in a lot of these things we're talking about. But the people in control there

clearly don't want that. And so I agree when we talk about NATO, I think, hey, ladies and gentlemen, it's not 1956. We're living in a world where what is the point of NATO? What are the values of NATO. So I have said myself, it seems to me that once the Soviet Union fell, NATO suddenly becomes absurd. Why do we have NATO? And you just mentioned, you know, Trump in his first term, wanted detente to use an old Cold War phrase with Putin. Dayton't doesn't mean we agree on everything. It doesn't mean we have the same values as Putin. But detent is a can be a wise thing where you say, listen, we're going to. going to, we're not going to make Ukraine part of NATO and keep pushing you and, you know,

I guess it takes wisdom in this kind of stuff. So we are talking about a lot of stuff, but this idea of NATO and us as being on the same page, again, if Obama's president, of course, Obama's on the same page as the people in the EU, whoever they are. But most Americans are not. Donald Trump is not. Do you have any sense that their forces, within Europe that are pushing against this? I mean, the idea of... Yes. So say that a little bit because I can be slightly hopeful about Europe.

Yeah. Well, what I want to stress is that we paid for the EU. The United States taxpayers paid for the EU and the euro to exist. The EU is not about a unified Europe. The EU is the international banking cartel that controls 27 countries in Europe. and that they also control NATO. And NATO is not a defensive force because this goal is still the opposite of what we've been told. It is the same goal as it's always been, which is destroying Russia as per.

Zig Brzezinski was not only the architect of the unified Europe without Russia and a Polish person who had depatriate for Russia. He was not only the Secretary of State to Carter. Obama brought him back in. Okay. And his whole plan, there are two documents out there that people can look at. One from 93. George Soros wrote it. It's on Open Society. It's called the NATO World Order. He went around, you know, he has that university in the EU. It's basically a color revolution university whose library is actually, was sponsored by Anthony Blinken, another trilateral, another guy who subverted Trump during the first term in foreign policy. but you have to understand that these people have a long-term goal of a unified Europe with no Russia. Okay.

And once you understand that they wrote books about it, because it's the Soros document from 93, but Brazinski from 95. Well, both of them had a lot of influence over who? Bill Clinton, who expanded NATO? Bill Clinton expanded NATO. He was an acolyte of both, you know, a lot of the CFR people, Council Foreign Relations, Also, he was an accolade of George Soros for decades. And then when you look at the Marshall Plan, how did the EU create itself? Well, with the help of Henry Kissinger and Zig Brzezinski, and a lot of people at Harvard

that helped create and push not just the EU, but also the end of the gold standard. And then at that same time in 1971, the birth of the World Economic Forum. And all of these groups are all together, and many of them are protected under a very insidious act that needs to be addressed, I hope, by Donald Trump, the International Organization Immunity Act that is protecting, was put in place in 45, and is protecting this government, above governments. So the illusion that we are free continues because they work together in tandem in region. meetings. So when you hear about Bilderberg or you hear about, you know, Davos or whatever, the truth of those groups, the trilateral, Council of Foreign Relations, is that they still look at the West as theirs, as a hub of one. And all of our nations, including Hungary is pushing back, France is pushing back, Germany is pushing back. And they use Germany in World War I and World War II,

because another thing that gets me in trouble is I often say, Germany might have. lost World War II, but the Nazis did not. And I believe Chuck Grassley and Malay are going to prove that. And once we start seeing what really happened with the infiltration of the United States of America under, and then all the stuff under the guise of chasing communism, and then McCarthy and everyone are destroyed as crazy people and conspiracy theorists. And we have Dulles, who I believe fully was behind everything with JFK and RFK, is then the investigator. You're see the same pattern after the murder of JFK with the Warren Commission has repeated over and over and over. The people that were complicit in creating the trauma-inducing event, or some people

call it false flag, or Operation Gladiow, or whatever you want to call it, these events are used to create suggestibility and to give the government more power. The Patriot Act was not written because of 9-11. The Patriot Act was actually in a bill under Clinton, and it did not go through, okay? And then they had to find another way. The goal after World War II, with the international banking cartel,

the Dulles brothers and the Rockefeller brothers, odd alliance with Wall Street and international law firms, was to create an apparatus that could control the world without being seen. And that is where we are. So we have to look at things like BlackRock. How is BlackRock $11 trillion, the biggest fund that controls most public pensions? On the same day, Donald Trump meets with Putin in Alaska, Larry think of Black Rock is elevated to this top position at the World Economic Forum.

And when you start working backwards and see that all of these groups were put in. in place for something, and that they started arming Ukraine at the fall of the USSR and that the CIA was deeply embedded before they even overthrew under Obama, the duly elected Ukrainian government. Ukraine has been hollowed out for decades to become the hub to kick off World War 3. We'll be right back talking to Mel Kay. Welcome back. I said it before. It's like drinking from a fire hose.

There's a lot of stuff here, and we tend not talk about this kind of thing too much on this show, so it's a big learning curve, but it's very important. You mentioned one of the thing, I mean, you mentioned so much, but the gold standard.

Do you suppose, I mean, I don't know if it was Treasury Secretary Scott Besant or Trump, who kind of floated the idea that maybe will come back to the gold standard. I thought anything is possible with this president. This is why it's so delightful because he thinks up crazy stuff like, hey, you know what?

Let's go back to calling it the Department of War. He does that kind of stuff. And it's breathtaking because most people, I think we've been trained to think, well, that could never happen. You know, that chip has sailed. He's like, no, no, no, if that's a bad idea, we'll get rid of it. If that's a good idea, we'll go back to it. What do you suppose, you know, when we're talking about tariffs, we're talking about, What do you see possible economically?

Do you think this president can pull that off? I don't know. Well, what I think, first of all, we have to understand is that Trump's not saying anything by accident and much of the things he's saying go back to history. And he's asking the American people when people start freaking out about the Department of War. Well, it used to be called the Department of War. And go look at why. You know what I mean?

And there's other things like that when he talks about that. Now, the thing with gold that we have to understand, first of all, I believe firmly that Donald Trump will be working with the BRICS nations. No matter what he says, I do believe that there's more going on than we think. Not only that, but I also believe that he will be meeting with both Putin and G possibly together in the next few months. That's first of all. The world is hoarding gold for a reason, China the most, but all of the world. The Oudopenn Presidency, which I call the Council of Foreign Relations Trilateral Commission Banking Presidency, was doing everything they could.

A big part of Russiagate was so that Donald Trump could not stop the march to World War III. He could not stop what they were building in Ukraine to kick off everything because they are failing. The international banking system, the FIOP currency, it's all failing. So what do they need, the Great Reset? Why do they need the Great Reset and a CBDC to hide all the criminality that they've done since World War II. If they can do that and have a war right now,

or bonds on TV today, saying they're trying to put us all, everyone in the EU, into debt slavery for the next hundred years with this war. So first we have to understand when we went off the gold standard, the agreement was to leave gold perpetually valued at what it was in 1971, $44.

Yesterday, gold hit $3,600 an ounce. So the idea, and Goldman Sachs just put out a paper about this. They've been anti-gold for years. Suddenly they're telling people to buy gold. The Federal Reserve puts out something last week. People can look this up saying that there's a good idea to help eliminate our debt by revaluing gold. We have 250, I think, million or tons. We have a ton of gold, apparently.

It needs to be audited and weighed and all that. So here's the thinking, I think, behind that. We would need to re-value our gold, holdings to today's prices to match the BRICS nations. The BRICS nations are dealing in $3,600 an ounce gold. Well, the stagnant and stayed 1971 price of U.S. gold has not revaluated yet at all. So if you revaluated and do the math, that's pretty much our debt. So there is an idea of that. Now, there's a lot of chaos with the Bitcoin and the stable coins and all of that. That might come and go.

But gold and silver is not. And the rest of the world is turning to it because the international banking cartel that really has run the wars and the military industrial complex, they do not want that to happen because it is how they keep going. So I think that there is a race to try to kick off this war, have an Article 5 NATO, Ukraine's not even in NATO, but have an Article 5, continue down the path of war so that that cannot happen. Okay? Because if gold is revalued and we start dealing on the world stage in gold and silver as intended in the beginning, the only money mentioned in the Constitution or in the federalist papers or anything else was gold and silver, you know? So if we actually go back to

everything pre-1913. I'd say to everyone out there, just read George Washington's farewell letter, and you'll know where we went wrong on every step of the way. But revaluing our goal to match the rest of the world currently would change our dynamics financially in unbelievable ways. And the other thing about tariffs that I want people to understand, the tariffs are to even out the playing field of what we have been deceived and looted and lied to about since World War II,

1944 at least, which is that the United States of America taxpayer has paid for this entire globalist gamble, this entire fiat currency gamble, this entire endless war on a tactic known as terror. And I would say that the biggest player in this entire game is not only the CIA. I frankly believe from my research into Dulles in Switzerland and what was going on and the working with the Nazis and everything, the Reich Bank especially, which basically was swallowed into the BIS, is that this was a long game. And the long game was to, as soon as their financial model was to break, and I think it was gamed out to be now, or 2020, that they had to do something. So, you know, we had the pandemic, and we had the stolen election, and we have color revolutions all over the world,

unmitigated migration into all basically white Christian nations only, and now a kickoff by any means necessary to a third world war. And the people have to understand, we are all on the same side if we believe in God and freedom and justice and truth. And this is where I think skepticism, is not the way to go, actually reinvesting in your country because we are still the founders of this nation and we have to start acting like it. Great place to leave it.

Just so fascinating. Mel Kay, thank you so much. Thank you, Sarah. I'll see you again. My guest is Dinesh D'Souza. We're talking about a brand new film called The Dragons Prize. based on the book by our friend Jonathan Kahn. And Dinesh, before we forget, where can people find the film?

The film is out right around October 7th, so it's in theater, it's October 6th and October 8th, the two days around October 7th. It's also going to be streaming and on DVD the next day, October 9th. And all tickets at the website, the Dragons Prophecy Film.com. The Dragons Prophecy Film. You can order streaming and DVD now. Look, this is a film kind of made for the second anniversary of October 7th, but it has an enlarged perspective that shows us what America's role is here

and also what our role is. Because one of the points that Khan makes very profound, I think, is that, look, if battles are going back to the beginning, if the Jews of today need to be tough and put on armor like the ancient Israelites did, then guess what? We who are those sort of spiritual Jews, we who are the spiritual Israelites, we the Christians, we need to go back to the way Christians were in the book of Acts. We need to have a kind of new fervor, a new dynamism to our faith and a recognition of the spiritual stakes involved. That's what this film, it tries to help that process and help that kind of enlightenment.

And what was it that led you, Dinesh D'Souza, to say, I want to make a film about this, because I know you, I know Jonathan Kahn, but when I heard that you were making a film of his book, I thought, wow, what a great idea. What was your process in that? Eric, I went to Israel for the first time with my wife, Debbie, in December of 22. I was exposed to biblical archaeology for the first time.

In fact, right about that time I read your book, is atheism dead? I was blown away at this idea that as the world becomes more secular, and you and I talk about this in the film, God is speaking back, is whispering, if you will, through the tablets and the artifacts and the stones and the seals. So I knew about all that. And then comes October 7th. And I go, you know what? This is a very interesting topic. But I didn't realize it initially that the topic of biblical archaeology and October 7th were connected in that they go back to the fundamental question of whose land is it. So I had the past, the archaeology, the present, October 7th. And then I encountered John

who comes on my podcast and talks about prophecy. And I'm like, whoa, we have the past, we have the present, we have the future. I think I can weave this together in a very interesting tapestry. And I'm very proud to say, I think this film delivers that in a big way. What do you make, Dinesh, of voices on the right? Like, I guess Tucker Carlson is a classic example that I've been on his show and I admire him. But he seems to see things differently. I guess I'm, you know, I always want to get stuff right. You don't just want to be an apologist for Israel no matter what. But it really seems like there's this strange narrative out there that there are people that just a few years ago, I would have agreed with them on everything,

but they have some view that, you know, 1948 is meaningless. Israel becoming a country, the Jews coming together after thousands of years away. That's meaningless. Who cares? It doesn't It's a strange thing to me because, I mean, I'm interested in what's true, but I find it hard to believe that that idea makes any sense, that it's a meaningless thing that Israel has been reconstituted. Tucker has some real moral blind spots. This is one of them. I've known Tucker Carlson 30 years. He worked for me in his early career. The two of us were on a speaking tour together in Australia just last year. We got along just fine. But Tucker does not know or understand the Bible. at all. Recently, I just saw him in one of his interviews, and he said this phrase, what is Judea and Samaria? And he wasn't asking sort of rhetorically, he didn't know. So you have a guy like Tucker who thinks somehow that there is a disconnect between the Jews in Israel today and the ancient Israelites. The big question he posed to Ted Cruz was, are you really saying that

the Jews of today are descended from the ancient Israelites? And the answer is, duh, yes. But because it's not like some, the Jews were scattered in a diaspora, and some other sneaky non-Jews came and, you know, impersonated the actual Jews and came to Israel and said, here we are! And the real Jews got lost somewhere in Ukraine or Lithuania. I mean, this is like madness. But it's being put out there with a straight face. Lots of people are falling for it.

As well as the canard that a country of 10 million people with a tiny GDP relative to ours, no kind of weaponry comparable to ours is somehow controlling us, almost as if someone would make a claim that the mosquito is controlling the elephant. I have to ask you, for some reason, on my Instagram feed, I have no idea why, but a couple days ago, all of this Nick Fuente's stuff kept coming up. And I thought, this is a diabolical figure. His hatred for the Jews, it actually frightened me, his racism. And I realized you debated him recently.

What can you say? Well, Nick Fuentes has a kind of cult following, and it's on the right. And he was going out there basically saying, Charlie Kirk is a wimp. He won't debate me. You know, Shapiro, the Jew, won't debate me. So I was like, you know what? I'll debate him. And I realized that Nick Fuentes basically, to him, history begins around like 2001.

Because his big point is like, regime change is bad. Look at what happened in Iraq. And I was like, well, yeah, but there was regime. change in Germany, in Japan. There was, I can give you 40 examples of regime change that turned out beautifully. So I just went through this and you could just see his sort of startled face. I think we're dealing here with a generational gap of knowledge and understanding. Fuentes and Tucker have something in common is that they both like to take the thing that nobody likes to say and say it really loudly. And part of their idea of going after Israel is based on this kind of,

I think juvenile iconoclasm? Juvenile iconoclasm. I think that's correct. I think that's correct. And I want to be really clear. I like Tucker. I can disagree with Tucker on some stuff, but I really like him.

Nick Fuentes, honestly, what I see, I find frightening. The fact that he has a cult following among people who are too ignorant to understand what he's pushing. Because it is a really, you can feel the spiritual darkness of his hatred for the Jews. And he loves to take things in a real. really racist direction. And it's kind of funny because, you know, people like you and me, we're accused sometimes of being racist, whatever, and we are absolutely not that. But because of figures like him who really is racist, people on the right kind of get lumped in with that.

It's a frightening thing. We've got a final segment coming up with Dinesh. The film is the Dragon's Prophecy. Folks, this is important. It's going to come out October 6th, 7th, 8th. stay tuned for that. We'll be right back with Dinesh D'Souza. Back, final segment with Dinesh D'Souza. Dinesh, you were in Israel recently and you spoke directly with Prime Minister Netanyahu. Tell us about it. Yeah, I got 30 minutes one-on-one with him, and there's about five minutes of him in the film. I'm saving the rest just to do on my podcast later. But I wanted to, you know, Netanyahu is so much under siege worldwide that when I've seen him in interviews, he's very kind of clipped. He's very stiff.

He knows what he has to say, and he speaks in a very measured way. So I wanted to throw him off his stride to bring out the real Netanyahu, which is like the real Trump. It's actually better than the canned Netanyahu. And so I unloaded some questions on him like, what do you think of Jesus? So right away, you can see his face. You know, he has to comment on Jesus. And he has very interesting things to say. And you have a very animated Netanyahu, who is a friendly sparring partner for me.

And I think this Netanyahu is someone that people were really like, because he's been demonized, as you know, on the world stage. I think he's a hero. But very often, the Netanyahu that people need to see is not the Netanyahu that they do see. And so I try to bring a little snapshot of Netanyahu in the film where people go, wow, that guy is a real character. And guess what? We are America first. He's Israel first, and he has every right to be. Well, of course he does.

So you got Dinesh D'Souza gets Benjamin Netanyahu to let his hair down. And you did it without vodka. You just did it by throwing some questions. I love that. I'm looking forward to seeing that. Now, you invited me to be in the film to talk about biblical archaeology. And it is fascinating. Obviously, you read my book, is atheism dead.

But when I discovered myself the evidence for the book. for the Bible from, from archaeology, it becomes open and shut. It's not like, well, there's some evidence. It is more and more and more coming out. And it really does feel like God's hand. It's like the Lord is saying, okay, now I want to bring this information out about science, pointing to God, about archaeology, pointing to the Bible as history. We're living in historic times. And you do bring that out in the film, that this is not just, you know, kind of more of what we've grown up with. Something has changed. Yeah, here is your role in the film.

You know, we have Jonathan Khan giving this kind of spirited biblical analysis, but our audience is not exclusively Christian. And so I have to step back and say, all right, but there are people who are going to say, well, how can we trust the Bible? It's maybe like Greek mythology, like King Arthur, maybe this stuff is all made up. So when you talk about Pontchus Pilate, when you talk about the childhood home of Jesus,

we went to all those places. And so we're showing the audience straight up. Guess what? Here is Pontius Pilot. This is the first historical reference to Pontius Pilot outside the Bible, and it's indisputable. And here it is. And so what we're doing with your section in the film is validating the historicity of the Bible as a kind of tool or template of analysis. And so it legitimizes where Jonathan Khan is going.

It fits beautifully together. You're going to love this film, Eric. Once again, if I can say the Dragons Prophecy Film.com, that's the web. website. You can order streaming now. You can get your DVDs now. And it's in theater. It's tickets will be up in a week or so. You can get your tickets for the theater on October 6th and on October 8th. And dare I say it's an important film. That's the point, folks. There's a lot of films. This is important. It's important that we understand this. And it is important that we understand that the Bible is historical. And I can understand people who don't get that

because they haven't been confronted with the more recent evidence. More and more and more evidence has come out. Obviously, I write about it in my book, and Dinesh talks to me about it in the film. It is a startling thing that we're alive at a time where we can see this. And so we can present this evidence to people who aren't on the same page.

And it's actually important we do, and it's important for ourselves, that we know this is not something we believe. It's just true. So the film, The Dragons Prophecy. You can find it at the Dragons Prophecy Film.com. Dinesh D'Souza, thank you so much. Eric, always a pleasure.