The Eric Metaxas Show - Dr. Simone Gold & John Strand - Part 2

Episode Date: May 9, 2023

Dr. Simone Gold and John Strand continue their conversation of medical ethics based on Darwinism -- and yet another look at what really happened on Jan 6 and the involvement of federal agents.

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No, go, go. No. Hey there, folks. I think it's Tuesday. It's Tuesday. I always want to come out there with a firm declaration. I think it's Tuesday. That's as good as I can do. First of all, yesterday, people often say to me,

hey, what's it like living in New York now? Have you been shot yet? Like, they kind of look at you, you know. And I think many people, most people, are just gullibly absorbing whatever the media. What do you think the media is going to focus on, if not, you know, we've heard this, the newspaper business. If it bleeds, it leads.

Like, whatever mayhem they can report on, you know. So the idea that New York is some dangerous place, I got to tell you, I'm sorry, I don't, you know, it may be more dangerous than it was five or ten years ago, but I don't see it as a dangerous place. Do bad things happen in a city of millions and millions and millions? Yes. are more bad things happening than a few years ago, yes. But in the scheme of things, I just want to be real clear.

I don't walk around worried or in fear. That's just a caricature. Yeah, that's my job. Now, most people in Chicago is a different story. Portland is a different story. We ain't Chicago and we ain't Portland. Yeah, that's our motto. But we don't have homes.

homeless tent cities in New York. You can take the subway in New York. I mean, we do. And so I want to just say that to people because we are, it's hard for us to understand how much we're affected by the media and how what reality is is mediated to us through our phones and through the media. And most of it is just nonsense. I mean, so yesterday, the weather was heavenly, and I was seated at an outdoor cafe on the Upper East Side, and I thought, this is so heavenly right now. And as if to complete the fantasy of, you know, what is life in New York like, who walks by Woody Allen and Sunyi, you know, just kind of walk by? And I thought, okay, there's Woody.

And as usual. And she's 25 now, right? She just turned 25. That's great. No, see, this is the other thing. It's like people are so sloppy. I've fixated on the past. And you had to go there.

But no, she's in her like, you know, late 40s. And it's just the whole thing. The bottom line is they've been married for 30 years. Yeah. But, you know, hey, there's Woody Allen. And as always happens to me, I mean, I'm not kidding, always. I see the celebrity. no one else sees them.

And it just cracks me up. I have this like useless celebr finder instinct that I can just, just in a glance, I see these people, nobody else sees them. But it's a wild thing to see the woodman,

as he's known colloquially, pass by and to enjoy New York. And, you know, so it's, it ain't what you've been hearing, kids. So let me, let me, also say, Albin, we have a very interesting show today. We do. The other day

we spent some time with our friends, Simone Gold, and John Strand. We also spent time with Brandon Strach. Now, some of you know their stories. If you haven't watched those videos,

if you haven't listened to those programs, you don't want to miss it. Because the horror of what has been done to not just decent but heroic, wonderful human beings, Americans by the politicized left is so despicable. You need to know about it. You need to hear their stories. So we had a Brandon Strock talk on the program, I guess it was last Wednesday for the whole show, or maybe it was Thursday. And then the following day, we had Simone Gold and John Strand. John Strand is facing sentencing

in any event, we taped more with Simone and John, and I wanted to play that in our one today. So we're going to play that. When we're done with this segment, we're going to play the rest of my conversation with Simone Gold and John Strand. And you ought to know who they are, because I promise you these are heroes.

I've gotten to know them. And, you know, there are some people that are they're sticking their necks out for you, and you should be grateful because they have really, really gone through it. As you'll hear, I don't know, I don't remember what we talked about and what we're going to air right now,

but John Strand, because he refuses to take a phony, filthy plea deal to agree to say, oh, yes, I did this and this and this, which he did not do. He refuses to do that on Christian conscience. He says, participate in their lies. And because of that, he's facing a lot of jail time, a lot of jail time. This is in the United States of America. Now, if you're not mad about that, you're part of the

problem. We need to deal with where we are as a nation. And what I've said a million times on this program, in speeches I give, in sermons I give around the country, this is on us, just as it was on the Germans in the 30s. They could have spoken against the evil. and they said, well, not yet. Let somebody else talk about it. Let somebody else go to concentration camp. I just want to keep doing my thing. Well, that makes you guilty.

And so in my book letter to the American Church, I make the case specifically that if you call yourself a Christian, particularly if you call yourself a Christian, you have no excuse. You have an obligation before God to speak the truth, to stick out your neck. We have people who are not Christians like Brandon Strach doing that.

We have people who are not Christians like Simone Gold doing that. Where is the church? I really think this is about as important a subject as there is. So we're going to do, we're going to play that with John and Simone.

And then in our two, we thought, since they were both in the student at the same time, I did a panel discussion with Brandon Strock and Simone Gold. So that is something. We've never really done that before. I have kind of a panel discussion like that because, of course, Simone and John are working

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Guess what? I'm talking to John Strand and Dr. Simone Gold. Remember them? I am so thrilled that I get to continue the conversation with you both. A couple things I want to cover. First of all, Simone, in your talk that you gave at my friend Rob McCoy's church in California, you talked about, because you're the daughter of someone who survived the Holocaust, about how dramatically similar things happened under the Nazis, how they defined science in a very self-serving parochial false way. That really happened. And we kind of tend to act like, oh, that's an outlier, that was the Nazis. So talk about that.

Right. So, you know, you look back on the past and it all just kind of is amorphous and flows together. But then look at the details. If you look at the actual details and you say, are there parallels in the past that you can draw on reference today? So people say, oh, that couldn't. happened now, but let's see how it all started. The Nazis, of course, we all know, they killed Jews and they killed homosexuals and they killed gypsies, they killed communists, they killed anyone they could, right? Anyone wasn't pure Aryan in there, by their definition. But that was

the kind of their end point. Their starting point was a lot of scientists gave them cover to do the violence and the mayhem that they did. There was specifically the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, which was run by a fellow who actually won the Nobel Prize in Medicine, a fellow who was not considered anti-Semitic, not considered particularly political, was just considered to be all about the science. And he came up with all sorts of status documents and data showing what they wanted to show. Jews were a different race.

Jews were inferior the way their skulls and their noses were and the brain. All this stuff. All this. They used anthropologists. They used psychologists. They used medical doctors to prove what they wanted to prove, which is that there's a subhuman race and therefore you could kill this race. Okay, so this is based on.

I mean, this is the eugenics movement comes out of that. The abortion movement comes out of that. And ultimately, it flows from Darwin, this idea that, you know what, there's no God. And science shows us that some groups are more evolved and superior to others. That was science in the 1920s. Right. But exactly. My point is saying that the politician to have a particular goal,

will harness the science is to serve that political goal. In other words, it's all. Lies, damned lies, and medical statistics. That's right. No, no, no. But I guess the point is, you know, people familiar with my Bonhoeffer book know that Dietrich Bonhofer's father was probably the most famous doctor in Germany. He was behind the scenes dealing with this in the medical establishment and testified against the famous T4 program that they were going to kill euthan. mentally feeble people.

And he testified. I mean, we act like this happened, you know, a long time ago in a galaxy far away. It was the same thing. And the point is, I'm not saying that we're going to see the eugenics movement come in the same way or twin studies, the way Mangala did it. So that's where they're fooling people because they're saying, well, it's never going to be like that. You're right. It's going to be the 21st century version of that.

The point is you have to recognize the politicians, and the scientists working like that. And that's what I saw in 2020, is they had the politicians or the bureaucrats, CDC, they were relying on scientists to say a certain thing that would give them cover to do this other political thing that they wanted. That's the commonality.

Do you think Fauci or Francis Collins will ever have to face any music? I used to say no. I used to say that I think they're going to just get away with it on this earth. But I'm not so sure. There's been a lot of people clamoring for, for their next. I put it at, I think they might have to face the music.

And by the way, America's frontline doctors is getting into that space. Okay. Well, I say this just because, you know, just to let people know, you know, a number of years ago, I would have thought of Dr. Francis Collins as a friend and an ally. And what I have seen is very difficult to process. At the end of the day, you know, we're talking about, these are all the big questions. What is freedom? What is truth? What is America? Now, you, John, you mentioned American exceptionalism.

Our nation, and I've written about this and talked about all the time, was founded in a way that was unique and beautiful. And it's taken us a long time to drift so far from where we started. But you're hopeful that we can find our way back somehow. Yeah, so I wrote a piece for the Epic Times a couple years ago called Why Do We Hate America? And it's a provocative title, of course, but I came to this realization that people in our society who are American citizens actually hate their own country. And they certainly hate people like myself and yourself that stand for that country. So how did that happen?

And they don't see it as hating America from their perspective. but when you hate something, you cuss at it and disrespect it and you burn it to the ground. And that's what we saw people doing throughout cities in 2020, the summer of love. People acting out on their clear, obvious hatred of the country and what it stands for. So first of all, we have to recognize that's where we're at and that's what's happening. So how do you counter hatred? Well, with the truth, with education. And that comes from history and philosophy.

Fundamentally, it comes from God's word. I mean, I fundamentally believe that's the starting point of truth, as do you, and as did the founding fathers that built this country. So their understanding was that God has empowered every individual to be a king, a queen, a priest in God's family that answers to him, not to any other king. And we've lost that. Right.

Well, again, that's the backbone of what it is to be free. what it is to be self-governing. And we have drifted from that. And really since the 60s have ceased to teach that and have kind of hooked on, at least the cultural elites, have hooked on to this other narrative,

the secular narrative, the narrative of the anti-hero, the anti-American narrative. And that has worked its way through the decades. I mean, I encountered it for the first time when I went to Yale. Working class,

son of European immigrants, thrilled to come to America, whatever. And suddenly, I'm confronted with the views of the cultural elites who say, yeah, America's bad. And I thought, well, that's interesting. Where did that come from? And, of course, I drank that Kool-Aid.

I drank that Kool-Aid. So on the one hand, the answer is easy. In the other hand, it's technically complicated. The problem is that they're controlling the entities and the institutions. So the way most people get this misinformation in their life, it's honestly, it's media for sure, but it's also the schools. You have to march, but it's like a very, I know it's complicated. I'm a parent.

If you had told me five years ago, you had to homeschool your kids, it would have been completely foreign to me. But the answer is to extricate yourself from the power. The good news about that is that it's very easy after that. Like all the truth, all the love, all the honesty is really on our side. So if the parents take control again within their family, it's actually quite lovely. I'm a huge advocate of homeschooling. And I think a lot of people, I don't know what the statistics are,

but I think in Texas, it doubled. It doubled. It doubled. People woke up and said, what the heck? I was homeschooled. Are they teaching our kids? So you were homeschooled, which is why, hey, you believe in bravery and goodness and, you know, all those hokey, corny ideas that we don't teach in schools anymore.

But the fact is that there is a way forward, and day by day people are waking up. Well, and something I think is interesting is we were talking about motives, right, and how people who do evil many times don't perceive themselves as doing evil. And we've lost liberty in America. We're losing it rapidly. How did that happen? Not because a whole bunch of people who are like, I don't want to be free anymore.

They don't see it that way. Right. But you cannot be free without responsibility. It doesn't exist. That's a law of nature that God has created that cannot be undermined. And they want to deceive us with the woke witchcraft kind of thing, like, oh, you can have your cake and eat it too. And so people are not shunning freedom per se,

but they're shunning the responsibility that is inherent in that freedom. There's like a mile marker for me. I remember right after 9-11, the view was on the air, and there was so little that was back on the air. And I tuned in, and Joy Behar, bless her heart, said, I think we should, in other words, in her mind, And in the mind of a lot of liberals, the idea is that freedom, well, they see the Taliban as the equivalent of the religious right. Like serious, you know, conservative Christians and Jews are legalistic just like the Taliban.

And I remember Joy Beyer saying like, yeah, you know, freedom, yeah, we need to drop, you know, Pam Anderson porn videos over Afghanistan to let them know. kind of what we believe. In other words, she had equated freedom with license. The concept of what we know to be American freedom for which

patriots have died is not that. But that's what the cultural elites and increasingly more and more people in America have confused. And so unless we teach what American freedom, what it is that people died for, it wasn't for that. It wasn't for that. It

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Homeschooling your kids is kind of a quick and easy answer that anyone can do. Well, let's not say quick and easy. Well, whatever it is. Believe me, it is utterly doable. And people say, I'm not qualified. You're totally wrong. You are totally wrong. You are more than qualified. But what about the medical establishment?

That seems to me, you know, I can't like, I can't do open heart surgery on myself or my kids. How does that work? Right. So we've been brainwashed into thinking that medicine is so different than every other discipline. It's so different, so complicated. You can't possibly understand it, Eric. I think Trump even kind of fell for that a little bit. Like they said it's a black box of medicine.

Well, yeah, when he turned it over to Birx and Fauci. But we've been training people for generations to believe that. But I'm a doctor and a lawyer, and I'm telling you it is not much more complicated than other very complicated areas of life like tax, etc. What has gone wrong is that the institution, the insurance companies and the hospitals are now sitting on top of the doctor, on top of the patient. But you can extricate yourself on that system, and you can hire a consultant like a... Go ahead. No, no, I just realized where you're going with this. Beirocratic tyranny.

You have started something called... Goldcare.com. Ha ha! It's a solution. We have a solution. No, no, seriously. I'm all about solutions. But seriously, Simone, the fact that you've done this, I thank God for you, because people want to know, and I'm not saying this is the only answer, but the thing is people realistically don't know where to turn.

Right. Because they just feel there's a bureaucracy. What else is there? Listen, I... But there are alternatives, and you have yourself started one of those. It's exactly right. The free market will determine if I'm the best one. So I welcome all that competition.

But what we need are free market solutions that put the patients back in charge. The same way as you hire real estate advisor, a tax advisor, then you know that that person is working for you. Maybe they're good, maybe they're not good. The free market helps you decide that. You can go to Yelp reviews and go ask your friends, price, et cetera.

But they're only working for you. They're not working for some other entity. Right now your doctor's not working for you. You can't even get a straight answer. This is so critical because in that moment of medical need, people feel super helpless and they are vulnerable to anything. They're vulnerable to all kinds of propaganda,

to censorship. You're fearful. I've got to take my grandmother to the hospital. What do I do? You need a straight answer from someone who's not going to lie to you. Goalcare.com is one of those places. And someone who's not incentivized to kill you. I mean, what is what they were doing in the hospitals?

There are specific examples of Medicare policies that the only reason they existed that I can detect is to kill you. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Who are we to judge? So what is goldcare.com? Goldcare.com is national telemedicine. So across the nation, you become a member of gold care. Once you become a member, you can keep the government over here,

and we just talk to you as a member of the family. It's called the Private Membership Association. That's our foundation. It's private, like the NACP is, like the AMA is, like the RNC is. So we have a complete separate structure outside the government. Then you get to talk to a Gold Care doctor, who I've vetted for the last two years, I've been handpicking these people

who are not focused on ordering tests and ordering prescriptions for you. They're focused on actually making you well. We have a pharmacist whose job is to deprescribe. Have you ever heard a doctor say that? Let's get you off your medications. Deprescribing. I'm just like smiling inside and outside

because we just did an interview with a friend of mine, not a medical professional, but he's been through this on the patient's side and wrote a book about it, and we're going to air that soon. but he talks about the same thing about how there are people, my parents, taking all of these drugs and you think, okay, who prescribed these drugs? Are they aware of the side effects?

Do they care? What is the long term? And you know, we all know, that doctors have become incentivized to just prescribe this and this and this and this and to prescribe that test. because guess what? The insurance pays for it. You don't pay for it? And it's quick for the doctor.

So the insurance pays for it, and it's quick. If you're under the gun as the doctor, most doctors are now really held to, like, every 15 minutes they have to see a new patient. Well, it's way easier to order tests and to order a prescription than to actually talk to the patient for 45 minutes.

But if the relationship was just the doctor, the patient, it's actually less expensive and more meaningful to both sides. I'm so excited about it because the system is so bad right now. The medical industrial complex is so bad that I seriously don't. see how we can't succeed because that's so bad.

I want goldcare.com to become a sponsor of the Eric Metaxa shows so I can talk about this every single day. That's a good idea. I'm not kidding. That's a good idea. Because I want to tell you this is, when you said, you know, homeschool, I'm like, yeah. And that is easy. I'm telling you.

I mean, we've had so many people on this program. I know so many people from everybody, if you think it's difficult, let me just tell you, you're wrong. You're just wrong. You've been sucked in by the propaganda. It's the most beautiful thing. even say if you're the worst homeschooling parent in the world

and you lie on your couch while your kid does nothing, that's better than sending them to the propaganda mills where they're getting indoctrinated with lunacy. So the worst you can do is better than what they're getting in most public schools.

But when it came to the medical thing, I thought, wait a minute, that's tough. But by the grace of God, gold care dot com and others are rising up, but most people don't know about it, which is why I get to do this program and I get to tell people about it and to give them hope. So we're going to go to a break, but we've got more, but I'm really so excited about that,

folks. Check out goldcure.com. Thank you, Simone Gold. I can't believe it. We'll be right back. Welcome back. Talking to Dr. Simone Gold and John Strand. John, how can people find you?

John Strand.com? Yes, sir. Johnstrand.com. And Dr. Simonegold. dot com. Now, we were talking about goldcare.com, which makes me so excited. Thank you, Jesus. That is just the idea that there are people rising up and doing these kinds of things. And it had to get this bad for people to find these solutions, so this is exciting. But you, we were talking about your facing sentencing on June 1st. So I hope people will pray. This is, to quote Thomas Payne,

these are the times that try men's souls. There are many people languishing in jails, facing sentencing besides yourself. As a nation, we have to deal with this. Just like we had to deal with ugly things in our past, the way we treated the Native Americans,

the way we treated blacks. We have a checkered past, but by the grace of God, we have the opportunity to face our sins and to repent and to turn away. We're in the middle of that right now with our justice system and particularly with J6. Well, and with January 6th, people still don't understand it's a lie, actually. Thank God to Tucker Carlson for revealing some of those shocking footage pieces because that cracked the door a little bit.

But it's still pervading the public consciousness that, this was this really terrible event. And someone actually keyed me into this false dichotomy that were being trapped in, just like Republican Democrat, like, oh, this side of that, no, no, it's all one cesspool of corruption. And January 6th, they're fooling you into thinking it was either a terrible event because the government's corrupt and weaponized against American citizens,

or it was a terrible event because white racist Trump supporters try to storm the Capitol and destroy democracy. those aren't the only two options. No one's even thought about this, really. But we need to rethink what happened on January 6th. So what do you say that happened? Because I would go with the former of those two. So I would as well in the sense that, like I mentioned,

there's a plethora of specific evidence showing the government's involvement and instigation. They have admitted themselves in court that there, I think we're up to 40 plus government. from an agent's undercover, not just generally, but 40 undercover agents that were involved that day, they were acting as agent provocateurs, that is their words, not mine. So this is all pretty much out in the open. Yes, the government is culpable, and we could go on at length about it, but that's a fact.

However, that's not how it's being perceived, and it's not how it's being communicated or packaged for the people. It's being packaged as this terrible event, and terrible things happened that day. But the heart and soul of January 6th was not a terrible thing at all. It was the most important thing that could ever be. And if we don't remember that and reclaim that, we'll lose it. Okay. So, may I share? So here's where I think people don't understand.

We are not saying that there were not moments that were violent, just like we saw on TV. The problem was all the rest of the other time, the 99% was suppressed from ever being shown on the media. So we acknowledge that there were bad people doing some bad things. People breaking windows. There was that, but there's something called omission bias. No, I got to. They omitted to allow, no, but it was specific. They specifically, people were taking selfies or cell phones, and big tech companies were blocking the transmission of those videos to friends.

It's been out in the open and shown now. So what we're saying is we're not saying that the 1% of the things that you saw wasn't real. We're not saying that. We're saying the 99% that you didn't see. We saw peaceful. Peaceful. Well, you know who wrote about this is Naomi Wolf. Naomi Wolf did.

Which was very brave and wonderful that she admitted her own bias and how she finally saw because of Tucker that she had missed this bigger picture. And even this idea that like, why were you in the capital? How about because it is our building? Like we, it is our capital. And this idea that I can't even go into, it's just... So we're missing the force for the trees there. We're missing the bigger picture because people are saying,

oh, but there was violence committed. And you did technically break a statute that says you can't be in that building or whatever the case may be. And as you mentioned, you know, omission bias. But it wasn't just, oh, they missed a few frames here or there. Right. But there was still a whole lot of violence and technology.

things that happened in as a terrible day. No, the example I gave you where they said, this young man is angry and assaulting the cops when they freeze-framed it right here. Yeah. That's more than omission bias. That's a total, Orwellian inversion of the reality of what happened. Right.

So there was censorship, and there's propaganda, and there's amnesia. Censorship, propaganda, amnesia. So the capital is frequently a place where people go. Frequently, I mean, you can think of times when I think it was occupied. Occupy, not Wall Street, but it was occupied, and they chain themselves during an open session of Congress.

Those people did not go to jail. Yeah. No, I know. This is, Naomi Wolf wrote about this in her substack, and I have to say that that's the bigger picture, is that people are still willing to kind of go along with this lie that, oh, oh, it was bad, and you think, well, most of it wasn't even slightly bad. Most of it was good.

But I still want to know, ultimately, who was behind this political theater, Who decided that we need some kind of an event to make it impossible for Ted Cruz and others to give their, you know, a few minutes' objections to the election and stuff, to find out who was behind that and shame on Mike Pence and others for going along with this narrative? Shame on most people in government. Shame on most people in positions of leadership in this country. They're absolute cowards. They have no integrity whatsoever. Well, if you've watched the film Mr. Smith goes to Washington, this is not a new problem. We have always had, you know, hack, power-hungry people willing to do whatever, willing to crush the little guy to get ahead.

You know, Claude Raines plays that role in that wonderful film, which I recommend. Mr. Smith goes to Washington. It's vital that we understand unless we the people battle against this daily. That's what you get. You get corruption, but we are battling. Well, and that's where I'm standing right now. So I didn't know what else to do other than the choice that was presented in front of me. And that was a very difficult, painful choice or so it would appear on the surface.

Again, comply with the lie of the government and get the easy way out. Or say, no, I actually am innocent, and I'm going to stand on that. Even though I know this system is rigged, the government hates me. And the government has a predetermined objective. They have a pre-fabricated narrative, and I fit into that. But God loves you, and there are a lot of people that are going to pray for you and you're sentencing June 1st. We'll be right back.

Welcome back. A few minutes left with John Strand and Simone Gold. Dr. Simone Gold. You have a book coming out? Yes, it will be coming out in a few months, but I'll mention it here. I haven't really mentioned it. It's called Selective Persecution. Selective persecution.

Selective persecution. The legalization of it. American fascism. And I use my J6 story as the personal details of my story to show the breakdown in our legal system and how we're actually

have entered into fascism. So we use tons of information on prior cases. How have our like Naomi wrote about, like how have the courts and our prosecutors looked at protest situations in the past? Right. Right? And just kind of using people's

interest in my personal story, the fact that a nonviolent misdemeanor woman, you know, doctor was sent to maximum security federal penitentiary. That's an inherently interesting thing. So I use that as kind of to introduce to people how fascism has snuck into our nation, selective persecution. I mean, it's just such an amazing thing that we're talking about this seriously, that this has happened. But listen, as a Christian, I believe the Word of God, Romans 828, all things work together for good, for those that love the Lord. and are called according to his purposes. So every bad thing, if we give it to God,

he can weave it into something beautiful. And your willingness to stand for truth, to live not by lies, and showing people what it looks like to trust God as though he actually existed, as though he actually could be trusted, I think a lot of people, their faith doesn't go that far. They go like, well, I'm going to hedge my mind,

bets. God doesn't want you to hedge your bets. He wants you to be genuinely free. Absolutely. It was amazing. Last Sunday at church, the pastors preached on this that God wants us to live in faith and his promises never fail, but God only will give you what you are willing to believe that he will give you. So it's exactly what you just said. I'm so frustrated by our culture, right now that it is so anemic, it is so weak, it is so cowardly. And that just, it grieves me and frustrates me because I see the consequences of that. Certainly my own experience right now, but for the country at large. And so I'm just praying that people will realize I can rise up.

I can make the right choice. It might not be facing 20 years of prison the first time. It might be a smaller choice. But I can realize that God's given me a right path or a wrong path. and if I choose the right path, I'm engaging in that process of building a country in a future that retains liberty. Well, God is raising up a holy remnant.

There are many, particularly in the church, who are waking up and understanding that they have been complicit with evil and things have to get very bad and have gotten very bad for them to wake up. And I would like to think that a program like this, will reach some people and they'll say, you know what, I have to be honest,

I didn't see that. I looked the other way. Just as many good Germans looked the other way. And at some point many of them woke up and said, oh, oh, I'm guilty. Some didn't. But many do, and many are today.

Yeah, when we talk about how to make change or try to save the country, you know, a couple years ago in the 22 elections, we were saying, and we need a big red weight. And I think we're falling into this trap of thinking, like, it's going to be someone else's job, or it's like the greater collective movement has to change. We don't need a big red wave. We need a thin red line.

I am 100%. We're out of time, but I want to say I am 100% there. And that's the big lesson of where we are in history is that every single one of us, every single one of us has a job to do. We answer to God. And anyway, this has been terrific. John Strand and Dr. Simone Gold. Thank you.