The Eric Metaxas Show - Erik Prince (Encore)

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Erik Prince discusses the Deep State and his privacy smartphone: https://unplugged.com/

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Welcome back, folks. I continue my conversation with my friend David Venom. David, we're talking about the world turned upside down. In other words that, you know, look, I can put a positive spin on it. Romans 828, all things work together for good for those that love the Lord to call the courtings purposes. So all the wickedness that is happening is being used by God to force people to choose. Do I really believe what I claim to believe?

Am I going to live it out? Because right now things are so insane. if I don't step up, if I don't speak out against the madness, I am complicit with it. And I say this over and over. Folks, if you are not speaking out, if you are not doing something, if you're not living out your faith boldly, you need to know you are helping the evil to happen. You need to understand that, folks. You need to understand.

There's no fence sitting anymore. The devil owns the fence. If you're sitting on the fence, the devil is thrilled with you, if that's the kind of faith that you have. So we're at a point right now where the most basic things are being mocked. You talked about your dad being mocked for holding up for carrying a Bible. Now, what does that say about these immature drag queens? I mean, these are broken, sad, messed up people.

They're very messed up. They're threatened. They're hurt. They're wounded. And somebody holding a Bible is a threat to them. But what I wanted to get back to is the security guard going along. with this escorting your father out. What does that say? And that was that security guard, if he had any guts or any brains, he would say, well, I can't do that. I won't do that. But he did

it. That's what's amazing to me. Yeah. Everybody has to step up. I mean, you know, I'm just sitting here thinking about this verse in Isaiah chapter 59, verse 14 and 15. Check out what the Lord says. this is exactly where we are in this country today. This is exactly pinpoint. I mean, this is thousands of years ago. Listen to what he says. Justice is turned back. Righteousness stands far away.

For truth has stumbled in the public squares and uprightness cannot enter. Truth is lacking. And he who departs from evil makes himself a prey. And that's exactly when we were talking about my dad being escorted out of that drag queen story show. you know, that drag queen hour. He who departs from evil makes himself a prey. Why?

Because truth is being trampled in the streets. And it requires all of us, especially men in positions of influence, all of us to speak. What's the quote from, I know you wrote it in your book, Martin Neemoler's quote, that first they came for the Jews, I wasn't a Jew, right? Then they came for the Catholic. Well, that's, I mean, it's incredible. Actually, it's in my new book. religiousist Christianity. I read a whole chapter on it because it's a spirit, right? In other words,

if you think Neemaller said, I mean, he lived it and then he wrote about it, you know, after the after the end of the war, he realized that when the evil powers came to persecute a certain group, he said, you know what, I don't need to get involved. I'm not part of that group. So let them attack whatever it was, the communist or whatever, let the Nazis go after them. I don't have any argument. I just want to preach the gospel, right? Let them attack the communists. So they attack the communists. Then the Nazis come after another group.

And he's like, you know what? I'm not part of that group. I just want to preach the gospel. Praise the Lord. I'm just going to keep doing church. And he doesn't step up. And he doesn't step up. And then finally, as they've picked off one group after the other,

now they turn to come after the Christians like Martin Niemuller. And he looks around and is like, oh, yeah, there's no one to speak up for me. So this is the spiritual principle. And again, I mean, I, I, I, I, I write two chapters on this in the book that the spirit behind cancel culture. If you do not stand against that from the beginning, principle, in principle, in other words, when anybody comes after anybody, what is the principle behind what they're doing? You don't need to agree with that group, but you need to say, I'm going to stand with those people because the principle behind this is evil. And that's where we are right now, where many Christians, I mean, look, I've been in the room with prominent Christian pastors saying that,

oh, I won't speak about this or speak about this because I don't want to get canceled. Yeah. And I shame on you. That's right. That's right. Because here's what's happening. Their income, their image, and their influence depend on people liking them. Those are the three idols that are keeping pastors in America completely silent.

Their income, their image, and their influence. That's the idols of the day. And we all in the name of quote. I don't want to offend anybody and hurt the gospel. You know, listen, I'm not even going to give a Bible passage on that. John chapter 10, Jesus rebuking the shepherds for running and letting the wolves scatter and devour the flock. But listen to what Albert Camus says.

He's a French existentialist. He's the thinker philosopher poet in the early years, early 20th century. Listen to what he says. I love this quote. He said this. There always comes a time in history when the person who dares to say that, that 2 plus 2 equals 4 is punished with prison or death. And the issue is not what reward or punishment will be the outcome of such reasoning.

The issue is whether or not 2 plus 2 equals 4. See, that is the spirit of the day. Is a man a man or not? Is a woman a woman or not? Are we God or not? Right? It's like the church Christians have to speak. Now is a time, which is why at what makes a man.org, we have made it very clear.

This is a proclamation on biblical Christianity, and you have a chance to sign it. You can sign it, and then after you sign it, send it to your pastor. Because here's the deal, Eric. If pastors will not sign this, you will know whose income, image, and influence mean more to them than saying 2 plus 2 equals 4. forward. We're living at a time right now, and it's a beautiful thing where you're seeing with greater and greater clarity, who actually believes what, because you can talk a good game. A lot of people claim to be a Christian. It's a meaningless statement. You're a Christian. Are you living it out? Are you actually a Christian? So I got to say, you know, when you talk

about what you just said, everywhere I go, when I'm talking about a letter to the American Church or the Newbrook religion was Christianity, people say, okay, what, what should I do? The first thing I say is, if you're going to a church that is not standing on this firmly and living it out, that is in the war, if they're not involved, if they're not raising up a congregation to be bold warriors for truth, you need for the sake of your eternal soul to get out of that church, for the sake of your soul, run from that church. So if you have a pastor that says, oh, we would never show letter to the American church in our church, the film, the documentary. I would say, well, why are you going to that church? If you've got a pastor that will sign, go to what makes a man.org and sign this proclamation on godly masculinity, folks, why are you going to that church?

Now, there are many people listening right now that are going to churches like this. And I want to say to you, folks, you have power. you do not need to go to that church. You have the power to leave that church. You can tell the pastor why you're leaving or you can just leave. Take your friends, take God's money, take the tithe and give it to somebody who is in the war. But we're having a moment of clarity right now. So if your pastor will not sign this proclamation on Godly masculinity, you have to understand that you've been a sucker. You've been going along. And by the way, it's happened to me. but God says it's okay. You can repent. You can repent right now. You can say, yes, I got it wrong. And from here on end, I'm going to get it right.

But if you're going to a church like that, folks, you got to give something about it. You'll have three types of people here, you know, that probably are listening to this. If you're going to church at all, and I want to get to say this real quick, my dad used to say when I was younger, what's worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing is a wolf in shepherd's clothing. And then I would add, I would add, what's worse than that is sheep in shepherd's clothing. So we have three types of leaders. You have wolves in shepherd's clothing. And those are the United Methodist congregation that just now voted to bring in the radical transgenderism and homosexuality.

Those are wolves in shepherd's clothing. The Pope, people like that. This wolves in shepherd. We're out of time, David. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I knew this would happen. Never enough time. Folks, go to, go to Benham Brothers, check them out, go to what makes a man.org and get out of that church if your pastor is not on board. God bless you, David. Bless you, man. For 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian

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You really talk about how we got to where we are right now. It's called Too Big to Win, how the military industrial complex and the neocon keep America losing. I think most people listen to this program would agree that what Eisenhower called the military industrial complex, which we now might call the deep state, the uniparty, the neocons, the bad guys that we used to think were the good guys, how they have really prosecuted a decades-long deception

on the American people. It's horrifying. It's difficult for most of us as we've woken up to this. you've been awake to it a lot longer to really see what's been going on and how we need to stand against it. So how did you come to see things as they are? I mean, if somebody had talked to you 20 years ago, were you where you are now then? Or were you part of it then and then you woke up slowly? No, I would say already back in college, I went to Hillsdale College, having left the Naval Academy after a year and a half.

but I went to Hillsdale and I was actually a district representative for Pat Buchanan for president in 92 already when he was running. So I had awakening to the corporate wing of the Republican Party how much I didn't like it back then.

You're like my friend John Zmirich. As soon as you mention Pat Buchanan, I realized, oh, you were on to this 30 plus years ago. It makes people like me feel ashamed on some level that I was duped. I remember having a conversation with John Zmirak right just as the Iraq war was beginning.

And he was the only conservative I knew who told me why this is a bad idea, blah, blah, blah, and I just remember sitting there thinking, what? And of course, now I get it. But so you got this way back in the beginning when you were part of the Pap Buchanan and not the George W. Bush or George H.W. Bush wing of the Republican Party. Yeah, sure. I was an intern for the George Bush Senior White House, and I saw what a swamp Washington was already. I mean, you know, me in college walking around Washington, D.C. with a White House badge. I could get into any federal agency, and I could just see it was Hobbs Leviathan embodied. And it was just bureaucratic hell everywhere. So I came away from Washington with a very, well, a very pro-libertarian bent. And I realized, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the, but the. the difference between a libertarian versus a Pat Buchanan approach, and I agree with the Pat Buchanan, is I'm all in favor of free trade as long as the other countries agree to a free

trade policy and not their very corporatist, very state-sponsored advantages. And so growing up in the Midwest in a manufacturing family, I know how hard it is to make stuff and to be cost competitive. And when you have foreign countries colluding to support their manufacturers and you have Washington colluding with big banks and Wall Street to make it much harder for American manufacturers to succeed. And people where they'll close a plant and outsource a job for a dollar, it's really problematic. And so a healthy America has a very healthy middle class, and that requires a good manufacturing base, all of which has been shredded over the last 30 years, we actually saw a change start to come back with the policies that Trump started

to put in place. And we need a hell of a lot more than that. Well, yes, we do. And we're going to get to that. We need to drain the swamp, whatever you want to call it. But I want to get back to, I remember waking up to this. I think a lot of America really first woke up to this during the 2016 debates when Donald Trump dared to criticize Jeb Bush to his face. And he said, and and criticize Jeb Bush's brothers' policies in Iraq. It was a staggering moment. It was an earthquake, you know, in the Republican world to have this frontrunner openly say what a lot of people had maybe thought a little bit

but didn't feel comfortable saying. You thought, well, we can't say that. He said it. And since then, there's been this cascade where more and more people have woken up to what we got when we, elected Bush and Cheney, which many liberals were saying. But as conservatives or Republicans, we said, well, no, they've got to be wrong. Whatever Bush says is right.

So Trump was really that earthquake that made it possible for many, many in the Republican Party, many in America to begin to see the reality of the deep state, the reality of the Unip Party, the reality of the military industrial complex, that this is not something that's made up. This is very real. Yeah, it's the five wealthiest counties per capita surround Washington, D.C. That's a very unhealthy example for a society. And between the massive deficit spending that Congress continues to do and it enriches a federal government, the real constitutional crisis, as we're supposed to have three branches of government,

we have four, we have a fourth that is unelected and truly unaccountable. And apparently, you know, I had high hopes for Speaker Johnson when he was elected. I thought he was a conservative guy, and my God, what a sellout he's become. And he just got rolled on funding a wrong effort in Ukraine, sending money to Israel, sending money to Taiwan. I mean, both of those countries have significant resources themselves. They can fund themselves. And the extension of FISA, one after the other, the guy just going to be. rule. Why we truly have a uniparty?

Well, this is what's so funny when people say, oh, but he's a Christian. And I've come to the point where I couldn't care less. Jimmy Carter was a Christian. He taught Sunday school. It's really irrelevant if they can't apply their Christian faith to what their job is, which obviously Mike Johnson, he doesn't seem to understand that like fighting against evil is a biblical value just in case. You have a biblical worldview. That should be part of it. But look, we've seen this a lot. What gives you hope? Because I know you're in the fight. I have a favorite book. It's called To Dare and to Conquer. And it's basically a history of special operations throughout history. It goes back a couple thousand years. And it gives examples of a few picked men that

changed the course of history by carrying out amazing special operations in the face of unbelievable opposition. And so I still think, you know, the United States, the Patriots, 3% of our population back in 1775 decided, hey, we're going to fight for freedom. And they took on what was then the most powerful military force in the world. And they won. There's a lot of that spirit left in America. And our forefathers resisted far harder against a government far less tyrannical than what we even have in Washington right now. And so it's time for people to wake up.

And they probably need to spend more time. I think to live in a republic is not a spectator sport. You have to be engaged. And so it's probably time to watch less football, basketball, and baseball, and engage in more school board, town council, and county commission meetings and demand action. And the biggest problem we have, though, is a federal government that is completely off its base. And this gets solved by the states flexing up and saying, no, and forcing the government, the federal government, to live within its constitutional means.

Well, easier said than done, but I'm hopeful. I mean, I really think Trump was the bomb that kind of exposed everything. Suddenly, you saw, because of the way they came after him, I mean, when he was running, when he won. I mean, I was in D.C. for the inauguration, and I'll never forget the march the following day about the resistance. And I thought, what in the world is going on? They're not going to give him five minutes. They have already decided he's, you know, Hitler 2.0, and they're going to be doing everything they can. And that's when we first saw the way they went after General Flynn and on and on and on, Russiagate,

just to cripple him while he is the president of the United States. And then to steal an election, it's extraordinary, but it's exposed the dark side. They had been working in the shadows for decades. You know, a lot of people believe the Warren Commission. A lot of people believe like, well, the CIA, the, you know, they're basically good guys. And I think we've now seen that no, they're not. When you give an asshole, a gun and a badge, you get a bigger asshole. And so when you have a federal agency that is truly unaccountable and unelected, it can definitely go off the tracks.

And so what the shocking thing is, is that Republicans that are opposed to this kind of nonsense, don't take harder action, right? I would say at this point, it's not even Speaker Johnson. We need to go after the chairman of these appropriations committees and pressure them in a way they've never been pressured and their staffs to cut off the money. Absolutely. That's how you starve the beast is to cut off the money.

And it's done at a committee level. Do you think Trump, if he is reelected, understands what we're facing? Look, we're electing a president, not a Mazziah. I think I give that man such credit for having the resolute willpower to just keep fighting and to see it through. I've been through a lot of government and political attacks, but he has done amazing things. It's a staggering thing. We'll be right back, folks. I'm talking to Eric Prince.

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I am 1776. Okay, you say a lot. You say a lot in this article. All of it is important. You talk about how the neocons, the warmongers, who are making a lot of money off of war, time and again, push for their version of how we should respond, for example, to the 9-11 attacks 23 years ago and how it is about the money.

It is about, I mean, in the article, you write about how you, or I don't know who advised that the IDF, the response to Hamas should be to flood the tunnels with sea water. And they decided, no, we'd rather bomb. What do you make of that? Talk about that. Look, I knew they were going to have a problem because Hamas had built 300 miles of tunnels under Gaza. And, you know, what does Hamas want? They want to maximize civilian casualties so they make themselves the victim.

And I had it all lined up. I had the best of Texas, horizontal directional directional drilling technology to flood with tens of thousands of gallons a minute. And in the end, they got pressured by the Pentagon to not do it. and I'm astounded. And I, because I know, look, dropping bombs amongst civilians, of course, is going to cause a lot of unnecessary casualties. And so they're left with a lot of civilian casualties already and a high probability of a lot more if they go hard into Rafa because there's all these civilians stuck down there. And it does nothing but generate sympathy for the Hamas cause. So it's bad on them.

So is the Pentagon? in love with war? I mean, it sounds so sick and so evil. Here you are proposing something that reduces civilian casualties that deals with the problem. Why wouldn't they want that? In other words, what would the reason, what

reason would the Pentagon give in pressuring the IDF not to take that tack? Look, every bureaucracy has a very conventional approach, very risk-averse. They don't really take outsider idea as well. That's just an inherent downside of bureaucracy.

And we have one that is so wealthy and so expensive. And the biggest problem is it's been so insular from any kind of accountability for failure. And that's the biggest problem we have in America, in government, is that we don't hold failures to account. When Elon Musk bought Twitter, he gutted a lot of their headcount because he was keeping the productive people and throwing out the unproductive people. the all of Washington is like a very dirty rug that needs to be shaken and and if you get rid of 90% of the headcount that you're you're on the way to a good start well I mean to me that's simple but is there the will to do that I mean it really does seem like we're talking about draining the swamp that there is this unelected bureaucracy which you've been referring to it's it's kind of obvious that this has been it's taken decades and decades and decades for this Leviathan to get as blow voted as it is. It doesn't want to die, but it's our job as American patriots

to kill it. Yes, it is, and so it requires not just electing a president, but it requires electing enough members of Congress, House and Senate, that will actually vote to cut large chunks of the government. There needs to be such a clear mandate

to change the course of the country that go along to get along, business cannot continue because, look, we're $34 trillion in debt. That's true constitutional crisis because we just can't afford it. I mean, we're not at the point where the interest payments exceed that of the defense budget, and our defense budget is already way too high, and we could cut that by 40 or 50 percent, and we'd actually have a more effective military because you just, we're like an obese triathly

trying to go to war. It doesn't work. Tell me again where the article Too Big to Win is published. I am 1776. So the letters, I.m.1776? Correct.com? Dot com. Okay, I am right.

I'll ask you again, do you think Trump gets this? Do you think that he would put in the personnel to go to war against this bloated deep state bureaucracy? Look, he acknowledges, I believe, that he made some personnel, some of the wrong personnel choices last time, and they were fixed towards the end of his last administration. And I think they're definitely taking steps to hit the ground running, to govern effectively because people is policy. And you need people that are wanting to change how Washington does business drastically because the current state does not represent what anything like our founders intended.

It just, it seems that he had no idea and almost no one had any idea of what they were going up against. In other words, they were loaded for bear, so to speak, from day one, from before day one with his presidency. And he didn't realize what he was walking into. And, you know, to lose Jeff Sessions and General Flynn and on and on and on. And then to find himself in the midst of that mess, it really did hamstring him and what he had hoped to do. But I don't think he or anyone who didn't already know could have dreamt, really that this is the way things work in Washington? Look, what the feds did to General Flynn, they squeezed him, they threatened his son,

threatened with all kinds of super high legal fees to bankrupt the guy who was a retired general. Trump should have offered to pay Flynn's legal fees to not take a plea and to fight. The really disgusting thing is if the left had not gone after and created this Trump-Russia collusion lie, which was proven to be a lie, Trump would have had the had the diplomatic space to make a deal with Putin to pull the Russians away from the orbit of China. Absolutely. Which is very much in the long-term interest in the United States. Look, this is huge. I want to go right back there. I'm talking to Eric Prince.

He is the founder of Blackwater. And we're going to talk about a new unplugged smartphone. We've got to get to that. Oh, my goodness. We'll be right back. Welcome back. I'm talking to Eric Prince, the founder of Blackwater. You were just talking about China and Russia. I mean, it seems to me that part of the wake-up call for other people was this obsession with Ukraine, pretending like Ukraine is France and Russia is Adolf Hitler. I think a lot of people like me even don't understand why does NATO exist. I mean, the Soviet Union was defeated 30 plus years ago.

Why are we pretending that this thing called Russia is no different than the Soviet Empire under Stalin? and Khrushchev and Brezhnev and Andropov. It's a bizarre thing to me. Where we are now is a direct result, I think, of this uniparty, of the neocons, perpetuating the fiction that there's still this thing called the West and that we've got to get Ukraine and these former Soviet republics to be part of NATO.

It's just a bizarre fiction, but they've been pushing it like crazy, and Speaker Johnson just went along with it, by funding this nonsense in the Ukraine? Another $62 billion for Ukraine that there's really no accountability for. That's the same amount of money that we were blowing per year in Afghanistan, also losing. All we're doing right now is seceding and wiping out successive generations of Ukrainians because, look, trying to out conventional war the Russian bear is just dumb.

It's just math. They have a lot more manpower. They have a lot more industrial base. lower cost of production for all these high dollar weapons systems. And so as the fields dry, because now it's May, June, that becomes tank season in the very flat Ukraine. You're going to see some significant Russian advances. And this war should have been settled a year and a half ago, freeze the lines, let the Ukrainians focus on rebuilding their economy, liberalizing their economy away from the oligarchs and and hell let them let them restart their their nuclear weapons

program for deterrence but this idea of trying to recapture every bit of ukrainian territory as a fool's errand um and and and Washington wants to fight for the last living ukrainian and that's that's a really dumb idea for their for the future of their society well you also mentioned how i mean even if you were a cynical uh henry kissinger style realpolitik politique politi guy and you just said, well, we don't want Russia cozying up to China. If that's the only reason you're doing it, you would understand that that's important. It's a staggering thing that the Uniparty, the Deep State, the Biden administration have driven Russia into the arms of China. It's astonishing to me that there isn't some adult in the room who understands that's bad.

For the entire 20th century, the goal. The U.S. foreign policy goal was to keep German industry out of the hands of Russian resources. Now all we've conceded in doing is pushing the massive Russian resource pool into the hands of an even bigger industrial enemy, the Chinese Communist Party, that hates us. And it is their goal to reorder the world to undo the Westphalian order of states and remake it in the image of the Chinese Communist Party. this is extremely bad for the survival of Western civilization, and we should be very angry about it. Let's talk about FISA. Why do you think a number of otherwise conservative folks in Congress, including the speaker, did not stand against renewing FISA? So this is not just a renewal of FISA.

that this is a massive enlargement of it. And what they did is basically any commercial data that's on your phone, because your phone maker, they know where you go, what you buy, who you call, and what you browse. And that's all commercially collected by the apps and the phone maker that you use. And now what the Congress just signed off on and signed into law by the president is that the federal government can, without a warrant, order any company that has any of that data to turn it over without a warrant, without due process, without probable cause.

It is such an attack on the Fourth Amendment. It's disgusting. You know, this is something I've been working on hard for the last three and a half years. After the last election, the nonsense of them canceling certain Republican, certain conservative voices opposed to the regime. and so we built a completely independent phone platform called Unplugged. And the difference is it's our hardware, it's our operating system, it's our own app store, it's based on the Android kernel. But our phone does not have an advertising ID, which is like a 25-digit alpha-numeric mark of the beast, which collects everything about you. And Big Tech sells that and sells your data about $180 a year of your data to know. everything you do. And now that's all available to the federal government anytime they want it.

And the difference is our phone prevents that collection so that you have data sovereignty, your Fourth Amendment, your First Amendment rights are secure. And we even have our own secure messenger, which generates a new encryption key, every call. So it is... So how does it say... It's called the unplugged phone, you said? The unplugged phone. You can order it at unplugged.com. And we just, we did. 500 units last October. We did a beta test. We have 10,000 units just arrived. Most of them are sold already.

But this is the answer to a federal government and big tech driven by a super left wing Silicon Valley that is invading and it really taking over your digital sovereignty. We protect your digital sovereignty.

So unplugged.com. So, I mean, I don't know how any of this works. So if you have an unplugged phone, you have to go through one of the carriers anyway. In other words, I'm not sure. How are you protected? Yes.

So you can use AT&T. You can use T-Mobile. You can use Patriot mobile. The difference is when you call on an unplug phone, you can call peer-to-peer and it creates an encrypted tunnel that it could be hacked probably in 20 years, but it's not going to be, it's not going to be listened to. the big way that you are surveilled right now is through the advertising ID, which exists on an iPhone or exists on any phone with Google mobile services. Google is the largest advertising company in the world.

They do that by collecting and selling your data. So we prevent that collection because we don't give out where you go and what you buy and who you call and what you browse. I have so many people that have said I was talking to my wife, talking to my wife about needs. needing a new mattress while we're in our bedroom. And the next day I'm getting advertising for new mattresses, which means the phone was listening. Imagine the phone in your bedroom listening. Now you're getting advertising. It is mind-blowing.

You can go to unplugged.com. We'll be right back talking to Erica Prince. Back talking to Eric Prince, former Navy SEAL officer, founder of the private military company, Blackwater. How did you get the idea? to found Blackwater. I mean, a private military company. Most people don't think about that. How did that idea come to you?

Look, the SEAL teams, I was a SEAL in the 90s, and SEAL teams had been using some private facilities, really since the 1970s, and no one had done it on an industrial scale. So because of my father's success, I built a large training area that the East Coast SEAL teams could use. It was within an hour of their base.

and at the same time I'm doing Blackwater. I took over the original business my dad started, which made Dicast machinery, and we took it through kind of a lean transformation to make it efficient. And so Blackwater, I looked at what does a military do? It recruits, it vets, it equips, trains, and deploys people to do a difficult job in a difficult place. And so we built a machine to do that for humans, and thus we could produce thousands of highly trained, people to do a niche job in law enforcement or disaster response or security for the U.S. government.

And that model works quite well. And history is full of those kind of examples. Well, you obviously believe in the private sector. You believe in freedom. You don't believe in a big government. And so this comes out of that, obviously. And you believe that private solutions are more efficient. You happen to be right.

So I'm glad you believe that. Do you see that as the future of this country that we will scale back our government by God's grace and turn things over to increasingly to the private sector? Eric, I had my seventh birthday, 1976, in East Berlin at the height of the Cold War. And as a seven-year-old, seeing the guns and the dogs and the minefields and the tank traps all facing in, all keeping. people hostage inside East Germany. For a seven-year-old, that was an aha moment to say, this communism thing is not a great example of how people should live. And so we can either choose freedom and to scale down our government and live as free people,

or we can go the way of East Germans and live under an increasingly oppressive superstate. I will always choose freedom and we will fight like hell to keep it. That's amazing what you just said for a couple of times. of reasons, not least, it's amazing because I had my eighth birthday in East Germany. That was in 1971. I got a couple of years on you. And I remember crossing the border in the train with my mom and my family and seeing the machine guns, the soldiers, the barbed wire, the dogs, and understanding what my parents had been telling me before we had ever visited our relatives in East Germany. Germany, and understanding this is evil, that what we have in America is not normal.

It's a gift from God. We need to do everything we can to preserve it. You know, I think people who've actually seen these things get it. There are a lot of Americans. A big part of the problem in the United States is that we've been so blessed that we're complacent, we're lazy. We don't understand how evil things can be and how bad things can get. I call it affluenza. That's what we suffer from.

There's been so much money and so much wealth and so much success that people have really lost track of how this got here. Well, it's amazing. I could talk to you for a long time, Eric Prince. We'll have to have you back to continue the conversation to repeat. You can be followed at real Eric D. Prince, if people want to find you, Eric with a K, Prince. And the phone is the unplugged phone. People can go to unplugged.com. Eric Prince, God bless you.

Thanks for being my guest. Thank you, Eric. Have a good day.