The Eric Metaxas Show - Eric Reflects on Charlie Kirk's Legacy and Where We Go From This Moment

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Eric reflects on Charlie Kirk's legacy and where we go from this moment.

Welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show. We'll get you from point A to point B. But if you're looking for point C, well, buddy, you're on your own. But if you'll wait right here in just about two minutes, the bus to point C will be coming right by. And now here's your Ralph Cramden of the airways, Eric Mattaxas. Hey there, folks. Praise the Lord.

We praise the Lord in all circumstances. If you're not a Christian, if that sounds foreign to you, don't worry about it. You can praise the Lord anyway. All that is good in the universe, all that is beautiful and true, just think about that. I mean, if you don't call that Jesus or God, that's okay. If you just think about what is good and innocent and beautiful and true, and what a wonderful concept that is. What a beautiful idea that that's real. And it is real. We praise that. And for me, I know who that is. It's a capital W. And the Bible tells us to praise God in all

circumstances, which means even when things are horrible, why would it say in all circumstances, it wouldn't be that all circumstances except when things are really bad. No, precisely when things are really, really bad when the worst thing has happened. We praise God. Now, I know that's incomprehensible to some people. We may not get into that right now. But obviously, the subtext of everything that I or almost anyone is saying these days is the murder of my friend Charlie Kirk. And I have so many thoughts on that. I want to share some of them with you today. Later today, I believe I will be speaking with Lucas Miles, pastor Lucas Miles. He's a friend of mine. He heads up T-P-U-S-A Faith. So he was very close with Charlie. So later in the show, we'll be talking to Lucas. This week, we have a lot of special guests this week. I'll be speaking to Victor Davis Hanson. We were going to speak to James. James O'Keefe. I don't know if we'll get to him this week. But we have a lot of friends,

and we want to ruminate on where we are in the country, in the world. And so I guess there's so much I want to say. But before I leap into say what I want to say, some of which I think is actually very important, I should ask Chris Himes and Keith Keith Junta, if you have anything you want to say or ask me or comment on. Oh, boy. I feel as if I didn't even know him, Eric, like you. And what we're hearing from so many people is that they feel as if they lost their brother. They lost their friend.

Charlie was such a close personality that when you watched him, you felt like you were with him and you knew him and you loved him and agreed with him. And I think in some measure, I took him for granted. I watched thousands of hours of his content. But to see his clips now, they're larger than life. They're prophetic. They're profound. They're eternal.

And I just think this is a watershed moment. We'll talk about this more later. Oh, this is more of. of good and evil is at a place. Here's a great quote I heard. This is either the beginning of a very dark season in this country or this is the end of a very dark season in our country. And we as Christians pray, it is the latter. Well, look, it could be a little bit of both.

But here's the thing. I want to say this really clear. I have to speak strongly because this is, you know, this is like, like if you're speaking to your kid who's going to run out in traffic and get clipped by a truck and die or be brain injured, you're going to scream. You're not going to say, excuse me. So I'm going to scream a little bit, maybe not literally, but I want to speak sharply. We have to know what is evil and reject it with all that is in us. And there are voices out there now that are speaking evil or speaking things that are helping evil. that are complicit with evil. And a lot of times people don't know that. Often they don't. So what do I mean by that? When people say like, oh, we're facing a dark time, I want to say, shut up. Like, no, no, no. Even if we're facing a dark time, we're not facing a dark time. We are to praise God. We're to rejoice in the Lord always. Why does God say that clearly in the

scripture? For when we face difficult things, for when we're in a war, we're in a spiritual war with evil, not with badness, with evil. And the only response to evil is Jesus, the love of the Lord of hosts. That's the only response. And so I, you know, I was in Washington, D.C. I spoke at a concerned Women for America event. I was kind of booked at the last minute. I think they were promised JD Vance or Pam Bondi and the White House flaked on them or something like that. So they said, Eric, can you do it? And I was shocked that I actually was free, which I never seemed to be, but I was free and I went down. And I'll tell you, the whole thing was anointed. It was clearly God's will that I'd be there, the head of Concerned Women for America. I used to be Beverly LeHay.

It is now my friend Penny Nance. I've known her husband, Will Nance, and Penny for, my goodness, it's got to be 26, 27 years. Will was working for Chuck Colson, and I was working for Chuck Colson and I've known them. So they asked me to speak and I did. And I really felt God sent me there to say what needed to be said. And I want to talk about what I said. But on the way home, I actually, because I was in D.C., the Prager University folks were in D.C. They were doing a special founders weekend or something. And I was invited by Marissa Streets. I always forget how to pronounce her last name, to be on the podcast, on the Prager You podcast with her. She's the host.

So I went to the form and post the wall. He did that. That's going to air, I don't know, today or to, as soon as it airs, we will share it. And again, folks, if you're, if you want to keep up with me, you have to go to Ericmetaxis.com and sign up for the newsletter because there's stuff that's going out all the time that I can't, you know, I can't send it to you this way. if you would do that, go to Ericmetaxis.com, sign up for the newsletter because there's a lot of content, a lot of things we're going to be posting, we're going to be posting a lot of videos of me talking to Charlie and stuff. So please go to Ericmataxis.com if you're not. And so many people

are not, but a lot of stuff I share, there's no other way to share it. Eric, I'll just jump in and say that we did go back through our archive. And obviously, Charlie was a friend and guest and has been on the show probably half a dozen times at least. So we'll be reposting those in the coming days. So the newsletter is a good place to find those. Yes. So please do that. But the reason I bring this up is that I was in,

I always go a long way around because there's important information. But then the punchline is, so there I am in the former Trump Hotel, the Wall of the Wall of the story. I'm going home now. I've done the podcast with Marissa, the Prager You podcast. And on the way out the door in this fancy hotel, they've got, you know, complimentary newspapers, New York Times, Washington Post, Wall, Street Journal. You're not allowed to spit in the lobby of a hotel, so I didn't. But what a world we're in,

where nine years ago, I would have, or I already was subscribed to the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. And now I know that they're, especially the New York Times, can't even compare to the Wall Street. I mean, the Wall Street Journal has, it's not what it used to be and it's disappointing. But the Washington Post and especially the New York Times are foul purveyors of propaganda of lies. Really, now again, the New York Times, Oregon of the left, but it never was what it's become, which is really foul, which is really, really foul. It is absolutely pushing lies. Now, the people who are writing those lies mostly believe those lies.

So, you know, some people are knowingly lying. And then there are other people that they're a little less guilty because they believe these foul lies and they promote them. But the New York Times promotes these foul lies. And when we come back, I want to tell you what I read in the Wall Street Journal. That's the long way around to tell you about what I read in the Wall Street Journal. that Peggy Noonan wrote, which annoyed me. But you'll see. We'll be right back.

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Today is Monday, the 15th of September. We've got a lot this week. I was just telling the story. I was in D.C. recently for this Concerned Women's for America event. I did the Marissa podcast with Marissa for Prager You. talk to Dennis's son, one of his sons. Oh, boy. But on the way out of the hotel, I see, I would never pay a penny for any of those papers I mentioned.

But I thought, let me see what they're saying. So I grabbed the three papers. I get on my plane and I'm looking at them. And there was a column by Peggy Noonan, who used to be a friend of mine. And she, it's interesting. The reason I thought of her was because what you said, Keith, where people are out there saying things like we're either going to have the greatest, you know, season of whatever, revival and whatever, or we're in for some really dark times. And I just thought, even saying we're in,

maybe we're in for really dark times, like what, and what about it if we're in for dark times? We're supposed to praise God and rejoice in the Lord always. If they come for you with a gun, if they come to kill you like they kill Charlie. If they get, we are to praise God. Now, if you don't get that, let me just tell you, God. God, wants you to get that. So no guilt trip, but open your heart and say, God, if you're there, help me to understand this, because this is foreign to me. I don't

get what Eric is saying. Just ask God to help you, because this is really important. And so the Peggy Noonan column was kind of like this hand-wringing, and that's kind of, that's Peggy. And that's why I don't like to read her because it's this kind of hand-wringing

thing. And to me, it's like worldly wisdom. Like we're going through a dark period. Okay, so we're going through a dark period, what is God's answer to the dark period to talk about how we're going through a dark period or to rejoice to be a force for light in the midst of the darkness? And so the kind of hand-wringing, like, oh, things are bad. And it was the same back, I knew Peggy, you know, during 9-11. And it was that same like, oh, wow. And, you know, somehow we have to break through that, folks, and we have to shine the light of God,

the light of Jesus, the light of truth and goodness and hope and humor and life and peace and joy. We have to be vessels for God in the midst of the darkness. So that's really our assignment, which brings me to the question of, well, I want to say this. This is an important point, which I think I'm going to be making over and over again. We all know, and I said this the other day, we all know that what happened is horrible. There's no doubt about that. It doesn't get more horrible, honestly. And it kind of reminds me of when Princess Diana died, right?

When somebody young and beautiful dies, it's much more horrible than if an old person expires in their hospital bed. Why? We don't even need to articulate why. But Charlie is way beyond that. Charlie was murdered. He didn't die in a car accident. He was murdered. And he was, let's be clear, a voice.

of truth and goodness and life and faith in Jesus. Remarkable, like an extraordinarily gifted human being, like just outrageously gifted, okay? So why do I say that? I say that because everybody has the right question. Laura Lumer is asking it. Like, I don't get it. How can you believe in God when God would allow this?

It doesn't make any sense. That's correct. Like on some level, it makes no sense. So apart from God, this is incomprehensible, utterly incomprehensible. But with God, it's different. And what do I mean by that? I mean, I know that God miraculously saved Donald Trump's life from the bullet, miraculously. Now, if I know that, it follows logically to say he did not do that with Charlie Kirk.

Why? Okay, well, first of all, you have to say he could have. God could have miraculously saved Charlie Kirk. So I think the only conclusion is, and this is really going to test your faith, to know, do you really know God and love God or not really? You have to believe that God allowed this evil. God allowed it. Now, it's still evil. It's horrifying. Just like the crucifixion of Jesus. was horrifying. Just like the death of Bonhofer was horrifying. Just like the Holocaust was horrifying. And just like all kinds of things that some of you listening have experienced in your lives are horrifying. Rape and murder and whatever it is, abuse is horrifying. So we have to, and again, I think this challenges us in a healthy way to think about what do you believe about God, who is God. You have to say, okay, God allows this evil. It is evil. So it's not saying that God approves of it. And this is the trick.

You can't. There are a lot of people that act like, well, God approved of it. No, this is the conundrum. This is the paradox. And this is what makes it tricky. God calls it evil just as the crucifixion of Jesus is the most horrible thing in the world. But God allows it for his greater purposes. Now, if you think you're better than God, you'll say,

say, that's stupid. What could be his greater purposes? It doesn't make any sense to me. But look, I get that, but you're mistaken. God has greater purposes. If you know him to be the author of all life and all goodness and all truth, if you know who he really is, then you have to trust his larger purposes. And particularly when you are challenged as we are by something as satanic, demonic, evil, as what we've just seen, that's particularly when you have to say, what do I believe? In whom do I believe? Do I really believe in him? Do I really trust him? And this is very challenging. And so to say that God is sovereign, again, the cavalier version of that, it's like, well, God's sovereign, so everything's great that happens. No, no. But the scripture,

there's a few scriptures that can guide us in this. And one of them is Romans 828. All things work together for good for those that love the Lord and are called according to his purposes. All things. Every horrible thing, the crucifixion of Jesus, the Holocaust, all things, the worst things you can mention, God says, for those that love me and are called according to my purposes, even those things, and in some ways especially those things, work together for good. So we can see that, and again, this is kind of on a surface level, but you see like, well, if it weren't for the Holocaust, the state of Israel wouldn't have come into being. So we don't want the Holocaust to happen, but God allowed it, and the state of Israel comes into being.

Now, there's some people who don't care about that. I care about that. If you love Jesus, you should care about that. The death of Dietrich Bonhofer. I mean, Charlie Kirk is for sure a Bonhofer. Charlie Kirk is for sure a modern day Bonhofer. If there's anybody who is a modern day Bonhofer, it's Charlie Kirk. The Lord allowed Bonhofer the extremely brilliant Christian, Dietrich Bonhofer,

to be murdered by the Nazis. He could have gotten out of it. God could have done something. He didn't. So we have to believe God chose to use this for his purposes. We wouldn't be talking about Bonhofer, I think, if he had lived. And I think it's similar with Charlie. I think that God allowed this for his purposes.

I think we are going to see an explosion of faith in Jesus across the world that would not have been possible without the death of Charlie. I've got to tell you, if I were asking Charlie about this, Charlie, are you good with that? Guarantee you, folks. He'd be like, yeah, I want to do whatever. and be available to God for whatever are his purposes in history. And we are going to see, folks, we're seeing it already, revival. And again, not just revival, not just, oh, Jesus, Jesus, I believe in Jesus. No, no, I believe in Jesus.

And therefore, I'm going to live differently. I'm going to never sleep with somebody that I'm not married to, ever. I'm going to pray that God send me the spouse, that he has chosen for me, and I want to marry that person, and I have a family with that person, and serve God with that person. We're living in a new day. People are going to not just find God biologically, but find what does that mean in life? That gives meaning to my life. It gives joy and hope and purpose to my life.

And how can I be like Charlie Kirk? How can I do what he was doing? How can I be a part of the answer and rejoice that God allows me to be part of the answer? God wants every person, especially every young person, to have hope and to say that God has a plan for you, a wonderful plan for you. And by the way, folks, we should always compare ourselves to Charlie Kirk and Bonhofer and anybody else and also not compare ourselves. Because when you say, who's going to replace Charlie Kirk?

Nobody. How ridiculous. There's only one, Charlie Kirk. There's only one you. There's only one you. and you're meant to be you. And when you compare yourself to people in that broken way, you're complicit with Satan, and you need to understand that.

When you say, oh, I don't make enough money, I haven't done enough this, I haven't done it, da-da-da-da. That's the voice of the devil. You want to agree with that. You're working along with Satan who murdered Charlie Kirk. This is a challenge for every one of us that walk day by day, in our thought life. What do we say? What comes out of our mouths about ourselves, about other people? This is a challenge, but it's God challenging us. It's beautiful. God is using this to push us to

deeper faith, to real faith, to glorify him. We are going to see things, folks, that saints have prayed about for centuries. Yeah, we'll be right back. Obviously, we're talking about Charlie Kirk. We're going to have a lot of folks on this week coming up on this program, our friend Lucas Miles, who worked very, very closely with Charlie and other folks, David Englehart, who was extremely close to Charlie. He's on the board of TPP USA, and he's my pastor, David Englehart, here at King's Church in New York City. We're probably going to be together this weekend in Phoenix as my guest. There's going to be this event. I'm not sure the details, but we'll be seeing as it goes. A lot going on here in New York.

Tomorrow night, Tuesday, September 16th is the first Socrates in the city book club here in New York City at the Union League Club. I believe I will be there. And on September 18th, Thursday, we've got a big patrons dinner. If you're a patron of Socrates in the city, we have a patron's dinner in New York here in Manhattan this Thursday. And next Thursday in Dallas. So a lot, a lot, a lot going on.

I'll be in Dallas also speaking at a Metroplex Women's Center. That's Saturday, December 27th. That's next week. Wow. So much going on. Then I'm back in D.C. for the Religious Liberty Commission. Lots going on, folks. Yeah.

And also a reminder on the Socrates front, we have a match going on. That's very exciting. Oh, oh, oh. Thank you. The match campaign. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, folks, you know, I mean, most of you listen in this program know what I'm about.

And in many, many ways, it's exactly what Charlie was about. It's just me being me. We each have our own lane, our own assignment from God. And Socrates and the city is a big part of my assignment from God. And so if you're interested in knowing more about it, go to Socrates and the city.com. I was just at this Concerned Women for America event. And afterward, after I spoke, all these women are coming up to me wanting a picture or to meet me or whatever, which blesses my socks off. I mean, I want to tell you, like, I, you know, I'm rarely recognized in, in airports or anything like that.

I don't have that level of people noticing me. But at these events, there people come up to me and they're so sweet. And one young woman came up to me and introduced me to her young husband. And she said that they met at a TPP USA event, I think. And she says her husband was not a Christian and that he became a Christian through watching Socrates in the city videos. And I said, you know what? That's one of the greatest things I could ever hear. It's why I do Socrates in the city is to lead people to the source of the good, the true, and the

beautiful. And that source is Jesus. That source is the God of the Bible. And so when she said that to me, I thought, what a testimony, because you know, you don't get to hear this kind of stuff a lot. You know, stuff goes on out there. People are watching on the internet and you don't know what's going on. So to hear something like that thrills me. He becomes a Christian. They're married. They're serving God together. What a beautiful thing for me to hear because, you know, that's why I do all that I do. especially Socrates and the city. So but check out Socrates and city.com and there is a... There's a match going on.

So if you go to Socrates and the city.com slash match, we're trying to double the donation of $25,000. And that will let us reach 500,000 more viewers. So that's the goal. Socrates and the city.com slash match. I wouldn't have put it so intelligently. That's really, that's well said because if you're supporting Socrates in the city, what you're doing is you're enabling us to get it out more, to do more and to get it out more.

And when people see these things on video, I just mentioned good things happen. There are all kinds of people on a journey. There are many people who are already Christians, but they need to be fed intellectually. They need to understand more in depth about what does it mean to be a Christian? And that's why I was saying before about, you know, when you accept Jesus, it's not just about, okay, I'm done. and I go back to my pathetic secular worldview, no, God wants to transform your mind to think along his lines in everything, in politics. And that's obviously what Charlie did, right? He didn't just say, well, I'm a Christian, so, okay, there's that. Now let's move on to other stuff. Your faith in the God

of the Bible affects everything. It affects how you treat your enemies. You pray for your enemies. You love your enemies. You try to help your enemies see what they're getting wrong. Charlie did that. He lived that out. Your faith is supposed to affect everything. And if you're going to a church, by the way, that doesn't get that, get out of the church. Get out. If you're going to a church that didn't bring up Charlie's name yesterday on Sunday, I just want to challenge you, folks, that that is amazing that you would think that that's okay, because this is so monstrously important, his murder. And there are people like, well, there are many people, listen, a lot of it is just ignorance. A lot of people do not understand what a loving human being, Charlie, was. And they bought a little bit of this lie. And so in ignorance, they think, well, maybe he was a little racist or a little homophobic or a little bit. Ladies and gentlemen, I can tell you that is not true.

Now, there are racist, nasty, Jew-hating people out there, okay? I won't mention his name, but Nick Fuentes, for example. There are people that are purveying hate and garbage. Now, they always mix it in with some truth that kind of pull you in. Like they're going to say something. You don't go, yeah, I agree with that. Do you agree that there are too many immigrants in America? Yeah, I agree with that.

Okay. And then they keep talking and, you know, a couple hours down the line, they kind of steer you in a genuinely racist direction. Charlie Kirk never did that. I never heard him say anything I disagreed with. Charlie is just like right on in everything. But there are people who don't know that. And if you're going to a church that doesn't get this,

the hour is late. After what just happened, you need to be in a place where you are being fed the truth. And if you've got one of these pastors playing that game, when we come back, I'll tell you more about that. And I'm going to tell you about who can replace Charlie Kirk. If I could fly like birds on heart. Welcome back. It's the Eric Mattaxas show.

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We are at the beginning of revival in America. The murder of Charlie was a piece of that, that something has happened. The scripture talks about, you know, unless a piece of wheat die and fall into the ground or whatever, that death in this world can lead to eternal life in a way that, there's a spiritual truth there. And the fact is that you don't want people to die. But the scripture, sorry, the scripture, there's a statement by Tratullian in the second century. He's one of the early church fathers.

He said, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. Charlie Kirk is a martyr. He didn't just talk about politics. He spoke endlessly about the source of everything. he believed, and that was his faith in Jesus. So he's a martyr. His death is the seed of the church. The church is going to explode in growth. Conservatism and patriotism, love of America, love of the principles that build our nation are going to explode around the world, not just in America, but around the world. We saw it around the world. We saw it in South Korea. We saw

in London. Hard for me to believe, frankly. My eyes are like, can this be real? Something is happening. We're living in historic times. A lot of people like, nothing ever changes. Absolutely wrong. As surely as God one day parted the Red Sea, as surely as one day God called the United States into existence, into history, as surely as one day Martin Luther was born into the world, God works in history, and we are living in historic times. I've been saying this for months that I've sensed this in my spirit. We're living in historic times. And you don't want to miss it. You want to say, wow, God, I want to be a part of this. Lead me and guide me. And so I want to say this before I get

to Who Can Replace Charlie Kirk, I want to say everyone listening to this program, if you don't believe in God or you're not sure, do what I did as a young man. A friend of mine, my friend Ed Tuttle, who led me to faith. He said, well, ask God to reveal. himself to you. And I thought, well, that's dumb. I don't even know if God is there. So how can I ask God to it? Well, I'll tell you what, if you're in enough pain, which I was, and if you're lost enough, and you say, okay, God, I don't know if you're there, but if you're there, lead me to yourself, give me a sign, lead me to the right people, show me the way. Show me what is your assignment for me in this life? What do you have for me? If there's anything that's good and beautiful and true,

I want to be on board with that. Lead me and guide me in that. And folks, I got to tell you, I promise you, he will. I can say this from experience because the kind of thing you go, I don't know, just take it from me. He will. That doesn't mean it's always easier. It's always clear.

There are Chris Himes and Keith Jinta, because, you know, we're around the same age, can say that sometimes it's really challenging. we're in a battle, we're in a war. Sometimes it's really, really tough. I don't talk about that too much on this program. I've struggled with depression for 30 plus years. It kind of comes and goes. And when it comes, it's horrible.

And you say, Lord, I don't get this. Why can't you heal me of this? We've all struggled in different ways. And you know what? You praise the Lord in all circumstances. God has the plan. He knows the end before the beginning. And so I want to say that it's because of the challenges that we need God,

not because of the good times, not because of the success and the victory. And so I want to just challenge everybody, this is why we're here. I rarely speak so on the nose, but we're living in a new day. And we need to be radical in our faith, radical in the thoughts that we allow us to think about ourselves and others, radical in rejecting what the enemy wants to whisper to you. Because he wants to whisper to you. He wants to lead you just to stray a little bit. That's all he needs.

So we're all in a battle. But God has created us for the battle. He's called us to the battle. He's with us in the battle. And that's beautiful. So it's not like, well, I don't know. Does God see me? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He sees you. He knows your thoughts. He loves you. He has a plan for you. So we're living in a new day, folks. We're living in a new day where this, I wouldn't be saying this if Charlie hadn't been killed last week, would I? I'd be talking about something else, I guess. Well, praise God. Okay, so who can replace Charlie? Short answer, nobody and how stupid even to say such a thing. Like, it's so silly, like when people say, who's the next Bonhoeffer. Who cares? Who cares who's the next Bonhofer? There is only Bonhoffer. There is only Wilberforce. They did their job. What is your job? Your job is to be the next you. and to cast aside these creepy thoughts of wanting to be somebody else, you can model yourself on other people, and that's beautiful.

You know, we model ourselves on Jesus, but you're not meant to be Jesus, but you're meant to do what Jesus did is open yourself up to the will of God 100%. Yes, that's correct. But you're not supposed to die on the cross. You're not supposed to wander around Palestine preaching. You're supposed to do what God has given you an assignment. What has God given us as an assignment? I hope I'm doing what he asked me to do right now this minute.

And when I get off the air, I hope I'm doing exactly what you know, we all have an assignment. And it's beautiful. It's not onerous like, oh, I've got to do this. I have this burden, this big thing I have to do. No, no, no, no. God loves you. He's with you. He made you.

He knows you infinitely more than you can ever know yourself. He knows what he created you to do. And so the idea of who can replace Charlie. I mean, listen, nobody. Now, who's going to head up TPPUSA? Well, that's another question. Maybe it's Erica, his widow. It seems to me probably that she will step in to do that.

Who will continue the campus tours? I don't know. Maybe 100 people. Maybe I will be part of a team, Frank Turek. There are so many wonderful voices that could step into the breach and could be a part of something so that we don't have a campus tour, but 100 campus tours. Something amazing. Charlie Kirk tours around America.

How beautiful that would be. I guess, you know, Ben Shapiro in some ways is extremely qualified to do that. Everybody's different, folks. You're not supposed to be anybody but you. We'll be right back. Hey, the folks, welcome back. In a minute we're talking to Lucas Miles, who's the head of. TPSA Faith, that was headed up by my colleague Jared Fleming.

And it is so important and it's so amazing that Lucas Miles is heading that up. So he's going to come on to this program today to talk about Charlie, to talk about TPSA Faith and about his new book, which actually came out, which is you'll see right on the money. I want to say a few other things. One of those things is that hell is real. I have heard Christians over the years or non-Christians often say, like, well, why don't you have to talk about fear of hell? Because I don't want you to go there forever because it's real. And I think if anything can galvanize the saints to talk about hell,

it is the murder of Charlie Kirk, the obvious existence of satanic evil. We're not talking about people with a different point of view. You know, we're not talking about people that have a, you know, a view of the role of government. Now, we're talking about satanic evil. And we've been seeing it in our time. The last number of years, we've seen it a lot. Charlie actually talked about in a conversation he was having with Tucker Carlson. I have talked to Tucker Carlson about it.

When you are solving for X in an algebraic equation, when you look at what has happened in this country, just in the last five years, you say, what can account for what I'm seeing? It smells like evil. It doesn't smell like we're having a political battle. It's a struggle between, you know, Gary Hart, Dick Gephart, Michael Dukakis, Bob Dole, you know, George Bush. senior, those days are gone. We're talking about light and darkness, good and evil. And it's important for us to understand evil is real, but why? Because once you see that evil is real, you see the only answer is Jesus. It's not, well, be a better person, be this, be that, no, God is the only answer. Only God has the power to defeat evil. You do not. None of us does. None of us does.

And it's only by submitting utterly to Jesus and his will that we can stand against evil. And you should be scared by evil. You should be scared enough to say, I need God. Without God, you're dead, you're worse than dead. You cannot stand against evil. And I think that the revelation to many people of the existence of evil is God's way of pushing us toward himself and saying, yes, yes, you need me. You need a savior. You need someone to save you. You can't save yourself.

You're dead. Your goose is cooked. You can't do it. If you're dumb enough to think you can do it, my prayer would be that you would eventually see, okay, I can't. I am outgunned. I lose. We lose going up against.

satanic evil. And that's what we're up against. And so we need Jesus. With Jesus, I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. If I'm standing on the rock, Christ Jesus, I am in him. I am protected by him. And he can fight for me and he can fight through me. If I yield my heart to him, that's God's will for us. And so all of the manifestations of actual evil in the last number of years, has been a wonderful wake-up call for people to say, you know what, okay, I didn't really believe in God or evil. I kind of get it now. This is the bigger picture. This is not some political battle. This is a battle between the forces of light and the forces of darkness. I want to be on the side of light. And if I could say anything to any of you, I would say, open your heart today to Jesus.

He has an amazing, glorious plan specifically for you. Open your heart and see what he does. God bless you.