The Eric Metaxas Show - Dutch Sheets

Episode Date: December 7, 2024

Dutch Sheets of Give Him 15 Shares an update of hope.  More at https://www.givehim15.com/

Hey, you, have you checked your bucket list lately? Are you ready to take care of item number seven? Listening to the Eric Mattaxas show? Well, welcome, tune in, and then move on to item number eight, skydiving with Chuck Schumer and AOC. Here now is Mr. Completed My Bucket List at age 12, Eric Mattaxas. Folks, welcome.

It's December 4th, as I'm told. I believe in most time zones, that makes it Wednesday. Chris Himes, welcome to Wednesday, December 4th. Thank you. It's good to be here. I can't believe it's December in 2024. We're in our new studio because TBN kicked us out. What's that all about?

Well, the building is a very viable piece of real estate and, you know, Papa needs a new pair of shoes, apparently. So you're saying they didn't throw us to the curb? Is that what you're saying? Well, they had some, you know, business decisions to make. It was business, Eric. Oh, it was just business. It's nothing personal. It's just business.

All right. Okay, listen, we got a lot of exciting news here. First of all, the Bonhoeffer film, I did an interview this morning with my friend Jenna Ellis. I was on her program. And she said what a lot of my friends are saying, I haven't seen it yet. And I said to her, and I say to you, if you haven't seen it yet, see it right away. See it ASAP. this weekend is potentially for actually not potentially for sure this weekend is the last opportunity if enough people don't see it because it goes the theaters um if it's not pulling in the right money right away they're just on to the next thing so they're going to give you disney transgender satanic evil or you could go see bonhofer so no kidding no kidding please Please, please, I've said this before. I'm not kidding. Tell your friends.

Films like this don't come around very often. It's just so, that's an understatement. It's a great film. And I just want to beg you, if you haven't seen it yet, do not delay. Tell your friends. It is so important. Very, very important.

Okay, today coming up, I should have said this. Coming up in our next segment, our friend Dutch Sheets, that's his real name. Dutch. Sheets. Dutch Sheets is an amazing man of God. If you don't know who he is, get psyched, because there are not a lot of people like Dutch sheets. Later in the week, I will interview my friend Mike Thompson. The two of them, I think of, there's nobody like those two guys, at least in my estimation, total heroes of the faith. So we're talking to Dutch Sheets about what God is saying about America. That's coming up. In hour two, We're going to flip the channel to our friend Roger Kimball. Roger Kimball, I tell you, there are few people as sophisticated as Ariadite as the great Roger Kimball.

So stay tuned. That'll be in our two today. So we got a lot of announcements, a lot of things that I want to make sure that I get to. I want to remind everyone, we're doing a campaign with CSI. This is your chance, folks, to do something spectacular for God. And I say at this, you know, Christmas season here, this is, this is like the greatest gift you could get someone. People don't need most of the junk that we buy. And that's part of the problem in this country is that we just, we just kind of buy stuff and then it sits in the garage.

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This is an amazing opportunity for the kingdom. This is a beautiful thing. And doing it as a Christmas gift, I think that's the greatest idea. So I want to recommend that to you. Good news on the cruise. Every day, it seems like a few more people are signing up. Yesterday, four people signed up. So we're up to 204 people officially signed up.

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I also think it's a totally different kind of gift. It's obviously way more money. But a 10-day cruise to the Greek islands to say that special someone, or a good friend of ours is bringing her 14-year-old granddaughter. What a cool thing to do. What an amazing surprise gift for somebody. Just a thought. But I think if you go to Ericmetaxis.com slash cruise, you can see the details.

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you i do it all the time we'll find each other whether in your city or our city uh we'll do that together but it's just an amazing um It's this is such an amazing opportunity. And so whatever you can give, we want everybody to give the phone number is 888-253-3522. Somebody might want to do that as a gift. You say, well, we're going to do, you know, if you can do $15,000, not many people can, but some people can. If you can, and you do that, you can say to somebody, hey, we're going to spend, we're going to have dinner with Eric McAxas, spend the evening with Ericman taxes. That's a kooky gift.

My time has become outrageously valuable, so I don't have a lot of evenings, but I put that out there. I want to say a couple of other things. What am I forgetting? Oh, yes, I mentioned our guests, but I want to mention the Socrates book. I've been talking a lot about Bonhoeffer. People are buying my Bonhofer book, which thrills me. But my new book is the Socrates in the city. I don't even have the book.

We have books, but I don't have one in the studio here. But I'm holding up a mock book. They're beautiful books. They make handsome gifts. Why do people say that? It makes a handsome gift. Why not a pretty gift? Because it's not pretty, but it's handsome.

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All of these questions. We've dealt with them over the years. And so if you go to Socrates and the city, city.com. You can get a copy of that book. Before we go to my guest, Dutch Sheets, and then Roger Kimball, I want to remind you about our friends at the Heritage Foundation, the head of the Heritage Foundation. Kevin Roberts has a new book out called Dawn's Early Light. It charts a path forward for the American people to take back our country with a renewed sense of clarity and purpose. It's a blueprint for how we the people can drain the swamp, take our country back, and keep it. You know how

close this is to my heart, folks. You know. So we're proud to be affiliated with the Heritage Foundation. They're heroes. And I'm thrilled that Dr. Kevin Roberts is the president of Heritage. I'm thrilled. He's written a book called Dawn's Early Light. You can find it wherever quality books are sold. And in other places as well. Anyway, when we come back, we're talking to my friend. He's an amazing man of God, Dutch Sheets. hour two. Roger Kimball, don't go away. Folks, I've got to be realistic about my diet in December. It's got to be the worst month of the year in terms of eating. No matter what you do, you're inevitably going to find yourself eating things, treats, meats, dishes, leaving very little room for the right stuff. But I will

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MetaxusTalk.com or 888-2533522. God bless you. Folks, welcome back. I am thrilled. Maybe I overused that, but I am in this case genuinely thrilled to talk to someone I've been following for many years. He's been on this program before. Some of you know him.

If you don't, you're in for a treat. His name is Dutch Sheets. That is not his baptized. name. Dutch Sheets, welcome to this program. Thank you, Eric. It's a pleasure to be with you, too, my friend. I love everything you do. Well, I don't know what you mean by that, but thank you, brother. Your books, your podcasts, your interviews, everything you do. I love it. I feel very honored that you would be aware of what I do. Thank you for encouraging me. You are someone that's a little bit tough to sum up. You have been a prophetic voice to the Christian church. A lot of people listen to this program

that say, what? What's that? But that's one of the joys of the program is to introduce people to folks like you. I don't know where we should begin. Do you want to talk about what God has been saying to you about where we are in America right now? Because I haven't talked to you in a while. So anywhere you you want to start. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, that's such a broad subject, but it's such a good subject, Eric. And I think to summarize it, I would say, I want to remind the people, we're in a process. You know, the election didn't end anything. It's almost like a new beginning at its initial phase.

We are restoring a nation. And when you talk about reformation, which is also what we're doing, we are reforming. When you talk about that, you have to understand it happens in phases, and we're in a phase of that. It's a good time and a good place, and I would just add, it is something to rejoice over. But, you know, I just was reading the other day in the book of Ezra, how when God sent the remnant back to Israel to rebuild the temple, they laid the foundation. And then they had a big party. Rightfully so. they celebrated with horns and jubilation.

But then it says while the young ones were celebrating, the old ones were weeping, we don't really know why. Maybe they were thinking about what had been lost. Maybe they were thinking about maybe they knew had a better perspective on what was coming and the work. We don't know, but it said that sound could be heard for miles. But one thing we do know, Eric, and that's that the celebration was a bit premature, because Satan also had plans for this.

and he began to work, to discourage them, to work against them with lobbyists. They hired the people there hired propagandists to go back to the king and spread false information. Bottom line, through all of that, the work stopped for 16 years. 16 years, all they had was a slab. So I think the word for us is, and by the way, that's not the end of the story. God raised up Haggai and Zach Ryan through their prophetic words to stir the people up. got things back on track. But the point is, we have to finish this. We have to continue. Trump, you know this. We know this. He's not our Savior. He's not the Messiah. He's a part of a plan God

has to restore. We have to persevere. We have to now move into a phase where it's going to stretch the church, because we're going to have to build some things we've never built and do some things we've never done. We're going to have to create structures, congregations, bases, gatherings that are conducive for reformation. And by that, I mean, we're not just trying to get people saved. We're trying to disciple a nation. And we can't look to government to do our job. So we're going to have to find out what do the scriptures say about government, education, media, every facet of life, economics, and teach that. And the church has been so pathetic at this. Oh, we've known how to do is feed sheep, help them get through the next week, take care of them, mature personally, which is good.

But we're not called to just tin sheep all of our lives. We're supposed to transform them, those sheep into ambassadors for Christ, eagles. And that's Matthew 28. We've been doing Mark 16. You've got me on a roll. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no. The church is focused. And we call it the Great Commission, but it's actually the Great Commissions, because Mark 16, Jesus said, go into all the world, preach the gospel, get him saved, fill with the spirit, cast out the demons, miracles, signs, wonders, all these things. That's revival. But in Matthew 28, he said, now I have all authority in the earth. I took back what Adam lost. I have authority for you. Now I'm going to delegate it to you. Now go disciple nations. Completely different.

Our faith has been so low that we could really do that. We change the translation. We say, go make disciples as in people. Well, of course we need to do that, but that's not what he said. He literally said, Disciple Nations. I have never heard this, Doug. Are you kidding? No, that's exactly what he said. I cannot believe I've not heard that. And so, discipling nations is the Reformation aspect. That's teaching the principles of the kingdom. It's not doing it by force, as we're accused of, all the people out there, the Christian nationalism and all this garbage. it's it's winning their hearts first getting them saved that's revival but then you have to follow that with discipling nations that's where he said i have all authority i'm giving you authority to do that and he

followed it up by saying teaching them what i've commanded you mark 16 preach the gospel so they can get say matthew 28 teach what i have commanded you that then you can reform nations i've asked people many times. You know, we went through a movement in the 60s, 70s. We called it the charismatic movement. It's about so much more than the gifts of the spirit or people that struggle with tongues. Okay, it's more than that. More people were saved in that outpouring of Holy Spirit than any other in history. Probably at least 50 million people around the world. How do, Eric, how do you go through in the general sense of broadness around the world, 50 million? How do you go through one of the greatest, maybe the greatest outpouring of Holy Spirit in history.

And when the dust settles, he lost ground. Listen, you're singing my song. If you weren't here, I'd be saying just about everything you just said because it is what God is saying. And I want to just to, I mean, in my book letter to the American Church and in the sequel, Religionless Christianity, I'm talking in part about what you just said. And the funny thing is, Dutch, is for me, this has been a real revelation where I think, how did I not see this before, that God calls us to put our faith into action? And we've all been stuck on evangelism, evangelism, evangelism.

I want to puke. It's like evangelism to what? To a life of self-centered, you know, it's me and Jesus. We're supposed to be heroic actors. We're supposed to be empowered by the. the Lord to change the world for his purposes. And we just got stuck on. We'll just get some more people saved and we'll get some more people in the pews and we'll

do church on Sunday morning. And you think, that's not the church. What is, what is that? So this is everywhere I look and everything I talk about. I'm talking about what you're talking about. But, I mean, just to get back to, I guess I want to go back to you at some point, heard from God some years ago that the Lord wanted you, you know, to raise up an army of intercessors to pray for the nation that America could be saved.

And then at some point more recently, and I think last time you were on this program, you said that God had communicated to you that America is saved. In other words, that somehow the prayers worked, right? That the Lord answered the prayers, enough people prayed. And so now we have to do the work that we get to do because America. So the way I see it, it's kind of like they try to put a bullet in Trump's head. He should be dead. He should be dead, but by the grace of God, he is alive.

America should be dead. We deserve to be dead, but by the grace of God, we're alive. We dodged a bullet. Trump was reelected. Now we get to do the work that the Lord has called us to do. It's not just about what we survive, but that we have a work to do, that we've essentially crossed the starting line of what God has set before us. But talk for a minute, and then we'll go to a break, but about what the Lord spoke to you some years ago and more recently, because this is,

this is God speaking. Well, when the Lord, when he did speak to me, he actually, I had such an encounter with the Lord on one occasion when I really feel like he was mantling me or calling me to what I do now, that his heart so invaded mine, Eric, that I found myself on the floor. Actually, I was getting ready to speak, and the presence of God came over me so strongly. And this is, this is, this is, this is not, this was so strange that I didn't even know what was happening. I just began to weep and didn't know why. I just know it was God. And then I began to sob and I couldn't talk. And so I laid my head on the pulpit and began to just weep and sob.

And my staff, Cece on the front row there, wondering, what do we do with this? What's going on? And I'd try to talk and couldn't. I was overcome. I was literally overcome. Now this is about 20 years ago? Yeah. Yes.

And so they talked for quickly. And Cece came up to the microphone and told the whole congregation, I don't know what's happening, but we know this is God. it and we know what he would want us to do. So we're going to dismiss the meeting, send everybody home, lock him in, put some music on repeat streaming and worship and leave him alone with God. And for three and a half hours, I wept until I thought my heart was going to break into, I can never talk about it without feeling this. Okay, hang on.

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Visit MyPillow.com or call 800-9783057. Use promo code Eric to unlock huge discounts. That's promo code Eric, MyPillow.com, 800, 978-8-3057. Welcome back, folks. I'm talking to a patriot and a man of God, Dutch sheets, Dutch. You're telling the story. You told on this program once before, but I want my audience to be tracking of what happened to you, but over 20 years ago, you were overcome with weeping. The presence of God just was so present that it broke your heart and you're weeping and weeping and weeping. And so talk. us through this because you were just getting to that. You know, and well, and so they left me alone with the Lord for three and a half hours. I wept and my heart broke. And I knew God is imparting to me at least a portion of his heart for America.

And it was so strange. I didn't feel anger. You know he has to have been angry many times at the actions of America. But that's not what he was downloading in me. It was the heart of a father for a prodigal son. And he said to me at one point, I must have this nation for what I'm going to do in the earth in this hour, this season of history. So it wasn't just about America. People that accuse us of this inappropriate patriotism.

My love for America is not just natural. It's supernatural from God. He gave me his heart. And then he said to me, I must have America, and you're going to help me, and I'm not the only one. You're going to help me get her back. That was my assignment. Well, we've been working on this since. That was 2000, almost 25 years ago.

And so over time, what he's taught me, and you mentioned the fact that I said America's saved. Well, I don't know how I said that, but let me clarify. When I say saved, I don't mean just born again for people coming to Christ. That word, sozo in New Testament, means wholeness. That's why we have to do more than Mark 16, get them saved. We have to disciple people and nations into a wholeness, into thinking like God thinks, into a disciple people. We didn't do that. In that movement I spoke of earlier while we were getting people saved doing Mark 16, guess what the world was doing, the secularists, the liberals, the left.

Well, we did Mark 16, Eric. They did Matthew 28. They disciplined a nation. We taught them how to get to heaven. Those people taught them, trained them, programmed them, how to think, how to operate. They said, you don't want the government? We'll take the government. And they disciple media, education, economics, government.

They transformed a nation. So what is God doing now? He has prepared a people who are beginning to understand this. They may not be able to state it theologically, as I'm doing, but they understand we got to get outside these four walls. We're called to do more than get people to heaven. We're called to bring the kingdom of God to earth. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done.

That's what Jesus said. You're going to teach them the principles of my kingdom here on earth. And so that's what God has been preparing. So what do you hear now? Who's God been giving voices to? Not just evangelists. That's not you hear whom you hear most from in this era and what God is doing. it'll happen again.

But what you hear most from are people like yourself who are saying, hey, we've got to get involved in the culture. We've got to get involved in speaking to government. The lads of Walnales who say, seven mountains, we've got to get people in all these. We can't run the world on Sunday morning. We can't transform the world on Sunday morning. So God is raising up a people that understand there's a lot more to just making converts.

You know, if I had my two daughters, If I had just raised them, now they're almost, they're 35, in that 35, 36, 7 range of the two of, if they were still in my house and I was still feeding them and taking care of them, usually I was a failure as a father. Because my assignment was not just to feed them and clothe them and take care of them. My assignment was to train and prepare them to become adults and responsible moms and dads and citizens. And so that's what the church has understood. We think we're supposed to be like mama bird feeding these baby Christians.

all their lives, come every Sunday morning. I hope you get through the next week. When God said, I want you to train them to where they're not just sheep, they're lions. I want to roar out of Zion. I want my eagle people to fly. I want them to have dominion in the earth. I'm just preaching. I'm sorry.

No, no, this is why I want you on here, because I want my audience to hear this stuff. And, you know, it's so funny because there's so many directions we can go. But the basic thing, what I keep seeing is the Lord going outside the church to shame the church. It happens over and over and over again. He gets, I mean, you think of the people that are ready to go to war against the deep state. Most of them are not, you know, Bible-believing Christians. And I'm at a point where I think I would much prefer a patriotic warrior who gets all this stuff than some Bible-believing Christian who doesn't get any of it. Because I kind of think, like, we use terms like Bible-believing Christian. I think, well, if you really were a Bible-believing Christian,

you would get this stuff. You clearly don't get the guts of what the Bible is saying. You say, well, I believe in this. I believe in the bodily resurrection. Well, good for you. But you're not living like you believe those things. Because if you live like you believe those things, you're going to be a world changer. And again, we have so many Christians, they just couldn't care less.

It's just bizarre to me that they don't make the connection. It's no different than if it's 1860 and you say, well, I don't care about slavery. I just, I'm a Christian. I just care about what I hear about in church. If you're going to a church that's not talking about chattel slavery and how it's evil, I want to know what kind of a church are you going to? And there are millions of Christians in America today going to churches, evangelical churches, that couldn't care less about issues that are the equivalent of slavery.

They just don't care. They just somehow believe that they get this religious carve out. We can just sit on the fence with that stuff. We just want to preach the gospel. We just want to do church. And I know that the whole story of Bonhofer, and by the way, folks, if you haven't seen the film,

for the love of Pete, go see the film yesterday. But that's to me the essence of the story of Bonhoffer, and it's the Lord's message to us today. We'll be right back, folks. We're talking to Dutch sheets. Don't go away. Welcome back, folks.

I'm talking to Dutch sheets. And I got to say Dutch, you, at some point, I don't know if it was in the last couple of years, but the Lord, somehow communicated to you that we had, now I'm using the term saved. I don't mean, you know, in the religious sense, but that somehow America had been saved that we're going to get to keep going. So saved doesn't mean like we're done, but it's sort of like, you know, to be saved from destruction

so that we can move forward. And I think with the election of Trump, that's essentially what happened, is that now we get to go to war against evil. But it's a war. It's a war. It's a war. It's a It's kind of like Washington being preserved after the Battle of Brooklyn, Battle of Long Island. Okay, the Army's preserved. Now we have several years of work to do. But it's a joy that we get to do it. Well, I'm glad you said several years because that's right. Revival is going to happen very quickly.

But the reformation aspect, Matthew 28, Discipling Nation, reforming, that takes time. So the church is going to have to roll up our sleeves. We're going to have to roll up our sleeves. and we're going to have to do some things we've not done before. We've lulled people to sleep. We've caused people in the last 30, 40 years in America. We've preached a gospel and taught a Bible that makes it look like it's all about us. God just wants to take care of me.

He wants me to be happy. He wants all my needs to be met. Well, sure, he's a good dad. But he wants you to do more. He wants to do more than that. He wants to transform you more and more like him. He wants you to partner with him in the earth. He wants you to help save nations.

You know, there's a very fascinating passage in Romans 8 where God says, we're all children. And if children, we're heirs. But then he goes on to say, but the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God. Well, most people think they just use children and sons interchangeably there. But it's not the case. Paul under the Holy Spirit's leadership is using two different words. And he's talking about as a Technon or a Pidion or a Napios, three words. for child. Hey, it doesn't matter if you're four years old. You have all the rights. You get the food.

You get the house. You get all the blessings of the family. Dad's going to take care of you. But then he says, but the huiauses, sons, which means a fully matured son or daughter who is now mature and trained and can take over the family business. Dad can give them authority. They actually went through a ceremony called a weothesia placing into sonship where the father spoke over the son in the in public this is my beloved son in whom i'm well pleased that's why the father did it over jesus he was saying this is his wheel theseia my point is not until that stage is a child now trained and trusted to be given full authority in the family to rule to handle the finances etc well romans 8 says earth is groaning and travailing not way

for children. They're not groaning and travailing for God's kids. The earth is groaning and travailing waiting for God's sons who are mature enough to heal the earth, to heal nations, to transform. They're not. We think just by being a good Christian, we're going to transform nations. Come on. God wants to raise up people who are so filled with his wisdom and authority. They can go into these nations after revival hits and teach them how to transform their economy, teach them how to overcome poverty and disease and raise up righteous governments. That's where we're going, Eric. We've got to do it in America first. We've got to go back into our government and these agencies and raise up people with enough wisdom to say, here's how we change this and build it in a way that's right.

And we all know that if the election had been stolen in 2020, if Trump had gotten in in 2020, we would not be where we are today. By the grace of God, the Lord used these last four years to wake up people, myself included to some extent, who had not been fully awake to the evil that we have to go to war with. But now, by God's grace, many people, and at the head of the line as Donald Trump, understand the depth of the corruption, the depth of the evil arrayed against anyone that wants to change the system that wants to do good. And, you know, I say in my, in the new book, Religion is Christianity, I say that we're in the third existential crisis of our history, the first of revolution, second civil war.

We are now in the third one. And it's about, we are at war with globalists, communists, people that hate America because they hate God. They hate God's purposes. and they're at war with what you said early on. God wants to, he said to you, I must have this nation for what I am to do in the earth. And it really is true that America gets in the devil's way of taking over the earth. And that's why the Lord has called us to be a nation to stand against the globalists

and all else that's there. But I guess I'm hopeful, Dutch, that a lot of, good things are coming out. In other words, it seems to me that people are more and more awake to what we have to deal with. Yeah, like you, Eric, four years ago, 2020, I really felt like, I felt like the words God, he was speaking to me and others, was implying that he was going to turn that around. He was going to expose the theft and all that happened, and this was going to be reversed. I now know, as is often the case. God is interpreting prophetic words and dreams and what God says to you.

Interpreting the timing is one of the most difficult things that there is about the prophetic. And I thought it was then. But when it didn't happen, I knew. I saw it the Lord. And I knew he is allowing this so that he can uncover. There is absolutely no way the American people would have been prepared enough for the change, nor could Trump and any team he put together have done it back then because the exposure hadn't happened. The American people, most of them, that have any sense and that aren't totally deceived,

are fed up with the evil, the corruption, the dishonesty, the selfish ambition, all of these things that take place in our government. And so I knew what God is doing. There's only one thing he's doing because he's told me clearly, I am answering your prayers. Don't waver. So I knew, okay, the only reason he would be doing this is to expose. You know, the word revelation means uncover, literally, or unveil.

He's been giving America a revelation. We make that just a religious term, but it's not. He's lifting the veil off of the evil. And Eric, I think it's just starting. We're seeing the fruit of that evil. We're about to see the details. this thing's going to get ugly. That's how I was going to say.

There's so much, well, we'll be right back, folks, lots more with Dutch Sheets. Don't go away. Welcome back talking to Dutch Sheets. Dutch, we've got two more segments. This one's a short one. But you mentioned something the other day about bail as a principality. Can you touch on that? I can, you know, and I went to a, this God allowed me to have.

go through a season 10, 12 years ago. I don't know what it was, but where I was in a spiritual warfare, something was coming against oppression, heaviness. And I understand that world, so I would resist it and claim peace and, you know, begin to go to the word, but it wouldn't lift. And I actually called a prophet friend of my, Chuck Pearson, said, man, do you have any prophetic insight for me? This has been going for two or three weeks.

I can't break it. I know it's spiritual. He said, yeah, it's bail. I said, bail, Elijah dealt with bail. He said, it's a strong man over America. God wants you to study and learn and understand this principality so you can help us see what's happened and what the scriptures say about overcoming. Well, I just knew he was right when he said it.

It just resonated in my heart. So into the scriptures and studied Bayo, and I believe that is the strong man that's been ruling American. And, you know, Bayo called himself, Bail was called the Lord of Covenant. He represented so many things, but if you want to know what Bail represented, go back to the Old Testament to Egypt, go back to the human sacrifices, go back to the perversions, go back to Jezebel.

Jezebel was a person, but also a spirit that served under Bail. The bell part of her name is Bail. And so the immorality, the violence, the bloodlet, the bloodshed, the bloodshed. Bail demands bloodshed. That's why the priests on Mount Carmel in the confrontation with Elijah cut themselves. They were sacrificing to Bail saying, come on, bail, answer us. We're shedding blood for you. God wouldn't let it happen.

But long story short, God said to me, you're going to have to begin to pray against and declare my word and see this spirit overthrown. You can't just do that by prayer, Eric. It's a combination of all the things we're talking about and prayer. But bail is a principality that's been around forever, obviously, that has been given a place in America. And I believe this spirit really became entrenched when we decided to legalize and from the top down say the shedding of innocent blood is okay in America. That's when this spirit has been fed by that innocent blood ever since that time.

This is why the decision by the Supreme Court was important, even though it hasn't translated into all the states and everywhere at this point. You can still get an abortion. But the point is, from the top down, a national decree was reversed that can allow God to deal with it now at a local level, individual level, state level. But we aren't under this national curse from this law. we still have to deal with innocent blood being shed, but these laws are significant. When a king makes a decree or a leader or a government, that becomes something that is honored in the spirit realm

that causes ramifications. It allows the enemy to operate. It sometimes keeps God from being able to give grace and mercy and have to bring judgment. So it's all intertwined. I know I probably got that a little conflated, but principality that rules this nation, but is being broken. Well, see, that's what's so amazing to me that you would say that it's being broken,

because I resonate with that. But talk about good news. Wow. Wow. And, you know, I believe this is what the call events that Lou Engel did. We're all about this. It's the 7777 is a number of covenant or marriage in scripture. Bayo called himself the God of Covenant.

Many times when God was breaking the hold of this spirit, you'll find sevens in the process. He said, go sacrifice seven bulls. March around the city seven times. Because an oath of covenant was repeated seven times. The word seven and the word oath are the same. Forgive me going to a break. We'll drag you over into hour two. Folks, don't go away.