The Eric Metaxas Show - Dr. Nicole Saphier

Episode Date: May 27, 2021

Dr. Nicole Saphier examines the fuzzy truth regarding the pandemic when she delves into the facts found in her new book, "Panic Attack: Playing Politics with Science in the Fight Against COVID-19."

Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Metaxus. Good morning. Albin and Chris, it's morning where we are. We're pretepe-te- Yeah, just waking up. But we have two wonderful guests today. Senator Jim DeMint has written a novel, a novel. It's called Satan's Dare. We're talking to him. We're also talking today to Dr. Nicole Sapphire.

I've seen her on Fox News, but medical doctor who talks about some of the questions that I've had about the whole COVID narrative. It's absolutely fascinating. But I will save that. We'll save that. We have a lot of amazing guests coming up really soon. Let me think here. Mickey Robinson. Actually, before we get to that, Kathy Ireland, a lot of.

A lot of people know Kathy Ireland. She was a very famous Sports Illustrated model. A woman of amazing faith who has created a media or I should say a business empire. She's going to be on the program next week. Adam Carolla. Yes. How did we get Adam Carolla? What is he working on that he's coming up?

He's got a brand new project he's going to talk about. So you've got to tune in to find out. But Adam is always a delight. He's a lot of fun. Kathy Ireland. But I don't want to forget this. yesterday in the studio, we were back in the studio and we interviewed a number of extraordinary guests, Vody, no, Vody, I can never pronounce it correctly, Voddy Bacom. Yeah.

He is a black American who is living with his family in Zambia. He is a theologian. He's an amazing person. He's written all these books. But he has written a book called Fault Lines, Fault Lines, that. is about how evangelicalism is staggering into the world of, you know, woke thinking. And he talks about social justice and all that stuff. But oh, my gosh, you know, he's a really brilliant theologian and writer. And we recorded it yesterday. And I just have to say, the book is called fault lines. If you're looking for a book that explains why critical race theory is messed up and worse than messed up, and why social justice is a term that's been hijacked by Marxists. We have to cut to the chase and say Marxists. They're cultural Marxists. They don't care about

the traditional things that we care. But when we say we're against racism, everybody knows that. They go way beyond that. Cultural Marxism is very destructive, really horribly destructive, but it's made its way into the American church. And we need to be aware of this. We need to wake up to this. It's really ugly, folks. And if this is going on in your church, you better find another church

or you better have your pastor read Votie's book, fault lines. Because it is, it's a serious issue. Fortunately, Votie's getting a lot of attention these days, a lot of attention. So that's good. Well, he was going to be on this program twice before and he had major heart issues.

Like he almost died twice. It's amazing. So to interview him yesterday, I was just thrilled. He looks and sounds fantastic. So he's obviously doing really well. Tomorrow listen to that interview and watch it tomorrow as well. We're going to try to get it up on Rumble and YouTube and all that. Yeah. Did you say Rumble?

Are we on Rumble? Yeah, yeah. Rumble. In fact, Dr. Sapphire is on Rumble now. We've got to be careful with her on YouTube because she's says some things about COVID. Yeah, we have a block on YouTube where we're two out of three strikes down and one expires in June.

So we have to kind of make sure that we don't offend the robot sensors on YouTube till then. They don't like truth. It's a big problem. They don't like truth or truthiness as it's now called. They just don't like those things. Yeah. It's a really disturbing time to be in where you upload a video and you're basically waiting

for some. sort of algorithm to scan the words that you're communicating and decide if it's a yea or nay. It's very Roman amphitheater. Right. We should do a show on Satan worship because I think that they would just, they'd remove all the strikes. The alchorism scans for Zmirak, I understand. Zmirak is trouble.

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So go to Eric Mataxis.com, sign up for that. The interview I did yesterday with Mickey Robinson, you can't believe. I mean, first of all, you have to wonder, if anybody hears his story, how can they not believe in God? It's just astonishing to me. How can you not believe in God? It's one of the most amazing stories I've ever heard. He's obviously very, very smart. And, well, just so people understand, at age 19, which was,

was in 1968. He was involved in a gruesome plane crash. And the pilot died. Mickey should have died at least once. Horrible burns, all kinds of problems, blind in one eye. Just, you can't even believe the story. And yet, he survived miraculously. And what, I mean, get ready.

folks tomorrow because he talks about going to heaven and his description of going there and what happened there and then coming back and the details I defy anyone to say oh he made it up this was a 19 year old kid an incredible pain a mess I mean just a mess basically dying and the nurses and doctors knew he was dying it wasn't like they thought he might die they knew they knew he was dying. He was not supposed to live. He couldn't live. But there's a series of miracles that happened over the years to him. And so anyway, it was just, it's such a faith builder. If you're wondering, is God real and who is God? And why does he let suffering happen? All the questions that every normal, sensitive thinking person would have, they're good questions. Stories often are answers to

them. This story is kind of, it just helps you to get your head around it. But that's tomorrow, Mickey Robinson. No, no, no, it's not tomorrow. It's going to be next week early. It's a two, yeah, it's two days, two days worth. I was sitting in the control booth. I was just blown away by his story and the miracles. You have got to hear this interview next week, folks. Get ready. It is, but I do, I want to get it on, uh, on YouTube, ASAP. I don't care. It's, it's really long and we've got to get it up. It doesn't matter if it goes on TBN. We don't need to put it on TV,

and we should just get it up on YouTube because it's really one of those. It's just, I don't know, I just, I'm fascinated by stories like this, total miracle after miracle, you know, just an undeniable. I mean, it's undeniable. Check out YouTube later today or tomorrow. We should have that.

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It's unlike any book. It's just something that you just, you hear it and you understand things that you couldn't have possibly understood before. We have to talk about the WNBA. Can we do that? Oh, yeah. I saw a thing on, I guess was Twitter this morning about WMBA and how they're complaining that they don't get the ratings of the NBA. And some people are ridiculous enough to say, oh, it's because it's women and it's not fair. But isn't it just that it's called the free market, that the NBA players are so

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No kidding. Her name is Dr. Nicole Safere. She's also an author of, unfortunately, it's an important book. It's called Panic Attack, playing politics with science in the fight against COVID-19. Dr. Safir, welcome to this program. Well, thank you so much for having me. Well, listen, we need to know the facts. And I keep saying on this program, we don't really, in the mainstream media, typically hear much of what you say in this book.

There are people like me who have seen science being politicized. And it's deeply troubling because that's just a no-no. It's kind of like cheating at math. You just should never, ever do it. But it's become particularly ugly during the COVID season of the last 18 months. So what are the headlines on how science has been politicized in your new book panic attack? Well, so listen, I mean, during the course of this pandemic, I've continued to work full-time as a physician. I'm a mother to three children who have had to go to remote learning. And then I am also a medical contributor for Fox News.

So I've handled it on many different sides. And I can tell you, one of the biggest constants that it has occurred over the last nearly year and a half now is that sat science and data are completely getting twisted around to fit certain narratives. And that breeds fear, hence why the name of the book is called panic attack. And so we've seen this before. It wasn't a coincidence that you had a presidential election year because what do they always do? For almost a century, we hear vote for me and I will save you. Vote for me. And so that's exactly what happened.

And some of the most basic, fundamental things during the course of this crisis has been completely twisted and has created conspiracy, which it really was not. I mean, specifically in my book, I mean, I look at, you know, the most controversial of the topics,

face mass, hydroxychloroquine, the origin of the virus, the Chinese Communist Party cover up. You know, if it was mentioned this last year, I dive into it. Well, just the other day, I live here in Manhattan. I was walking down the street and they sometimes block off a street so that the kids can have.

It's kind of like their playground, right, on the Upper East Side. And I saw a bunch of six and seven-year-olds, a bunch, a lot, outside playing, wearing masks. And my blood boiled. I thought to myself, this is child abuse. This is sick that little kids at recess are having to wear masks. It just struck me as absurd. And then, of course, it has nothing to do with what the science has taught, but it's become this kind of kabuki theater of virtue signaling.

We're all wearing masks because something. What do you say to schools that are forcing little children to wear these gaggy masks? Well, I mean, I can tell you that there's more science and data out there right now that shows us that the emergency for young children is over when it comes to COVID-19. When you've looked at, we've now got record-breaking lows for deaths and new cases. We know that the virus does not affect children the same way as it does adults. We also know that the number of hospitalizations have been inflated for children. So there's a perceived level of risk for these kids, but that perceived level of risk is not reality.

The reality is the risk of COVID-19 for our younger children is exceedingly low, especially as more adults continue to go get vaccinated. We also have the data that show you're not transmitting the virus outdoors. So by continuing to suggest that children need to wear masks, especially on a hot being outside, at some point people are going to have to be held accountable for these actions because they're nothing but anti-science. Well, I mean, not only are they anti-science, but it strikes me that they're genuinely harmful. In other words, they're not neutral. It's not just Kabuki theater.

I mean, it actually has an effect on the children. And, you know, people in my generation always mocked in the 50s where kids would hide under desks because they were preparing for the nuclear attack, you know, which never came as far as I can tell. And yet today we're doing something that strikes me as even more onerous to get little children to be wearing masks in school. I mean, it has to have a number of ill effects, not just on physical health, but on mental health to breathe your own carbon. dioxide all day long. I mean, is there anything there or am I just imagining that? No, of course not. And we've created this space of fear. And again, parents are afraid. They're afraid if their child gets this illness that they're going to bring it home. It may kill off people in the family or it may cause something severe to happen to that children. And that is an unfortunate

miscommunication from our leading experts on the real risk when it comes to younger children for this virus, especially when the adults in the family have been vaccinated. And I can tell you, CDC is really one of the only global entities that recommend children over the age of two universally are to wear face masks because there are known consequences to it, not to mention that children really need that facial recognition as they're growing as they're learning. But yes, these young kids, they're not wearing their mask appropriately. My six-year-old comes home and his mask is completely wet and he's now biting holes in them. So he's clearly messing with them all day. And I can tell you, the CDC just last week came out with their own data from the fall that showed the two biggest things to decrease transmission of the virus in elementary schools.

It's not masking children. What it was was improving ventilation and putting masks on the teachers and the employees. But that was before the vaccines. Now that health care workers, now that any adult that wants to be vaccinated can be, then therefore they also don't need to be wearing masks. And as that data showed, that children wearing masks do not decrease viral transmission on a statistically significant level. So the CDC is not actually following their own data. They're cherry picking what they want to put forth on their guidelines. And again, I think this is a fear-based.

But I mean, why would anyone care at this point what the CDC thinks or says? Why would anyone care what the World Health Organization thinks or says? It's just fascinating to me. What these organizations have done, as far as I'm concerned, has fundamentally undermined people's trust in science and medicine, which is itself a monstrous thing. I just had Nicholas Wade on. He was the chief science writer for the New York Times for decades. He wrote something that wasn't published in the New York Times, but very carefully and extremely scientifically and at length talking about how all the facts lead us if we had to choose, we can't prove it, to think that the virus was created in a lab.

And he talks about how the powers that be have politicized this and made it something that people don't want to talk about. And when I read his article and spoke to him, I just thought this is terrible on many, many levels, not just because it's a lie and because it's misleading, but to politicize science, which is the thesis of your book, panic attack, you're undermining something that is just so vital to a society that we believe in facts, we believe in science. When you politicize science, I mean, doesn't it make your average person, including your six-year-old, right? Just think that I don't really, I'm not going to buy into this.

I'm going to play the game, but I'm not really going to believe what they are telling me. Yes, and it's, to me, I find it devastating that we've gotten to a point where the CDC, the World Health Organization will come forth with recommendations, and we all have us scratching our heads. We're like, well, that actually goes against common sense at this point. And then they keep having to roll back what they say. That doesn't make a good look for anybody. But I can tell you when writing my book, there are three chapters dedicated to essentially what you just talked about. We talk about the origin of the virus, which includes a lot of occurrences that it happened in that lab around end of October and November. Why I said even last summer that it is a plausible theory that

there was an accidental lab escape, I was immediately criticized by mainstream media. I had CNN, Esquire commenting on me how I'm wrong. I'm promoting conspiracy theories. And the real experts are saying absolutely not. So it's frustrating. So I talk about that. I talk about the Chinese cover-up. And then I talk about the relationship between the World Health Organization and the dominant superpower of what we know is China. And that unfortunately, that relationship did muddy a lot of the water. and I believe that that really cut us off at the knees when it came to our pandemic response. I dive into all of that in the book. You've written a book?

Is it called panic attack? It sure is. All right. Well, then I'm glad you mentioned it because honestly, there's never enough time to get into this stuff. But I'm glad you wrote the book. And I hate to say it, or I'm sorry to have to say it, but it's a brave thing simply to write what is true in this day and age. And when people call something a conspiracy theory, today, that strikes me as a kind of validation. In other words, they're so afraid of diving into what you've

actually said that they simply have to label it, you're a racist, you're a bigot, your conspiracy theorist, you're an insurrectionist, because they're afraid actually of diving into what you're saying, because there's nothing that you're saying, obviously, that isn't based in facts. Well, and hasn't that what's happened the entire last year? I mean, going forth from there, you know, we talk about hydroxychloroquine, talk about face mess, lot. all of the things that if you at any point had a contrarian opinion or you question what was coming from Dr. Fauci or some of the other old guard establishments, you were immediately censored by big tech and social media as promoting conspiracy theories. When in reality, when it comes to scientific discovery,

especially in times of crisis, it is that very discord which gives us some of our greatest innovations because we are challenging certain hypotheses. You probably realize being a scientist that the Aristotelians and universities refused to look through Galileo's telescopes. It wasn't the church, really. It was the Aristotelians. Their paradigm was blown, and they knew that if they looked at the actual facts, they'd kind of be on the hook. So they just basically labeled him, whatever the label was of the day, and refused to look through the telescopes. That's kind of what we're dealing with today.

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That's 888-909-1-1-0. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Dr. Nicholas. I was going to just say Sapphire, because it looks like it's spelled that way, but you say the people into whose family you've married, they're the ones that have had the name for generations. They pronounce it's Sapphire.

Well, Andy just called me my oldest son's name, Nicholas. I'm Nicole. Oh, you're Nicole. All right, I'm glad to know. So you're Nicole Sapphire, S-A-P-H-I-E-R. The book is Panic Attack. I have to laugh sometimes because it's just so dark to think that we're living at a time when medicine and science has been politicized. It seems that if you don't really believe in truth with a capital T, you feel free to politicize things and to bend things and twist things.

It's ironic to me that it's mainly people on the left in bed with big tech, big pharma. They seem today to be willing to do this for some higher purpose in their own minds. What do you think it is that would cause them to play fast and loose with what ought to be, as I say, like math, basic science, what we know, what we don't know, what we might know. Why do you think they would do something? It seems like a big deal. You know, it's really interesting that what happened. So especially let's go back to the beginning.

Let's talk about the viral origin theories, since that is what's hitting the thing. news these days. It's one thing to have your opinion. Yes, the most common thing that happens in just about all of epidemics and pandemics, except for a few times, is that there was a natural spillover when it comes to a virus. It was in an intermediate host and blah, blah, blah, and it goes to humans. So, of course, that's the most probable theory of what happened here. But there were some very real coincidences that people should not have ignored. And the problem is it's okay to have your opinion. What's not okay and what has seemed to happen all the time throughout this pandemic is anyone who refutes that or just questions it are quickly canceled. It is this time of cancel culture.

And we need to get away from that where we need to be able to acknowledge that there are several hypotheses. There are several possibilities. We can't just always go for whatever mainstream media wants it to be. Because I can tell you, especially in the course of this pandemic, a lot of those contrarian beliefs are actually proving to be true. Listen, I think that a large part of the politicization of what we're talking about comes from this, the hatred that people had for Donald Trump, some people. And anything he said was immediately labeled as false, absurd, laughable. When he talked about hydrochloroquine, immediately, it seems to me that the establishment,

as it is, said, we can't. not bother with hydrochloroquine and actually some places outlawed it said you can't put it. Why would they do that? Was that because they were in bed with wanting to promote the vaccine? Well, so first of all, when I started writing about hydroxychloroquine for the book, it was supposed to just be a little subchapter, but it turned into its own chapter in itself because so much occurred when it came to this medication. And not because this medication in itself is that interesting.

In fact, it's really not. We've been using it for decades. But the controversy and the scandal that went on around it is really appalling. And so it's important to bring that truth to light. The only reason, to be honest, that hydroxychloroquine became controversial is because President Trump mentioned it in a White House press briefing and that knee-jerk anti-Trumpism were quickly trying to disprove him because he had some optimism when at the same time, Dr. Fauci, who they appointed to be the White Knight of Public Health, was talking about remdesivir. So all of a sudden, remdesivir must be the science and hydroxychloroquine

is being peddled by charlatans. The truth is hydroxychloroquine is a medication being used for decades with known antiviral properties. It was being tested all across the world. We had a new virus with no known treatments. Of course we're going to throw the sink at it. We have an old cheap medicine that we know actually has some antiviral properties. Of course they're going to try and use it. Whether it turns out to be a silver bullet or not, we didn't know what they're going to. time, but the fact that people were using it, of course. But what happened? They stepped in. They stepped in and they started to restrict prescribing rights from physicians. They were slapping them with warnings that they were going to find them or take away their medical license if they started prescribing it.

All the while, you had physicians all across the world using it, just trying to save lives. We didn't know if it was going to be, again, that magic medicine that's going to save people, but didn't we want to try? Well, it strikes me to get hyper-serious. People died. as a result of the politicization of many of these issues, but specifically now talking about hydroxychloroquine, that there are people whose lives might have been saved, but because people hated Donald Trump, they died. Am I making a leap?

First of all, I can tell you undoubtedly that the pandemic was worsened because of the politicization of science when it came to hydroxychloroquine as well as other things. Listen, the data on hydroxychloroquine, it shows that it certainly is not, this magic bullet that we really still want when it comes to treatment. Has it been, can it possibly help in mild cases, outpatient cases? You know, there's some studies that show that it can. There's also some studies that show that it can't. The jury's still out. But the bottom line is what happened

during that time was sickening to the point that they started using fraudulent data to try and disprove that it works. And that actually led to some of the most world-renowned journals to have to retract some of their research because fraudulent data was being viewed. I mean, it is quite the scandal that occurred. And yes, people saw it play out on TV, but they didn't really see a lot that was going on behind the scenes. And the fact that hydroxychloroquine is still actually being used in parts of the world tells us that maybe it wasn't the snake oil that they wanted people to think it was. Well, I just wonder if anybody's going to be on the hook for this. It seems to me like the kind of scandal you read about, nothing that's happened in our own time, except unfortunately, this is our own time.

It is huge. It involves tons of money in human lives. Folks, I'm talking to Nicole Sapphire. The book is Panic Attack, we'll be right back. Folks, I'm talking to the author of Panic Attack, Dr. Nicole Sapphire. Dr. Sapphire, I just have to say that it's astounding to me that I hear so little of what you're saying and what you've written about in your book, Panic Attack. There are fringy people talking about it, but in the mainstream, very little. You just said that, I guess he used the word snake oil. In other words, when somebody like Trump brought up hydroxychloroquine, immediately people rather viciously attacked him and attacked the idea of it

as though he's a Neanderthal, he's anti-science, when in fact that's not true. my friend Mike Lindell, who if people are watching this on video, you can see him glowering behind me in two glorious dimensions, exhorting you to use the code Eric to say big at mypillar.com. But Mike Lindell had an antiviral medicine. I can't remember. I think it's based on oleander extract. And he was working with Dr. Ben Carson on this,

on trying to get it out. When he appeared to talk about it on CNN, Anderson Cooper attacked him so viciously, I was just astonished. In other words, it had nothing to do with the facts, but it was simply to demonize him as a right-wing trumpist when actually he believed, and I think it is quite right, he had something that was very powerful against viruses, and they weren't even permitted to have a conversation. So I can, I actually remember that occurring. And I can tell you that I am very careful, especially when it comes to discussing extracts, because while we use extracts all the time, and they're incredibly

beneficial for a host of reasons, we also don't want people going out and picking things off of the side of the road thinking that they are going to be the same thing. It's very different, you know, when you look at these extracts, they need to be purified. And I think it's all about messaging. And that's one of the biggest things that come from this pandemic. Unfortunately, because President Trump was having those White House press briefings, the media immediately attacked him and wanted to discredit everything he said. This also encouraged platforms for Governor Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio and everyone else to do their little press briefings. But really, those probably aren't the people we should be hearing from. And especially when you're talking about a potential treatment,

such as an extract, I think it's important for maybe Ben Carson should have been the face of that campaign, who is a medical doctor. And so it's about the messaging, because people are not even going to hear your message unless the person delivering it is someone who they believe can be trusted in this. And while he may be a great person and a great friend and he may be 100% right all the time, who knows, it's about, you know, the credentials behind him saying what it is. And I think that was, again, that was a messaging problem. Well, but to me, that's part of the irony is that I think half of the country would much rather trust Mike Lindell than Dr. Fauci. I mean, that's at least ironic, if not horrifying.

But I think it's because people like Fauci and the CDC and the WHO, they have so undermined our ability to trust authority. I mean, it's like the 60s, question authority. There's something healthy about questioning authority and there's something unhealthy when it gets to a point where anything coming out of the mouth of a Fauci or from the CDC, half of the country immediately discounts it because they don't feel that they have been dealt with straightforwardly. They do feel it's been politicized. So they have to look for alternative facts, so to speak. Undoubtedly, I can say my biggest frustration with Dr. Fauci is that he makes an excellent bystander, which is why he's been in his role for a very long time. But true leadership, what we really need is someone who's willing to push back against that old guard establishment,

someone who's willing to push back against the CDC, the FDA, the WHO, and he has yet to do that for us. And I saw him give an interview last week and people said, why are you still wearing a mask outside? He's like, well, I wanted to wait until the CDC updated their guidelines because I didn't want to give mixed messaging. And all I can say to that is, why not? Dr. Fauci, people listen to you. You may not be able to change policy, but the public listens to you, the president listens to you. why aren't you going to be that person who is going to fight for what really is supposed to be scientific? If you know something is wrong or you know something to be untrue, now is the time to push back. And if he is not capable of doing that, it is time to replace him with someone who will.

Yeah, like about a year ago, I think. But honestly, Nicole, I think that, I mean, this kind of reminds me of what happened with the twin authorities of church and state after the first world war. by aligning themselves as being pro-war, really for a century, they kind of devastated your average Europeans. It took a while to get over to us, but it devastated people's trust in authority. I think we're talking about a paradigm shift, unfortunately, like that, where many, many people have become skeptical in a way that they never had been before. We've never dealt with anything this dramatic where lives are at stake. What have we not talked about in your book panic attack? Again, the subtitle, Playing Politics with Science in the Fight Against COVID-19, what have we missed?

We've just got a couple of minutes, but I know there are other things. I think the bottom line is that there is a healthy dose of skepticism. You should not always just tow the line. But there's a very fine line between, you know, following blindly to whatever popular opinion is saying, and then going to the far other end wearing your tin hats. you have to make sure that you are, you know, you're following what's based on truth and science. And I can tell you what I dove into, dove into this book was anything and everything that has caused controversy, confusion, I feel that if you give people the facts, let them educate themselves

with truth, then they can actually use that to formulate their opinions. So when it comes to, you know, where the virus possibly came from, the fact that there was a cover up that was going on should China be held accountable. The world has. health organization. We really go into hydroxychloroquine and some of those other medications. You know, the incredible Operation Warp Speed, how even that itself was politicized. And then I talk about, honestly, the lockdowns, the face mass, and taking everyone out of school. Yes, in the beginning, when people were afraid, maybe that was warranted. But I can tell you, all of those prolonged lockdowns are really going to have more severe consequences that will outlast the virus itself.

There seems a little question of that, unfortunately, which is why I think my original statement is true, that people's views of authority, particularly the mainstream media and whatever establishment there is with regard to science, it has been fatally undermined. So I think it's amazing. I have to ask you before you go, how did you know that I wore a tin hat? Because we've not met before. Oh, come on now. I think we all wear a tin hat every now and then. I can say, I just want people to know people do things when they're fearful. And the only way to be less fearful is to equip yourself with the facts. Right on. Thank you, Dr. Nicole Sapphire. Congratulations on the book. Panic Attack. Glad to speak with you. Thank you. Welcome back. Alvin,

I got a question for you. Yes, sir. I've noticed that my hair is starting to thin badly. And I want to know, what's your secret? How have you dealt with this tradition? Well, in about a week, you're going to look like this. I'm just going to tell you. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm getting hair plugs. There's no way I'm going to let that happen. That's not right. Chris is intermediate. Chris is what you're going to look like in three days, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's not

the worst thing in the world. If the fake president of the United States could get hair plugs 35 years ago, I'm going to get hair plugs. Why shouldn't I? Why shouldn't I? I'm going to... I got hair plugs. This is what happened when I got hair plugs. Really? They didn't take? Backfired. It's, yeah, it's really. really a problem. All right. Well, stay tuned, folks. Stay tuned. We should talk about the, there was a headline this morning that the NBA's ratings are tanking. Why? Because they've gone

woke. It's kind of amazing. Even Sports Illustrated has gone woke. And it seems like everything is being ruined. But you know what the cool thing is? It tells you that all of this in the culture, it was always leaning that way, but now, I don't know what happened. Maybe Trump did it. They just got spooked. They're out of the bushes. You can see them for what they are. And I really believe that this is a reordering going on in our society. And it's important for us, I always say this, to vote, not just in the voting booth, because those votes don't count anymore, but to vote with your money, with your eyeballs. When you say, you know, I am not going to buy another Coke product because they've gone woke. They want to play that game. I will get Pepsi

all day long. If I have to do anything, I will drink, I will drink water if I have to. I will not buy another Coke product. Same with Nike. And when it comes to some of these institutions like the NBA or the Major League Baseball, when they decide to go woke, they're going to pay a price. But folks, they really should pay a price. And so I want to say, uh, it makes me happy that the NBA's ratings are in the tank. The PGA's ratings are above right. The NBA. That's funny to me. Yeah. That's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I know, for a little ball or a big ball. People are going for the little ball now, not the big it's, it's, it's, what everybody was thinking. That's what's all about. So, so,

so, so you're telling me I should get plugs, hair plugs. I'm thinking, I think I need to get hair plugs. Listen, speaking of hair plugs, remember the election we had a few months ago? What? Turns out it was fake. Mike Lindell, he's proved it to me. He just hasn't proved it to the Supreme Court because they're afraid to look through the telescopes. But I've got to tell you that, honestly, it's comedy to me that we're in a state where most of the country or half the country roughly knows the election was not. There was something fishy, right?

And I still believe this is this information. is going to come out. I think a lot of things are coming to light. And this is, it's in God's hands. I don't really think that it's possible for us to function as a society anymore unless God intervenes. But the good news is God does intervene. So I'm excited about that. And Mike Lindell is a hero. We, we've had him on this program many times. He's standing behind me in two glorious dimensions. And he's exhorting you, the viewer, or the listener, to go to Mypillow.com and to use the code Eric. And most of my books are at my store.com if you use the code Eric. But you know what, Albin, we're going to get more products at my store.com because I want to give people an opportunity

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