The Eric Metaxas Show - Dr. Hormoz Shariat (Encore)

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Dr. Hormoz Shariat of Iran Alive Ministries (Encore) https://iranalive.org/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20106240406&gbraid=0AAAAADm48r1lCBCE3epgAcXnQ5xCDlLFq&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjo7DBhCrARIsACWauSkwZHs20TMsEBJZzKGehOCXIFW2Jff7PACuwPHogWc60mfkpG6WyHMaAlChEALw_wcB

Welcome to the Eric Metaxus show. Would you consider yourself smart, insightful, precocious, astute, clever, wise beyond your years, and good at checking a thesaurus for synonyms? Well, then you've come to the right place. Here now is the handsome, attractive, striking, gorgeous, and quite frankly, breathtaking, Eric Mattaxas! Folks, welcome back. I like to talk to my friend Victoria Jackson.

And Vicki, welcome back. We only have one segment with you today. But the last time you were on, you were talking about witnessing to someone in London. You call him a street preacher, but he was preaching lunacy. This is like one of these black supremacist lunatics who claim they used to do this in Times Square. They used to have a table set up, and they're out of their minds. and they claim that black people are the actual Jews. Yes.

And he showed me verses in Isaiah and Revelation underlined. His Bible was all marked up. I took a picture of it that say that he twists. He takes out of context. He says black people, white people are going to be the slaves of the black people. That's the message of the Bible. And I'm like, I don't think that's the message of the Bible. And I read him, John 316.

I flipped to it in his own Bible. And I said, God loves everyone. Slavery is a sin. Romans 323, all of sin. Romans 623, the way of you know. I witnessed to him. And then at the end of Paul- You went to toe with a black supremacists on the streets of London.

Vicki, you're right here. You're unbelievable. Bam, bam. That's my grandma name. Bam, bam. Okay, so long story short, Paul is hovering, like protecting me because he's he was on the SWAT team he's hovering over there and um the black supremacists had a guy hovering too to protect him i guess but anyway we ended up shaking hands and i looked him in the eye and

said well if i'm going to be a slave i i hope i'm a good slave and um i was thinking of ephesian 6 where god says if you're born if you're born a slave and you get a chance to be free be free but if you're born a slave, be the best one you can be for the glory of God, whatever you're born into, whatever you're, you know, because we're all born. Are you sure that's in Ephesians? I don't remember this now, even though I read Ephesians out loud in Ephesus. Yes, yes. It's Ephesians six in the middle. But anyway, long story short, we're walking away to this comedy store in London where I'm going to try to do five minutes. And I go, the next day we're packing. And I go, Paul, what is that thing? or the black people say they're Israel and the whites are going to be slated.

He goes, BLT, black liberation theology. No, it's not that. It's not? I don't think so, no. I go, Paul, that's it. Black liberation theology and Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who was Obama's pastor, was preaching that. That's different. No, that's different.

It's different? I think it's different, yeah. Black supremacists, there's something that, I don't know what they're called, but they're like the black Israelites or something like that. It's different. I don't think they're different. It's equally wrong. And Cookey.

Look, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. But go ahead. We'll look it up. We'll Google it. But it's false doctrine. Whatever it is, it's false doctrine. But I was thinking, oh, that's what Obama was his preacher was preaching.

It's very similar. I think it might be the same. Anyway. It's not. It's not. Okay, I want to show you, I got this in Greece. How cute is that? Wait a minute.

That is beautiful. On a radio show or in a podcast, people can't see that. But if they're watching this, we said, folks, if you want to see these videos, you get to see Vicki, you get to see me. It's just like you get to see stuff. And then when people hold up props, as Vicki is doing, you get to see all this stuff. So you have to watch the videos. We're putting the videos out.

But you've got to be signed up to Ericmantax.com. Go to Ericmantaxas.com. sign up for our newsletters and we will send you all this stuff. So Vicki, that what you showed me the thing, that's actually a beautiful little painting. That is actually beautiful. Showed again. Yes, it reminded me of my new grandson. We have old girls and we finally got a boy grandbaby and he's eight months old. And I, oh, I also didn't show you this. This is, I found a hand, another handstand in Greece. Oh my gosh, you got that in Creek. Yes, it's a replica of this picture on the wall.

2,000 year old picture on the wall. No, no, it's way older than 2,000 years. That's closer to 4,000 years old. This is 4,000 years old. Well, not what you're holding. Not what you're holding, but the original paintings of that are closer to 4,000 years old. Yeah, that's from, that's Minoan culture from around 1900 BC. Well, you know everything.

Okay, so anyway, yesterday we come back from, we're back from our trip, and we missed Father's Day, and we missed our grandchild Joy's birthday. She's from China, adopted, and she can't hear, but now she can, but she has a thing on here. Well, anyway, so Paul's opening his Father's Day present, and then he's like, oh, a T-shirt, and then they go, here's one for you, Mom, and then I open it, and it says, bam bam and i can't tell what it says it says of five and i go what's that what's this i thought it was magic markers my my youngest daughter is pregnant for the first time oh wait a minute wait a minute you mean to tell me that the shirt said bam bam of five which means grandma of five yeah and i'm already a grandma of four and so the bam bam of five meant that was their way of telling you hey guess what Yes, and then they had three of these pregnancy tests.

And then I wasn't thinking about babies. I was thinking about Istanbul. I was telling them about my trip. And this was three pregnancy tests. I thought they were magic markers. And then I go, because my daughter, Aubrey just had a miscarriage. And now she's pregnant two months and we're very, very excited about it. What a happy news.

God is blessing us so much. I have stage four cancer, and this has been like the funnest year of my life. How does God do that? God is amazing. You know, Vicki, listen, when you, we didn't share about this, but the last day of the cruise, I gave my talk, and then I called you up to the stage, and you did solid comedy and sang a beautiful song. Suzanne was weeping.

Other people were weeping. It was very beautiful and very moving. And I know we captured it on video. But that was so amazing that you got up and that people could hear from you at the end of everything. Because I gave six talks and this was the last one. And we carved out time at the end. So you can put that in your film? Yes.

If I have your permission. Well, let me talk to my lawyers. Okay. my permission. I just talked to him. Thank you. Yeah, I wanted to make this little film just for fun. And my book called Not Dead Yet. My Handstands and Poetry of My Whole Life is coming out. I'm self-publishing it. It'll be on Amazon in a couple months. Are you sure you want to self-publish it? Because I think that it might, what's your title? Not Dead yet. And then the last poem is, not dead yet never will be because jesus died and rose for me you you shared that um when when you

were on the stage right uh i i can't remember but i did sing my expiration date song but your your poetry is is really good i mean you know you you pretend to be a ditsy airhead and some of that is real but most of that is real because you're very smart and nobody could write clever, witty poetry and song lyrics if they're a ditsy airhead. And I think you realize that. You're very sharp. You skipped the grade. Yes, second grade. And you skipped first grade? I skipped first grade. But I mean, skipping a grade is a big deal. Like the fact that you skipped the grade? You know, at that young age, they're saying like, hey, wait a minute. That's pretty interesting. A publisher who would publish my book because I don't think my Christian publisher

wants to do the handstand thing. I mean, one of the handstands, I'm in a bikini, but it was because I was a teeny. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I got a lot of Muslim readers and a lot of Muslim, I'm not, we're not going to have that. We're not going to have it on this program. Absolutely not.

My dad. I might be kidding. I might be kidding. But we're at a time. I just love talking to you, Vicki, and just so grateful for you. My sister, God bless you. You too. ingredients. When I flip a container around and I can't pronounce or recognize the ingredients,

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Yes. Oh, spiritually, yes. But you, now you've been ministering, just give us a little bit of your background. You've been on the program before, but, you know, we have new listeners. What is your background and what got you into ministering to your people? Briefly, I was born in Iran as a Muslim. I came to U.S. for graduate studies, for Ph.D. program at the University of Southern California. And there I started comparing the Bible and Quran. Before when I was in Iran,

I was on streets of Tehran, a young student and 79 shouting death to America, death to America. But the Lord has changed my heart since then. But I came to U.S. I compared the Bible and Quran. And I came to Christ through that. And my life was changed such a dramatic, supernatural way that I felt I need to share this message with everybody. I'm selfish if I don't do that. So that's the start of my ministry. Well, and again, you've shared that on the program when you've been here before, but it's very exciting because I think, you know, the idea that you are from Iran in 1979,

you were one of these people shouting death to America. And then you come to America, God totally, dramatically, miraculously changes your heart. and now you've spent a very, very long time bringing Jesus to Muslim people in Iran. I mean, this is an amazing thing. Just because of the current events, I want to ask you, what is your sense of what is happening in Iran? The last time you were on the program, you were talking about so many Iranians that are accepting the gospel of Jesus being converted. But of course, this kind of thing has to be kept quiet. you're not going to hear it from the state-run media in Iran.

They are very upset about this. You don't even care if they know about it. You just want it to be happening. But what is your sense of where things are in Iran? Do you think that the Mullahs, as many of us would hope, are weakening and that something is going on in Iran right now? They have been weekend for the outside forces, like they have lost their proxies. This war, the military and nuclear sites were destroyed.

But they are telling the government of Iran, telling the own people, hey, we might be weaker outside, but we are strong towards you, just there to protest. And they are proactively, they're afraid that people will come on streets during this time. So the last two weeks, proactively, they're arresting people and executing people. including Christians. I mean, they are clinging to power, obviously, with everything they have. Do you have some sense that regime change is possible? Now, I have publicly said I don't think the United States should be involved overtly or militarily in regime change just because it tends not to go well.

But I know that for many, many years, there are many Iranians who are not excited about being under the theocracy of the mullahs. Do you have any sense of what is possible? I mean, realistically, not just to say it because we hope it can happen, but do you have any sense of that? Yes. Realistically, there are scenarios where the government, Yvonne can change. But uprising of the people to change the government, very, very unlikely. So what are the other scenarios? The Supreme Leader may die, or there might be a coup d'etat with a Revolutionary guards against it. Those are the more possible ways for the government to come down.

Well, the Revolutionary Guard, are they, you know, because obviously in other parts of the Middle East, we have seen leaders overthrown to be replaced, you know, not by Benjamin Franklin and John Adams, but to be replaced by different kinds of theocratic troublemakers, just a different brand. And, you know, we've seen that in Libya with Gaddafi. We've seen that in Syria. We've seen that in Iraq, in Afghanistan. We don't see what we might hope that we would have, you know, Nasser or somebody who would want to bring about to have something like a Western democracy. So when you talk about the Iranian military, are there forces there?

that would bring us to something that looks like a Western-style democracy, or would it simply be another group of militant Islamists? First, you have to understand where the people of Iran are. So they have rejected Islam for 80% of the people. So they don't want any religious government. they want secular, they want democracy American stuff. They look up to America. So if this happens that the revolutionary guards will do a coup d'etal,

they will bring a secular democracy government to please people. Otherwise, they will be in big trouble. So they will side with people against the molas. To side with people is here. We are your heroes. We destroy these molas. now we brought a secular democracy in Iran. They become the heroes.

That's the only way they can succeed. Well, this sounds hopeful to me, I have to say. I guess I'm wondering, is the son of the Shah a candidate to be part of this leadership? He is the most possible candidate, but not everybody is for him. He will not automatically become the leader of Iran. be fighting, in fighting. Unfortunately, if the government of Iran doesn't fall, it's bad. This current government is going to start a new wave of persecution of all its opposition, including Christians. If this government stays, you will see they will kill tens of thousands

of their opponents just to bring stability for their power. But if it falls, Then we will run into another type of crisis in Iran. You mentioned democracy does not work in the Middle East because you have to have a certain values, a certain culture that the democracy can grow in. And Middle East doesn't have it. And you have seen it. Try to bring democracy in Middle East is fruitless. Unless the people change.

The same in Iran. If the government falls, you will see in fighting, you will see more suffering of the people. But this time, right now, the government is killing people. Later, the people will be killing people. So it's not an easy path either way. But the people prefer the second way. He said, let's get rid of this. Then we will talk to what we can do next.

One point I have to make, in either way, we, Christians, Iran alive, we have to. have a mission. If the government doesn't fall, they're going to be persecution. So we're going to focus on evangelism and online church planting. If the government falls, we have certain plans. We will go and do on the ground, not on under the ground, on the ground, church planting. So either way, we Christians have an important mission. Whatever happens, we have a mission, and we have to adjust our ways to what's happening in the way. world. But Iran, for many years, at least a few years ahead, is going to be suffering. Either the government falls or doesn't fall, people of Iran will continue to suffer one way or another.

I have to ask you, because there's been so much controversy about, you know, President Trump doing the strikes on the nuclear facilities, the three big nuclear facilities. Many people have said, and I'm inclined to believe it, that Iran was not only on the path to develop nuclear weapons, but would not that the current regime would not hesitate to use those weapons to wipe out Israel. Do you have a sense of that? Do you think that people are just saying this, or do you think that this is in fact true? True and true. It's obvious. You don't need to have spies in Iran to find out that they're doing nuclear development. Just love. They have spent $200 billion for nuclear development and they're underground.

Why are the underground if you're not building a nuclear bomb? And Iranians right now, they lack electricity. They say, oh, you're doing this for electricity. There are many cities in Iran don't have electricity. If they spend only 10% of that money, Iran will be selling electricity. So just looking at what it is, no, they have. and they are developing nuclear bomb. And the dangerous thing is this, Eric, during the Soviet Union and U.S., there was a mutual assured destruction, which if the U.S. nuclear bomb, both of us will suffer.

But with Iranian government theology, that doesn't work. Okay. When we come back, I want to go over that, because that's a very important point. I've made that point, and I'm afraid that It's true. We'll be right back talking to Dr. Hormos, Shariat. He's the head of Iran Alive Ministries. I'm talking to my friend, Dr. Hormos, Shariat, the founder and president of Iran Alive Ministries. We're talking about what's happening in Iran right now. And you just said what I have been thinking, Hormos, that when we're dealing with the Iranian mullahs, they are not being logical. So mutually assured destruction does not work because they have a death wish, because they're theocratic lunatics inspired by Satan happy to wipe out the world and themselves. They have an apocalyptic view.

The Soviet Union did not have that. They were atheists. They wanted power. Putin doesn't have that view. When you're dealing with these people, even though your enemies, you can deal logically. When you're dealing with the regime in Iran right now, you're not. And so that's what's so fascinating to me that people don't seem to understand that these people aren't like us.

They would be very happy if they could create a nuclear weapon to take out Israel just for the joy of killing every Jew they can kill. And if they are wiped out, they don't care. In other words, this is a, this is the definition of religion. fanaticism, the kind that many leftist secularists would say Christians are like that. Christian nationalists are just like, of course, we're nothing like this. We're not even Christian nationalists, but they impute that kind of thinking to Christians. But in fact, in this case, it is true, which is why Iran developing nuclear weapons is an existential threat to Israel.

This is a reality. We're not just making this up. That's right. You have to realize that, first, the Iranian government are separate from Iranian people. So it's Iranian government that wants to destroy Israel. Most Iranian people say, we love Israel. Why should we destroy them? They haven't done anything to us. It's you, the clerics. You are the ones who have hurt us and killed our loved ones. You have made our lives miserable. So you are our enemy, not Israel. That's the people of Iran. So what's the theology of Shiite Islam is two things. One is that the return of Mahdi that if the world comes to this chaos, then he will return. That's their Messiah, which when you look at their Messiah, the characteristics of their Messiah is more like Antichrist in the

Bible. And so another thing is that when the nuclear bomb, let me share this. One of the clerics said this in Iran. When, not if, when we have nuclear bomb, we should use it against Israel because it's a great deal. Why? Because we will kill one million of them in one day and they all go to hell. Of course, they're going to retaliate and kill one million of us in one day and we all go to heaven. What a great deal.

So the theology kind of encourages them to use nuclear bomb. And that's very real and that's very dangerous. So Iran not having nuclear bomb is safe, not just for Israel. Israel and U.S. are doing a favor not just to protect Israel, but protect the world. Because when Iranian government has the nuclear bomb, it's going to use it to bully its way around the world. Well, again, there's so many. people that are that are so naive, conservatives and liberals. I mean, mostly liberals, but they're very naive. They don't seem to understand that there is genuine ideological fanaticism in the world.

Adolf Hitler is a classic example. Why would he expend unbelievable effort, money to murder millions of women and children? It doesn't make logical sense, but some people are not logical. They're driven by, in this case, a satanic fanaticism. And this is a reality in history, but they're people that they see history through a secular lens. They're not capable really of seeing things like this. They think that everybody thinks the way we do. And in fact, that's not the case. So thank you for helping us understand this, because this is very, very real. And I'm fascinated that you said 80%, I've heard this figure, 80% of the Iranian people do not want the current leadership. What an amazing thing to have these theocratic fanatics ruling people who don't want them there.

I mean, it's just an extraordinary situation. I want to pivot in the time we have left to the work that you're doing. Iran Alive Ministries. How do you reach the people in Iran? We use media, but it's just a front tool. We are working on the ground in Iran. We are training leaders, training pastors all over. So the tool is media.

Number one is satellite television, which the signals go over the heads of the mullahs in the privacy of people's homes. And the government, everyone cannot stop it. This signal is coming from the sky. We have an online ministry, but that's easy to shut down. The last two weeks, the government has shut down the Internet. So very easy to shut down or control. So we use both to reach. And now we are good at evangelism.

God has given us a grace for evangelism. Many, many are coming to Christ. We just passed over 110,000 registered salvation. And every month, over 1,200 new salvations. And we need to take care of them. So we have online courses, online churches. We have underground. But people of Iran are scared to go to underground church.

Because they say, if I go to underground church, the pastor there doesn't know much more than I do. And by the way, going to an underground church in Iran is punishable long jail sentence. Did you know just last month, several people, including a young mother with the baby, she was sentenced to 17 years in jail. Forgive me. I want to, we're going to go to a break. But when we come back, I want to hear this story.

Folks, you've got to hear that. We'll be right back. the black for the poor and the hopeless hungry side of town. Welcome back. I'm talking to Dr. Hormos Shariat, founder and president of Iran, Alive Ministries. And you were just sharing what life is like in Iran for people who come to faith in Jesus. And you have made clear that many, many, many Iranians believe in Jesus. This is an extraordinary thing. You've been a huge part of what God has done over there for How many years have you been doing this?

25 years on the air. 25 years on the air in Iran. It's amazing that you're able to do an end run around, you know, the official media and to reach the actual people of Iran. But you said that just before we went to the break, that the Mullahs are so threatened by Christian faith, as they should be, of course, that a woman recently was sentenced to 17. years in prison for what? Yeah, this young lady, and there were several, but this young lady really touched my heart because she just had a baby,

and they, 17 years, year in jail, why? Do you know what her crime was? Her crime was attending a house church, attending a house church. That's why we have house churches, but the fastest growing segment of our ministry is online teaching. online training. We have an online school with 4,700 students, and many are knocking at our door.

Please train us, train us. So an online church is growing. And we are ready for the Iran to open up, open up, and we go, we gather, and we start planting churches. So this is a great field. There's open heaven, but we cannot do it alone. This is a time to make history in Iran. I'm talking spiritually. both politically, but spiritually. Iran is the most open country to the gospel, has the fastest-going evangelical population to the world. Let's not miss this opportunity. Let's not miss this window.

Let's work together to make Iran a Christian nation. You say, Christian nation? Really? I say, yes, it's a promise of God in Jeremiah, 49, 38, that eventually Iran will be saved and be a Christian nation. So let's work together towards that. I encourage people to go on our website, Iranolive.org, sign up. You will get updates and you get a lot of testimonies to encourage you.

You will hear things you don't hear in the news. And come and join us. Let us make a difference. Let us make history in Iran. This is the time to change the destiny of Iran and the Middle East. And we need help. We need you to come along. Yeah.

Well, and it's Iranalive. dot org, iranolive.org, Iranelive.org. I have to say, you know, many people like me have said, we don't want the United States to try to do regime change militarily, but we need to pray for regime change. We need to pray for revival in Iran. I mean, if there were regime change and there was religious liberty. Ladies and gentlemen, think about this. If there was religious liberty where it would not be illegal to attend a church in Iran, suddenly it would be a new day. And so these are things we can do. So obviously, if you want to be part of this, praying for Iran, praying for regime change, for God's will for the people of Iran, we're asking you to go to

Iranelive.org to get updates because we get encouraging. when we know actually what's going on, we know the stories, because there's no doubt in my mind, and I know in yours, Hormose, that it's the Lord's will that people hear the good news, that people come to faith in Jesus. And it's been happening. But what would it be like if there were regime change and that the new regime would allow religious liberty? This is, I mean, this is an amazing thing. listen, America is not an officially Christian nation, but we have religious liberty. And so the church is the strength of the nation just has been in many places in history. If you have enough religious liberty just to allow the people of God to be the people of God, you see miracles. So I hope people will be part of praying for your ministry and for the people of Iran. What is some of the, are you in touch with people there? Are you able to be in touch with people? there who have been there now? Yes, daily. Of course, we broadcast since the war started,

we have a daily broadcast live, that prime time in Iran. And internet has been on and off, but we are in touch. We have many, many leaders in Iran. When it's on, we just connect and we talk and we plan what to do. They are okay, except one of them was arrested last week, a young lady who is an amazing leader in our media department. Please pray for her. And they may take her for long term. But we ask her, clean up your room. Clean up your house. Give your cell phone away.

And she did. So they haven't found anything against her, but she still has to go to court and answer questions. So we are very careful. We are telling our leaders to be careful and to be alert. But at the same time, through media, we are telling the Christians in Iran, hey, this is suffering. There is bad times. But God is with us. The darker in Iran, yes, you need to be light in the darkness. So go out and share the gospel. And people are. They receive comfort. They receive peace. They receive hope. They receive love from Jesus. And they go out and pass it on to others. So we are seeing more people coming to Christ even through these hard times.

It's unbelievable. I think for many people in the West in the United States, it's almost impossible to believe that this is going on. And it's why I wanted to have you back on the program, because this is amazing, folks, but it's real. There are people in places like Iran and China and other places who are serious Christians. They have come to faith. They're sharing their faith, even though they will be persecuted if they're caught doing that. And it's just, it's just a beautiful thing. So Hormoz, I just want to say thanks for the work that you're doing. And I want to encourage people to go to the website, Iranalive.org. Yeah. It is, it is amazing. But it gives us hope that we can pray for Iran. We can pray for regime change.

And we can see miracles in our time. I've been talking about this a lot, that we should expect to see miracles. Things happen, folks. Good things can happen. Miracles are happening a lot. I wish I had that program just to tell you miracles. If I tell you, you would say, really? This is Book of Acts.

I said, no. I want to keep you over. We have one more short segment, and maybe you can tell one of those miracle stories. Folks, we'll be right back talking to Dr. Hormoz Shariat of Iran Alive Ministries. Welcome back. Final segment with our friend, Dr. Hormos Shariat of Iran Alive Ministries. Before we end today, Hormos, you said that there are miracles happening. I'm not surprised when people are being persecuted.

God does miraculous things. So anything along those lines that you can share, we'd love to hear it. Well, let me share one. One of our leaders said she was praying and that God used me. And at night she had a dream that she needs, the next day she needs to go to a specific park, specific bench. and there will be a lady there she needs to share the gospel and take a Bible. So she

did that. As next day she was approaching, she saw a lady sitting on the same bench she saw in a dream. And as she was approaching, the lady gets up and runs, hey, where is my Bible? Where is my Bible? Are you Christian? And so, how did you know? And the lady said,

I saw a dream last night, that I need to come and sit on this chair, on this bench. And God will come and somebody will share the good news about God with me and will bring me a book, bring me a Bible. And he showed me your face also. I saw you in my dream last time.

So when I saw you far, I knew that's you. I knew God sent you. Now give me a Bible and tell me about Jesus. So this is like the work of the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts. By the way, we have so many, I know our time is short, so many, so many news, so many testimonies. I encourage you to come and join and get updates, sign up. One easy way to get updates. Can I share that?

Instead of going to the website, just text the word Iran, I-R-A-N-I-R-A-N, Iran, to this number. 8-5-789. 85-78-9. Just to just text Iran. You get a set-of-links. Some great testimonies right there, a link to our website and everything you may need. So please do that. Text Iran to 85789.

85789. Thank you. Yeah, I think that, I mean, this is what's so encouraging is to get these kinds of updates. So, folks, if you want to do that, I mentioned the website is Iranulive.org. But if it's easier for you on your phone, just to text the word Iran, you know how to spell Iran, I-R-A-N, to 857-8-9, Iran to 857-8-9. Hormose, it's always very encouraging to speak with you. And what you just said about this dream, I want to challenge people. Folks, miracles are real.

Miracles are real. God does them. Hormose is not lying when he tells this story. I have had miraculous experiences. I wrote a whole book called Miracles. If you want to read my book, this is just real. These things are real. And I believe God wants us to be encouraged.

that this stuff is real. So pray, be informed. Hormo is just a joy to speak with you. Thank you so much. God bless you, Eric. You're doing a great job. Actually, before I go, folks, I want to remind you about our friends

at the Herzog Foundation. Are you rethinking your child's educational path? You probably should be. If you're not doing homeschooling, everybody knows doing homeschooling, it's amazing. And people say, I'm not qualified. If you're smart enough to think you're not qualified,

you're qualified. Believe me, you have no idea. If you want to know more about how to do this kind of thing, let me direct you to the Herzog Foundation, Hertzog Foundation.com. Herzogfoundation.com. The Trump administration, of course, is working to abolish the Federal Department of Education.

Hooray, that's great. We need to send education back to the states. But the more local, the better. Home schooling is fantastic. genuine Christ-centered K-12 education is fantastic. If you want to know more, again, Herzog Foundation.com. They are our friends.

We trust them, and they're there to help you. So check it out, Herzog Foundation.com. They also have a newsletter, reed-lion, readlion, and readlion.com, all kinds of must-read articles. You know, this is important. All right, God bless you.