The Eric Metaxas Show - Dr. Peter McCullough

Episode Date: January 13, 2022

Dr. Peter McCullough brings the latest of what's happening with the facts in the Covid "crisis" -- what's scientifically based and what's government folderol?

Welcome to the Eric Mettaxas show with your host, Eric Metaxus. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the Eric Metaxe show. Very, very, very, very exciting guest right now, Dr. Peter McCullough. He is someone who came to the attention of the general populace recently when he spoke for three hours to Joe Rogan. And interestingly, Joe Rogan was listening for all three hours. It went viral, as they say, metaphorically, not in the medical sense, because Dr. McCullough is a very well-respected physician in the Dallas area, cardiologist, who has some things to say about the so-called pandemic,

these vaccines, all very interesting and important, and we're glad to have them. Dr. McCullough, welcome the program. Well, thanks for having me. As introduced, I'm a practicing internist and cardiologist. I'm also trained in epidemiology, and I spend about half of my time in clinical practice, and then half the time as an author and an editor of a major journal in a clinical investigator, so I do research. And I have, in my whole career, I've been dedicated to, you know, the science of medicine and advancing medicine.

So when COVID-19 hit, I knew this was a big task, and it was going to take many, many specialists across a variety of medical specialties, infectious disease, hematology, oncology, cardiology, since the virus was such a broad-ranging pathogen that it was going to take all hands on deck. And so, as you've mentioned, I've contributed academically to the pandemic response. I have over 50 papers on the pandemic, including the two seminal papers, on how to treat COVID-19 to avoid hospitalization and death. To avoid hospitalization and death. try to avoid hospitalization, and sometimes I also try to avoid death. Most people listening,

I think, have so far successfully avoided death. It's kind of a big thing in life to avoid death. And so when you talk about this, I have to joke because how outrageous that anybody needs to even mention this, we assume those of us who are not doctors, kind of assume this is what doctors do. They help us to avoid death and further illness. But you've got to. gotten considerable, really startling pushback from some people who, I guess, consider themselves authorities. If they don't like what you say, they label it misinformation. This to me is the real headline and the real bad news in America today. But let's get to the specifics before we get to why some people would label some of what you said misinformation. What is it

that you're saying that you know to be true that some people don't like to hear? I mean, let's let's start with with the vaccine. I have read enough to make me think that for most people, the idea of getting the vaccine is a bad idea and that it was developed of, you know, under emergency circumstances, kind of like, okay, we've got the black death coming. We're going to lose a third of our population. Let's do anything we can to get something to help people. Where we are today, to me seems dramatically different. I've heard a lot of anecdotal information about deaths and debilitating results probably, or at least potentially, from the vaccine. So wisdom would seem to say, don't take it, but there's this big push for everyone to take it.

What's your response? I published an op-ed in the Hill last year in August of 2020 before the vaccines ever came out. And I agree with you, Eric. I said the vaccines were a bad idea because they were genetic transfer technology programs. They actually installed the gene into the body. that makes the dangerous spike protein, that actually we cause the body to make a dangerous foreign protein that damages the brain, the heart, causes blood clotting. It's a very dangerous idea.

It's an uncontrolled production of spike protein for an uncontrolled duration of time. It's very different than a tetanus shot. A tetanus shot is a set amount of tetanus toxoid, and that's it. And so the tetanus shot or the hepatitis B shot is a known defined entity. The COVID-19 vaccines are completely uncontrolled, and there must be some people who take up a lot of genetic material or strategically in critical organs, and the spike protein causes damage and death. And our FDA agrees. The FDA has official warnings for Pfizer-Moderna causing heart damage, for Johnson & Johnson causing blood clots, causing paralysis. And with any product, there's risks and benefits.

So the vaccines always must be presented with risks and benefits. For a widely used product, if we got to five deaths that were unexplained immediately after taking the product, it would get a black box warning. If we got to 50 deaths, it would be off the market. It would be off the market. We passed those limits with the vaccine January 22nd of last year. January 22nd. We are already over the line. The program should have been stopped for excess death. Now we've raised up to 21,000 deaths in the CDC VAIR system, half of which are known to be domestic. cases. We've got a CMS whistleblower lawsuit where they think from CMS data, the number of deaths after the vaccine for the whole country is 45,000 in the early summer. Now we've got paper

from Columbia, Penta Zatos and Seliglin. They think the number really could be now through December 178,000 Americans losing their lives after their vaccine, literally within a couple days of taking it. Okay, look, this sounds like madness. In other words, in a civilized society, if something like this were perpetrated, the people behind it would go to jail, and the people whose family members died would want to kill them personally. But since we live in a civilized society, we would go to the courts and we would say these people must be put behind bars. What they have done is unconscionable.

It would be unconscionable if they weren't doctors. If they're doctors who've taken the Hippocratic oath, it's the more horrific. How do you suppose we have gotten to a place? What do you think is the mechanism or what are the reasons that we could come to a place where you know that people have died because of the vaccine? And somehow that information is being called misinformation. The CDC puts out the data. We can go to openvars data.com and look at the weekly overlay. So the CDC is showing the death count as it continues to mount.

And there are published papers, one by Rose, one by McLachlan, early in the pandemic. showing 86% of the deaths have no other explanation outside they've taken the vaccine. So Americans, despite the suppression of information, they know this risk is real. And so vaccine rates plummeted in mid-April. No one's wanted to take the vaccines. They were offering a million-dollar raffles, hot dogs, beer, a trip to the brothel. Nobody would take the vaccines. So that's the reason why they're mandated.

You know, we don't have to have mandates for the meningococcal vaccine for college kids or hepatitis B vaccine. we all accept safe vaccines. I think the word is out on the street. People know the vaccines are grossly unsafe and they can lose their life shortly after taking one of them. Well, there were a number of articles recently about how the vaccines are affecting menstrual cycles, bizarre things like this that I'm reading about.

And I'm thinking, my goodness, why would a young person take a vaccine that could wreak havoc with, with future reproductive health. Why is it being pushed on the young? What do you suppose is behind that? The young, the risks are unique. It probably depends on blood flow,

but there was a biodistribution study done by Pfizer for the Japanese regulatory authorities that show the vaccines, the lipid nanoparticles, hyperconcentrate in the ovaries while they tend to wash out of the other organs. So it's no surprise there's menstrual irregularities. There was an animal study done.

Moderna for the EMA showing reduced fertility in animals with the vaccine. So it's very plausible that the vaccines are going to cause not only menstrual irregularities, but later on problems with fertility, particularly with repeated injections, because we know the spike protein is produced there in the ovaries. It damages the ovarian cells and tissues. And you get to a certain limit of tissue injury, there's going to be basically commuter genesis failure, and failure to produce eggs. We know in men, young men, the risk is myocarditis, our heart inflammation.

The heart takes up a tremendous blood flow. The androgens are developing the heart muscle. Men have a risk of myocarditis that's astronomical. The paper from Kaiser Permanente demonstrated the numbers between 400 and 500 young men, ages 18 to 24 is the peak per million, will develop myocarditis. The background rate that we ever see with myocarditis with a viral infection is about four per million. And so we know that the tradeoff, Tracy Hogue from UC Davis, is published it. A young man is far more likely to be hospitalized with myocarditis and suffer permanent heart damage or cardiac death than ever get hospitalized with COVID-19 in the respiratory.

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And I think the word is out on the streets, to quote Starsky and Hutch, my favorite crime drama of the 70s. The word is out on the streets that these vaccines are not good and that probably you shouldn't get them. Why do you see the pushback? You're a doctor. Why do you suppose the medical community has been practically supine? They simply have not been willing, apart from you and a few other doctors, been willing to face the medical facts and to speak from that point of view. There's been a tremendous flow of money from the federal government to health care institutions through what's called COVID relief funding that has a lot of FAQs or a lot of strength. strings attached, and one of them is to strongly promote the vaccine. In fact, it's called regulatory

capture, and in many ways, these systems are captured. There's also, I think, a great fear among physicians and health care providers of the virus, despite there's never been a major hospital outbreak of COVID-19. There hasn't been well-documented cases of physicians transmitting the virus back and forth to patients. The only area where we really had clear health care worker patient outbreaks was in nursing homes. My view on this is that vaccination should have been limited to nursing home residents, nursing home workers, and maybe high-risk seniors. But this broad-based vaccine program has opened up really a situation where there's little benefit and a great opportunity with large numbers to accrue harm, what's called vaccine injuries and vaccine

associated dust. And to make matters worse, mass vaccination has promoted the hyper-dominant including the Delta and now the Omicron strain. You think the vaccinations, the mass vaccination has pushed the disease forward rather than ending the disease generally? Yeah, that's true. We knew before vaccination. We always had a blend of mutant strains or different strains. It was called variance of interest and then variance of concern, which is perfectly fine. There should be variation in nature.

But once we have a vaccine and one of the strains can figure out how to beat the vaccine, it will become the hyper-dominant strain. That's happened with Delta. And I can tell you, as a treating doctor, Delta was very hard to treat. It affected younger people. It was very invasive. It was a long illness. And now we have Omicron.

Omicron has actually learned how to beat natural immunity and vaccine immunity. And now Omicron is touching everybody. Fortunately, Omicron is less invasive. Tends to have no pulmonary symptoms. It's like a head cold. And in a sense, Omicron is almost like Mother Nature's booster for both the naturally immune and those who have taken the vaccine. Wow.

I think what I'm struck by most is what looks like a cavalier attitude on the part of government officials and medical leaders with regard to death. In other words, if you're talking in the abstract, you know, like Orson Wells riding the Ferris wheel in Vienna in the third man, looking down at these abstract people moving. They're not, they don't have any humanity. They're just dots moving. And if one stops moving, who cares?

It seems to me that what we expect from doctors in particular, among some has gone away. In other words, these are just numbers to them. When we hear about deaths, what do you think could account for that? I mean, it's something that is very troubling, that's putting it mildly to me and I think to most people in America, have always looked to doctors as a class of professionals that we respected profoundly. Matthias Desmond, the psychology professor at the University of Ghent, and now Dr. Mark

McDonald's psychiatrist in L.A., they think we're in a mass formation psychosis, that, in fact, we've fulfilled all the criteria. We've had a prolonged period of having isolation. Number two, we've had things taken away from us. We enjoy number three. We have constant free-floating anxiety like President Biden's most recent statement about a long, dark, deadly winner. And then number four, the Kapper, we've had a single solution presented by an entity of authority, the vaccine. And in mass psychosis, the solution is so absurd. It would be like one of these religious cult mass suicides, where you end the situation by, in a sense, everyone taking their lives. Or in Nazi Germany, you have a situation where you have,

genocide and people walk into gas chambers. And remember, in these examples, the physicians are easily in the mass psychosis, that in a sense they are agents of the crimes against humanity that are being performed. You've been on the record saying that you actually think that the pandemic was planned to some extent, that there were people who knew this was coming. I don't know what evidence we have of that, but it's horrifying even to contemplate. What are your views? on that idea? You know, it's not my idea, my scholarship, but I'd point you to Peter Breggen and Ginger Breggen,

COVID-19 and the Global Predators. We Are the Prey. That book has, it's nonfiction, it's written as pinpoint in terms of its citations. There's no doubt about it that there were planning seminars by Johns Hopkins saying it's going to be a coronavirus. It's going to hit America. This was back in 2017.

They published their proceedings. There's no doubt about it that Moderna and Pfizer and all the companies were ready. They're actually preparing vaccines against a coronavirus long before I had ever left the lab. And it's a complex web of governments. I guess the question is, how's that anything, just playing devil's advocate, has that anything but good business? They're saying this is happening.

We want to be ahead of the curve. But what do you see that's more nefarious than greed or that kind of thinking? I mean, it's one of two options. It's either very good planning and very good pandemic planning, or it's something that was leveraged. And no one will know until the full sets of investigations are done here. But it is uncanny how so many stakeholders knew a coronavirus pandemic was going to hit the world. Do you think Dr. Fauci was involved in gain of function research in Wuhan

and that the American taxpayers helped to fund the creation, of what ends up being this deadly virus? Yeah, I've been to China five times, and I've been in some of the Chinese labs in these research centers. I can tell you this much, they didn't need any money. China has plenty of money. So U.S. funding to a China lab, in my view, is immaterial. I think what the Chinese needed is they needed intellectual property

to make the virus far more invasive and far more lethal. That's what happened at what's called Fioran-Klebech joint, and all that seems to be between entities, in the United States, the National Institutes of Health, and the Wuhan lab in virology. So I think the U.S. was involved, in a sense, in the creation of this terrifying virus. The question is always what were the intentions? In other words, it's one thing, you know, to ride science to the edge of the cliff. And it's another to do that intentionally knowing the risk and saying we don't care about the risks and being cavalier.

it seems to me that Fauci and others in moving along with this gain of function research, they simply didn't think it could go wrong, it could escape from the lab. I guess that's, to me, that's the safest interpretation, but that it did and that somebody needs to be held to account. Do you think that there are people who need to be held to account and who are they? Yeah, well, that kind of goes along what Scott Atlas thinks. He has a book out about the pandemic response, you know, about the White House. He was on the inside. I've had a chance to have dinner with Scott and go over it with him.

He thinks that the players, if you will, at the federal agencies, he thinks they're just incompetent. That they did. Things got way out of control, way over their head. He thinks they don't understand the data and that they're far behind in understanding what's going on with the pandemic. And it was just easier for them to adopt a talking point, that is take the vacancy. and don't ask any questions. They really don't know the data on vaccine safety and efficacy. They don't understand how this rapid fire development of these various strains and what's going on. So he thinks it's a crisis of incompetence. Other people think that, boy, they must know everything

and they're held accountable. Obviously, Senator Ram Paul is going after them very hard. Reiner Fulmich, the attorney in Germany has filed crimes against humanity. We'll have to see all this coming out through, you know, coming out through the investigations and court cases. In the short term, I think you've said this, and it's my opinion, that what happened early on was that what could have cured people was being discouraged. There were protocols and hospitals and so on and so forth, so that even though doctors said, I would give my patient ivermectin, I would do this, that somehow they were pressured not to do those things. And because of that, people died, and then the numbers of those who died were used as a cudgel to say, this is dangerous, shut up, and do what you're told.

I agree with that interpretation. This will have to be my last answer. But I agree with that interpretation. I think it was very intentional. The suppression of hydroxychloroquine and the statements of the FDA were very intentional overt. And now with Ivermectin, the American Medical Association has announced an official campaign to abolish the U.S. use of ivermectin, abolished the use. Now, this is a drug that's first-line in Mexico, South America, across India, and Japan. So we've never had the American Medical Association,

which is not a treating organization, which is more like a political action organization. We've never had the American Medical Association tried to change American prescribing practices. So you're right. These are case examples of things being far out of line. Doctors needed support to do everything they could to save lives, and they never got it. fact, they have received a lot of headwind. In case you haven't been paying attention, the Biden administration has caused a financial crisis and they have no clue how to fix it. Oil prices have skyrocketed. And when oil prices go up, the cost of transportation and shipping spikes leading the prices of goods to rise. And when we're already seeing record inflation, that's the last thing we need. Our economy is in

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Maybe we'll do that. Maybe we'll do that. Or we might talk to Naomi Wolfe. Yes. We have them both here today. So we don't know if we're going to continue talking about pandemics and that stuff, or if we're going to talk current events, we don't know. But this we do know.

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is more like a common cold as opposed to a flu that's going to last three weeks. And also the whole idea of mass psychosis where we've all been trained now to think in a certain way. And the solution is Dr. Jim Jones. You must take the Kool-Aid. Drink the Kool-Aid. Which it was actually flavor aid, not Kool-Aid. Right. Right. Listen, seriously, we are living, I have to say this periodically on this program, just to remind you, folks, there are people around us, and it's very difficult to watch. People around us who are insane, they have gone insane. It's very painful to see it, but we have to be honest with each other, and you have to hang around people who are not insane to encourage each other that one plus one still equals two. There are

only two sexes. It's very simple. And, you know, the idea that somebody, a thousand feet from you not wearing a mask is an assassin because he's not wearing a mask. I mean, there are people, let's be clear. These people have always been crazy. It's just that now it's being revealed. But don't abet it. Don't aid and abet the crazy. Be strong. Speak the truth. Be kind to people with whom you disagree. Okay, we're going to play right now a final few minutes with Dr. McCullough, and right after that, we've got a surprise. Folks, I'm talking to Dr. Peter McCullough. Okay, 30 seconds, it's unbelievable to me in America that we could have people saying you cannot use this drug. We're going to try to get it so you can't use the drug that is saving lives. Where's that coming from?

At least, if you can speculate, and then thank you. I think it's part of a really an organized plan to promote as much fear, suffering, hospitalization, and death in order to get the population to accept mass vaccination on a very frequent basis now every three months. But why? That's what I don't get. The why and the who? I don't know. I mean, I don't have any secret connections to the stakeholders. People are writing books trying to figure this out. I told Tucker Carlson this on his long program back in May. His eyes got big as saucers. The same thing with Joe Rogan has been going on. We're two years. into this and believe me, people are still having trouble getting early treatment. And it's not just

hydroxychloricone and ivermectin. Now it's monoclonal antibodies. These are fully EUA approved and still we don't, you know, the one we need is a GSK product and our federal government still is not providing an ample supply to us. We've had since May since it's been approved to have us treat our high risk seniors. I know you have to go. We are grateful, Dr. McCulloch for your time. God bless you and thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Bye-bye. I'm a lot like you were. Oh man, look at my life. I'm a lot like you.

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Use the code, Eric. Hey, folks, I don't mean to freak you out, but sometimes I'm verbally playful, and I like to do things like book Dr. Peter McCullough next to my friend Kevin McCullough, you know, just to be Nabokovian and clever. And so Kevin McCullough, maybe it's easy for us just today to call you Vostradamus. So people know that you're not a medical doctor. You're a prognosticator of the political, of things political. Good to see you, my friend. But, you know, we are in an election year, so it's time to pull the Vostradamus stuff back out. Because I don't do a lot of predicting in the non-election years,

but I can tell you how things are shaping up as we get closer to it. Even when you're not predicting explicitly, you are predicting. and prophetic in the way you talk about politics. So it's interesting to talk to you. But look, you are a news guy. Happy New Year to you. Let me ask you something. Does my hair look dry to you?

Do you think I need to use a different conditioner? I don't know. I mean, anybody asking me about the condition of their hair is just cruel at this point. What about my skin? Do you think I need a different astringent? I don't know why I'm talking about this. I just don't want to talk about anything serious because it's so depressing. Let's talk about something incredibly.

depressing. The, what's that guy's name, Joe Biden? The political hack. I always forget, the guy who lives in Baltimore. What's his name? Biden, yes. Joe Biden. Okay, yeah. Let's talk about that. Did he give a speech yesterday of some kind? He did. He and the asterisk vice president and the asterisk president both traveled to Atlanta yesterday to formally oppose the current voting rights reforms that Georgia has put in place there and to try to advocate for the quote voting rights bill that they're going to have Chuck Schumer try to push through the Senate next week. It's not going to go anywhere because you don't have enough Democrats to support it, but that they're not, that's not stopping them from trying to make the case. Could I make a prediction since your votes Stradamus

and sometimes I have things that I want to say that are predictive? Sure. I think if you remember the story of Herod's demise, I think it's possible. that Joe Biden will be eaten by worms. I'm just saying that. I'm just saying that. I'm just putting that out there, man. Eric, I think we all are at some point. But he is no, no, no, no, no.

I mean before he's, I mean before he's a corpse. I think I want to say before we get to what he said yesterday, what he said on January 6th, never in my life have I been more disgusted with a political figure. I've never seen, I mean, it's one thing to say that people playing politics. What he said on January 6th was so extraordinarily unprecedentedly despicable that I was amazed. I was taken aback that because, you know, people who are experts at, you know, when they look at you, they can tell if you're lying, there's certain tells by the way you move your head or something like that. Sure. It really is almost astonishing to me that he was able to get those foul words out of his mouth.

I was just watching it in awe of the level of lying. I had never seen – I mean, it's one thing to differ with somebody politically. Fine. That's what America's all about. But he said some things that were just insidious lies about the former president, about those who voted for the former president. I thought if anybody ever delegitimized themselves genuinely, what he said on January 6th, it just made him he's dead, it's over. I don't know what's going to happen to him,

but I do know that he crossed the line. I've never seen anything like it. I don't think I've said much about it on the air, but it really just was horrifying to me. and I grieve for my for my nation well Eric the the truth of what you're saying here and I want your viewers to be clear that what you're talking about is the anniversary of January 6th not the original January 6th yeah just a few days ago he made some comments he have so much more now a year later than we did then and it wasn't just him Eric that speech that he gave on January 6th

22, kicked off an entire week of blatant, bald-faced fabrications made not just by the asterisk president, Mr. Biden, or the asterisk vice president, Kamala Harris. And she said some whoppers, too. She equated January 6th with the falling of the Twin Towers and saying that the suffering was of equitable nature and all this kind of nonsense. But that's spilled over into Nancy Pelosi, who within another day said that it was a Trump. Trump supporter that had overrun the Capitol Hill Gate and had actually tried to kill some people. You may remember vaguely that incident happening after January 6th. That was proven to be a Lou Farrakhan supporter who was an avowed Trump hater.

So, you know, it's just another layer. Then you get to the end of last week, Eric, and you have these arguments for or against the vaccine mandate being made in the public session of the court. and they allow us to peek in and listen in on their things now. And the stuff that the left of Senator Justices on the highest court, the most elite judicial authorities in the country, said and read into the record of this argument, were mind-numbingly dishonest.

Mr. Breyer, for example, said that within the previous 24 hours, 750 million new infections had been accounted for. Eric, we have less than 330 million people living in America. That's more than two infections per person. That's a really stupid mistake, but it's not a vile lie in the way that some of others promoted. Well, I don't know that it is or not. You're giving him a great deal of grace there. But the crem de la cremeur was Sonia Sotomayor in her persistence to try to throw off the council

that was making the argument against the mandate, saying to them that there were 100,000 children in hospitals many of them on ventilators. Eric, I went and looked up the data immediately. If you follow me on Instagram, you know that I've posted regularly the death rates of COVID positive people and heart disease and cancer. There are only 119,000 people hospitalized for COVID in the nation as we sat there that day.

So you're saying 100,000 of them were children when the data shows that only five children are hospitalized out of every 100,000 hospitalizations. There was maybe six kids in the hospital, None of them on ventilators that I could find. Six, 100,000. Who's counting? Hey, we're all about grace.

We're all about grace, bro. And it's a whole consistent pattern, Eric, that they used to do kind of in the shade. They would make more implications than direct statements. They wouldn't campaign on things that were factually false. The left has lost its rooting, its mooring, anything that's holding it to reality. But how many people do we know in the evangelical church who do not give a damn about it? this. They absolutely don't seem to understand that when leaders lie, when they do these kinds of things, it hurts people. We have many in the evangelical church who have absolutely turned a blind

eye. Again, this rises to levels unprecedented in American life. I mean, it's one thing to say we have differences. This is a level of political theater, of lying and grandstanding that is so pernicious to the fabric of the republic. And we have many in the church who simply don't seem to care, or they think caring means being overly political. I mean, I just want to say that because I can't believe things could get to this level, and people would just say, well, I'm not called to talk about that. I know in some respects the perception of how it's going is related to who we interact with,

and I will just tell you, in my sphere of activity and influence, in the pastors that I interact with, a lot of them here in the New York area, I've had a number of them actually apologize to me for doubting what I was saying going into the 2020 election because what they have seen as the result of the Biden administration has been so far beyond what they would have found to be acceptable. They never would have stayed silent to the degree that they did or even supportedly, tacitly, a Biden campaign the way they did.

And I've actually accepted those apologies because the point now is, We've got another opportunity to impact the direction of the country coming up in less than 11 months, and we need to make sure that we're on board with the right information and we're able to make the right choices. Kevin, let me just say, by the way, anytime anybody, anyone comes to his senses and apologizes, I am thrilled. This is not about grandstanding. I was right or whatever. But I think you're right that there are people that are seeing that what they sign.

up for. I think they're understanding that they're guilty. In other words, that they didn't listen to folks like us. They said, no, no, no, you're crazy. You're wrong. It's going to be good. He's going to unify the country. No one has ever been more incompetent and destructive as a president. Literally, no one. I've never seen anything like it. And I think in a way, America needed a spanking. And America needed to see how bad things can go super quickly if you elect somebody like this. like a just confirmed political hack who has never shown an ounce of vision or backbone, except for his own purposes. It's terrible, but it's true, and I think people are waking up.

So I'm glad to hear you say that because it's, you know, we're going through crazy times, but I think we kind of needed to go through this ugly stuff to wake some people up. But it sounds like they're waking up. Well, and again, that's partly, I have that perspective, partly because that's my experience and the pastors that I've interacted with. you may be talking to people that have an entirely different opinion. So I know that there's still kind of a torn situation here. But I think what's interesting, Eric, and I would encourage your listeners and viewers to try this.

Try to divorce the name of Trump from the policies of the previous four years and the name of Biden from the policies that we've seen and the direction that we've seen in the last 13 months. And just compare the policies side by side, what's happened in the economy. What's happened to your own personal investment portfolio? What's happened on the issue of life? What's happening in the courtrooms and in the school rooms where parents are now standing up and challenging because there's such an onslaught of this progressive stuff coming at them? I think that – and this is the thing I'm encouraged about, Eric, in the Glenn Youngkin win in Virginia,

and even in the Jack Churtearrelli near win in New Jersey this year, this last year, you had, I think a more awakened electoral population than you had had even in the presidential election of 2020. And if they stay awake, the left may be woke, but I think that those of us that are center-right are starting to wake up. And if we stay awake, we can do some good things about 10 months from now. And I also think, you know, that the lie that you can sort of separate politics and faith, ironically, I think tons of people who see what's happening politically are drifting over to faith in God and to understanding that the only explanation for the level of madness and wickedness is, in fact, evil, that it doesn't really make any other kind of sense,

that God has to be the answer because these problems don't seem the products of mere incompetence or difference of opinion. We're going to drag you over into our two more, McCullough, whether it's Peter, Kevin, who cares, who's counting? We'll be right back.