The Eric Metaxas Show - Eric Metaxas reflects on his time at the Charlie Kirk memorial (Encore)

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Eric was in Arizona at the Charlie Kirk memorial this past weekend. He speaks about the experience and reflects on Charlie Kirk

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Eric Mattaxas! The following is an encore for. presentation of the Eric Mattaxas show. Well, Chris Heimes, Keith Junta, we've been through it here. Yesterday, I flew home from Phoenix, Arizona, where I was at the Charlie Kirk Memorial at whatever stadium that is. I want to talk about that. There's so much to say.

So many people that I met and connected with. I put some of that up on my Instagram, but not all of it. Glenn Beck hugged me and I got choked up. I tell you, he has this like anointing of emotion. It's so amazing. He's just, uh, anyway. Well, um, all right. So as I said, it's the 23rd of September, 2025 Tuesday.

And the headline is that what happened on Sunday in Phoenix was, how do we put this it was it was historic right everything's amazing everything's awesome and everything's not awesome and awesome is kind of a crappy word but

what we saw was genuinely historic epical E-P-O-C-H-A-L, epical. I think we are likely to see things going forward as before and after the murder of Charlie Kirk. I think that, you know, when you get to like you have, you're 30, you cannot. But I can see looking back, you know, you say, oh, there's 9-11.

there's the murder of JFK. There are these moments in our history. There's Watergate. What just happened, I would argue, is bigger than any of those things, bigger than any of those things that I just mentioned. I think, you know, if you talk about the Christian witness, I mean, the big headline for me is the Christian witness at this memorial event, the other day.

And Chris and Keith, if I'm missing something, help me here. But I can't think of anything that compares to it. Absolutely nothing. I remember when 9-11 happened, there was this, I don't know, some days later at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C., Billy Graham spoke. It was kind of his last big sermon ever. And he talked about, you know, we can all go into eternity tomorrow and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that was nothing compared to what happened two days ago in the Phoenix Stadium.

That was really small compared to what happened the other day. And by the way, the effects of the Billy Graham thing, like we in 10 seconds went back to whatever secular. mindset we had. It was like a gasp. I don't know what happened, but that's 20, you know, almost 25 years ago, which is insane to comprehend that it could be that long ago. But that was nothing compared to what happened the other day. So to me, that's the headline. And then the headline of the headline is when Erica Kirk said that she forgives the man who murder her husband. Ladies and gentlemen, if you want to know, like, I wonder if this Christian stuff is real.

It doesn't get more real than that. You can't, you know, Jackie Kennedy didn't say, I forgive the man who murdered my husband. Okay. Ethel Kennedy didn't say, I forgive the man who murdered my husband. I'm pretty sure Coretta Scott King, the wife of a minister, a daughter of a minister, or she did not say, I forgive the man who murdered my husband. That's next level. And by the way, let me just throw in that all of those husbands were adulterers.

They were not, in some ways, they were very great men. And in other ways, they were very broken men. They were not walking with Jesus, the way Charlie walked with Jesus. This is very, very different. This was somebody who is, you know, close to being a, living saint, if not he was a saint. I mean, he was a profoundly godly man whom I knew personally, and I can attest that that's what he wanted more than anything else for his life, is to honor God. And all he did reflected that. So that man was murdered. And 11 days later,

his widow says, I forgive the man who murdered my husband. There is nothing clearer than that. That's as clear as you saw for X in algebra. Like, Let's solve for X. Let's like, let's try to get as much clarity as we can. That is evidence of the God of the Bible, the one who forgives those who murdered him. Father, forgive them. They know not what they do. Now, you know, you get some religious people on X saying to me, well, you know, unless they repented, there's no forget.

It's like, excuse me, do you like, do you read, you ever read the gospels? Jesus said, forgive them, Father. Jesus said, forgive them, Father, they know not what they did it. They didn't beg for repentance and say, we're sorry. So you have a theological problem there, right? We are called to forgive. Now, we're not called to like free the murderer any more than when Pope John Paul the second was almost killed.

And then he went and he prayed with the man who tried to kill him. But he didn't say, okay, let him out, you know. So there's justice and there's our life. laws, but then there's what God calls us to do individually. When Erica Kirk did that, I thought that's like dropping a hand grenade into the bowels of hell. That is the power of God, the forgiving power of God that makes the demons rithe in agony, because that is the one thing they can't stand.

That's the love of Jesus Christ manifested, the agape love, the selfless love of God, for his enemies, for those who would murder him. That's so powerful. And I thought to myself, as great as everything was, and I couldn't even believe how great it was, and we're going to be talking about it. But that was to me the culmination that this woman proves her faith and the faith of her husband by saying the thing that without Jesus is utterly unthinkable.

Again, I think that that blows the minds of millions of people. They're like, what? I don't get that. And you're right not to get it. And I don't even think President Trump got it. You're right not to get it. It doesn't make human sense. Apart from the Holy Spirit, it is just a conundrum.

How can, what do you mean? How can you say that? That's the question. How can you say that? But if you care how somebody can say that and you ask God to help you understand it, you will find the truth, the gift at the end of the rainbow that God has prepared for every one of us, the meaning of life. is the meaning of life, if you can understand that. So that to me was so powerful. And I think that

the murder of Charlie has unleashed revival in America. This is God's plan. This is not our plan. None of us would say, oh, hey, yeah, we vote for that. I see that. Nope. But God saw it. We have had people prophetically talking about a billion soul harvest. And you go, well, all right, Lord, whatever you think. Is that you, Lord? Well, that to me, this feels like that. This feels like this unthinkable thing that just happened, the murder of this glorious young man,

this wonderful, deeply good young man, is the martyr's death that is Satan's worst nightmare. And we're going to see revival and healing and restoration and beautiful things. When we come back, we'll give you all the details of the event. Stay tuned. You can find me at Eric Mataxis.com. My Pillow is excited to announce they're having their biggest three-and-one sale ever with a limited edition product, a back-in-stock special, and a close-out deal.

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Well, my daddy left home when I was three and it didn't leave much. Tomorrow and me, just this old guitar and an empty bottle of boo. Folks, welcome back. My guest in our two is Megan Basham, a true hero of our time. We love Megan Basham. What an amazing woman she is. So she's coming up an hour two. We're talking about the murder of Charlie Kirk and the outrageous event two days ago in Phoenix.

Getting there was predictably miserable. I have to say, you know, like if there's crowds involved, I'm out. Like, I'm not a crowd guy. it's just unbearable to me waiting in lines, shuttle buses, like whatever's involved, the hell of parking and stuff, I'm out. I was never in on that stuff. But the older I get, the more like, I'll skip that and I'll watch it on TV. But I felt called to go.

It was extremely inconvenient for me. I'm working on a book. I need every moment to work on the book. But sometimes God just says, I need you to do this. and I believe that's what happened. And even before that, last week, Chris Himes, you just mentioned off the air here, but my friend, Pastor Alan Jackson of World Outreach Church in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, contacted me. And he said, we have a Christianity and Culture Conference coming up.

That was this past Friday and Saturday. And the keynote speaker on Friday night was Charlie. So obviously he can't do it. it, Eric, could you do it? So, yes, obviously, I did. We had a really busy week last week. We had a number of important dinners. We had Socrates events last week that we're doing. We had a Socrates Patrons Dinner in New York City. We've got a patrons dinner coming up in Dallas this week. But, yeah, I flew down in Nashville and spoke at Pastor Alan Jackson's church on Friday. and then the next day flew to Phoenix.

And the blessing of all of this, one of the blessings of all this, is connecting with friends, connecting with people who loved Charlie and just seeing each other and trying to process this moment together. And I have a sense of hope, as hopeful as I was before. And I have been very public about this, that I believe, Dutch Sheets said that the Lord told him, I will save America. This is God's will for this season. And that is, we see that in the miraculous deliverance of Donald Trump from death, July 13th, over a year ago. A year ago, we see, we've seen, I think, evidence that God says, I will have this country.

I will save America from itself, from the woke death spiral in which it found itself. And we could see that with the re-election of Trump and with the way he has been acting since he was inaugurated, just staggering accomplishments. And the left has never been more unhinged. They cannot, this is their worst nightmare. But as much of a nightmare as it has been for them, a far worse nightmare is the murder of Charlie Kirk and the response to the murder of Charlie Kirk, culminating, of course, in Sunday's event in Phoenix, which I was privileged to attend. And I don't even know where you begin. I guess, again, for me, the headline, apart from what I already said, this was the most public and powerful witness of the Christian faith. possibly, and I'm open to being corrected, but I would say possibly in American history. I cannot think of anything that can compare to this.

I don't know. I wasn't around when Lincoln was killed, but I cannot imagine that the, let's let's just cover this, the basics. What am I talking about? you get all these kind of like secular liberal jugheads talking about separation of church and state and bit of that intimidating even those Christians in public life from not being too vocal about it because that violates something of course it violates absolutely nothing and if you're foolish enough to believe the lie and you silence yourself as so many have done you know George W. Bush and others they act like well it's not it's so stupid it's just sickening but the point is we have seen we saw the other day and i know i'm going to miss people but ladies and gentlemen the vice president of the united states the secretary of state marco rubio the secretary of defense now the secretary of war pete hegesat down the line r fk junior the head of health and human services every one of them and many

many, many, many others saying the most profoundly, boldly Christian things, declaring the truth of the Christian faith. Unbelievable. Now, again, there are people that are ignorant enough not to understand that that is permissible, at least permissible. They really, they have such a poor understanding of our founding documents and our laws, that they go along with the lie that somehow people in public life aren't supposed to talk about faith. That's complete baloney, folks.

And again, if you don't know what you're talking about, always feel free to shut up. But there are people who, no, they'll just talk like they don't really care. And I'm just here to tell you that if you talk, if you think that this concept of the separation of church and state means we're supposed to have a naked public square, a secular public square. That is a complete lie on many levels. And a robust expression of Christian faith is not only consonant with who we are as a people in our founding documents, but it is, it's, it's suggested. It's strongly suggested. So, but to see that on display in a way that we have not, because many of our public leaders have bought this lie and they've silenced themselves until now, until now. And we now have no fear.

I mean, Pete Hegseth, you know, speaking incredibly boldly about his faith. Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State. I mean, on and on and on, it was so astonishing to me. I really still can't think, I can't think of anything that compares to it. I cannot think of anything that compares to it. And I don't know, Chris and Keith, if you have any thoughts, but I cannot think of anything. We've never seen anything like it.

Specific to that point, I saw an ex post from a Christian Brit in England, and he said it so well. He said, you have to realize we Christians here in England would wait once a year to hear Queen Elizabeth give a half a sentence nod to her faith. In America, you just saw all of your most powerful leadership. get up one after another and not just give a nod to faith they preached the gospel they shared biblical principles they shared their personal faith and convictions he said america you have no idea what you have please stop complaining and never be quiet and he said you may have seen this

post he ended it with america truly is a light on a hill to the world he's like may you continue It was beautiful. Well, we're living that. We're seeing that. And again, the hilarity. I mean, first of all, Rob McCoy, who was Charlie's pastor, who's a friend of mine, he was like the first one up. And he, you know, gave this gospel presentation.

And when it was over, I was like, oh, what a bummer. Like, that's it, huh? And then I thought to myself, after him, everybody after him spoke as strongly or more strong about the faith than Pastor Rob McCoy, my friend. Like all these other people, the most hilarious moment for me is when Tulsi Gabbard, not a Christian, as far as I know, is quoting Corinthians, ladies and gentlemen. And then she goes beyond that. And she's talking about Charlie's faith and faith.

I thought, we have just entered a new world. I want to be clear, we have entered a new world. The boldness of all of these folks, and God bless every one of them for not shrinking from being bold. It was beautiful, one after the other, tremendous boldness. And Eric, can I ask you a question? You referenced your hug with Glenn Beck earlier. And on his program, and he's been in tears so much. But he said, he.

felt the whole he didn't say the presence he said i felt the holy spirit in that arena like i never have in my entire life and i leaned over to the person next to me and they said without prompting i feel the holy spirit in this place can you describe what it felt like spiritually to be in that in that place well look it's hard to say because you and i we experience the holy spirit all the time let's not pretend like what was that you know like we experienced that when you you go into a place where, where there's real worship or stuff. But I think for a lot of people,

maybe they don't. They don't know what that is. And so I, well, actually, when we come back, I'll tell you about my encounter with Glenn and Elon Musk was there. The whole thing. Oh, my gosh. We'll be right back.

Folks, welcome back. Today is the 23rd of September, Tuesday. I just got back last night from the, Charlie Kirk Memorial. I saw so many friends. It was such a blessing to be with so many friends. Jared Fleming, who works with us, and the Texas media was with me.

A brilliant young man who knows how to navigate Phoenix. He lives there. And to get us to the stadium, I can't even tell you. This is where you get these like God moments or you think this had to be the Lord, because we're driving and driving and driving. I cannot tell you, cars were backed up. It's like one of these things I just go, you know,

and theoretically, I have like some VIP access. Ha, right? Like I got some special VIP access, which is worth nothing when you're sitting in a line of cars that's like, you know, to the horizon. And we saw, Jared saw some friends of his. He's like, hey, you know, I don't know, somebody walking.

It's like, how you doing it? And they said, yeah, man, we just parked. So we were like, let's, let's just park. So we just parked in some lot and walked two miles to the stadium because it was just chaos. You're sitting in lines of traffic to get into a parking lot to get. So we just walked and walked and walked. And I mean, it felt like we were straggling back from the civil war just ended and we're marching back to Kentucky or something like that. Yeah, this had been China.

They would have had some VIP, you know, people moving. drones that, you know, picked you up like a claw machine and, you know, escorted you 10 feet above the masses to the front of the line. So, well, it's, it's so funny. But, I mean, we walked and walked and walked and walked. And then we get to the place where we were supposed to be able to park and we figure, well, just walk in there. We don't have a car now, but this is the way in.

And they're like, oh, no, no, no. If you don't have a car, you can't come in. Oh, my gosh. So, of course, somebody rolls down a window. Eric, the Flashpoint crew. some of them were driving in. They're like, you want to ride? Thank you.

We jump into the flashpoint car and they drive us in. It was like one of those things. But look, obviously the security was probably bigger than security anywhere on the planet because you have the president, the vice president and his whole cabinet and a tenant. We can't even imagine. I don't know. So, but it was, it was astonishing. I saw so many people that I knew that I,

I can't even remember half of them. I mean, I talked to so many friends, took pictures with friends. I was not in the, you know, the top VIP thing. That was, you know, for big givers for TPP USA and, you know, whatever. Elon Musk, Glenn Beck. I don't know what tears there were, but whatever there was that was closest stage, I was not there. But I was with all the pastors from TPSA Faith.

that's headed up, of course, by Lucas Miles. And so, but so many friends. But I went up to the edge of our section. And here comes Glenn Beck. And when he saw me, he just like embraced me. And of course, like we're both crying. You know, I was not crying until then. How do you describe all this stuff?

But Glenn just has a gift for feeling. He's always been that way. He's very emotional. He's got a huge heart. It was so beautiful. It was so beautiful. And Frank Turek, I didn't get to see Frank, but his presentation was, I mean, it was as powerful and clear as anything I've ever heard.

And we're going to get him on the program maybe next week because he was there when Charlie was killed. He was with Charlie in the car trying to. to get him to the hospital. Charlie was already dead. We'll let him tell that story if you haven't. But that was so powerful. I don't know.

Some people said they saw me on Fox News, I guess, when the crowd, when they scan the crowd, I didn't, I didn't know that. But yeah, I was there. I was wearing, I think I was the only person out of the 100,000 wearing very bright red pants. And that's not like a laundering error that turned my pants red. No, they're intentionally red. There was a dress code. There was a dress code. The theme was Sunday best, red, white, and blue. And so I wore very bright red, red, red, white, shirt, a red, white and blue tie, and my blue blazer, not the one I'm wearing now, but a reasonable facsimile. And, but you know what's so funny, too,

I got to mention this. So everything says Sunday best. Everything says where you're Sunday best. Part of where we are in America is that most of America dresses like slabs. They don't even know what Sunday. Sunday best is not even a category anymore. So I rebuked several young men for dressing like slabs. Sunday best.

I mean, even if they had tried to dress their Sunday best, it would have been crappy. But they would have gotten credit for me for trying. But some of them are kind of like, well, what do you mean? this t-shirt is not what do you mean so it's kind of interesting like as we go back to like what what i think i think the big theme here is that the lord wants to take us back to first principles right now there's to go forward we need to go back to who are we as a people what do we believe talking about marriage get married hey young man suck it up get a job get married have children like that's such a powerful beautiful message and it's as countercultural as it gets all

of us we've grown up with the sexual revolution, which is just polluted the culture. So to call us back to marriage and families as countercultural as it gets. And what goes along with that is how we dress. And again, I'm always half joking with this, but it's kind of an interesting thing because it does matter. Is it the most important thing? No, it's not the most important thing. But it's just interesting. We've lost the vocabulary of what do I wear to church. Church, I just wear my, you know, whatever, my flip fly. and my whatever, like, what, you know, what's wrong with that? Now, on some level, there's nothing wrong with that.

But just even talking about that is interesting. We'll be right back. We used to laugh. I used to cry. Used to bow. Welcome back. We're talking about the event in Phoenix the other day. And I was just talking, I was just laughing because it said Sunday best.

And just so many people like, they don't know. What do you mean? Yeah, I just have this shirt. I don't know. Like, they don't. Yeah. Does that include crock shoes or Teva sandals? Is that, can I?

Well, that's what's so funny is that we've lost. And again, I want to be clear, this is not the most important thing in the world, but everything does matter. And I think that just as much as, and listen, why do people dress like slabs? Because it is true that what you wear doesn't matter, right? Like on one level, it doesn't matter. Like, you know, you, the idea that I could get all dressed up and go to church and, like, worship the devil, you know, by doing nothing and by being a phony religious Christian who goes to

some nice big church and gets all dressed up. Like that God looks on the heart. That's true. So, you know, if you go to a church and you just wear whatever you wear, it's not about wearing a suit and tie, but it's kind of funny that even at a funeral, even at a memorial where it actually says Sunday best, it just doesn't compute for a lot of people. And I think, you know, I want to keep saying, like, that's not the most important thing, folks. believe me, I know it's not. But it's kind of interesting that I think thinking about that is healthy. Let's think about that.

How do we present ourselves? And what does that mean? Does it matter? Do we show respect by how we just? I mean, if you went to the White House, would you wear flip-flops? Why not? Why wouldn't you? Maybe Zelensky would, but he would be rebuked.

why do these things matter? Well, in some ways they do matter. And I think that as long as you know, it's not the most important thing, because there are people who die on this hill, they're idiots, right? They'll be like the most important thing is like, you know, you need to wear a three-piece suit, and obviously it's not. But these moments are opportunities in culture that, and we don't have a lot of these anymore.

And unfortunately, you know, you look back at some of the old footage in New York City and everybody has a suit on, and it's, And part of that I heard recently was because you didn't get treated well if you didn't dress well back in that era. But you don't today. I mean, listen, if I am dressed up and I show up someplace, don't ask me why, but people talk to you a little differently, unless they're communists, and then they know they really hate your guts if you're wearing a double-breasted blazer. But the point is that these things matter. And anyway, I don't mean to get off on this, but it was just kind of funny that the thing said, Sunday best and people are just like, I don't know what, I don't know what,

maybe they didn't read it or they don't. Well, for a lot of people, Sunday. They don't understand the word Sunday or best. For a lot of people, Sunday is game day. So, you know, that's your team shirt. That's my Sunday best. You know what I mean? Yeah.

People wearing their, uh, their favorite NFL, uh, t-shirt logo. Yeah, but I mean, I, so I think part of the reason I'm really bringing this up is that where at a moment, there's a great reversal. happening. I remember Ken Fish said to me over dinner some months ago, our friend Ken Fish said, we need to repeal the sexual revolution. And I thought, wow, yeah, of course. I mean, sexual revolution has led to infinite pain and degradation in the culture where women are lost, men are lost, everybody's lost, we don't have intact families, we have generations of divorce and brokenness and whatever. And that comes from the sexual revolution, which was a repudity.

of God's order, which God says to most of us, not to everybody, but to most of us, get married. Amen. Be a man. Grow up. Be a man. Support your family. Self-sacrificially. Suck it up for your family.

Sacrifice for your wife. Sacrifice for your kids as unto the Lord. That's what God says to most of us. And listen, we all get it wrong in different ways. But we're at a moment now. where one of the most powerful countercultural messages that has come out of the murder of Charlie is that everybody's hearing his message, get married, have a family, have more kids than you can afford. That is the most countercultural message. And I think many young men and increasingly more young women now with Erica Kirk stepping up are going to hear this message and go, you know what?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I've seen the brokenness. I've seen where that, how that plays out, doesn't look so great. So it was so powerful. But I guess I want to get back to, you know, I was sitting there in my sort of VIP section, just able to see a lot.

And I see Elon Musk walk in a couple times. He kind of walked in. And he's a character. I've never seen him in person before. And the way he walks, you can see he's on the spectrum. Like he's so smart that he's kind of like moving funny and whatever. And the richest man, the planet has ever known. And he was there.

And he heard the most powerful witness to Jesus that any of us has ever heard. He was there. He heard all that. President Trump heard that. Jared Kushner heard that. Everybody was there. Heard over and over. It's not like, oh, I was in the bathroom.

What did they say? I was in the bathroom. I missed like Tucker. I missed Susie Wiles. Well, guess what? Everybody was talking about Jesus. You could not miss it. And by the way, it wasn't like Nambi Pambi sort of Jesus.

It was powerful. And again, the culmination when when Erica Kirk says that my husband's whole life was saving these lost young men from a life of meaninglessness and whatever. And she says all this. And she says, the man who murdered my husband. was one of those men. And I forgive him. Ladies and gentlemen,

that's as powerful as it gets. That is the stake in the heart of Satan. That is so powerful that if you were in that building, I mean, for Elon Musk to hear that, what was he thinking? He's a really decent man. He's a good man. And he went up to President Trump.

I mean, to see the two of them together, I'm going to get choked up because I think many of us love the both of them and, you know, stuff happens. But that was, there is a level of healing going on that I don't even think we can comprehend. There's a level of healing going on. And I am so hopeful for what's going to happen in this country that, I really believe that we are, you know, you hear people talk about revival, revival, revival, and you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, where, where, show me. Well, now I think God is showing us. Here it is.

I think we're also going to see miraculous stuff, people getting miraculously healed. I think we're going to see this stuff. We're in a new era. It's beautiful. We'll be right back. Folks, welcome back in hour two. We're going to have Megan Basham coming on. We have a lot of great guests this week.

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but very similar to what Charlie was doing. It's an open forum to say, let's dare to explore or the big questions together, you know, with no pressure. This is not like we're selling anything. It's just like we believe that if we do this in a civilized way, people are hungry for truth and people come up to me. I think I said this that when I was in Washington, D.C., like a week ago, a young woman comes up to me with her young husband, and she says, we met at a T.P. USA thing. We're both conservatives, but my husband was not a Christian.

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But this is for a good cause, folks. We're getting these videos out to more and more and more people. So that's Socrates and city.com. You can watch the videos of this program on my YouTube channel, which is Eric Metaxus, on YouTube. A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff. You can watch the Socrates videos at our YouTube channel, Socratesandcity.com. And if you want to support the program, go to MyPillow.com. Anything you buy, use the code Eric.

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