The Eric Metaxas Show - Elizabeth Farah (Continued)

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Eric joins Elizabeth Farah on her program "The Elizabeth Farah Show" to discuss the immigration crisis that faces America. 

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In England, 75% of Muslims want Sharia to be the dominant law. And forget whatever British legal system, the common law at all that they have. They want when they are a majority to be

and they are, you know, obviously not a majority now, but you wouldn't notice that because it seems as if they're getting very close. They want, through political means, to achieve the political power to establish Sharia law in the UK. So they've canceled Easter elsewhere. They, Prince Charles, I mean, King Charles didn't even celebrate or say anything about the most recent I think it was like a church of England Christian day. It was very important and it's not something I celebrate.

But he did celebrate Ramadan and the end of Ramadan. You understand. They're really like Christians. No, I know that. I know that. What I'm saying they also just appointed a Muslim imam to head the education system in Great Britain to he is the one who will determine. the curriculum for all of Great Britain or all of the United Kingdom.

And what I am proposing is this, that we need to have this national conversation because it's very simple to look at your neighbor who's this great guy, you know, you borrow his lawnmower, and you have him over for dinner, and he's just a wonderful person. But the culture being imported is a different thing than the individual. and just as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, you could go through Egypt, would no more be willing to shed itself of its Muslim character. And by the way, I respect that, because I may want the inevitable that the entire world embraces our Lord and Savior. That would be my goal.

But I wouldn't say, let's go to war against Saudi Arabia and make sure that we make them Christians. I mean, that's just kind of an absurdity in the sense that we know you can't. We know it doesn't work. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. But they're not going to have a million Christian evangelicals move into Saudi Arabia and give them the rights to evangelize. And so my question is, if in 1776, communist. Indian Hindus and Islamics, maybe primarily Arab, as you said, could not create America that it required a certain kind of Christianity and this time to cultivate. Today, if we were, this is, again, just a thought experiment.

If we were one-third Christian, one-third Hindu, and one-third Muslim, would we still be America today? And so my question then is, can we talk about that? Because it's not about racism. It's not about hatred or divisiveness. It's really about will we be able to. retain an American identity because there is never going to be in another America. And once we toss that aside, like England has tossed it aside, essentially, and they may very well, it may lead to their total destruction, or I would say war, conflict, because

they're also, you know, Islam has no greater disdain than for a polytheist. religion, then, you know, we're importing racism, ethnic conflict, strife. We're bringing that over, as if we don't have enough to deal with in America ourselves. Let's hope we're not doing it anymore. By the grace of the Lord, Donald Trump is president, and he gets this stuff. I mean, the previous administration, it seems that they were globalist lunatics intent on destroying the America we love. They would prefer people to come in who are used to being ruled, who do not believe in self-government, because those people can be manipulated. Those people will not fight back. And they were bringing them in and they were

undermining the faith and the values that those of us here have had over the decades. It's been undermine more and more and more. Those people are pliable and they can be ruled. But again, by the grace of the Lord, we were able in this last election to elect someone who understands this stuff, who understands that we the people, we are the government of the United States. We will not be ruled by anyone. We are self-governing. And so I actually think that what is happening now is shining a light of freedom. The whole world is looking and thinking, what do they have there? They actually have accountability, government efficiency. They're slashing things. What is that? What is that? We would like that. There are many people around the world who would love a little bit of that,

but their leaders don't want them to have that. And so they are in a huge battle. We're in a battle here, but they're in a huge battle in Canada. And you mentioned England and Germany. And so this is very interesting. Where is it going? France, for sure. My goodness, absolutely. Well, France is the greatest percentage of Muslims in their population. And what you find, I think from the UAE, their foreign minister and from various Arab and they are Muslim, I presume, I mean, they don't say otherwise. They're not Christians, obviously. They say that the West is making a huge mistake because in the West, this is where. what some people would call extreme Islam, others would say

Quranic Sharia Islam, I mean the fundamentals of the Quranic faith. If you've read the Quran, you see it there. That extremism and violence and all that is not welcome in, say, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates. But in England, France, Germany, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, enter the streets, they stop all traffic and they begin to pray because that is a sign that we are here. We will not go away and we will be a Sharia Muslim nation. And so my question is, how do you see into the heart and say to somebody from Jordan like, you know,

we've had recently Jordanians attempting to basically go into, say, military bases or FBI offices or compounds for, you know, seeing if they could achieve some kind of terrorist event. And what I'm saying is when that guy from Jordan came over, you know, if the man who presumably saran, sir on, sarahun, came into America who was, how is how is, how is, and he assassinated, or that was his intent, whether he had a group or not, Robert F. Kennedy, you can't see into that person's heart. And he was doing it because he was, Robert F. Kennedy stated that he was going to give Jets to Israel in his campaign. And he said, then I knew I had to kill him. My point is, you can't see into the heart of people that come over. and if we brought in tomorrow 20 million Muslims.

Why would we do that? Well, right now, Care, Council of American Islamic, well, why would we is actually the point. I agree with you. We shouldn't do that. No, we have a moratorium. But based on what's happened over the last few years,

we should have a total moratorium on immigration, and we should take a hard look at this because of where we, are. And yes, we should be aggressively deporting anyone who seems not to be on board with the values of America. We should have people here who are not born here unless those people really dramatically buy into our values. And, you know, it's, this is basic stuff. And listen, we have lost cultural confidence in the West. There are enough Americans who have it that we're fighting back, we're praying. But in Europe, you know, when you talk about England, they deserve this.

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You know, you could say the same for Germany, for France. they don't know, they don't have a robust Christian identity and it will lead inevitably to their downfall unless enough people wake up, unless enough people understand that at the heart of freedom, what we have in America, all of these things that we treasure come out of Christian faith. And again, it doesn't mean that everybody has to be an evangelical believer, but there's a culture that surrounds freedom and faith. And enough of that culture has to be at work. And if they don't want that, they will lose their country, which is what is happening. Exactly. As a matter of fact, I saw on X, a British woman doing a short video, and she read off the list of mayors of towns across England, and they were all Muslim. Every

mayor was Muslim. And what I'm wondering is, do we have enough guts? It's a good. It's a Christian church, you know, your books are so beautiful and how they, because we have to take responsibility. It's the Christian church that is failing. It is the Christian people that are failing that we don't even know enough to not allow this to happen because reversing course, once you, once we have like 14 million green card holders. They're not American citizens yet. I don't know what the composition of that is, but say it's, you know, it doesn't matter. The point is, once you naturalize somebody, how do you unnaturalize them? In some countries, you can do that. In America, we don't have that process or that methodology. So somebody could be naturalized in the United States

of America, two weeks later, take down, you know, a 50-story building and with a plane or whatever, and he's still an American citizen. You can't weed it out after the fact. You can only do it preventatively. I'm thinking that what, and by the way, I brought up your books because I mistakenly identified if you can keep it as your most recent. I don't know what I was thinking because it's religionless Christianity, God's answer to evil, and your prior book was Letter to the American Church. Very, very, very powerful.

but you call for boldness, you call for courage, you call for men to be men and women to support those men and to all of us to be fighting in this battle of faith. And that means we have to enter into the political sphere. We have to make our voices known, I mean our opinions and beliefs known, and be fearless about it. And so this conversation about immigration,

do I want millions of Muslims when they are literally stating, their leaders here in America are stating, we are going to set up Sharia cities around the country. We're going to make Texas, the center of Islam, the epicenter of Islam in America, and we are going to have 40 or 50 Muslims in Congress within 10 years. Well, look, if we would let them do that, We deserve to go down.

I mean, if Governor Abbott and John Cornyn, the rhino, John Cornyn, and Ted Cruz, and every single congressman does not stand against this and say, hell no, not in your, not in your wildest dreams. Well, will you let you do this? But if we let them do it, why would you blame them for doing, you know, if you, it's kind of like Trump says, you know, China's ripping us off. And he takes his hat off to them because we've let them. If we don't let them think, they won't do it. But you can't blame them for trying to do it. And so the idea that we're not going to blame these Muslims, I blame us for letting them do it.

You don't allow people to do this. You don't allow the trainees to come in with their communist values, atheist values, and buy farmland. If you let them do it, you're to blame. And so that's exactly where we are. And in my books, Letter to the American Church and a religionist Christianity, my two most recent books, I'm talking about we need a robust Christianity, not a Mike Pence Christianity or George W. Bush Christianity, or like I'm a nice guy. You've got to live out your faith and to love people is to speak the truth and to fight for the truth. That's what love is. So if you define love, this cheap version of love, which means being nice and letting people roll over you, your heart. harming millions of people if you behave like that. You're not loving your neighbor. You're harming your neighbor. And so we need robust Christianity. And so in Letter to the American Church and the new book, Religinalist Christianity, I'm talking about what is real Christianity?

What's the kind of Christianity that gives us a nation like the United States of America? Most of the founders and all of the Black Rove Regiment in the Christians of the 18th century, they were fiery Christians. They were not, well, you know, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're sweet people, were nice church people. No, they believed in freedom. They denounced tyranny, and they were willing to die for it. That's Christianity in action. At least it was back then. And we have to have people like that. William Wilberforce, a real Christian, fought and fought and fought to abolish the slave trade. You have to live out your fate. And so that's part of what I see happening right now. It's why I wrote these two books.

We've got to live out our faith. If you don't live out your faith, if you're some kind of, you know, as I said, a Mike Pence, a Christian or a George W. Bush Christian, or there are many others that, you know, they're nice people, but they don't understand this piece. They don't understand that God calls us to be warriors for truth. You know, Elijah and David and Jesus and others, they were fiery figures, passionate figures, but we really now have adopted this kind of Ned Flanders kind of faith, and it is utterly destructive. And basically, it's not real faith. That's the bottom line.

It's not like a different kind of faith. It's a lack of faith masquerading as faith, and it's dead religion. That's why the title of the book is religion-less Christianity, real Christianity, not dead, church-ianity, not dead religion. You know, in California, I couldn't believe that I saw this, that there was a, and what I realized is that Hinduism, if you study India at all, which I did, I spent a semester with one of my high school children homeschooling. We spent a whole semester on India. And I was really shocked by the culture because, and by the way, that doesn't mean that clean, you know, go to the techno park and, you know, you're taking on a tour of these industrial areas. They're manicured and, you know, very, very picture.

and very modern and Western, if you want to call it that. I was looking at the caste system and so much of that part of India. And what I found as Indians say that the caste system is, it's sort of like our DNA and our culture is, you know, independence, it's Christianity or those Christian values. And you have a cultural DNA. and you're just born in America and you get that culture very, very quickly.

It's not a physical thing. It's just your culture provides that. But the caste system in India creates an entirely different culture than we have here in America. It is good. Let's say it. It's demonic. Yeah, yeah.

Literally demonic. It's the antithesis of everything we have believed in America that we're all equal in God's sight, whatever. It's a completely different view. It's a horrible, horrible. view. And if anybody thinks, you know, all religions are the same, try to live as an untouchable in India and tell me all religions are the same. It's nonsense. And William Wilberforce, by the way, stood boldly, very bold over 200 years ago against what was going on in India. He said,

if we, the English nation, are going to be in India, let's bring our values there. Let's let the missionaries do their work. Because what they have there is subjugating people. in a way that is absolutely demonic. He saw that, he fought against it. All the people in England who were making a lot of money who were not real Christians, they couldn't care less. So if you're a Christian, you're going to care about strangers. You're going to care about people in other countries

and you're going to care about other cultures because you know it's harming human beings. That's right. When they got there, the burning of wives when their husbands died, not all of them, but especially I think the more elevated, maybe the Brahmins, many wives, would die, I think it's called Satie. I write about that in my Wilberforce book Amazing Grace.

It enraged William Wilberforce, and there's a whole chapter about India in my book Amazing Grace about Wilberforce because it was one way that he lived out his faith that most people don't know. Well, I did not know that until you just brought it up to me. So thank you so much because I'm definitely going to now look at that. If in California, okay, the untouchables are typically called Dalits now, D-A-L-I-T, and the companies, the culture is being imported when there's, especially in particular when there's a concentration of Indian immigrants, such as in Silicon Valley in California.

And there have been lawsuits because Dalit's untouchables are truly treated just that way. I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime, but is there because he's a victim. If you change your mind, take a chance, I'm the first in line. Honey, I'm still free. Take a chance on me. I'm talking to people in the industry every day. I'm talking to Americans, Christians who say, I've seen it being surrounded by Indians in an American country on American soil.

And I have seen, I have been told you never open the door. Like a boss of a multimillion dollar company will say, come on everybody in the conference room, hold open the door. That's an American thing to do. because it's, you know, I'm a regular person. I'm the boss. Well, it's not with that. It's serving leadership.

It's a Christian thing. Exactly. It's a Christian that has come into our culture. Right. And so, but Indians say, and it's not the only person I've heard it from ultimately over and over again. I had a guest who's formerly, well, he's Indian and he's been in the West now since he was 17 years of age. He said, In America, if I saw somebody struggling with baggage in an airport, I would race over.

He said, not when I first moved here to Great Britain when he moved originally and help them. He said, in India, you never would. Because immediately, you are now a subservient you are looked down on and the entire culture works this way. If a CEO opens up the door and all of his people go into the conference room, now he's just come down. Or if it's just one of your colleagues, he just put himself on the bottom rung of that department there. And so what happened that shocked me to death, well, not to death, but shocked me to the core, was that a Dalit or a group of Dalits in California brought a lawsuit because a, against the caste system at their company. And Governor Newsom, thank you.

Sorry, I couldn't think of his name, the governor of California. A bill was put in front of his desk. He did not sign it. He stopped it. It was to prohibit the caste system in the state of California. He would not sign it. That tells me, of course, there, Gavin Newsom is an infestine. Fidel, but the point is that in America, it's already beginning where Ramadan is being celebrated in

Texas cities and cast is in California. And this is, this is, I, what my goal is, let's talk about this, like you and I are. Let's exchange and teach each other. But then let's make some real decisions because I want to prevent the ethnic, racial, religious strife that we are inculcating now. Let's not wait till it's too late until we are in England. What you're talking about, I mean, this is so funny because this is exactly what I write about in my Wilberforce book, Amazing Grace. Wilberforce saw that the English making money in India, who had tremendous power there, put Carolinas about the Indian people. If they're treating each other like scum, they didn't care.

Only the Christians cared. Only the missionaries care. Wilberforce cared. It's the same thing in America. Gavin Newsom doesn't care. Does he care? What does he care? Or what do people care if they're sex trafficking?

Oh, that's just their culture. We don't treat them like human beings. We just like let them be whatever they are. No, not in America. In America, we don't put up with them. that. In America, we have a culture that says, yes, I will open the door for you. If you're struggling with luggage, yes, I will run up. That's American culture. It is fundamentally Christian. And there is no getting around it. You don't have to be a Christian to get this stuff. And this is one of the things I

write about in the Wilberforce book is that many people, over time, Wilberforce was able to change the culture in England so that the idea of a social conscience, when you see a poor person, You say, well, I need to help that poor person. Where did that idea come from? It comes right out of the gospel. It's a biblical idea. It did not exist in Great Britain until William Wilberforce brought these ideas into the culture. In other words, Great Britain might have been officially Christian, but they were behaving like a pagan nation.

Wilberforce, by the grace of God, brings these ideas into the mainstream of English culture, and it spreads around Europe, it spreads to the United States, so that we then have the this idea of a social conscience. So every atheist today, every agnostic today says, oh, I've got to care about or where do you get that idea? That idea is a biblical idea. Period. Case closed. Where do you get the idea that racism is wrong? Where do you get the, if you're an atheist, where do you get the idea racism is wrong? It's a biblical idea. All of these ideas are biblical ideas and Christians have imported them into the culture. And in some cases, as I said, this whole idea of a social conscience, have got to care about the four, every atheist and agnostic buys into that.

They just don't know where it comes. And so we, the Christians have been leading the way on, we need to continue to lead the way on that. We need to continue to make the case that these are biblical ideas. You show me, if you believe we evolved out of the primordial soup and our lives are meaningless, why I should care about the poor, why I shouldn't be a racist, those, all these ideas that we- Or why women, you know, in the left- And the scriptures, you know, when God says male and female, he created them, he was in his image, male and female. He was in his image. You do not have that in Islam. And the caste system in Hinduism, I saw a Hindu that had been, who's a Brahman. He is a Brahman. He converted to Christianity many. many years ago. Very interesting story. He's a tech guy. He's an engineer. His father was a nuclear

engineer. Lovely person. But the interviewer asked, well, so when did you leave being Brahmin and blah, blah, blah, and he said, oh, you don't leave your cast. And that's true. In Patterson, New Jersey, Go Dutch Street, you were sweet, Doc O'Shawn. In Patterson, New Jersey, they now, they change their main street from Main Street to Palestine Way.

They say, This city is the fourth holiest place in Islam, and the police officers are wearing Palestinian. the police officers in America are wearing patches on their like swat vests that are Palestinian. Do we think that this is not going to be a powdered cake? When, like if there's a Hindu peg, like right next to a Muslim holy site, which is all of Patterson, New Jersey now apparently, according to them, and there's a Hindu temple with a bare-breasted woman with eight arms in the next

town over, are we going to have problems with this? We are when the masses are being brought in. I think we should have a moratorium like you just said. Oh, listen, and it's not just that. If Christians would be actual Christians, we wouldn't have this problem. We have a lot of church-going religious, pseudo-Christian Christians in America. And we have a lot of Christian Peter that are happy to have those kinds of Christians in the pews. If Christians would be, real Christian living out their faith, as I have said in a number of my books, but the most recent, you mentioned letter to the American Church and religionless Christianity, if we would have real Christians living out their faith, it's a new world. And you could say the same thing in

England. I mean, you can blame the Muslims all you want. If the Christians would be real Christians, you wouldn't have a Muslim prop. You wouldn't have, but this stuff comes from the church being weak, from the church, not really being the church. So I put this, you know, at the foot of the church. There are just so many Christians that are unwilling to live out their faith. What should Christian pastors do? Let's talk for a moment. Just interrupted you.

Sorry. What is Eric Metax's advice? We've got Christian men, Christian women, young people, the younger generation. We've got pastors, leaders, and they're afraid of being canceled, they're afraid of being called Islamophobes. I'm not because I will give you my definition.

I'm proud of this definition. There is such a thing as Islamophobia. It is the irrational fear of criticizing a religion or a culture that is Muslim. Because why should you be afraid? No one's afraid of criticizing, and picking apart Christianity, but if you're afraid of picking apart Islam, the Quran, their prophet, and at all,

then you are an Islamophobic. You're rationally afraid of it. So people are afraid. They've been conditioned. It is cowardly. Yes. How do we inspire? What are the words?

What are the techniques that they can use so that they can frame the debate, talk about it with friends, and also say, no, I'm not a racist, and this is why. This is nothing to do with this. In other words, how do we have this healthy, robust debate where we're actually scoring points, good points, godly points, in defending our culture and identity?

I don't think, I think it's easier than that. I think people always think I have to win a debate. I'll tell you what the main thing people should do. And people have been asking me because I've been going around the country for the last three years talking about my book, letter to the American church, which is all about this. People say, what can I do? What should I do? What should I do? It's pretty simple. If you're going to a church where the pastor is a coward, you are guilty. God calls you guilty if you're giving God's money to a church, to a leader that is not leading on these issues.

And there are many Christians perfectly willing for the little religious reasons to say, well, I tried to talk to the pastor, but, but, but they keep going to the church, keep giving God's money and keep giving God's time to a church that is not leading on this kind of stuff. And I say to people, if you're not willing to get out of that church and find a church, even if you have to follow somebody online, there are plenty heroes online, have a home church. But supporting churches and church leaders that are utterly guilty of this, you are guilty if you're doing that. And there are tons of people that I've met. They're just unwilling to leave their cozy little church. That's a lack of love for your neighbor, because what you're doing is perpetuating all

the stuff that we're talking about here. And so it's the free market, Elizabeth. Think about it. It's the free market. Nobody can force you to go to this church or that church, what you have complete freedom. And so you need to use that freedom and choose what is right and good. Find a church where they are talking about this stuff. Or I say to people, at least give my book letter to the American Church to your pastor or ask your past,

reading the film, we made a documentary film letter to the American church. Push hard. And if they're not interested, shake the dust off your feet and move on. And if you don't, God will judge you because you are guilty. And Bonhofer, he never said it, but it's associated with him. Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. you don't get a pass. If you're silent in the face of Eve

or you can't be trouble, you're guilty. You're participating with evil. And we're seeing it in America. The church, enough people in the church finally woke up that we were able to get our country back. Temporarily. Temporarily, at least. We hope for longer than that.

Fight and fight and fight. But plenty are just going along to get along. They couldn't chair less. and I just say they're guilty. So if the church would be the church, you attract, I mean, when you go to a church like, you know, the ones that I'm talking about, it's attractive to non-believers.

They're like, you care about freedom, you care about talking about the lunacy of the transgender stuff, you care about all the stuff we're seeing. You care about that? Your faith leads you to care about that. That's a faith I could be interested in. And actually, that's what appealed to me about Bonhofer when I wasn't even a believer

and somebody shared the story of Bonner, but I thought, huh. So that's the kind of Christianity that is interesting to me. A guy willing to live out his faith, even if he dies, because he believes Jesus defeated death. So he's really living at his fate

and it has real world consequences. And by the way, I should mention, April 9th is the 80th anniversary of the death of Dietrich Bonhofer. If there is anybody out there who hasn't yet seen the film, There's a great film about Bonhofer came out in November. It was in theaters.

It is a great film. Is it on Netflix and Amazon? And it's on Amazon Prime. It's on Apple TV. And the left did everything they could to crush the film. It is a great film. They begged people see the film because the left did everything. They pulled out all the stops to crush the film.

It is a great Christian film Bonhofer. It just came out a few months ago. Oh, I can't wait. to see it. I'm definitely going to and looking at our current situation with President Trump.

He's got a lot on his shoulders and we want him to be successful and we want that success though to be in all the right things. And I'm looking at immigration. I'm looking at these cultural

identity. Saving America has got to be about saving America, not just being prosperous. It can't just be about money. It's got to be about saving the culture. I said, look, we have one Mexico. We have one France. We have one China. You know, I think we deserve to have an America and that America to remain. I would never say, let's get rid of Mexico as a nation. I don't want that to happen to my country. I just saw Elon Musk, who is an immigrant. And by the way, patriotic immigrants inspire me. I want to hug them through my camera. I mean, I love the immigrant that is a passionate defender of the culture and the people and the nation and the history and the great traditions of America and the faith of our founding fathers.

So I love that. And I've been watching Elon since the election. I've been watching President Trump as we all are. And Elon just came out with a short clip. We'll probably insert it here, but I'm not going to play it now. And he's essentially saying mass immigration to any nation, any state, it is impossible because it will cease to exist. It's a death now.

I totally paraphrase that. And so I'm thinking. well, that's a positive thing because Elon has the ear of the people. He has my ear. I care about what he thinks because I like him. And then President Trump needs all the advisors he can have that will say, you know what,

we need to let the American people, American people speak, and we need to think, we need to pause, and we don't need to just have a million, like we're bringing in a million new immigrants. We have the highest rate of American citizens who were not born in America since, I don't know, the 1800s or before that. I'm not sure the exact date. I want to pause on it. So my question, do you would be, if you spoke to President Trump, if you spoke to Elon or any other particular person in their cabinet, what would you say about not illegal?

immigration, but immigration and the preservation of our identity? I think they understand the immigration part, but they don't really understand the why. And that's what we've been talking about in our conversation. You have to understand why it's not a problem because of racial identity or that somebody is not an American who comes to America. America is a country of people who started out not as Americans. American identity is not racial, ethnic. It is something else. And that's something else is inextricably intertwined with the Bible and Christian faith. There is no getting around it. And I think that both of them, they don't have people around them who are sharing this kind of thing with them, but Christianity

is at the heart of why America is great. There's no way around it. But we have all kinds of, you know, lame versions of Christianity. They've probably seen a lot of. that. I know Trump's and they go, I don't know what that is. I'm not interested. Talking about something else and Hope Bill understood it and wrote about it. Tom Holland wrote a called Dominion where I interviewed him at Socrates in the city. He understands this. I don't know that he's even a Christian, but he understands that, boy, these Christian values are earth-shaking. They change culture. They made Europe. Trump and Elon Musk need to understand.

And they need to understand, frankly, if you want to save America, you want revival in America.