The Eric Metaxas Show - Eric Metaxas

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

Eric, Chris, and Keith break down the recent news. 

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Hey there, folks. It's Tuesday. I'm back from England, back from London, back in New York. It's always weird. It's always weird. Chris Himes. Hello, Governor. Fresh in your tea, Governor. Yeah. Yeah, that's it.

You make me feel right at home again because I met, honestly, I have always felt a love for England. I was an English major. I grew up in America. It's the mother country. There is so much culturally, so much cultural affinity that we have with England that I remember the first time I went there, which was 1983. when I graduated college, you just thought like, oh, yeah, like, I've been here my whole life, except I've never been here before. It really is interesting in that way, in so many ways. Suzanne and I are such anglofiles that we went there on our honeymoon, almost 29 years ago.

We went to London for our honeymoon. Who the heck does that? But we did that in October of 1996. So every time we go there, it's just a happy thing. Of course, my love for C.S. Lewis ties into it. There's just a lot that I love about England. So we were there. Why were we there? We were there because on July 4th, on Independence Day, our friends, Lawrence Fox and his now wife, Lizzie Fox, they were married on July 4th. And both of them have a love of the United States. So even though it was a country wedding in England in Mercy, which is about two hours

east of London. It was very American. I wore red, white, and blue. I wore red pants and, you know, my standard blue blazer, red white and blue tie, white shirt, whatever. But it was like, it was a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful July 4th celebration with people, most of whom,

I want to talk about the wedding, most of whom love America, most of whom love Donald Trump. It was just wild. We didn't know who was going to be there. And when we showed up, and by the way, folks, before I keep going here, let me say, we've got a lot of news to report. I've been very active on Twitter X, commenting on things, Elon Musk, a lot of things that have been going on, this horrible thing that happened in Texas, this great, great, great tragedy. So we're going to be talking about all kinds of stuff. but first I thought let me give an update on where I've been so we can know where we're going.

So we were in, Suzanne and I were in London. We stayed at the In-and-Out Club. We have reciprocal rights with the club that we're a member of here in New York, the Union League Club. And so you can stay at these old British clubs, old English clubs, which is kind of cool in many, many ways. It's amazing to be in one of those clubs. You know, you've got to wear jacket and tie to go to the diner.

room. It's a whole thing. But it was, it was extraordinary being there, but we were there for the wedding of our friends, Lawrence Fox and Lizzie. And honestly, Lawrence has been on the show a bunch times. Just in case people don't know his story, he comes from a big deal acting family in England. I'm friends with his father, James Fox, who has been in several merchant ivory films and all kinds of big films over the decades. He's now in his 80s. And Lauren's, is one of his sons, and Lawrence, like many in the family, went into acting, and he was canceled because five years ago, he was on some chat show in England, and he basically said, no, I don't think England is a racist country. Because of that, he was canceled, so he's become this big deal

political activist, and he's been canceled in the acting world. He did play the role of Hunter Biden in my son, Hunter, which some of you remember, we talked about that on this program. So he's really like a political activist and a total hero at this point. And he was getting married and we thought, we've got to go. So we went not knowing who would be there. We arrive. We walk in. And who's the first person I see?

Naomi Wolf. Wow. Hey, Naomi, what are you doing here? She and her husband got to know Lawrence and Lizzie. I think it was a Mark Stein cruise, like a, year, sometime in the past year. But like all of these, you know, freedom lovers are becoming friends. It was incredible, Eric.

I was sort of catching up vicariously on your Instagram. And it was like they had gone down a week of shows on the Eric Mattaxia show and decided to invite the week of a guest that week. Yeah. I think they used our show to help to figure out who to invite. Keith and Albin helped them do the invite list. Well, this is, I mean, anybody who knows the show, some people will not get this. But, I mean, first of, Naomi Wolf was there.

And I want to tell you about that. But also, who is performing the wedding? Who's performing the ceremony? Calvin Robinson, the great father Calvin Robinson was there. And I've got to say publicly, folks, it was so, the ceremony was so beautiful. everyone said, oh, it's so beautiful. And I said, you know what? No, no, it's not merely beautiful.

It was holy. It was holy. It was sacred. And it was so anointed that when someone did the reading from Corinthians, love is patient, love is kind, you know, normally I roll my eyes like, oh, yeah, this old chestnut. You know, like we have every wedding, every, it was so anointed that I got choked up listening to the reading of that passage in Corinthians. It was so anointed, so beautiful. The ceremony was right out of the Church of England, the prayer book, and we've all

heard it before. We've all heard these words before that are so sacred and beautiful. And I think oftentimes evangelicals, we have disdain for written prayers for, we immediately say, that's like the heathen repeating prayers or whatever no no that's wrong they can be like that but there's also you know it's it's like would you say that about the lord's prayer would you say that about the the prayer of our lord jesus like oh like to make up your own why do you have to read that why do you have to that's wrong and people need to you know kind of get off these theological hobby horses so sometimes these sacred words that have been repeated over and and over and over, there's something to them that's powerful.

Totally. And the words spoken by Calvin were so beautiful right out of the prayer book. And you've heard them. You know, you hear them in, you know, four weddings and a funeral. We've heard them over the years. They're in different things. So absolutely beautiful. And they sang the hymn.

I always forget the title. Oh, Jerusalem is the William Blake, you know, and did these feet in ancient times. walk upon England's mountains green so sacred so beautiful and um it it really wasn't it really was an anointed it was anointed service very very special in that way and i don't i don't say this kind of stuff too lately folks i've been a lot of weddings a lot of wonderful weddings this was there was a spareness to it that a simplicity a clarity it was beautiful and calvin robinson's homily was one for the ages it was absolutely glorious. So anyway, I mentioned I bumped in to Naomi Wolf and her husband, Brian, love them,

finally got Naomi to laugh because she could be a little serious. I don't know if you noticed, but I kind of, I kind of, I teased her enough that she finally realized, oh, I guess I have to laugh because Eric's not going to stop. Andy Noe was there, you know, the journalist who has been attacked by Antifa. He was there. Phelam McAleer and Anne McEnney, who've been on this show many times, journalists, heroes, they were there. And Phelam, who's an Irish reprobate, he cannot stop teasing and joking. He was coming at me saying that he left his hat in our studio

and he still hasn't gotten it back. And so we need to go back to the TBN studio, retrieve his hat and get it back to him. I guess maybe I thought it was Albin's hat. Yeah, I don't know. I think you should tell him that we put it for him at the end of the rainbow. And so the next time, you know, he needs his hat.

You and your leprickon friends. Exactly. Go to the end of the rainbow to fetch your hat back. You and your leprick with your buckle chune. That's right. Yeah. Be gone with, you know. All right.

In my mind, I was hoping that the cake maker at this wedding was, in fact, Mr. Bean. But I feel like that probably didn't happen. It was close. Okay. When we come back, I want to tell you more about the wedding. I want to tell you about a miracle that happened to me, a miracle. and lots more current events. We'll be right back.

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Suzanne and I were in London for the wedding that I've been describing. And, you know, we never seem to have time because I'm either doing this or doing that or traveling and speaking. And So we had a little time in London, which where I was planning to work on my book on the Revolution. And then we realized, no, that's insane. We're in London. We should take a little time as a couple. And so we did a little shopping. We never get to do this kind of stuff.

So that was a real blessing. And one day, you know, we missed, I think the day that we left New York. was the pride parade in New York. So I was like, thank the Lord, we've missed that. But of course, last Sunday, a few days ago, in London, they had their pride parade. And so I don't need to tell you that I'm not a big fan of the pride parades. Not that there's anything wrong with parades, but not a fan, ladies and gentlemen, in case you were wondering, not a fan. So whatever the parade was, whether it was vile or just a happy parade, you know, it was in the way.

We wanted to take a walk to the National Portrait Gallery. And so we thought, you know, we'll walk and walk and walk. But we kept bumping into the parade. So we kept having to change our route, you know, kind of like when you're on ways or on Google Maps and it changes, you know, rerouting. We had to kind of keep rerouting to go in a way so that we could actually get where we were going. So we didn't know where we're going. And when does that ever happen that? You're just kind of wandering through a city.

But we're wandering through a city and we wander down a street. It's named Craven Street. But it's so English. There's so much, this is why we love England, Craven Street. But we didn't even know the name of the street. We're just walking down this street to avoid the parade to get where we're going. And suddenly I look up and I see Ben Franklin House. And I thought, wait a minute.

Eric, you idiot. I'm doing research for my book on the American Revolution. I'm writing the book, doing research. I'm reading like crazy. And part of what I think I may have said on this program at some point, one of the amazing things is when you realize that Ben Franklin, you think of him as the quintessential American, Boston, Philadelphia, he lived 18 years, 18 years in London.

And I thought, you know, probably a month ago, oh, you know, if I ever get to London someday, I should, you know, visit, you know, if there's any site or what I didn't even know. Is there a site? Probably not. But, you know, kind of on the back of my head. Of course, I'm not a big planner, so I forgot all about it. So Suzanne and I are just walking randomly through London to try to avoid the horrible parade to get to the National Portrait Gallery. And we end up walking down some obscure street. And boom, there's the sign. Ben Franklin House. And I just about fainted. I said, Suzanne, this is insane. This is insane. Like, we should have planned to come here, but of course it wasn't anywhere in my radar. And by God's grace,

we just happened to walk down some obscure street, which just happens to be, boom, Ben Franklin House. Now, what are the odds that it's open? Yeah, because he don't plan. So anyway, we go to the door. Oh, it's open. But then you have to read a little thing. they only let people in on the hour for these special tours.

I look at my watch. It's like three minutes before the hour. We knock on the door, the guy opens the door. Yes, we're ready to start our tour. Come on in. It was insane. It was insane. Now, this is the kind of thing where I think you can't prove that it's a miracle.

Because if you read my miracle book, there's nothing in the miracle book that I would say is sort of a miracle. Like sometimes miracles are clearly miracles. So this, to me, is clearly a miracle, but I wouldn't expect people to accept that. So I wouldn't put it in my book as a miracle because most say, Eric, it's coincidence. You're walking in London, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

But I kind of received it as a miracle because I thought if I'm writing a book on the Revolution, I want to visit all the places that I can possibly visit in preparation for writing it so I can understand it better. and here I am in London, and here I am, boom, the one place in London. I mean, is there anything else in London that you'd want to see with regard to the American Revolution? Not really.

Like, this is about it. So here we are. We go in. The place was built in 1732 or 1733. So it's a townhouse on a row house, basically. And it's virtually unchanged. And that's what's really shocking. It's virtually unchanged.

And so we got the tour of Ben Franklin's house in London. And it's really wild because I put it on it. If you follow me on Instagram, you've already seen him maybe. But it was it was just shocking to me that we got to be there and got to see it. And that was. Isn't it true by the time he came back to America, they didn't really trust him because he had spent so long in London, correct? Well, no, no, actually, not really. Basically, Okay. Franklin's own evolution is very interesting because he had a real love for England.

And he goes over there and he kind of sees himself in a way as an Englishman because he is, right? I mean, anybody in the colonies, you're, you know, you're English. And he goes over there initially on behalf of Pennsylvania. to argue to try to get Parliament to legislate on behalf of Pennsylvania against William Penn's descendants. William Penn's descendants basically, they had like an infinite amount of land and paid no taxes. And so he was there for that. And when the Stamp Act happens in 1765, he testifies in Parliament against the Stamp Act. And, you know, all this, all this stuff.

he's still there in 1774. Yeah, crazy. And the whole thing is crazy. I mean, his wife is in Philadelphia, so he's not around her for the better part of 18 years. A little weird, right? He was with his son a lot of the time. But I guess my point is, in 1774,

I should have these dates in my head. I don't have it exactly. but sometime in 1774, there was the controversy that was brewing that begins with the Stamp Act in 1765. It really whipsawes back and forth, back and forth because they, Congress overreach, sorry, Parliament overreaches. They pass the Stamp Act to tax the colonists, the colonists freak out. The Parliament finally realizes this is not going to go well. We're going to lose money because the American colonists really fought back hard in terms of, boycotting British goods. It was really amazing. So they repeal the stamp act. Everybody's

happy again. But then they, they enact something called the Townshend, Townsend acts, which are even worse. And it just goes back and forth and back and forth. And basically, King George III was a fool. I mean, it's kind of like Pope Leo who lost, you know, who pushed Luther to break from the church. It's the same kind of thing. It was the most unforced error in history. And so at some point, there's a controversy where Franklin got his hand on some letters that seemed to show that Thomas Hutchinson, who was, I guess,

Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, that he had been advocating stern measures against the Massachusetts colonists. And so Franklin is shocked by this. He sends the letters to somebody. his hands on them. It kind of goes public and everybody gets all upset. He takes credit. He says, yes, I'm guilty. I did this. And there's a moment where he's humiliated publicly in an hour long harangue. There's a guy named Wedderburn. Anyway, I'm going to write about this in the book. Obviously, it's famous. If you know it, you know it. But that so poisons him against England.

It's kind of like, okay, that's it. So a couple months later, he comes. comes back to America and he is firmly on the side of independence, which was a big deal for Benjamin Franklin because he so loved England and he had this dream of the colonies being a wonderful part of the British Empire forever. And so it was very hard for him. But they really alienated him and humiliated him so that, you know, he was firmly on the side of independence. And anyway, he comes back. But it's all so fascinating. He lives 18 years in London. And then of course, he goes in, I don't know what year it was, I think it was 1776 or 77.

He goes to Paris and he lives nine years in Paris. So here you have the guy of quintessential American who lives 27 years in Europe. Anyway, I'm writing about it. I'm researching it. But to go to the Ben Franklin House in London

was just absolutely unbelievable. It was not planned. Suzanne and I just ended there. What did Suzanne say when when was she as astounded as you were? Oh, with no doubt. Both of us. We were, we couldn't believe it. We said, what are the odds that we would just happen to be walking randomly through London and boom, bump into the Ben Franklin

House? I mean, you could walk all over London for, you know, months and never come near this place. So it was absolutely astonishing and thrilling. And, you know, you talk about redeeming the day, like, what could we have possibly done with the day better? Nothing. That was like if we'd planned it, but the Lord planned it. All right. When we come back to talking about the news of the day. Don't go away. Welcome back, folks. This is the Eric Mattaxas show.

It's Tuesday, the 8th of July. I don't know how that happened. How did July sneak up on us? But I've been away, as I keep saying, in London with Suzanne for a wedding. And the news of what happened in Texas at Camp Mystic, this flood, I mean, I think there are times when you have to say, we have no. words. What is there to say? It's kind of like hearing about the Holocaust. You got anything to say? Not much. You just want to weep. You just want to weep. But it kind of makes me think of

every time something tragic would happen, you know, the tsunami in Thailand, was it Thailand, anytime there's some horrible tragedy, there's a time for people who are not Christians to ask the kind of stupid but important question, where was God and all this, you know? And what do you say? I remember Larry King practically made a career of this. He'd have on Franklin Graham or something,

and he would say, you know, where is God? and, you know, it's a good question, but it's a dumb question because you want to say, well, where was God, you know, when Eve took the apple? Where was God when six million Jews are murdered by the Nazis? Where's God? God is where God always is. He's with us. And yet, it's painful to think about.

One of the greatest tragedies that ever happened in New York was a ferry boat filled with young people from Sunday school. I don't know if this was 1903. It was around then. And I think a thousand people burned in this horrible fire on a boat, drowned, burned, like just like this. So horrible. And if you want evidence against God, this is the kind of thing. You go, well, look at that.

You know, these people are serving God. They're at a Christian camp. And, you know, it is absolutely undeniably heartbreaking. But if you know and love God, you look at it a little differently. because if you know God and love God, you know that when you die, you don't die. Now, God wants us to know that, but he can't force us to know that. But if you really know that, then death, where is thy sting, means something. You know, the whole arc of scripture is that we are loved by a God who enters into our suffering.

If he was to stop every bad thing that could happen, then life as we, we know it doesn't even exist, then there's no such thing as love. So there is a sense that he draws very near to the, to the shattered, the brokenhearted. And, you know, I'll say this on my own. These are not the views of the Eric Metaxa show. But they have just absolute proof that they were doing a lot of cloud seating in this area and that this wasn't just. just a once in a hundred year flood. This was something that perhaps was manipulated a bit. And when you enter that into the equation, well, where's God when we are the ones

messing with the planet like that? I've not heard that. Oh, yeah. And I'm shocked actually now to hear this. Cloud seeding. So who's doing this? Bill Gates, who's funding this kind of stuff? Yeah, you know, this is the problem with all this stuff.

But, you know, yeah, it's quite a topic. And if you look into it, it's pretty easy to find. And the government has admitted it. You know, geoengineering, that's a level that you've got to do a lot more digging. But cloud seeding is actually quite common. And they have said they do it in that area because they had such severe droughts. The Guadalupe River was dry not long ago, bone dry. And so you start thinking, well, are we causing?

this stuff, it's hard to think. Wow. I have not, I have not heard that until now. That's something I guess we need to look into further. That's really shocking. And I think some lunatics were blaming Donald Trump on some level. I don't know. Because of the, because of the, the Noah, the oceanic, atmospheric, you know, that was funded, I think, between the big beautiful bill and maybe the doge, the doge cuts, probably specifically. They said that there wasn't enough staff, which actually wasn't true, because they actually overdubled the staff because they knew this storm was coming. So that this whole idea, CNN particularly...

Well, look, anytime anybody blames Trump, I think we could pretty much safely say... It's exactly right. He had nothing to do with it. So there are many things that I've been commenting on on Twitter or X, as we now call it. one of them, we have to talk about Elon Musk. I, the thing that I always say,

which Keith, Keith knows me well enough for 30 plus years, I say, I just want to smack Elon in the head. Like, like he's a stupid son, like,

you know, your teenage son that needs a smack. Like, for, you cannot imagine that he could be so foolish as he has been. It's just amazing to me that he doesn't, he's such a genius who is nonetheless very foolish in so many ways. And so I wrote on X, I posted, I said, we're now seeing Elon Musk's character.

He's brilliant, but he's also childish and willful and therefore dangerous and destructive. And then I say, Benedict Arnold was one of the greatest heroes of the revolution, brilliant, amazing, until he decided he wasn't getting his way or the recognition he deserved, and then he does something that you cannot believe. Now, I'm not saying that Elon Musk is Benedict Donald, but the concept of character, that it doesn't matter how brilliant you are. What is your character? Will you do the right thing when it's easy to do the wrong thing?

So for him to talk about announcing the creation of the America Party and on and on and on, It's so dumb. We'll be discussing it probably for weeks on this program. In the meantime, we'll be right back. Hey, get rhythm. When you get the blues, come on, get rhythm. When you get the blues, get a rock and roll feeling in your bones, but taps on your toes and get gone.

Welcome back, folks. We're kind of doing an update here. We'll have John Searach on soon. But we're just talking about Elon Musk, and I was saying that he's announced the creation of the America Party. And what I find hilarious, honestly, well, first of all, people said, where should he make the announcement or whatever? You know, what's the place that he should, he was asking, when and where should we hold the inaugural American Party Congress? And my answer was Cape Town, South Africa.

And then quoting Dave Chappelle using a word that I can't use on the air, air. but the other, my other vote for where he should hold it is Mars, and it starts with a B. Yeah. So that's my answer to Elon. Elon is a heartbreaker because I really like him. And so to see him behaving this way, the other thing that is kind of crazy, he talks about a third party. Guess what? Maga is the third party. That's the whole point.

You want to use your money and your brains, get rid of the rhinos in Congress that Donald Trump has to deal with in passing things like the big beautiful bill, which would have been really, really beautiful if he didn't have to get it past stupid rhinos. So this idea that, you know, we need a third party. We have a third party. But I wanted to say, you know, sometimes you just got to read the tea leaves. And I thought, if there were anything good about this third party, you kind of who would it attract? It would attract people that we love. Instead, it attracts people that are known for one thing, being jealous of Donald Trump and hating Donald Trump. At the top of the list, the jughead of jugheads, Mark Cuban, he's just a bitter jealous. He's just bitterly jealous

of Donald Trump. He has no ideas. You could say the same thing about Arnold Schwarzenegger. You could definitely say the same thing about Anthony Scaramucci, who is awful. awful, incredibly awful. So who's thrown their name in? Mark Cuban, Anthony Scaramucci. As a joke, I put it in there. I said, what about Scaramucci as a joke? And, of course, he has that he's interested in this.

So what links these people a bitterness toward Donald Trump, a jealousy toward Donald Trump? So Scaramucci, Mark Cuban, you know, and then, of course, Mike Pence is interested. Oh, yeah. Mike Pence. How exciting. What about George W. Bush? What about Jeb? Let's get, let's all get together. Maybe Mitt Romney can jump in and we can, we can, it's just so pathetic. It's like, it's like the America Party is the asylum for TDS sufferers. That's what it is. That's what it is. And I, and I keep thinking more of Elon Musk that he, that he would be better than that. So it's not, you know, what about the report? court that came out that in 1970, autism was fewer than one in 10,000

children. Today, it's one in every 31. So, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. posted that. We're really getting to the bottom of some stuff. There's some people that are so impatient. They're like, why haven't we had arrest? Why isn't Fauci in jail? Why is it? It's like,

look, it's kind of like telling Elon Musk, excuse me, sir, but politics doesn't work that way. This is not, you know, a military coup in the Congo. This is America, and we have to follow a process. So if you want to say they're slow walking it

or whatever, maybe, but I would like to think that RFK Jr. wants to get truth on all this kind of stuff. And again, if somebody can show me, you know, maybe he's, he doesn't care as much as we do. But I think that good things are happening everywhere.

I did a poll on Twitter. If an election were held tomorrow, I'd vote for the following party. And I put GOP MAGA, Democrat, American. So the final results are in. GOP MAGA, 86.2%. Democrat, 1.2%. American Party, 12.6%.

So that's just enough to ruin things for Donald Trump, if, you know, whatever. In other news, I was on the plane flying home yesterday, and somebody sent me, I think, Chris, you were in the loop about the Episcopal Church, the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, whatever that means, put out this big statement on July 4th, basically saying that the Episcopal Church, they need to be brave like Bonhoeffer in standing against Hitler, and they need to be brave in a similar way in standing against Donald Trump. Unbelievable. And I just, I really, really, sometimes people are so awful and pathetic that you can't believe it. I was reading this statement. I thought, what do you expect from the Episcopal Church?

I mean, the presiding, how do you get to be presiding bishop of Episcopal Church? It's not by being like a godly man who has common sense and, and wisdom. No. So what has the Episcopal Church been doing since forever? losing members. Well, losing members for sure. That's the point, right? They're irrelevant.

They've become more relevant, so they're grasping at relevance. But they have gone with the zeitgeist, the spirit of the age, the exact opposite of Dietrich Bonhofer. When slavery was an issue, they were not interested in bucking the status quo. When William Wilberforce was trying to abolish the slave trade in the British Empire, the Church of England, okay, the Episcopal Church, these American army, the Church of England. The Church of England owned slavery sugar plantations in the West Indies. They were making big money off of that wickedness. They looked the other way. They always look the other way. They always go with what are the people at the country club say? In other words, they couldn't care less what the prophetic voice of God is saying, couldn't care less,

always on the wrong side of the issue. Here they are again. We've got actual problems. What are they worried about? You know, the trans community is being discriminated. against because of big bad Donald Trump. Violent criminals are being deported because of big bad. This is what they compare, they dare to compare themselves to Dietrich Bonhofer, who actually gave his life for what he believed in. Let's be clear, the Episcopal Church, the leadership, they don't even know what they believe in.

They don't even believe, ladies and gentlemen, in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. They believe in nothing. And they dare, pathetically, hilariously, tragically. tragically, sickeningly, preposterously to compare themselves to Dietrich Bonhofer. I mean, wow. So I posted it on X. If you want to read my full statement, it's on X. Maybe I can read it actually when we come back.

But the Christian Post wrote an article about it. But I'll just, I'll read it when we come back. We've got John Smirak coming up. Hide the children. He's going to say some tough stuff, folks. He's going to say some tough stuff. when we come back. Don't go away. Welcome back, folks.

Before we get to John Zamirak, that's his real name. I'm going to read my statement on X. Now, this was the Episcopal News Service, Ike, published this article that the presiding bishop pompously said that. And he posted it on July 4th because they want to be, if there's an opportunity to be a bummer, they're looking hard. They're looking hard to be a bummer. Like patriotism. Oh, that's just like worshipping Adolf Hitler. We don't want to be patriotic.

We don't want to love our country. So on July 4th, he puts out this ultra bummer of a statement basically saying we need to be the resistance, whatever. So this is my response on Twitter. Here it is. Action. The Episcopal Church's presiding bishop recently made a shocking statement in which he dares to liken his church's uber trendy resistance to Trump to Bonhofer's heroic resistance to Adolf Hitler. Of course, this pathetic plea for relevance only serves to remind us of the Episcopal Church's

decades-long slide into an abyss of permanent irrelevance. While the silly statement will provoke some hoarse laughs, it is also genuinely offensive to those actual Christians who risk their lives for the truth, as Bonhoeffer obviously did, and as many around the world do today. Meanwhile, the Episcopal Church simply postures and poses and vogue desperately hoping the New York Times might notice. Just as the Episcopal Church said, not a word against slavery when that was the political issue and nothing against the vile anti-Semitism in the 1930s when that was the cultural issue. They now say not a word about the actual problems which they should address and which President Trump is attempting to address politically,

but they instead choose to live in the self-aggrandizing fantasy that they are modern-day Bonhoeffers. Bonhofer knew what he believed and forfeited his life for those beliefs. But the Episcopal Church of America doesn't have any idea what they believe and aren't even silent about and are even silent about basic historical Christian beliefs such as the bodily resurrection of Jesus. They are clouds without water and simply follow the zeitgeist as they have always done and for which they should be ashamed. May God forgive them. So that's my statement. I mean, it's, but it is amazing. The irrelevance of the mainline Protestant churches, it's unbelievable. I mean, coming home yesterday in TaxiCab, we passed this Lutheran church

on Park Avenue. I thought, does anybody go there? This big beautiful church that, you know, maybe in 1940, there was a robust congregation there. Was the gospel being preached there even then? I don't know. But now it really is kind of amazing and the irrelevance of the Episcopal Church. Now, there are Episcopal believers. And Keith Junta, you and I were among them. St. Paul's Darien was a great Episcopal Church in the 70s and 80s and 90s. There are places, of course, that are that are solid. I mean, I know there's a place in Dallas or some of my friends go, but by and large, the Episcopal Church has become dramatically irrelevant and pathetic, and they have no clue

what they believe in. They certainly aren't speaking up against anti-Semitism or for Israel. They're just political lefties. They've always been that. They were, you know, they were whatever the New York Times says, there for that. I guarantee you that in the 1930s, when Walter What's his name was in Moscow, or propping up Stalin, who's murdering millions of Ukrainians and gets a Pulitzer Prize for it, I guarantee you there was no episcopal descent among the Episcopalians in New York City,

that they're like, what the New York Times says that that's good enough for us, because that's their holy scripture. So that's just unbelievable. So I had to talk about that, but especially because they mentioned Bonhofer, I thought, excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, he was willing to die for what he believed in. You're not even willing to lose your country club membership. And you're not. And let's be honest about it.

Let's be honest about it. You're posturing and posing and it's pathetic. And what about the truth? This is over deportations. I mean, look, it's any trendy thing they can grab on. Deportations, whatever. It's political theater. Biden and Obama have, you know, deported more than Trump has in the same term.

So it's ridiculous. Okay, we're at a time in this segment when we come back. Big Bad John is me right.