The Eric Metaxas Show - Dr. James Lindsay (Encore)

Episode Date: September 17, 2023

Eric is joined by author, mathematician, and professional troublemaker, Dr. James Lindsay

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And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the Airways, Eric Matt, Texas. Hey there, folks. Right now, I want to briefly interview our friend Robert Netsley. This is something, I don't know, I get so excited about how it's possible to change the world with where our money is invested. I'll be talking about it. But there's an action point. you have to go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. I'm going to repeat this over and over.

I want everyone on this program to do it. It is free. It is free. And it is very, very important. We need to get activated, folks. We need to bust out of the inertia and we need to get activated. And so where your money is, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. That's the action point.

But let me just let me play my interview with Robert Netsley. Folks, you know that when I find the solution to a problem, I get very excited. If you've been listening to this program for a while, you know that I talk about people of faith being active in their communities, in how they spend their money, in how they vote in every way. And one of the things that got me really excited when I discovered Robert Netsley, he's with Inspire Investing, he is helping people do something which I guess we can talk about it is even better than just spending your money in good places and not spending your money in bad places. But where is your money invested?

Is it invested in companies that share your values? is your money invested in companies that are working against your values. And I would say against God's values. And so we bring him on now. Robert Nestle, welcome back. It's a pleasure to be here, Eric, as always. Thanks for having me. It's, I get excited to time I talk to you just because there's a solution, you know,

because this is the kind of thing that I would want to dream up. I would say, can't somebody figure out a way when we talk about all the money that's out there. People of faith in America, what's that? No, I'm, it wasn't saying anything. Yeah, people, people of faith in America, have a lot of money. It's not just they spend a lot of money, but they have a lot of money invested and retirement funds, whatever. And a lot of that, as I've learned in talking to you, is with companies that are really bad, that are really woke, that are working against everything we believe in. So then the question is, how do I figure that out?

How do I get my money out of those places? And you have come up with a solution, and I should tell people, I'll repeat it again and again, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. That's the website. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. If people go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, Robert Nessley, what will they find there?

How have you solved this problem? Well, yeah, they'll find an offer that our staff has done for, I don't know how many countless of thousands of investors around the country, around the world, and we're making a special offer here for your listeners, is to just helping understand what you own. I mean, it's the first step. And so my personal story, I was working at one of the big four Wall Street Investment Bank and in their investment department. And long story short, just realized one day, here I am president of our local pro-life pregnancy center, and I own three stocks of companies, manufacturing abortion drugs. So every time the young lady goes across the street to plant parent and has an abortion, I just made money on that transaction, right? I literally profited from that transaction. And then you go down the laundry list of all sorts of other things.

They're going on in the portfolio, LGBT activism, even trafficking, et cetera. And I'm investing in these businesses. I'm profiting from these businesses. And likely so are you, right? And I'm not here to be your moral police. That's not my position. But what we want to do is help people understand what it is that they're putting their money into. It's not just a mutual fund ticker symbol with some dollars attached.

There are real companies doing real things, some of which are incredibly evil and immoral. And it would turn your stomach if you realized what the money is that they're putting into your pocket and what you're helping to fund. And basically, so this report will show you exactly down at the nitty-gritty of on this date, this company gave this much money, money to plan parenthood, let's say, or what have you. And so that you can then be informed and then make informed decisions about how you want to invest your money, which we believe is God's money in a way that, you know, honors him, helps society thrive, stops undermining your, you know, deeply held values. The list goes on. So that's, that's in a nutshell, what we do with inspire. And this is, I mean, this is God's mandate. It's this commandment to love the Lord your God with all your

heart, soul, mind, strength. And the idea is that if you kind of act like, well, that doesn't matter. Everything matters. And it's only inertia, which is, you know, the devil owns inertia. When you don't do anything, the devil wins and his values win. So here is an opportunity, folks, for you to take your money out of these companies or to even know where your money is invested. What is your money?

you're responsible for it's God's money. Who's it helping? What are you invested in? So if you go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, I'll say it again, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, you can get a report. You can learn this is free, obviously, Robert, this is free. Right. Yeah, complimentary.

Totally complimentary. We're passionate about spreading a movement. There are millions of Christians and others around the world who are moving their money by the billions of dollars out of the, you know, the woke investment firms that are that are doing everything they can to, you know, frankly, if ruin our cherished ways of life, you know, in many ways. And just putting into investments that are, you know, just as equally wise and financially viable and everything else, they just happen to be in companies that are just doing their job, you know, if they're making shoes, they're making shoes,

not sponsoring abortion legislation or what have you. So, yeah, totally free. And, man, I want to stress the size of a movement, too. There is a movement of people. You're not alone. This is kind of ringing true. Like, oh, my gosh, I wonder what I should do. But by God's grace, we've been one of the fastest growing investment firms in the nation.

In the top three fastest growing investment firms in the nation for the past number of years, we're managing over $2.3 billion. And we're not the only firm. out here right there we have colleagues that are work laboring alongside this is is a movement and you get to be a part of that if you go to aspirebiter dot com slash eric to figure out how easy it is to be intentional instead of conforming you know to wall streets uh you know wall street's uh you know wall street recommendations for your life which you know might not be in your best interest so please consider that ladies and gentlemen look this is game changing stuff i want to be really clear

This is game-changing stuff. If everybody listening to this program would do this and you would take your money out of the funds that are doing evil things, it is a game-changer in America because not only are you defunding these companies from doing bad things, but you're giving companies an incentive to do the right thing. You're saying, you know what, we better be careful. We shouldn't give our money to plan parenthood or to whatever evil things are doing. because you know what, there's going to be pushback. We're going to lose people. People aren't going to invest in us. So I'm asking you to go to inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. It is free, folks. It is free. Please do this. Resist the inertia. Inspireadvisors.com slash Eric, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Check it out. Hey, folks. You've all helped support my pillow and their employees in these tough economic times.

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sign up for free. That's real lifenetwork.com. Check it out. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. As I think I promised you in the previous segment, today it's my privilege to introduce to you, someone to whom I think you ought to have been introduced much earlier than now. His name is James Lindsay. Some of you will be familiar with him. He's tough to sum up. And those are my favorite kind of people, because I aspire to be one of those kind of people. His bio says he's an American-born author, mathematician, you see we've already like taken the sharp left

and professional troublemaker. He's written many books on a range of subjects, religion, philosophy of science, postmodern theory, too. He's a leading expert on critical race theory, which means, of course, that he rejects it, utterly. He's written many books. Why don't we just get them on here? James Lindsay, welcome to the program. Hey, Eric, great to see you. You don't sound too enthusiastic. You don't want to oversell. Now listen. Yeah, it's morning. Listen, you're, I know it's early where you are,

but honestly, you are tough to sum up. So for my audience, that is not familiar with you, I mean, I know you through turning point events and other things and here and there, but how would we, I mean, how would you help somebody understand kind of how you got to be doing what you're doing now and you're an expert on critical race theory? And how did this start for you? Where did you grow up? Can we start there? Yeah, we can go all the way back. I actually, my family is from two different parts of New York State, but nowhere near the city. So I have kind of New York roots.

But we moved down to East Tennessee very early on in my life when I was five. So I grew up primarily in East Tennessee. So I'm an Appalachian kind of culturally. But with this kind of parentage that made fun of Appalachian culture that didn't quite let it take full root. So difficult to sum up even from childhood, I suppose. But I grew up in East Tennessee. So you're not part of a jug band? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

No, I'm not. I did learn at one point when I was a teenager kind of to play the spoons, but that's been a while. Okay. So you, I guess you became famous when you succeeded in writing a number of very, very high-level academic papers for high-level academic journals.

that were hoaxes. How do we, tell my audience about that. Because when I read about this a few years ago, I just thought this is the greatest thing I've ever, like this is so fantastic, who did this? This is genius. So explain that to my audience, because this will help them understand where you're coming from.

Yeah, sure. So to give them a timeline first, this actually broke, the story broke just short of five years ago. So this was happening at roughly six years ago that we were doing this. And so there were three of us, myself and two colleagues, Peter Begotian and Helen Puckroes are their names. And what we did was we decided that we had kind of a handful of missions. One was we were trying to criticize Woke before anybody knew what Woke was. And what we kept running into is people saying, well, you're white, well, you're male.

You can't do that. Helen wasn't male, but she's still white. So it doesn't really matter. The identity is fake. They don't care about identity. They care about if you agree with them. But they came up with excuses, but then they would throw in, you don't have a degree in it. You're not a credentialed expert, kind of like, you know, Kintanji Brown Jackson,

and doesn't know what a woman is because she has to consult with an expert of some kind to understand, you know, what's between her legs. It's the same idea. So we're not experts. So one of our missions was, well, if we get a bunch of papers published in the research level journals, clearly we must be experts in what we're criticizing. So we must be justified in our criticism, not necessarily that we're right, but we are qualified to make the criticisms.

Turns out that didn't convince the left at all. They didn't care. But the other objective was we wanted to show that there was political corruption in the peer review system that was getting these papers into the academic literature in the first place. Okay, so just to just to, so my audience is tracking because most of us in America are blessed not to know what the heck you're talking about. But what you're talking about is the world of the. the academy, the world of intellectuals, not just intellectuals, but academic intellectuals, who basically write articles for these journals that no one reads, and they're called peer-reviewed journals.

What does that even mean exactly? Who are the peers that review what you write? Yeah, so what we're talking about is when they say there's a study, and they point to some, you know, vague nebula. this academic thing and say there's a study that justifies cutting the genitals off of children or whatever. We're talking about the process of production of those so-called studies. And so these are authenticated by a process called peer review that has been considered the gold standard in academia for maybe 50 or 60 years, maybe a little longer than that. So what would happen is I would

write an article as an academic. I think that I know what I'm talking about. And I send it off to an academic journal, which is sort of like a magazine, except a lot more prestigious, a lot harder to get into. They publish a lot fewer things, a lot slower process, and considered much more weighty by, say, the people who are going to say there's a study that says this. And the journal editor, if they like it, if they think it's compelling and it fits the journal's scope, will send it off to people called peer reviewers. Those are other experts allegedly in the same or related fields as I'm in, who are going to evaluate my work to see if I actually did good work. They'll come back with a number of recommendations, usually to improve or correct the work in the

paper that I'll then deal with. And the journal editor will eventually make a decision to accept and publish or not based on the recommendations. And just to be clear, a lot of this is actually legitimate. People are working in the medical field or whatever. They're trying to advance science, trying to advance certain things. When we get into the humanities is when it gets. That's insane pretty much. I'm just summing up. What field were you in? What academic field were you in doing graduate study or teaching? Where were you as an academic?

Okay, so way back in prehistory, I was a mathematician. So I was doing mathematics. To be completely forthright, I only ever bothered to publish one academic paper in mathematics, which is on a rather baroque interpretation of something called the law numbers that nobody needs to talk. talk about whatsoever. So at any rate, I did this process legitimately and honestly in mathematics back in the very late 2000s, right before 2010, and then I left mathematics. I left academia entirely in 2010. So, you know, that's more than 10 years ago now, so well before I started to do this project. And so this process of peer review is often legitimate, but it's only as good as the is the problem. Now, you do want to have a process of authentication like this. You don't want me writing snake oil, especially if it were a medical journal. And then, you know, the journal editor thinking, oh, wow, this potion he cooked up in his kitchen sounds great. Let's prescribe it all

over the world. No, no, when it's done right, the system, what the system works. But what you did, you wanted to gain the system because you saw that there was corruption and you saw that in the world of the humanities, which is basically the world, that's where the woke stuff comes in. It's It's basically gobbledy gook. I mean, this was already happening like 40 years ago when I was at Yale this was happening, that this just this kind of, they're using this language that nobody can understand, and it just becomes bizarre. So when you say that you tried to publish some articles,

did you start with legitimate articles that you wanted to publish criticizing things like critical race theory or some of that stuff and they wouldn't publish it? Is that what you're talking about? No, we were writing those kinds of criticisms, not in the academic literature, but in the popular literature. We were writing essays in publishing them either end up – it would end up that we couldn't really publish them anywhere except on our own blogs if we submitted them to, you know, op-ed paper, like newspapers like Washington Post or New York Times or – So you and your two friends were writing articles critical of what exactly, what things? Mostly gender studies and the kind of turn in feminism that we saw over the 2000s into 2010. pens. We were actually criticizing those, the idea that gender is divorced from sex, the idea

that men by default are participating in something called a rape culture that oppresses women. So, so you're writing stuff and the peer review journals aren't having it. So when did you decide to go over to the dark side and to write what you thought that they would actually publish knowing that it was pure garbage, but also knowing that it was just the kind of garbage they were looking for and you might get away with it. This is so clever and amazing, and you got away with it. So when did that occur to you and your two colleagues? So over probably 2016, that year overall, we started to pay attention to what was getting published in their literature, in their academic journals. And it was just kind of bizarre paper after bizarre paper after

bizarre paper that we were watching come out of this. There was a paper I remember in a very high-ranking gender studies journal. I think it was gender in society, which is the highest-ranking one. They talked about menstrual blood being a social construct or something like this. Okay, stop, stop, stop. No, no, that's just like, that's just too good. You don't understand. You live in this world.

Like, I want to just pause. Menstrual blood being a social construct. That's garbage on so many levels that it's hilarious. We're going to be back and we're going to tell the rest of the story, folks. You don't want to miss this talking to James Lindsay. Don't go away. Tell me why Relief Factor is so successful at lowering or eliminating pain. I'm often asked that question just the other night.

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and we're telling the story, folks, it sounds made up. Somebody should make a movie about this. Of how you, James, and your two colleagues, you're reading these journals that are so full of baloney that it's beyond comprehension, especially to anybody like me. but you're in this world and you decide we're going to game the system because we're reading things that are so insane,

we think we could produce something along these lines of insanity and they'll publish it. So you just mentioned, you said you read one article, these are legitimate articles in these journals. I mean, they're not legitimate, but they were published in these journals. One was about menstrual blood as a social construct. I don't even want to keep going on that one. Okay, what else? Well, right after that one, there was a fairly famous paper that was published in, I think it's something like progress in human geography or progress in geography, some gigantic geography journal from four researchers at the University of Oregon that was about the science of glaciology, so studying glaciers and how they advance and retreat in the relationship to climate change and all this, the a yada, but it was that the science is entirely sexist and has to start admitting indigenous myths and feminist art in order to round itself out. And this paper was particularly outrageous because it was

first attacking a science. Second, it was operating on nearly half a million dollars of national science foundation taxpayer money that's allocated to the sciences. And then kind of third, because some journalists started to think there's no way this is real, tried to call it out, and the university defended the authors, the University of Oregon, defended the authors vigorously to the point where one of the authors ended up getting a TED talk to talk about the idea of feminist glacier studies. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Feminist Glacier Studies.

I just want my audience to track on the level of insanity that this is taxpayer money. It's not possible. Very, very high-level academics, University of Oregon, feminist glacier studies. Ladies and gentlemen, if you want to know why you shouldn't send your kids to college, you're getting a taste here.

This is very high-level insanity. And actually what it reminds me of, James Lindsay, is Nazi theory. In other words, during Hitler's reign, the same thing happened in German universities. They basically had crackpot Nazi theories taking over every discipline. And if you said anything about it, you'd be in big trouble. So they had these insane rations. racial theories about the, you know, the superiority of the Aryan race. And this kind of lunacy infected all of the academy.

And if you went along with it, you'd get promoted. And if you didn't, you'd get pushed out. That is happening in our time. And so you're talking about noticing this around 2016 that it's maybe I need to do something about this. Right. You see this in the Nazi regime. And it's funny you mentioned that. We'll definitely come back to that.

but you saw it in the Soviets under Lysenko as well, which led to famine and in tremendous amounts of death through the Soviet Union and later China after the CCP took over. So, yeah, these corruptions, ideological corruptions by these totalitarian regimes is sort of what we were seeing. And so like we said earlier, the peer review process works well when the needle of the compass is pointed at true north or at truth. But when you screw up the compass and you have the needle pointing off to some political agenda instead, whether it's Nazi, whether it's Soviet, whether that's gender studies, you have a major problem on your hands. And that was what we were trying to expose. So we decided after seeing this feminist glacier paper, this journalist that had written about it, Matt Ridley, said, I hold out that it must be an academic hoax, that it must be fake. And so Peter and I got on the phone one day and talked and said,

well, why don't we just make that come true? Why don't we just start writing some academic hoaxes? They don't know the difference between true and false. Let's expose it. We can't critic it. We can't criticize it, they just get called white men and yelled at. Why don't we just try to expose it kind of full blast? And so we embarked on a project to write 20 or more, actually 21 of these fake articles over the course of a little over a year and a half, or a little under a year and a half, I guess. And several of them were accepted for publication, and some of them were actually published. That's a slow process. They don't accept it and publish it on the same day. Now, how did they, Did you use your real names and did they have no clue that these might be hoaxes?

Like how did you pull that off? No, we did not use our real names. We actually had one academic from Florida who, his name was Richard Baldwin, who let us use his real name. But other than that, we just made them up. We literally just made up academics out of thin air. So these people, not only are they publishing super loony, crazy papers, but they're not even bothering to check who wrote them whether those people are real or have real credentials. In other words, if they agree with it, they're like, yeah, we've got to publish this.

Yeah, that's kind of what we thought would happen. And so we wrote a paper about rape culture that we said that we could analyze it, for example, by examining what happens when dogs get together with each other. We'll phrase it that way for radio in the dog park and see how people react to it. and we concluded that if we train men, the way that we train dogs with like leashes and stuff, then obedience training, then we can overcome rape culture by examining how humans relate to dogs humping each other in the park. But what's funny to me is that you, in other words, you wrote this stuff knowing that the people reading it would be inclined to publish it because it was kind of giving their version of the way they saw the world.

That's right. So what are some of the other articles that you were able to float out there? Well, it's remarkable that you mentioned the Nazis because one of the articles that we did is we took the 12th chapter of Hitler's Mind Kampf and we rewrote it, taking out the part where Hitler is talking about building our movement, which by which he means the Nazis. And although he doesn't use it by name and Mein Kampf, he just says, our movement, our movement. So everywhere we saw our movement, we took it out and we put in intersectional feminism. Okay, hold on. Intersectional feminism. We're going to a. break. We'll be right back. More on the Nazis and intersectionality when we come back.

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you actually are quoting long passages from Hitler's Mind Kampf. We actually just took the entire 12th chapter and rewrote it. We just retooled it so that it was not about, Nazis anymore and being angry at Jews and retooled it to where it was intersectional feminists mad at other kinds of feminists who are selling women out, choice feminists as we were particularly targeting them. Choice feminism is the idea that if a woman is free to make her own choices and lives her life that way, then that's feminist inherently. And so we went after the idea that women can make free choices and said that, no, they have to be marching in lockstep with intersectional

solidarity, but we literally just took the chapter 12 out of Hitler's MindConf and rewrote it. And so it was Hitler's ethos, Hitler's vibe, not Hitler's exact words because plagiarism checkers would have disqualified it. So we had to jumble the words up a little bit. But other than that, you know, we didn't want to get disqualified on an easy technicality. But other than that, it's the exact vibe of Hitler just applied to intersectional feminism, thus kind of making Rush Limbaugh right about feminites. And you got that one for, published? That one was accepted for publication by a feminist social work journal called Aphelia. Again, ladies and gentlemen, you can't make this up. This is true. What we're telling

you is this is true. What other articles that you can think of that you guys wrote were able to make it into actual journals? Some of these get a little bit PG-13, if you will, but one of them, we said that the sport, this is not PG-13, the sport of bodybuilding is in fairly discriminatory against fat people. And so, you know, a bodybuilder is a big body, a fat person's a big body, body. The title of the paper was who are they to judge which form of being a big body body is legitimate and not legitimate. And so we argued that the sport of bodybuilding has to include a category called fat bodybuilding in order to overcome its fat-phobic biases. And so fat people, it can't be a competition because they don't like competition. Fat people have to be allowed to come up

during bodybuilding exhibitions and do a political exhibition of their fat to show off a political statement about fat bodies being acceptable. And this was accepted and published in a journal called Fat Studies. That one I think, I laugh very fondly every time I think of that paper. So you wrote this and it was actually published in a journal called Fat Studies. Yeah. I just want to lay the groundwork because I want to keep talking to you about all. all that, you know, you're, but the fact is things have gone so crazy that you are able to write

these articles and get them published. And everything you're talking about, I mean, people are beginning to pick up on this. I just had the person who calls himself raw egg nationalist on this program. And the idea that being healthy is suddenly politically incorrect, is suddenly anti-woke, things have gone utterly mad. And I think that the theme here, at least for me, me, because you illustrate it, is that things have gone so crazy that it's reductio ad absurdum. All you have to do is follow the logic of what these people are laying out, and it destroys itself completely. So here you are saying, okay, well, we'll write what you want to read, and you'll publish it,

and guess what? We just made it up. It's crazy stuff. It's pure ideology, no bearing on reality, science, truth. those things are out the window. We are in a realm of pure subjectivity. Yeah, that's right. So to skip the PG-13 ones, unless you really want to hear them, one of our papers that we considered to kind of be a coup de grace, if you will, would be that we wrote a paper saying that it was unethical to make fun of social justice, to make jokes about

social justice. You could only make jokes to promote social justice. And in particular, the worst possible thing that you could do because of the stature of academic publishing is to write academic hoaxes. That would be the most outrageous thing that you could possibly do in most illegitimate form of using humor to deflate social justice initiatives is to write academic hoaxes. So we literally talked about ourselves in the paper and we titled the paper when the joke is on you and talked about the uses of the legitimate and illegitimate uses of humor. So not only whether or not it's okay to eat healthy and so on, but also people will have noticed and sort of to pick up on that humor has been tooled into propaganda. You're not allowed to be funny anymore because funny has to attach to truth. You have to come in and have some, you know, I don't know, a social justice warrior with pink hair giving some kind of a lecture about how she went to, you know, a brunch and somebody said something awful. And it's supposed to be a comedy routine somehow.

They call it post-humor or post-comedy. So we made fun of that, but also said that the most illegitimate thing you could possibly do was exactly what we were doing. This is like when the serial killer is taunting the cops and the FBI, like leaving them clues, almost wanting to get caught. Yeah. And that was accepted by the leading feminist philosophy journal. This is one that even mainstream philosophers take quite seriously, which is the journal. called Hypatia. Who doesn't read Hypatia?

Well, okay, so, yeah. Yeah. So let me ask you, when did this blow up in a good sense? When did people finally, somebody finally realize that the joke was on them? Well, it started to unravel around May or June of 2018, and it blew out completely in October. And so what had happened was that that paper about the dog. Humping became so it got published and at that point we knew in advance that the second that one got out into the wild it was a matter of time right and so it got published and the striking thing is academics there were no academics that saw this and thought well that's inappropriate right of course no they they're in permission to think it's inappropriate yeah right it was journalists in college college students who are working for things like the college fix campus reform PJ Media, so on, these kind of, you know, smaller outlets that are paying attention what's going on

campuses in the madness. It was conservative college students who blew the whistle on this dog paper, so this can't possibly be real, and they wouldn't leave it alone. And so a typical journalistic trick, if you're not getting attention on your little tiny story, is to get a big journalist to cover the same thing and point back to your stuff. So she pulled a favor and got a journalist at the Wall Street Journal involved. When the Wall Street Journal got involved, the wheels came off the bus real fast. The journalistic skill is a little higher. The weight behind the journal is a lot higher than some campus outlet. And so the next thing you know, we had the academic journal calling us and saying,

please prove your identity, send copies of your ID. We think there's something going on. And we weren't going to commit a forgery or a fraud to keep the joke going. Yeah, you had some standards after all. We'll be right back. We're talking to James Lindsay. You can find him on Twitter, Conceptual James. Folks, welcome back.

talking to Robert Netsley right now, who is with Inspire Investing. Robert, I can't help but get excited about what you've created an opportunity for people to find out if their money is funding wicked things. If they have money in a 401k or retirement fund, whatever it is, that is invested in companies that are doing evil things, that is promoting pornography, promoting abortion, promoting any number of things or ideologies with your money, folks. So Robert Nestle has created something where you can get a free report that tells you where your money is and they will help you get your money into companies that are doing good

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it's just huge. It's just absolutely monstrous. It's enormous. It's enormous. And we are seeing fruit from that labor. It's remarkable. It doesn't have to even be trillions of dollars to change things. I've been on the phone, you know, in recent weeks, you know,

with investor relations and CFOs and whatnot. We regularly engage with companies that we invest in or are like to invest in or kind of just speaking biblical truth, the corporate power. And, you know, one of the things we hear is often that, number one, these people have never heard, they tell us they've never heard from a faith-based investor before. They've been doing their job for 20, 30 years, you know, executive major organizations never heard from a faith-based investor. So number one, they need to hear our voice.

Number two, they're thankful to hear it, even in some of these sort of, you know, woke businesses you think that this don't care, there are people in those businesses of influence that actually do care about what we have to say and oftentimes have enough influence to change things. So, for instance, Costco stopped giving money to gay pride parades. Chevron stopped giving money to Planned Parenthood. There's a laundry list of other organizations that have changed things. That is unbelievable. Robert Nelson, that is unbelievable. It is so wonderful. I want to tell people, folks, what you do and don't do, you can change.

change the world if you take an interest in this. When I hear that a company like Costco would stop giving money to something like that, or Chevron, these are huge, huge companies. And you shop there, your money may be invested there. When we get involved in these things, we can change the world. So I want to say the action point is go to invest. I'm sorry, inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. inspireadvisors.com slash Eric.

You'll get a free report that will help you figure this out. And I know, Robert, that you guys will help people if they want to transition to invest in companies that believe in their values. But this is a gigantic thing that we have, I mean, it's to me scandalous when we have power and we don't use that power. It's like when I say, I'm not going to vote. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do that. When you don't do those things, people who don't share your values, who share opposite, who have opposite values, they're going to prevail.

So I just want to say to you, Robert, thank you for taking this on because it is game-changing. Like you said, it's a movement. The more people that do this, it's an amazing thing when we think of the money that is out there, that many people of faith with traditional values have invested in woke companies. Ladies and gentlemen, you've got to do something about it. You've just got to do something about it. This is like a mandate that we've got to live our faith out in every sphere and where your money is. That's a big deal.

So please go to InspireAdvisors.com slash Eric. This is a free report. inspireadvisors.com slash Eric. Robert Natsley, thank you. Pleasure. Thank you, Eric.