The Eric Metaxas Show - Douglas Murray

Episode Date: June 8, 2022

Douglas Murray, using examples from his new book, "The War on the West," explains how many well-meaning people in the West have been fooled by hypocritical anti-Western rhetoric.

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I'm talking to you. We have tried for some time to get my guest on. His name is Douglas Murray. He has a brand new book, another smashing bestseller, and it ought to be. It's called The War on the West. It deals with the war on the West. Douglas Murray, welcome. That's a great pleasure to be with you, Eric.

I'm so grateful for you and for this book and for your voice. I've watched you talking about this on other programs. Frame it for my listeners, because this is a really eclectic program. We don't talk about these sorts of things every day. What is the war on the West? Why did you write the book? The War on the West, as I said, is the war that's going on in our time, which is underneath every other issue.

And that is essentially anti-Westernness. Now, there are different types of anti-Westernism. There's Chinese anti-Westernism. There's Arab anti-Westernism. The one I'm interested in is Western anti-Westernism. The thing that has grown in all of our lifetimes of a hatred, suspicion, disgust of the West, a dislike of everything that we have created, and a veneration of everything so long as we haven't had it or created it ourselves. It is one of the things that has caused what I

describe as, for instance, the war on our history, the decision to war on everything in our past, to criticize everything in the Western past as having to do with slavery or racism or colonialism and ignoring all of the rest of the world and its iniquities, an obsessive, repacious, attack on everything that we have inherited, including our religious tradition, and a veneration of everything so long as it is not ours. And this is, I think, one of the things that is underneath all of the stories of our day, all the chat about woke, for instance. Woke doesn't even approximate the debt which we need to understand this challenge as coming at us at. Now, the way I would frame it ultimately, although I haven't written a book, but to my mind, it's the war on God.

Because when we say the West, we're not simply being parochial tribalists who say, the West is great, we're Western. Who cares? The question is, what is true and right and good? And when you bring up the issue of slavery, the idea that slavery is a wicked thing is not some subjective notion that we are behind. we simply believe that this is true, that this is foundational truth, and that it is only the West, which is to say Athens and Jerusalem, or some combination thereof, that has given us these ideas that are glorious, they're beautiful, we can't take credit for them,

but we have an obligation to expound them, to teach them, to help people understand why these ideas are superior to other ideas. And so when you talk about the West, let's just go a little bit further there, what do you mean when you describe the West? What do you mean by that? The West is both a geographical concept and, as you say, essentially much more importantly, an ideas concept. The West is a product, as you well know, of Athens and Jerusalem, of the biblical tradition and the inheritance that we have of philosophy and thought from ancient Greece and ancient Rome. All of this, I would add, is refined in the fires of the Enlightenment. that, among other things, produces the American Republic, the American Revolution, the founding fathers, the founding documents, the notion of the separation of church and state,

which, of course, again, as I show, I mean, not only our religious tradition is under attack, but our secular tradition as well. I show how even the people who came up with the concepts of, you know, the separation of church and state have come in for as much criticism as the biblical foundations of our society as well. It's as if both Athens and Jerusalem are being. attacked simultaneously in our time. Because if you want to take out the West, you've got to take out everything. You can't just take out one strand. You've got to go for the whole thing. And that is what I believe is going on. Well, to sum up, of course, we're talking about what we now call the

woke agenda, which is effectively cultural Marxism. But it's interesting because I remember, you know, when I was in college in the 80s, this had already begun under the term political correctness, and you had people like Jesse Jackson, you know, shouting, hey, ho, I can't remember how the Western SIP. Hey, hey, ho, Western Siv has got to go. And I thought to myself, liberals already in the 80s, they were pushing this then, and of course they've had great success, they're pushing this idea that Western civilization, the West, as you're calling it, is fundamentally wicked. It's a bad thing. And they love it. jump it in with colonialism and manifest destiny, whatever they need to do to make it seem bad.

And they say Western civilization has got to go. So, of course, you and I know that Shakespeare, classical Greece, everything that has contributed to create the most free culture in the history of the world, which is to say the United States and parts of the West, comes from these traditions. So I think we need to start by saying that the folks pushing this agenda, they're being dishonest. In other words, they have an animus against something, and they don't really care what they need to say or whom they need to lie about to push this agenda forward. Well, that's absolutely right. I mean, I say in one very enjoyable, if I say so, myself, section of the book.

Very interesting to notice the things they don't do this on. So, for instance, I explain it. All of the founding fathers in America have been done over in recent years for connections with racism, slavery, colonialism. Same three sins always thrown out there as if no other people on earth ever committed any of these crimes, of course. It's been all of the Enlightenment philosophers have been attacked for connections to slavery, racism, colonialism. Abraham Lincoln, north and south in the American Civil War, connections with racism, slavery, colonialism.

So I say at one point in the book, I say, who isn't this done against? And one of the most important figures it's not done against is Karl Marx. Nobody's trying to pull down statues of Karl Marx. In fact, statues of Karl Marx are currently still going up. One went up in his native Germany just a year ago, paid for by the benevolence of the Communist Party of China.

But, you know, Karl Marx, In his private correspondence, as I show in the war on the West, is incredibly racist. In his letters to Engels, he repeatedly uses the N-word, he usually hyphenates it with the word Jew. He has horrible views on slavery, horrible views on colonialism, as shown in his published writings in the American media in the 1850s. But I hear nothing from the left about the need to cancel or tear down Karl Marx. And since I pointed this out, by the way, it's been very interesting to hear Marxists running to the defence. of their profit. One thing they've said is Douglas Murray is being very unfair. Carl Marx was a man of his time.

Well, sure. You mean like everyone else? You mean like all of them? Like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? You mean like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, exactly. Ben Franklin. And so why did you go for Franklin and Jefferson and Washington? But oh, skipped out Marx. The other thing they say is, well, we don't go to Marx. Douglas Murray is being unfair because we don't go to Marx for his views on race. We go to him for his views on economic theory. for a moment, it's a bad idea to go to him for that as well. We don't go to the founding fathers for their views on ownership of slaves. We don't go to Winston Churchill for some of his Victorian attitudes about other peoples around the world. We don't revere him for those attitudes. We revere Winston Churchill for standing alone against fascism. But yet they want to bring down Winston Churchill. They want to cancel Winston Churchill. But the same principles, the same

ethics, the same judgment, is not exercised against Karl Marx. Well, I think that tells us something very, very interesting and useful. It tells us that part of this war against the West is coming, as always, from the Marxist direction. People who want to say, we're going to tear down the whole thing. Western Sivv has got to go, and in its place, we've got, oh, hey, Presto, what have we got, oven-ready? Marksism. That's one of the things that's waiting in the wings. I just want to say, Ladies and gentlemen, the phrase, hey, presto, has never been used on this program before. It may never happen again. Cherish it.

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I want to talk to you about what you were just referencing a moment ago, because this comes to the issue of this looking for like a hermeneutical lever. What is it about the left, about the West Hating Left? that they seize on this idea of narrative. In other words, it's not about truth. It's about narrative. Because if they were about truth, they would denounce the murder of Uyghur Muslims

by the communist Chinese. They would denounce Karl Marx as a racist. Why don't they do that? And it strikes me that this is how you know they don't care about truth because they are subject. in every way, and they will, it's kind of like arguing with a child who is lying and you're trying to get to the bottom of things, and you realize the kid doesn't care about what's true.

They just want to get out of, they don't want to get in trouble, so they'll say anything. And that's kind of where we are with the left. They all, I guess part of what I mean to say is that they would even say, when you and I talk about truth or logic, they would say, no, no, no, those are patriarchal. colonialist structures. And we don't even care about truth. And so you start digging and digging and saying, well, where's the bottom of this? Where are you coming from? And where they seem to be coming from is almost like some kind of abyss of nothingness. There is no place that they're coming from. They seem to be coming from nowhere, as though they just have a spiritual animus

against anything good and true and beautiful, but they're not willing to say so. Yes, that's certainly, again, it's certainly a part of it. Part of the assault on the West is coming from just outright Marxists. There's certainly an element of it that's coming from nihilists and very, very ill-informed people. I mean, what is the great plan after Western civilization has gone? What's the plan? Isn't that the question? What is it look like?

What is it? What is Carl Schwab and I don't know who, whoever else, but these are people that are obviously at war, as you say, with the West, with the ideals of the West, with the Judeo-Christian tradition, with even the idea of rationality and logic. And yes, then the question is, okay, so you tear these things down, then what? And so do they say so? At the moment, the answer is really only one thing,

which is everybody from the past must be torn away and torn down. Every idea from the past must be found guilty. Every cultural inheritance of the past must be, effectively put behind crime scene tape. What is at the end of this, the great god of the era? Me, me, just me, standing athwart all of this rubble saying, I've won, I'm better than all of these people. I wouldn't have had slaves if I'd have been in 18th century proto-America.

I would have been on the right side in the civil war and also been for civil rights 150 years before. for everyone else. I would have been anti-Nazi throughout the Nazi period. I know all of history, because I know how it all went, and I know I would have been immaculate throughout it. Of course, the fact is, wrong, flat out wrong. You'd have been like everybody else trying to find your way through. Some of you have been on the right side. Most of you have been on the wrong side, depending on your circumstance. Very few people think their way out of their era. Very few people. You know, the remarkable thing about the West and slavery isn't that we enslaved people.

Every civilization in history did that. The remarkable thing about the West is that we got rid of it. I don't need to tell you, Eric, it was remarkable people, including remarkable Christians who spent their lives making sure that the West was a civilization that recognized theologically and philosophically the evil of slavery, the evil of racism, and not only stopped it ourselves, but prevented other people in engaging in it, too. Brazil kept on slaving until the 1880s. The Ottoman Empire continued slaving throughout.

There are 40 million, 4.0 million slaves of the world today, which is more than there were in the 19th century. So the remarkable thing about the West was that we found our way out of these things. We actually did try to morally improve ourselves based on the traditions we inherited. But this generation that we're talking about here of anti-Westernists, they think they're just better than all of these people, and they don't need them, and they don't learn anything from history because they think they're so much better than everybody in history. This is one of the things that comes at the end of all of this.

The huge narcissism of people like the person in New York in the council chamber in the city where we're sitting, when they removed the statue of Thomas Jefferson last November from City Hall, and they created it up and boxed it out and wheeled it through the... back door. And one of the members of the New York City Council said, he, Thomas Jefferson, doesn't represent our values. Well, if the founding fathers don't represent your values and nobody else in the past does, what do you left with? You're left with this low-calibur third-rate council member hoping to create an entirely new ethic around herself, her personal comfort, her own ideas such as

they are. I suspect that the woman in question has never read any book at all. Probably can't spell Jefferson. Almost certainly can't spell Jefferson. And yet would create an entirely new, would tear everything down, everything, and then have the great God me at the end. Well, this is interesting because, again, I'm always looking for the, I guess the phrase is hermeneutical lever or lever, as you might put it. Well, I got to say, what keeps you. coming up is this idea of me, me, me. There's something profoundly adolescent about it, but also dark.

The idea that one would exalt oneself is the opposite of humility. Of course, humility is one of those dead Western values. But the idea that one would exalt oneself and you say, why? In other words, what is it about you who would exalt yourself in this way? On what basis do you do that? And it strikes me, you know, I can't help but think of Nietzsche's will to power. Just the idea that there's this really inchoate sense, nobody knows quite where it comes from,

but that seems to be at the root of all of this. It's very, as I say, it seems adolescent. It seems deeply arrogant. But I guess I'm just wondering if anyone were to question any of these people, if anyone could be enticed to be articulate for a few sentences. What might they say? Where do they say that they're coming from? On what basis do they make these claims?

The main thing of the era, of course, as I say at the beginning of the war in the West, actually quoting Nietzsche, part of the genealogy of morals, is the people who talk about justice but mean revenge. I'll repeat it. The people who talk about justice but mean revenge. That's why in the opening chapter of the war on the West, I talk about what I call the war on white people. The decision that if you're going to take down the West,

you've got to attack majority populations. It would be horrible to tell any group of people, a minority of any color, that they were responsible for things that people who looked like them in history did, that they were born into guilt, that they're evil by dint of their skin pigmentation, and much more.

And yet that in our era is what is being said against them to white people. People say, well, we're doing this in the name of social justice. I'm sorry. It sounds to me awfully like revenge. When I read the self-appointed gurus of our time, the non-public, public intellectuals of our time, the people who will not go out and defend their ideas because they're essentially not possible to defend.

I'm thinking of people like Robin DiAngelo of white fragility fame or Ibram X. Kendi, as he terms himself, who wrote the book, How to Be an Anti-Racist, a title that's perfect if you take out the term anti from the title. It's just a book about how to be a racist in a new way. These people and many others are carrying out an act of historic revenge. They believe that there are people who did bad things in the past, only those people, and now in the present there must be vengeance upon them.

They believe that there must be vengeance upon white people specifically, and they say as much. They believe there should be a war on Western history. specifically, and they say as much, on Western culture, on Western religion and philosophy, and they say as much? And what is the real driving force, only a belief that if you carry out an act of historic revenge, you will get something? The answer, of course, is they will get nothing. We will all inherit a wasteland. Well, isn't that the idea? In other words, the reason I said it's adolescent before is it's profoundly peevish. There's nothing wise or measured or mature or seasoned.

It is simply peevish, childish, adolescent behavior. And I feel that culturally we've been stuck in this place roughly since the 60s when we exalted youth and the emotion of youth. I mean, although it goes back to Rousseau. It's childish, it's emotional, it's just not based on anything reasonable, but it's going to scream louder. We're going to go to break. We'll be right back to continue our conversation with Douglas Murray.

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One of the questions I've had repeated in recent years is where have all grown-ups gone? Where have they gone? When somebody who doesn't know anything and is 18 or 19 and has a complete comprehensive theory that they have been told that they've just downloaded, where have the adults gone? Where have the adults gone in America? I mean, God, I love this country. I live here now. But I mean, where have the adults in America gone?

The people who should stand over the culture and say, excuse me, you've got this wrong, you've got this country wrong, you've got this nation wrong, you've got our history wrong, you've got our inheritance wrong. Where are those people? All we have is this attempted cultural revolution from, as it were, the ground up, from part of the youth up, and the adults don't even bother to correct it.

I give examples in the culture chat. in the book, which is just horrific some of the details, the way in which every art collection, every theatre tradition in the West, everything, the same remorsefulous thing, guilty of connection with slavery, colonialism, racism. There was a seminar recently, again, at the Globe Theatre in London,

which is set up to only to do one thing, to have Shakespeare's plays in the settings at the site where he himself had his plays before. A couple of two-bit American academics gave a decolonization of Shakespeare program recently, in which one of them said, the amazing revelation, Shakespeare uses language of light and darkness.

She, of course, said this was racist, like everything else. And she said, this talk of Shakespeare, I mean, his language is all over the place. You know, until today, we thought that Shakespeare was quite a whiz with words. You know, we used to think he was quite good with the old language stuff. But where are the people standing up and saying, excuse me, excuse me, totally unimportant third-rate college professor from America?

But you don't have the right to judge Shakespeare like that. You can criticize, but you've done nothing. You've achieved nothing. You don't even know what you're talking about. You know, just a moment of silent reflection from you would be quite useful. But no, they don't. All of these people jump on this same. boring, reductive game of racism, slavery.

And none of the adults stand up. People don't say, excuse me, I'd like to defend the great things we've inherited, including the literature and philosophy and art and much more. I don't want to see you just tear it down and fumble around it with it, with your completely incapable sort of. It's like watching brain surgery being carried out by somebody wearing boxing gloves. You know? Well, you are.

You want to say to someone like this woman, if indeed she is a woman, who's to say what that is? But you want to say, methinks the lady doth protest too much. Obviously, when someone goes on and on, really preposterously, embarrassingly saying such things about one of the greatest writers in the history of the world, if not the greatest, they reveal their own ignorance. It's that simple. If they'd shut up, we wouldn't know. Now, of course, we know. But the problem, Eric, very quickly, the problem is, is not just these people say these things.

Stupid people have always existed. It's no presumptive people have always existed. There's nothing you can do about them. There's nothing you'd want to do about them. They're just there. The problem is, why would the Globe Theater set up only to protect Shakespeare's legacy and to promote it and keep it nurtured?

Why would they invite these destructive people into the sanctuary? and that's the same in institution after institution. Why the U.S. military? Why every department of state in America? Why every cultural institution? Why all of the universities? Why everything that's meant to be nurturing our culture has decided to welcome in barbarians who want to tear it down?

And I have an answer, I think, for that. I mean, it's a little complicated, but it comes to what we would call cultural confidence. I don't know who coined the term, but it's a loss of cultural confidence. If you yourself don't know what you believe, your loathe to defend it. And I think,

but for me, this always goes back to 1968 and Columbia University here in New York City. When you had these immature, spoiled children who were enrolled

at Columbia University, acting out in the way that spoiled children always act out. But the key to me was that the leaders, the president, of Columbia and others, let them get away with it. In other words, a loving parent would give that kid a spanking, would send that kid to his room. These people in Locoparentis said, you know what?

Who's to say what's right or wrong? Come on in and occupy our offices. In other words, a spirit kind of came into the culture in the 60s, which for me has to do with, there's no way around it. It's guilt. In other words, you say, well, who am I to say anything? I've done things wrong. And it was that attacking attitude of the youth, pointing out all the faults of their elders and the elder generations and previous generations.

And the previous generations and the elders, rather than say, yes, that's fine. But they just said, ah, yes, I think we agree. We're paralyzed with guilt. Go ahead and take over. And we now know exactly where that leads. And what happened in Columbia in 68 ends up in, I think, 2018, 2017 and 2018, at Evergreen College in America. And the case of Evergreen College, where Brett Weinstein gave a refused this racist day, etc. I went to go into all the details.

I wrote about them in my last book, The Madness of Crowds. The college president ends up in a meeting with students. And at one point, they hold him hostage. And the college president asks to go to the bathroom, and one of the kids says, tire not in it. Excuse me, we wanted to end this segment on a prurient awful note and we've succeeded, but we have another segment coming back where we will untie the knot and we'll be right back with Douglas Murray. Don't go away.

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Folks, welcome back talking to Douglas Murray. Douglas, you were just talking about Evergreen College. And the idea that these titular leaders would allow themselves to be humiliated and to be treated in this way, there's something deeply indecorous and immoral about that alone. But you're describing the scene where they're holding him hostage, the president of Evergreen. And it's, but it's childishness writ large. I mean, it's just the most abasing kind of behavior. and here it is on display for everyone.

Absolutely. And, you know, this example of Evergreen is so telling because I say it's where you end up. You end up with the figuring authority begging for a bathroom break and being denied it. That's what happens if the adults all vacate the premises. You end up with no-nothing kids taking over. And that's essentially one of the things that's happened. You mentioned before the breaker at Gild, and as you know, there's a section in the book, I write about this. The whole issue of historic guilt, personal guilt, is in our day presented as if it's very simple. You know, Americans are guilty because apparently uniquely they did bad things in the past, unlike everyone else in the past who was just lovely and lived in Edenic clover, never did anything bad. Americans are told they're born in sin. This isn't a fringe idea, as you know. The ambassador to the UN for the United States said last year at the United Nations that the United States was born in sin.

The New York Times has reframed the founding date of America in order to have America not have a history of heroism, but of sin so that the founding date is the first slaves who came to the continent. And this remorseless thing in our day has been to say, only we in the West are ever guilty, and we must be constantly punished and self-flagellate. And one of the things I say in the war on the West is, firstly, you have no damn idea of the context of any of this.

You have taken the Western tradition out of context, you have treated it deeply unfairly, and you have ignored everybody else's behavior in history. Secondly, you've decided that now you will punish people who look like people in the past who did something bad, and you will decide there's another group of people who are only people who had something bad done to them and who never did anything bad themselves,

and they must be somehow given some kind of past throughout the rest of history because of this. And thirdly, I say no, no. The biblical tradition tells us the danger of the sins of the father ethic. The sins of the father should not fall upon the sun. What do we have now in the modern West? The sins of the great, great, great, great, great, once removed uncle can be visited upon the descendant, apparently. Or somebody who looks like somebody who did something in the past can have a sin visited upon them.

No, the adults in the room have to stand up. We will not have in 21st century America, the sort of CRT and other things, telling students that they are guilty because of their skin color or because of the place they were born. No, the adults have to stand up and say, you do not have the right to do that. You don't have the right to rewrite our past. You don't have the right to tell our children that they are born into guilt. No, stop it right now. And the one good bit of news in our day on this, Eric, because I don't need to tell you and your listeners,

is a lot of this stuff has not survived its first meeting with American moms. And that is a great sign of hope. That's right. Well, this is the thing. I mean, actually, I want to ask you before we go further, where do you, Douglas Murray, come to be where he are today ideologically? Were you raised in a home where these ideas were prized? Because obviously, you know, in the academy and in the world of journalism

and publishing today, you and I would find ourselves in the minority. So how did you come to think these things or to be public about them? Well, everything I believe is what everyone believed until yesterday. It's only because people have been cowed and subjected and terrorized and bullied into having to say a set of new platitudes and banalities. I think that most people, by the way, I mean, often you hear this talk of a silent majority. I hate that phrase. Why the hell should a majority be silent? It's such a weird thing for a majority to be. But increasingly I realize that, you know, although your ideas,

for instance, my ideas might seem unusual in the American Academy, it's not us that's unusual. It's the American Academy. You know, everything that I say is simply, and I back everything up, is what we have is good. And by the way, everybody, almost everybody realizes that. And one of the reasons I can say that with confidence is everybody knows that America today is still, and all the UN data proves this, the number one destination people in the world want to come to. If that's the case, there's no way that America can be the racist, slave-owning, colonialist country that it's portrayed as. This is all froth. This is all chatter.

People don't break in to countries that would impress them. So all of the evidence shows us that the countries we live in in the West are by any standards, including the footfall standard, the fairest, least racist, most just countries on earth. No people crossing the southern border by the day bump into Texans trying to flee to the safety of Venezuela. So we all know this. So a lot of this is mere chariot. and frivolity and posing. And I believe that the majority are absolutely aware of this.

They are absolutely aware that they're very, very lucky to be born in the West. They could have been born somewhere else. But I just add one thing to that. It's not just luck. We are where we are because men and women before us made good decisions. They designed the West well. And that's why the world wants to come. There's so much you say that I want to respond to.

First of all, I agree with you, and I rarely hear anyone say this, but I've said it many times, and you just said it that. Most people know what's true. Most people know these ideas are preposterous ideas. The idea that three minutes ago, we discovered that there are an infinity of genders and you think, excuse me, what? We have centuries of science from where did you get this idea? and why must we exceed to it as though you have some kind of empirical proof? It's sheer will. It's the will of the people on the sides of these things.

And I think most people, and again you referred to the silent majority, I think it's the increasingly less silent majority. And I think this is the good news, and it's thanks to books like yours. But I think that when things get as bad as they've become, finally people wake up and say, well, wait a minute, I was silent because I thought everything was running well enough. And now I realize, if I don't speak,

we're going to hell in a handbasket. We'll be right back. Final segment with Douglas Murray. The book is The War on the West. Hey there, folks. We're back. Albin, we're back. We are back.

All right. We've got a couple things to announce. This is the end of hour one today. I want to say we did, you know that we did a fundraiser for CSI, we randomly pick three winners, three grand prize winners. So if you gave to the CSI campaign, no matter what amount you gave, your name is put in a hat, and we pick out three winners. Now, if you did not give, there is zero chance

that you won one of these outrageous grand prizes. outrageous, I tell you. They're outrageous. It's simply hard to take in what it is that we mail to the three grand prize winners. So if you did give, your name may be announced right now. Albin, who do we have? Mark and Jean Van Dyke from Silver Springs, Maryland. Mark and Gene Van Dyke, did you say?

I did. The Dutch couple? Yeah. Grand prize winners. All right, who else we have? Alan Newman from a place called Seagre. Texas. Alan Newman? Yeah. Alan Newman?

Alan Newman. Alan Newman, come on down. Isn't that great? Who else? Who else? Okay. Pamela Fisher from Richland, Washington. Pam. Pam. Can we call you? You're going to get this box of, well, listen, I want to say congratulations to all of you. And to those of you who didn't win, I know you don't give to get. I want to say thank you for giving. We just appreciate that. Got a couple of other quick announcements. Real quick.

First of all, tomorrow, I'm talking to Matt Walsh. He has a movie out called What is a Woman? Tough question. What is a woman? You know, the mystery of what is a woman? And the film is genius. Tomorrow we're going to talk to him. We've got Lauren Bobert coming up.

You want to talk about what is a woman? That is a woman. An amazing, amazing woman in Congress and answer to prayers to have a woman like that representing Americans in Congress. We also have Kerry Lake coming up. Another amazing woman. These really are just spectacular examples of leadership on the American model. I cannot wait to get them on the program.

Also, the basketball player Jonathan Isaac. He has a book called Why I Stand. Oh, yeah. We're going to find out why he stands. We're going to find out what is a woman. We're going to find out all kinds of stuff. All kinds. We have Senator Mike Lee, another one of the good guys.

Oh, my gosh. Now listen, this weekend I'm preaching in Pasadena at Chey Ann's Church. If you want information on where I'm speaking, I guess you really should go to Eric Mataxis.com. It's a website that I've created. It's called Eric Mataxis. My name, my current name is Eric Mataxis. So I thought if I could Eric Mataxis.com, and I did. So if you go to Ericmataxis.com, you can click and you can see where I'm speaking.

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