The Eric Metaxas Show - Dr. Hamlin Emory

Episode Date: June 2, 2022

Dr. Hamlin Emory, who practices child/adult neuro-psychiatry in L.A., sits down with Eric to discuss discoveries outlined in his book, "Hard to Swallow: From Superstition to Psychiatry."

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I can't. It's Wednesday, the 1st of June. It is, yeah. And I just have to say, looking for my talk here. And by the way, I'm very proud of you. It's a prideful month. proud of you, Mr. Yes.

Yes. If anybody goes along with the, let's start on a negative note. If anybody goes along with Pride Month, if anybody's like, you know, you're part of the problem. Okay. It's such nonsense. Don't even get me started. But the fact that people go along with it is even worse.

Last night, we have so much happy stuff to relate. We basically had the first Socrates in the city in over two years. Yeah. Since the monkey pox struck two years ago, the monkeypox, it's just upended our economy. And so for two years, we haven't had a Socrates event. And last night, here in New York City, we hosted Apollo 16 astronaut, Charles Moss, Duke, Brigadier General Charlie Duke. It was absolutely amazing.

Now, I want to talk to you about that, because I'm not. Albin, you were there. Yep, I was there with my wife. But before we get, before we get into that, I want to warn my audience today on this program. He's not here yet. So when the person is not yet here, when my guest is not yet here, I can brag on them. My guest today is Dr. Hamlin, Emery. He, I've shared this with the audience now and again over the years.

I had health problems. I've had health problems going back for decades, real serious health. health issues, chronic fatigue syndrome, tired all the time, depression, like all kinds of problems. And I went to a million doctors and eventually you get bitter because you think these doctors all have this paradigm and they kind of walk you through it and they give you this and give you that of it. And after like the fourth time you see them, they have nothing to say. Dr. Emory, Hamlin Emery, was introduced to me by some friends, very dear friends, Richard and Pam Scurry. They're now in Charleston, South Carolina. And when they came to me in 2006, we got a

doctor for you, Metaxus, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I thought, you know what, if I had a dime for every well-meaning friend that told me, we can solve your problems, we've got this great doctor. So I was really just not interested. Well, long story short, I went to see Dr. Emery, and he will describe this when he's on the air today. He does something no one does. I mean, I shouldn't say no one, but almost no one does. He does an EEG, an electro, sorry, EK, electroencephalogram. E.EG, the head where he looks at your brain waves. And he is a virtuoso who can read your brain waves and see,

well, this part of your brain, your, you know, the electricity in your alpha waves is a little low. It needs to be augmented with this. And here's the bottom line. And he'll talk about this in depth. But he has totally changed people's lives with this. And if it weren't because of, if it weren't for Dr. Emery, who will be my guest, I would never have written my book Amazing Grace, which kind of kicked off my career. Wow.

Because I, it's a long story, but he really helped me tremendously. And the more I've gotten to know what it is that he does, the more I said, how come more people don't know about this? The one thing he didn't do, though, was walk on the moon. Okay, which gets to last night. last night, Dr. Emery and his wife, Virginia, were in the audience. So many people were in the audience. And folks, if you're just listening to this program, let me just say, for 20 plus years,

I've done this thing called Socrates in the city. We tend to do it in fancy clubs in New York, usually at the Union League club. But because of the monkey pox for two years, we haven't done it. The last one we did was with Peter Thiel. So last night was our first event in over two years. And my guest was astronaut, Apollo 16 astronaut Charlie Duke. And I have to say it was one of the most delightful events I can ever remember. It was absolutely magical.

Now, Alvin, you were there with your current wife. What's her name? Anne, with an E. And so, yeah, where do we begin? I mean, first of all, at these events. Now, by the way, the audio, I'm sorry, the video of this is going to be edited. I don't know when it's going to get up. But everyone listening to me right now, you will be able to watch.

the event. And last night was the first time I did an event without the wig that people are used to seeing me in. And I think some people are going to be shocked. They will be. I think people last night, they were taken aback. They've never seen me. You did an opening monologue and laughed a lot through it, and now I'm real liking because maybe the wig was a little askew. Yeah.

It was funny. Yeah. Maybe was that. But my opening monologue was very stupid, which is my goal. was to be stupid. I think my favorite part was an idea I got from you. My idea was that Charlie Duke, my guest, he's such an august

personage. To be 86 years old, to be the youngest man ever to have walked on the moon 50 years ago, what do you call a guy like that? And he says, well, you just call me Charlie. And I thought, I can't call him Charlie. He's generally this and I said, what do you call somebody like that? And then I, taking a cue from Albin, I said, well, some people call him the space cowboy. Some people call him the gangster of love.

And by this point, people are picking up, right? But about 30% of the audience is picking up on where I'm going. And then I said, some people call him Maurice, rea-reem. Because he, whatever, it's an pompous of love. Because I'm a picker and I'm a grinner. But anyway, I like cracking jokes that only about 20% of the people get. Because it makes them feel special. And there was a guy in the audience name.

And speaking of a Steve Miller song, there was a guy in the third row named Steve Miller. In fact, he's going to be here today. Yes. He gets the Golden Hubcap Award, I think. Well, there were people from, people came from all around the country to be there last night. I mean, I was really astonished. We had two couples from Minneapolis who didn't know each other. They met each other at the patron's dinner afterward.

We had folks, our friend Martha Linder, who's in the studio today, she's from Florida. we had folks from a number of friends from Dallas. I won't say their names on the air, but it rhymes with Elizabeth Blakemore and the Wilsons. And they were there, and I don't even like them, but they showed up. And so many people came from different parts of the country. People drove down, a couple of Harvard grad students drove down from Boston that I'd never remember. I was really kind of amazed how many people had come from out of town.

Yeah. There was one guy who came up to me, and he read it. recognize me. I said, oh, do you watch Rumble? And he said, no, I heard you talking and I recognize your voice. I said, you're the guy on there with Eric, aren't you? You're kidding. I'm not kidding. From your voice? Yeah. He said, I recognize your voice from the radio. Now that is fame. That's going to go to your head, Albin. Okay. That's going to go to your head. I can get some voiceover work. There was so much, Chris Heimes was there with Tiffany, but there were so many friends from around the country and everything.

And it was just, it was one of the most wonderful events that we have ever done. And it was at the Union League Club. But we will get the video up soon because I just want people to experience it. Charlie Duke shared some things that were, it was very moving. And you realize when he shared about his father, he. He said he remembered, he got choked up when he said this. He says, when I was six years old, I remember it like was yesterday, Pearl Harbor. And he says, my father, who was 35, signed up, enlisted.

And that spirit, in a sense, informed his desire to serve his country by enrolling in the Naval Academy and then the Air Force Academy and being part of the space program. So it was very moving to hear him talk about that history. What would make you risk your life in this venture in outer space? And when he talked about going from the Wright brothers to landing on the moon in a 60 years past space? Well, he said his father was born a couple of years after the Wright brothers. Right. And his father got to watch him walk on the moon.

I mean, it's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable. It's like you try to make your father proud. I think that would do it, right? I do it. Yeah. Well, anyway, so we've got so much coming up here. So today we're talking to Dr. Hamlin and Marie, and get ready, folks.

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it's June 1st. It's very hard for me to believe that it's June 1st, but it is. It is. It's Wednesday. And, Alvin, we, in a few minutes, Dr. Hamlin, Emery will be my guest for the rest of the day. And I want to say again, folks, I don't want to say this in front of him because I don't want to embarrass him. He's a very diffident, gentlemanly person. He changed my life.

He's an amazing doctor. And what he does, nobody does. And I said, I want you to come in my life. my program because people need to hear about this. Where does he practice now? Because I looked up his bio and I thought it said something like that way. He doesn't even practice anymore. He just does it. Oh, he just does it. Yeah, he's that good. He's in like L.A., basically.

Oh, he's, I thought it was L.A. Yeah, he's in L.A. But I was going to say that, so he'll be my guest. But I want to go over a little bit last night. Now, we didn't know who was going to be there because it's a weird, you know, when you do something the day after Memorial Day, A lot of people It was just impossible for them to be there So we still had a very good crowd But it was just a weird thing

The Giuliani's were going to be there They couldn't be there Larry Cudlow was supposed to be there He couldn't be there You know like it's kind of It kind of gets crazy But there were a lot of The surprise guests

I mean you never know Who will be in a Socrates In the city audience So a lot of wonderful People showed up Yeah, we thought Buzz Aldrin or something might show up because his pal were there. Well, you know something, that's one of the things that I found interesting because Charlie's wife, Dorothy, was there. And today, June 1st, they celebrate their 59th wedding anniversary.

So it was so wonderful to meet her. And their son, Tom, was there. And so it was kind of interesting. But one of the things I found funny is that Charlie was saying, like, his kids, You know, everywhere he goes, people are impressed. He walked on the moon. He said his kids were never impressed because everybody in the neighborhood walked on the moon. He says, Neil Armstrong lived a few houses down and so and so, all that again.

And it was like the astronaut neighborhood. Yeah. And everybody there was involved in the space program. That's right. If you didn't walk on the moon, there was something wrong with you. It was kind of... Underachiever. It was kind of incredible.

But I think part of what moves me about that it was... You want to say that it was a more innocent... time in America where the whole country could get behind something so beautiful. Yeah. That it was just, it really was beautiful. So we are going to get it edited and we will get it up so everybody can watch it. I promise you, folks, it was pretty amazing. Yeah, I loved his closing remarks because you were wrapping it up and you said, like, can I just say one last thing here?

Yeah, he said that. Yeah, that's what he said. Yeah. And he talked about the fact when we were basically younger, we were all, you know, literally and figuratively shooting from the moon. We had these big dreams, and there was a whole team effort, and everybody in America was behind the space program, and we're going to do this thing. And it just lifted everybody's spirits.

It didn't matter what you were involved in, whether you're a writer or a basketball player or, you know, in science of some way or anything. You had a feeling I could do greater and achieve greater things. And he said, that's what's missing today. Yeah. Well, it is interesting. We're going through a hard time in America,

and last night was good in a number of ways because it reminded us of some things that I think we've, you know, we've taken our eye off those balls and we're focused on kind of what's the here and now, which a lot of it is just tremendous negativity. And I think it's mentally healthy to look at other things and to take your mind off of, you know, what's going on on social media this minute or what happened last night. It's just there's something unhealthy about that. So you mentioned Buzz Aldrin. Mm-hmm. in my monologue, you know, I always say really stupid things in the monologue. So I was talking about the fact that, you know, when I was introducing him, I said, it gets a little awkward because, like, you know, you look at the resume and you're like,

walked on the moon. And you think, is there anything else that is even worth mentioning in the resume once you've walked on the moon? You know, it's kind of like it becomes a little ridiculous. And I says the opposite of when somebody says, tell me a little bit of, bit about this guy, Adolf Hitler, and you're like, there's really not anything you need to know. He's one of the most evil men ever. He's like, it's the opposite of that. It's like you walk on the moon. We don't really need to know any other details. Like that's about it. And so, but I said to him,

so of course, I was joking around and I was saying, you know, it says he walked to the moon. I said, look, a lot of people could claim they walked on the moon. I've got some tough questions because I'm not sure, you know, people write a lot of stuff on their resumes. Come on. Let's, like, really? So I had to ask him. I said, there are loony people. I mean, because I'm on social media, there are people every now you hear from these people. They're half nuts. They actually believe that the moon landing was faked. And so I mentioned this to the 10th man who walked on the moon. Do you remember what he said? Yeah. Well, what I really liked is he kind of like, even if you thought that was possible,

he said, look, we could, we could probably fake a move landing one time. He said, we went there 12 times. How do you fake it? How do you fake it for 12 times? Yeah, they did you 12 times. It wasn't 12 times. It was just, it was, well, it was six moon landings. Oh, okay. It was seven Apollo missions that were intended to land on the moon. But before that, they, Apollo 8, Apollo 9, and Apollo 10, these were kind of like dry runs where they, you know, did an unmanned landing tester and this.

And yeah, and he said, I mean, okay, so let's say you could fake it once. Would you fake it for Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16? Like, why would we do that? We, you know. And then more and more people get involved, so somebody's going to squeal and say, look, I'm the guy to put up the green screen, okay, that's me. But if you want to know what kind of a broken world we live in, the fact that there are people dumb enough to think that it was fake.

I mean, they're out there. I'm sure some of them are listening to this program right now. And I think to myself, they are so, to me, it's arrogance, actually, like that they kind of like, no, no, no, I know better. I know better than everybody. And it's like, well, no, actually, you're wrong. wrong. Number one, you're wrong. Number two, what gives you the idea that based on such limited information? But there are people I've encountered them. When I speak on my book as atheism dead,

I encounter flatterthers. I've encountered them. And they have this chip on their shoulder. And I thought to myself, wow, what world are you living in? And it's a very, it's sobering to think that there are people who actually are operating on this level, that they believe that this is fake or whatever it is. But what cracked me up, you mentioned Buzz Aldrin. He said that a guy came up to Buzz Aldrin and would not let it go and said, you're

a fraud, you didn't walk on the moon. He says, Buzz Aldrin decked him. Yeah. Buzz Aldrin knocked him in the jaw because he was, can you imagine risking your life, go to the moon, and then he have some guy in your face, like, you didn't do it. It's baloney. Yeah. Well,

that was the other thing I thought was really amazing. You know, somebody, if they threw the winning touchdown in the Super Bowl, they said, that's my life. I'm going to have that trophy forever, and that's coming out. He walked on the moon, right? And he said, that still wasn't enough. I felt empty somehow.

Well, that's at the end. Yeah, he shares his faith and how he was, once you walk on the moon, you kind of, you're like, what's next? What's next? And I think it led him to real misery. He shared about his wife. She was suicidal. She was miserable. Their marriage was falling apart.

And he shared about his faith. So anyway, as I say, we will get it up. Now, there's always, after the Socrates event, we have a patron's dinner because a number of people, you know, have written checks to make it possible for us to do this because the $100 ticket or whatever we charge. It never covers it because we've got to film it. We've got to do all this. We've got staff. So at the patrons dinner, people get to ask him some questions. And a couple people said, when you were on the moon, did you, you know, what was it like sleeping on the moon and did you dream?

and he said, nope, I didn't dream, but he shared some crazy stuff. But then he says, but you know what? I was on the island of Maui or something like a year or two before we went to the moon. Like I knew that I was going to be on Apollo 16. And he shared something, and I think he shocked all of us. There were 40 people at the patron's dinner. And he said, I had a dream that I was on the moon in the lunar rover, which is the car that they drove up there this like dune buggy.

And he goes, I was with my partner, Young, whatever, who was driving this, this thing. And he says, we came upon a set of tracks. This is a dream that he had like a year or two before going in the moon and actually doing this, right? He says, we came upon a set of tracks. And we contacted Houston. And we said, we found some tracks here. And we followed the tracks. And we found a lunar vehicle just like ours with two people in it.

and we walked over to it and we looked in and he says and it was me dead oh gosh that's wow now when he shared this I thought this is a twilight zone yep that's what it sounds like and this is a dream that he had

over a year before he went to the moon so it was totally vivid yeah and he experienced so when he shared at the whole table we were a god listening to this because I thought to me it seems like kind of a demonic thing right where You know, you have a dream like that.

You think, well, I'm not going to the moon. I'm going to die up there and stuff like that. But he shared some stuff like that. Anyway, look, we're going to, when we come back, we've got our friend, Dr. Hamlin, Emery. And by the way, you get $50 because you said a gog. A gog. It's one of those words. We have Dr. Hamlin, Emery, who was there last night, and I'm excited to talk to him.

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I know, and I wish the video were up. It takes time to get that edited and everything. But there were so many people I was saying from out of town, a number of people from. California, Minnesota, whatever. So anyway, I was just thrilled that you were there. I want to talk about what you do. In the introduction a moment ago, I was trying to explain it to my audience. It says here, I can read the official description of who you are.

Dr. Hamlin Emery practices child-adult neuropsychiatry using lab tests, medical history, and E-E-G-Q-E-E-G profiles to effectively treat mental distress. Let me translate that, and then you respond, because that's the main thing I want to talk about is what it is that you do. I was mentioning earlier a number of years ago, our friends, the scurries contacted me, and so we've got this doctor for you. And at first I was reluctant because everybody's got a doctor for you. If you're suffering from something, everybody's got cheap, easy answers.

And they tend not to be aware that everybody else has cheap, easy answers. They think they're the only ones. And so in this case, though, it happened to have a very happy ending because what you do helped me very significantly. So to sum up what you do, the way I would describe it to somebody, and then I want you to respond, obviously. But I had an EEG, an electroencephalogram, a brain wave. test. The brain wave test is sent to you, Dr. Emery, and you, from many, many years of experience reading EEG printouts, looking at these brain waves, you can diagnose what a person's brain chemistry might require to be optimized. In other words, when you looked at my mind,

brainwave you said, oh, I've got very, very high alpha waves, the amplitude, and you need, you know, you've got too much energy here. You've got to, and I was fascinated because I'd never heard any of this. But the proof is in the pudding. You prescribed some stuff that helped me very significantly where no doctor had been able to help me before. So why don't we start with, how did you get into this method? of treating people?

I think it began just instinctively when I was an adult because I had been born with a birth defect, my right sternal cladomasteroid muscle part of it was fibotic and until I was age 10

I had a tilt. I had tortacolus and my head leaned slightly to the right and I was teased by my peers. They thought that I was just adopting a cocky pose and at age 10 I reduced weight significantly and the tortacolus which is what my diagnosis was, became more evidence. I went to the hospital in Richmond, Virginia, and had the procedure, I was eager. Wait a minute, I'm sorry, you said you gained weight or you lost weight. I reduced weight. Why? I think I was portly, and I wanted to become athletic. Okay, so this, of has nothing to do with your, the stabilitating thing. At some point, it enabled you to have an operation to fix this. It made the fibroatic section of my right muscle.

You know, the largest muscle in the side of our neck is the sternocytomastered muscle. So it became more obvious as a result of the weight loss. And? And my parents took me to an orthopedic surgeon, and of course he agreed that I should have the procedure to have my head become orthogonal to my body, meaning 90 degrees, you know, the way you're looking at me now. Right. So you were able to have this corrected at age 10. So suddenly it's corrected. instead of having your head tilted, your head is straightforward, and then what happened? Well, I noticed something from the moment I returned home, and what I noticed had not been anticipated by the surgeon,

but I noticed that my visual field tilted downhill to the left. Okay, so your brain did not correct. Your brain was still stuck on, my head is tilted, it had established itself that way, so when they fix the physical thing, the brain is still perceiving things askew. That's right, because when I became orthogonal or 90 degrees, which is what is normal, and everyone takes for granted, then reality tilted downhill to the left. We're going to go to a break, didn't realize it, we'll be right back. Hey there, folks. Eric Metax is here. As you know, our friend, and he's a real friend,

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promo code Eric at MyPillow.com or call 800-978-3057. 8057. 800-978 3057. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to my friend, Dr. Hamlin. Emory, so Dr. Emery, you're describing what got you started on this path. And so you just described that as a 10-year-old, your head was askew. You had a problem. It's corrected surgically. Now your head is straight on, but your brain is still sideways. But how does that at age 10 affect, how did that affect what you do? did in the future as a doctor. I'm not clear on that. Well, I was thinking introspectively, I was observing the fact that, though my head was 90 degrees and was erect, what happened, what I found was that my visual field tilted downhill

to the left somewhat. I didn't measure it, but it was noticeable to me. And I reasoned that the orthopedic surgeon wouldn't be interested in it. I didn't want my parents to work. So you weren't just extremely brainy. You were arrogant. A 10-year-old who thinks he knows better than the orthopedic surgeon, don't you find this funny?

Now that you're 80 or whatever, don't you find it funny that the 10-year-old you is perceiving it this way? Yes, but I'm like that. I'm like that. I call it my woman's intuition. So you didn't tell your surgeon what was happening? No. Did your brain eventually correct this? Yes. Of course it did.

How long did it take? About two years, a little less than two years. Two years for your brain to catch up with this. Isn't this just crazy? Two years to become orthogonal or right. Which is, at least it's evidence of the plasticity of the brain. Correct. But it is also evidence that plasticity can take a while. Can, but I've only had an N of one myself. I didn't know anyone else who had done this, obviously.

I still know everybody who doesn't. Okay, but for my audience who doesn't know you, you now, you have spent decades dealing with the brain. That's true. And I guess this was your inciting incident 70 years ago that got you kicked off. off into thinking about these things, but you were a doctor for a time in Vietnam. Yes. You were in Vietnam in the 70s? Yeah, with the Marine Corps.

With the Marines. And after doing that, I was rewarded by being made, the medical director of a hospital in Italy. The hospital is still operative. It's Cigonella, Naval Air Base. That was their idea of a reward? It sounds like being a doctor in Italy would be pretty good, actually, right? Could be worse. Okay, so, but at what point, now I should mention this to my audience, the book you've written, it's titled Hard to Swallow, from Superstition to Psychiatry.

Hard to Swallow by Dr. Hamlin Emery, E-M-M-O-R-Y. Excuse me, I think, how do you, at what point? point did you as a doctor, what kind of a doctor were you before you got involved in what you're doing right now? A general medical doctor, a GP. And at what point did something happen to get you started on reading EEGs, electroencephalograms, and doing what you now do? When did that happen for you? I think it was the result of my experience as a general medical doctor. in charge of a naval hospital in Italy. At the time, I was attempting to help active duty military personnel and their families.

And so some of the persons had mental problems. They had behavioral problems. And so I began to invite such persons into my office. and I began to discuss their concerns in more detail, and that became appealing to me. So I began to think about possibly becoming a psychiatrist. I also had the benefit of a psychiatrist of some renowned, and he was an expert in drug and alcohol.

addiction and I he became a mentor of mine I would And who's that? That was Joseph Perch Joseph Perch. Joseph Perch

P-R-S-C-H and he was a very congenial and erudite gentleman who was in charge of a naval hospital in Naples and so I would fly up occasionally to Naples and make rounds with him.

And I did this, oh, maybe once every month. And this guy you interested in psychiatry? Well, part of the reason that I wanted to talk to you is because part of what made me happy to have met you was not just that you have this new way of dealing with things and that you helped me significantly, but you actually care. You actually took the trouble to try to figure out. what most other doctors had, I think, been not interested enough in taking the time to figure out. They kind of throw some stuff at you, then they try something else, and then they sort of shuffle you off somehow.

They're not really committed to helping you. They're not committed to figuring it out. And that's what I saw in you. And that's, as I read your book, and again, folks, the book is called Hard to Swallow from Superstition to Psychiatry. In Hard to Swallow, you tell some of these cases where nothing else had worked and you dig a little deeper. And ultimately, and correct me if I'm summing things up incorrectly, but you determined that everyone's brain is unique and that you can't throw the same solutions at every problem because some people's brain chemistry, which you see with these brain waves. You say, no, no, no, this won't work for you.

You need to try this. And our friend Richard Scurry, he had heart issues, and he was on a certain medication. And so doctors throw these medications at you, and what you do is you say, well, wait a moment, based on your brain chemistry, based on the EEGs, that won't be good for you. That can cause other problems. You need to try this or this or this. We're going to go to another break. But I want to say that that's what makes you virtually unique. And if it hadn't helped me so dramatically, I wouldn't have you on here to talk about it.

But I know you've helped a lot of other people. I want to get to that. When we come back, we're talking to Dr. Hamlin Emery. The book is hard to swallow from superstitionist psychiatry. A lot of ground to cover. Talking to Dr. Hamlin, Emery, the book is hard to swallow from superstition of psychiatry. Okay. You said in the break that when your neck problem was corrected and your head gets straight and you lose this weight,

It changed your whole view of yourself. And I guess what you're saying, in effect, is that you can achieve miracles with people when the right doctor or when the right procedure. You can change people's lives. And that's what you have been doing. In other words, this happened to you as a young man, but you've now been doing that. And I also want to say that your wife, Virginia, was saying that you don't just do EEGs. is you do a full physical, so you're doing all of that stuff. But the bottom line, again, I'm summing up because this is kind of complicated,

but you really do believe that once you get somebody's vitals and all this information plus the EEG, you're able often to see something that others have not seen. You're able to put your finger on something. And you tell the story and hard to swallow. Lives have been changed. I mean, you have absolutely been able to change lives with what you see that others haven't seen. Well, yes. I mean, the very fortunate circumstance is that 52% of the brain's energy powers the automatic circuits,

not the voluntary, but the automatic. You've already lost me. You could do that in seconds. You just lost me in seconds. 52% of the brain's energy, powers the automatic circuits in the brain. Versus the voluntary. Yeah, 48.

Yeah. If you had said involuntary, then I would have been tracking. So the blood flow in the human brain is just slightly tilted or invested in the automatic circuits rather than the voluntary. Okay. And that's very important. It should make us humble because we don't have to attend to breathing. We don't have to attend to informing our heart to pump. All of that is done automatically, correct?

Correct. And whether we are composed with the parasympathetic system in ascendance or whether we are running from a moose into grand titans, in which case this so-called sympathetic or emergency fight-flight system is ascendant because we're going to have to evade that moose from sticking the horns in our fluffies. So you run up a boulder and wait for the moose to leave. I had that happen to me, actually. Obviously, you're not making this up.

No. So you're saying that our brains just do this. We don't need to think heart pump faster. This just happens. But how's that related to what you do? Well, I learned by trial and error and just analysis that people with so-called mental disorders, and I'm talking about persistent suffering, people who suffer with various people. disorders that psychiatrists label in the DSM, I learned that their neurophysiologic and bodily physiologic conditions were different.

And the only way I could figure out how to help them was to do reasonable pulse blood pressure monitoring and look at them comprehensively and then do the EEG. Okay, we're going to go to a break here, and I promise you, we're going to get somebody to translate all of this into English for you English speakers out there. We'll be back for a second hour. Lots ahead with Dr. Hamlin Emery. The book is hard to swallow from superstitionistency.

It's like chiatry. We'll be right back.