The Eric Metaxas Show - Dr. Tim Murphy | The Christ Cure: 10 Biblical Ways To Heal From Trauma, Tragedy, and PTSD

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

From the Humbling Personal Experiences of the Author, Psychologist, Navy Veteran and Former Member of Congress Dr. Tim Murphy Shares “The Christ Cure: 10 Biblical Ways To Heal From Trauma, Tragedy, and PTSD”

Welcome to the Eric Metaxas show. I shouldn't tell you this, but Eric hired someone who sounds just like him to host today's show. But since I'm the announcer, they told me, so I'm telling you, don't be fooled. The real Eric's in jail. Hey, the folks. Welcome to Wednesday, the 23rd of July. All kinds of stuff in the news. In hour two today, I'm going to be talking.

talking to my friend Brandon Strock. Some of you know him. He heads up this walkaway campaign. He was a liberal Democrat who voted for Hillary and something happened. And he realized he'd been lied to. And he became a pro-Trump conservative. He's doing something really beautiful right here in New York City where I live. I am really excited. He's doing a full court press against my Donnie, who is this preposterous hyper-liberal lunatic who won the Democrat nomination. And Brandon is making a big effort. And so we're going to be talking to him about that in hour two today. In hour one today, we're talking to a new friend Tim Murphy, former congressman psychologist.

He's written a book called The Christ Cure. It's amazing. because he talks about how God wants to heal us of all kinds of trauma. And so in a couple of seconds, we're going to be talking to him. He has, I mentioned a new book out called The Christ Cure. So that's coming up in a few in our next segment. So an hour one today to Murphy, an hour two, Brandon Strach. And right now, I want to play a conversation I had with you with our friend Paul Jacobs from Food for the Poor.

As you know, we have a real emergency going on. on in Texas because of the floods. And I thought, let's get Paul on to help explain that to you. This is a real emergency. So I wanted to play this. And then right after that, we'll get to our first guest, Tim Murphy. So stay tuned. You know we've been doing a campaign with Food for the Poor.

This is an emergency. So much so that I thought maybe we can get our friend Paul Jacobs on to help explain what is going on. Paul, welcome back. No, it's great to be back. You know, it's nearly three weeks since the devastating floods in central Texas, and the need has never been greater. What is food for the poor doing? I mean, I've talked about this, but it's, you know, it's hard for people to get their heads around this

because it's such a nightmare. You hear about these floods. You hear about children dying. But then I think most of us think, well, that's that. I don't know, you know, what is there to say? It's a horror. It's a tragedy. But the reason you guys are there is because the tragedy is ongoing.

There are people suffering right now, and they need our help. right now. Yeah, that's right. You know, more, but hundreds have lost their lives and probably almost the same amount that are still missing. I think this attention, this tragedy has caught our attention because of the children and the families and this community. A Guadalupe River was literally the center of these three communities where more than 30,000 people lived and it was the churches, the businesses, the ministries and schools and of course these camps and food for the poor, while there's thousands of people there in the response and the recovery effort, food for the poor is working with the local church. Church partners on the ground that have been

responding to help families with emergency relief kits, everything from tarps to cover their belongings, to women's care kits for women and girls to be provided for, and even something as simple as baby diapers for small children who have become very vulnerable in this disaster. Well, so what is the area that's affected? I'm not clear. I haven't seen much video or anything of this. In other words, are there towns that have been wiped out? I mean, I know that there are individual businesses and homes.

And where are the people who have been displaced? Where are they staying, many of them? The Guadalupe River is in the center of Kerr County. Kerrville, Ingram, and Hunt, number of cities in the surrounding area. areas. You could say it's probably just out, just about 45 minutes to an hour just outside of San Antonio area, if you're familiar with the San Antonio area. But the thing about this is, while you may not have ever focused on this community on the map, it is for Texans, a very thriving community. One of our ministry partners, excuse me, one of our staff members

here at Food for the Poor lives in the San Antonio area. Used to work in Kerrville and this Kerr County area. Matter of fact, he was personally affected because the camp mystic, which was the camp where a lot of those children who were there in summer camp lost their lives. One of the camp directors, a friend of his, also lost his life. So this is very personal for us. This is very personal for my colleague, Kevin Mayne, in San Antonio. But this area in the Guadalupe River has quite a few people that have been displaced, hundreds of homes, completely destroyed businesses. They're going to take their, it's going to take a long time for them to get back on track. But right now, we're focused not necessarily on the long term, but really the immediate need of getting

families, the recovery efforts, and the recovery efforts helping them with the emergency kids they need to just get through another day. Um, okay, so folks, if you want to help, you can go to my radio website, metaxis talk.com. Metaxistocot.com at the top of the page, that you see the banner. And we're asking you every $50 purchases one of these emergency relief kits. So some of you can do multiples of that. But whatever you can do, we need your help, desperately need your help. And what is the partner that Food for the Poor is working with on the ground there?

Do you know the name of that, Paul Jacobs, the name of the partner? We, well, that's the great news. We work with the local church, church partners, ministries that are set up in San Antonio as a distribution site. We've already sent the first few pallets of emergency relief kits like the ones you just mentioned that these families for $50 could provide a family with emergency kits. And it's going through pastors, local ministries on the ground. Matter of fact, I was supposed to right now be in an interview with them just to kind of get an assessment of what's going on at this very moment. Unfortunately, as you can well imagine, they're very caught up with meetings and a lot of things that are going on in the ground. They could not change. So we've had to postpone that. But you can just imagine that's how busy things are and how frenetic and why you're needed right now to help our ministry partners and churches on the ground. I have a phone number here, which I want to give in case anybody prefers to call. But folks, anything you can do, this is tax deductible and it is an emergency. see. So the phone number to call so you can give is 844-863-4673, 844-863-4673. I mentioned the radio website is metaxisstalk.com. You'll see the banner at the top of the page. Or if you want to text my name to this number, you'll get the link. Metaxus is M-E-T-A-X-A-S. You can text it to 5-1-55-5-5-5.

Again, text Metaxis, M-E-T-A-X-A-S, text Metaxus to 5-1-55-5-5-5-5. Text Metaxus to 5-1-55-5-5-5. The phone number, again, is 8-4-6-3-6-7-3. Paul, any final thoughts? Yeah, very much. It's community effort. It is going to be a community effort in the response to help each and every one of these families. We have seen on the news, we've heard it through our ministry partners on the ground,

and we have seen thousands of dollars poured out through the Metaxus talk listeners, you know, those of you that are listened to this program. And maybe if you have not heard of this, maybe this is the very first time of hearing about food for the poor, or you're hearing about the efforts that through this radio program is going to help those families, we need you to join this community of those who are desperately in need, vulnerable children, families, just like you, who need your help right now. Well, I'm glad to hear that it's through the local churches. I know a lot of people who are wanting to help or, you know,

would be comfortable with that because they know that local churches know what's going on in the local area and they have compassion and wisdom. And so I'm grateful that Food for the Poor is partnering with the local churches in the area. So, folks, I'll just say it again. This is an emergency. Food for the Poor has come to us asking us to please ask you to help. So again, metaxis talk.com is the website mettaxistocot.com at the top of the page. You see the banner, Help Texas.

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But again, what does that mean? That means a number of things. But I have somebody on today who I'm going to speak about that with. He is Dr. Tim Murphy, former congressman, psychologist, Navy veteran. He's written a book called The Christ Cure. Dr. Tim Murphy, welcome. Great to be with you. Thank you. This is big stuff.

So tell my audience, what is this book that you've written? Well, I recognize that trauma affects about 70% of the population. And we usually think of PTSD of something that soldiers have, but also first responders, policemen, firefighters, paramedics, frontline medical people who work in emergency rooms and burn units, but really can affect anyone. when we face a life-threatening situation or major a people in our life, like a divorce, a financial disaster, a diagnosis of a terrible illness and a child. But what's happening is we have a society that has become softer.

Everybody seems to want a diagnosis of attention disorder or gender dysphoria or obsessive-compulsive disorder or spectrum or depression or anxiety. And look, there are real psychological concerns. but what happens is we're getting worse as society because we're only looking to perhaps the latest meditation or bad or going to see a counselor which can be valuable, but forgetting about faith. And here's the bottom line. We know that those who regularly practice religion, not just to have some kind of esoteric belief, but regularly practice religion, number one. And number two, do something spiritual and religious at least four times. a week, their prognosis and their improvement in the area of psychological concerns, particularly

depression, anxiety, PTSD, their prognosis is far, far improved. And now some try and write it off as well, that's just because they're taking time every week in quiet meditation or to hang around other people. That's not it. There is a role that the Lord plays at studying, studying the issues in the Bible, those principles on the Bible, not just as stories, but understanding them, has a massive impact. And my field as a psychologist, Eric, most psychologists identify themselves as agnostic or atheist. And yet most people who go to see a counselor,

who are themselves believers, want their counselor to talk about it. And the other thing is among clergy, about 85% of clergy say, I have no training in this. I'm not sure what to do. I'll give you a Bible quote or I'll talk to you about it. And so my book is written as a handbook for the broken

and those who love them. and as a guide for clergy and counselors, understand that nexus between biblical and religious teachings and psychological principles to get towards healing. So that's why I wrote this book. What I say over and over is that when we're talking about faith in the God of the Bible, ladies and gentlemen, this is reality. We live in a world, as Dr. Murphy has just said,

that pretends that it's not reality, but it is reality. And so if you live in a world and you insist on a secular model for everything, you're going to get stuff wrong. You're not going to be able to succeed. And again, this is just something that works itself out practically, even if you don't believe it. I mean, Benjamin Franklin and many of the founders observed that religious communities

were more able to be self-governing. So even if you didn't believe what they believed, you'd say, but people who are crazy about Jesus, this seemed to be able to govern themselves better than people who aren't. They just would observe this. I remember David Wilkerson when he started Teen Challenge and World Challenge and to help drug addicts, the government, this has to be, I think, in the 70s, did a huge study because they had tremendous success in their programs, which were totally Jesus-based,

totally faith-based. And the government report called it the X-factor because they had no explanation. They simply knew that people who believed in Jesus and worked the program that way had radically, I mean radically, like 10 times greater success rates. You see this in prison when you have prison ministry, recidivism rates, dramatically different. So Dr. Murphy, what we're talking about. talking about here, of course, is reality, but we live in a world that pretends like this is just something that you're interested in, and maybe it works for you, but it's not based in reality.

But you have seen it work in dealing with people who have trauma, and that's why you've written this book about it. Absolutely. Time and time again, I've seen it among soldiers, sailors, Aaron and Marines who have struggled with terrible scenes, or as a paramedic once told me, the worst day of your life is every day for me or a cop who told me I cannot unsee the things I've seen. But what happens is there's lots of psychological techniques to calm you down, calm down your system, which is a fight or flight mechanism. And that's true. But healing is a whole other matter for us.

And it is getting through that. It was interesting. You said that about Franklin. I'm sure you know John Adams said that our Constitution was designed for people of faith. That's inadequate for anybody else because people of faith has something to reach towards. isn't just hope as a concept. There is something over the horizon that they are fully aware of. We are fully aware of.

And that can help us. Look, I've had struggles with my own issues with depression and alcoholic father and abuse and things like that. But healing comes from saying, I've got to forgive, forgive myself, forgive other people to let the Lord forgive, unburden ourselves with that, and then really embrace and surrender ourselves to faith and trust and grace. these things are concepts that secular counseling cannot teach and a secular world cannot be there. As you know, there's literally thousands and thousands of books on bookshelves about how to make your life better,

whether it's selling more products or just feeling better. And those that have to do with faith are the ones that can really make a big difference in people's lives. Constantly researches. Well, so this book, of course, with the title, The Christ Cure, I don't think you're over. selling it because you know you've lived this and you see that this is real that it works. Who did you write the book for, basically? Well, for those people who are struggling and still trying to find a way, the full title of the book is that Christ Cure 10 biblical ways to heal from trauma, tragedy, and PTSD.

And so those folks who have faced trauma and tragedy are dealing with the debilitating symptoms of PTSD, which can be depression, it can be high levels of anxiety, sleep, problems, problems with relationships, broken marriages, insomnia, the whole host of things that go with that. And people who continue to struggle with that, I want them to know there is a way that has been proven for a couple thousand years. Now, my book doesn't get preachy. So it's, although I know a lot of folks in prison ministry and even football coaches who use it as their Bible study. But it is saying, in particular, tracking the life of the Apostle Paul, how we learned lessons from this and instead of dismissing them and say, well, that's old stuff.

That's written thousands of years ago is recognizing it's relevant to us today. So the person, for example, who is, who just feels I cannot get better. Well, Jesus came towards the man, the lame man at the waters of Betheson and said, do you want to walk? He didn't say, let me have some compassion for you. I'll say a little prayer every will walk away and help things get better. He really said, you've got to make a decision here. And it is a matter of the faith.

And how many times Jesus said your faith has saved you? It's believing as part of that. Now, I don't want to dismiss psychological counseling as a method. It is important. There are many counseling methods, which are very valuable to help people heal. But we know that those who are involved in the faith base is too much better. So those folks who are still struggling with who the book was written for. Now, you talk in the book also about your own depression.

You just referenced it. this is something that you have lived yourself. Yeah, it's not fun. It is a point where depression is a lot of anger turned inward, where we just feel there's not a lot of hope. Keep trying various kind of things together. I kept striving and think, if I just achieve one more thing, maybe I'll get there.

And my list, my resume looks really good. I've written books. I was a state senator. I was a U.S. congressman. I passed the definitive mental health legislative reform in the country. but each time I was struggling. I joined the Navy while I was in Congress because I recognized being in Congress

is not the most functional place in the world. And I wanted to help people. And so I did those in the Navy too, working as a psychologist. But he's time feeling, I'm not there. I'm not happy. I'm not satisfied. And having those struggles and trouble relating to people

in ways that was fulfilling. I was doing a lot of things with faith and doing a lot of things with my work, but depression continued to eat away at my life and really messed up a lot with a struggling with my marriage and other aspects too. And it was really a matter when I finally said, that's it. I have got to change. I mean, backs against the wall, this is it.

Or I should say not just backs against the wall, but toes on the edge of the bridge where you're saying you've got to make some changes. And that's where I made a difference from me. When we come back, we'll be talking about that. Folks, I've been clear. I have struggled with these issues as well. and it is not fun. It's very real.

It's terrible. Jesus is the answer. But the question is, what does that mean? That's what we're talking about. We'll be right back. I'm going to say she's tired again. Take a chance.

Honey, I'm still free. Take a chance on me. If you need me, let me know. Folks, welcome back. The book is the Christ Cure. Dr. Tim Murphy is the author, Navy veteran, psychologist,

former member of Congress. and you've lived this, Dr. Murphy, this is real. What led you to say I need to write a book about it? Is it just that you think that there are people out there who don't know how to get help or they don't know about this? They're not hearing about this. Well, Eric, I don't want this to sound somehow like, you know, tongues of fire came on me. I'm not saying that.

But I, from my own purpose, my own healing, I literally sat down on my keyboard and said, I'm just going to write every day and write about struggles and healing. And these things came out. I would read everything I could get my hands on about the Apostle Paul, recognizing that he was, if someone should be a patron saint of folks with trauma, it should be him. I mean, he was beaten with Rod three times. He was stoned and left for dead. He was given 39 last six times.

He was run out of towns. He had to escape, tried. The whole list goes on for him. He said, what was it about him that did he have PTSD or not? And what I found out, Eric, was that nobody had written a book about it. Nobody had written a book about why Paul didn't collapse. Why was he not suicidal and alcoholic and philandering and gambling and the whole list of problems that go on? And what I recognize is these are the things we need to do.

We need to build up our personal resilience. We need to be resistant in the battle, what he called it, you know, continuing to endure and persist. We had to have a method of recovery, and we had to renew, as he said in Romans 12, 2, to transform by renewing of the mind. So as I'm writing, more this is coming to me. I'm no biblical scholar.

It was just coming as I wrote and organizing and editing and building this up. So that's where it came from. And I would, in my work with my own clients, I would be talking to them about these concepts and became clear that using these things can be transformative for people's healing. So that's where it came from. I just typed the letters.

So any mistakes are mine. But the truth is there, I say from the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Well, look, the point is this works. And that's why, again, I'm, you know, just a big part of my life is this thesis that we live in this secular culture, which is ridiculous. It really is like saying we live in a culture that's going to, we're going to. never going to talk about math. We're anti-math, but we're going to try to live and build buildings and do everything, but we're going to put this thing to the side. That would be crazy,

and it would make you, it would cause a lot of trouble. And that's kind of the situation we're in with the secular culture. The idea that you could live without God or without even postulating God as a part of reality and following his will as being a part of the reality in which we live causes a lot of problems. And of course, mental health is at the heart of it. So do you, let's talk about some of the things that you do talk about in the book. You said there are 10 specific things. Let's just touch on some of them. Well, so the first one is one of resilience, and that is certainly everybody who's been in the military understands this. But throughout the book, I say you have to make choices. And under resilience, for example, you're building strength

versus weakness. You're building a community around you versus being alone. You have, you choose to understand what solitude is. Those are all very important. The other one is, the next one is resilience. This is where you're choosing courage over succumbing to fear, where you recognize you need humility. Humility is really important in that if you want to change, you have to be humble. I remember when I was working with the Navy SEALs teams and I had asked the commander of one of the units of SEAL Team 6 of all. And so what is the number one personality trait you look for in people want to be part of SEAL Team 6? He said, humility, because they have to understand what their limitations are what they can do.

The vigilance is also important there for resilience, for resistance. The next one is in recovery. And this is where you have to have, what's very important is choosing guilt over shame. Now, that's really important. We think, why would you want to choose guilt? because shame means I'm broken beyond repair. God made a mistake when God made me. Guilt means I made a mistake.

I'm taking responsibility. I will reconcile that. I'll do what I have to do. Under shame, there's nowhere else you can go. But another choice under recovery is forgiveness. And forgiveness is there's three parts, these six simple words, God forgives, others might, I must. And people who are really struggling with,

maybe it's a self-inflicted trauma or something else, say, I'm being punished for this, or why would God do this? It's important we have to be able to forgive ourselves, but many people think I can't. And what I did was too bad. And I understand that through all this, God forgives us anyways and has done that and we'll do it again for us. And if we're hollering out for the forgiveness of others, we may not get there. You know, this, Eric, you may say something to someone, they may hold a grudge for decades. And at some point, you have to say, I got to shake the dust off my sandals and move on.

but this fourth stage of renewal, and I report again Romans 12, too, to be transformed by renewing of the mind, is I call these the not-so-secret secrets that Paul told us about. You have to really accept faith in God. You have to really accept trusting God and really accept the grace and the love, and then have a mission in life, a purpose, because, you know, the great commission, Jesus said it wasn't like, okay, you believe you guys can all go home now. Jesus continually told people, you've got things you got to do. you got to love one another, you have to work at this, you have to heal, you have to do all these things.

So those parts there are very faith-based, but on all the things I described throughout the book, I talk a lot about what of the psychological principles on how this work. But these other parts too, and I use this acronym faster, fitness, attitude, sleep, training, eating, relaxation, real quick. Fitness. Actually, hang on, let's, we're going to go to a break. When we come back, I want to hear about that. We'll be right back.

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Thank you. Welcome back talking to Dr. Tim Murphy. The book is The Christ Cure. So you were just laying out an acronym for us, Dr. Murphy. Go ahead with that. Repeat that if you would. Sure. The acronym is the word faster.

People want to heal faster. So here it is. It's fitness, attitude, sleep, training, eating, relaxation. Real quick. We know that people who are physically fit, cardiovascular activity, cardio activity, strength training, that stimulates the brain to heal. The actual generation of new brain cells and connections between them, because there's a thing called brain-derived neurotropic factor,

which is released when you're working out. And you've got to create new connections in your brain, or otherwise you stay stuck in the ruts of where things were. Another thing is when you are working out, it burns off the stress hormones of cortisol or cytokines or other things that are eating away, cause inflammation or body, directly relate to anxiety and depression and insomnia.

These things, we know that actually works better than medication from mild to moderate depression. attitude of the mental attitudes we have which can be self-defeating irrational I'm no good nothing will be good for me I can't make it in life everybody should do what I want them to do and all these faith-based beliefs towards all the core of a lot of is changing sleep is important because we know people get regular sleep of about seven to nine hours a night it gives the brain time to heal every night the body needs the brain needs that time everyone to flush out stress hormones and a lot of waste.

Otherwise, it builds up to tau proteins and early dimension, cognitive decline. Sleep is critically important, but people with a lot of trauma have trouble sleeping. So we make recommendations in the book of what you can do about that. So fitness, attitude, sleep. T is for mental training. The brain has to stay active. And a lot of times,

you know, Erica, if you've had times of depression, you just want to shut down. It's hard to keep thinking. We don't want to do anything. People become sedentary. Just flip the TV on and binge watch something or do nothing. That is not good. And so I always recommend people master something you already know, get better at it, and take on something you don't know. This activity of the brain is very powerful. And that's

why people are not that involved in biblical work. Read the Bible, study it. And you'll learn lessons in there, but it's also stimulating your brain to make connections. The next one is healthy eating. You know, there's thousands of books out there on what to eat right and what diet to use and, you know, you'll get rid of the processed foods, et cetera. As it turns out, the healthiest diet seems to the Mediterranean diet. And let's see, who you see the Mediterranean diet? St. Paul. Paul. He had the olive oil and the fresh fish and all those foods were so very important. So I tell people, get rid of the foods that are causing harm to your body. And relaxation is both meditation, those quiet times to calm your body down, not be overstressed and always be reaching for your

phone or technology. And also mindfulness, just being fully aware of what's around you. Now, those two things in meditation and mindfulness there's the best meditation is prayer and being mindful I tell people get to a church get to a place of worship and sometimes the best thing you do is just sit there and be aware and listen to God and let God listen to you but be quiet during those times that daily healing process of religious practice those things are powerful so add them all together these are the principles that they don't come from me they don't just come from science books. They really come from the Bible and teachings we've known for thousands of years, but we've got to put them into practice.

So who do you think would most benefit from this book? I mean, it seems like most people would, but I guess you're saying that a lot of people are walking around with various degrees of trauma. They've seen things, they've lived things, and somehow they're crippled inside. as a result of that. Now, I would often say that people flat out need deliverance. Doesn't matter whether you're a Christian. A lot of people have psychic wounds that demonic entities would attach themselves to. Do you get into that in the book? It doesn't sound like you touch on that stuff. Well, I do someone. I mean, evil is real. It's out there. And we shouldn't deny it. And so that is very, very important in the context. And that's a very important part of healing,

particularly when I talk about vulnerability. We are all vulnerable to sin again. We are all vulnerable to weakness. Every day in our life, we reach for the apple of the tree in the Garden of Eden and bite it and wonder what went wrong. So you have to be very vigilant to that because when we're weak, evil sees the doors wide open and comes swinging in. And our society today, especially under the last administration, taught that that that's what it was. I mean, you think of the number of children whose bodies and lives were ruined by psychologists saying, oh, you must have gender dysphoria.

And I remember talking to psychologists too to saying, well, what do you do about issues of religion? Well, we counsel the kids on that. Well, are you a believer? No, then what do you counsel them? Well, that God loved everybody. Yes, true. And Jesus loves everybody. But also said, but you've got to change.

And telling kids and telling other people, that's what's all about. I think those are other voices of evil where in our nation and our world, we've gone down those directions. So for people who are struggling and trying to find a way, I want them to understand this is a book of compassion. But it's also a book that sets out the demands, the rules that the Lord set up for us. He didn't just say, sit back, you know, that's it, you're good. He said, you got to work at this. But in working at this, we can get better. And that's why I say, when I list my own struggles in the book, and I don't get into too much

whining in that stuff, but I say it was a very difficult book to write, but a very hopeful book to read because it tells people we can all get better. Well, it's a big deal. And I think people are, they want a how to. And I think that that's part of my criticism of the modern church is it dispenses platitudes. It'll say Jesus is the answer. And they think, okay, what does that mean? Can you break it down for me?

Well, Jesus loves you. Well, what does that mean? Please explain it to me. You have to live it. And I think that a lot of evangelicals in particular, they have become so fixated on the idea. that we're not saved by our works, that they then leap to the next level of a lie and say, therefore, I don't need to do anything.

I'm good. I believe in Jesus. And folks, that is theologically not just wrong, but deeply harmful. You have to work the program. You have to, you know, if you go into AA, they don't say, hey, there's nothing you have to do. There's things that you have to do.

But if you do those things, you'll be blessed. So you're talking about it. that. We're at a time, but Dr. Murphy, it's just great to get you on here. Thanks for writing the book. Folks, the book is the Christ cure. I think we've said enough about it that you get the basics, but I think we've long needed a primer, so to speak, on how to live in the times in which we live with the difficulties that most of us have. Just grateful that you've written the book. Dr. Murphy, Thank you so much. Can I just mention my website is Dr. Timmerfey.com,

D.R. Timmerfey.com. And a lot with a book, podcasts, and other writings, people follow up. Please be in touch. Thank you so much, Eric. Dr. Timmerfey.com, D.R. Timurphy.com. Thank you so much. God bless. Nothing to do but for out.

Rainy days and Mondays always. Hey there, folks. So much going on on the news. I never know where to begin. But one of the things that I find interesting, As the news gallops along, we forget stuff. And most of us have already moved way past the nightmare of the floods in Texas. It's horrible, but then something else happens.

Then something else happens. And something else happens. And we forget about it. Well, the folks in Texas are suffering right now and they need our help. And so they put the word out. This is an emergency disaster relief situation. And our friends at Food for the Poor asked us to ask you, to help. So I just want to say, let's not forget our friends in Texas. You know,

you know, do unto others as you would have others do unto you. If you have lost your home or your business and, you know, you're living in a tent someplace with your family right now waiting to get back to, who knows? I mean, this is, the stories go on and on and on. I want to thank those of you who've already given, but I know most of you haven't yet been able to do that. So the relief operations are underway. We're continuing our efforts with food for the poor. They are there rushing emergency relief kits. This is what your money is doing.

Rushing emergency relief kits to people throughout the flooded area. Texas Governor Greg Abbott had the privilege to meet him and speak with him. He says that the lives lost in this tragedy are still being tallied. Actually, we've got a clip from him. Let's play that. The numbers that I have of those who have lost their lives statewide in this flooding episode in the month of July is now 135. Those who have lost their lives in the Currville area because of the floods is now 116. We will continue the search for everybody in every single region that was affected by these devastating floods.

All right, that's Texas Governor Greg Abbott. So a gift of $50 rushes an emergency relief kit to a hurting family displaced by these floods. $100 gets a kit packed with supplies to two families. Whatever you can donate will make a powerful impact for the men, women, and children who are suffering right now in central Texas. So I want to remind you to the top of our website, there's a banner. Metaxistalk.com. There's a banner. The relief kits contain hygiene.

items, diapers, emergency medical supplies, essentials needed to ease the crisis facing these flooded out residents. And to remind you, food for the poor is working with a trusted partner in San Antonio delivering shipments of emergency relief supplies. So if you can help, this is a big deal. Now, some of you listening, I know, can give a lot. If you can, I don't know, you've heard enough about these floods. Let me give you a phone number as well. It is 844-866.000. 36373, 8463, 863, 4673, 844, 863, 4673, 84673. Or you can simply text metaxis to 51555. Text metaxis to 51555.

We really need your help. Before we go today, I want to remind you of our friends at the Herzog Foundation. If anybody listening to this program today is interested in homeschooling or you've thought about it, you don't know whether you can. do it. You're interested in getting your kids out of public schools because you understand that what they're learning there is not what you would want to teach them. Maybe you're interested in Christ-centered K-12 education. Our friends at the Herzog Foundation are there to help you. They're not asking for anything from you. They want to help you. Herzog Foundation.com is their

website. Herzog is H-E-R-Z-O-G. Herzog. Hurtzog Foundation.com. And I, I've said this, and I will always say it, education is everything, folks. If these kids, you know, that are getting this Marxist indoctrination in public schools, if they get the truth, this sets them up for life, and this is our future. And I keep meeting kids that have been homeschooled. And I'm amazed at their wisdom, at their knowledge. They are the hope for the future, to use a cliche. So go to HerzogFoundation.com. Herdsogfoundation.com. And then to remind you finally, metaxis talk.com, help Texas at the top of the page.