The Eric Metaxas Show - Evan Sayet (Encore)

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

Comedian Evan Sayet, who calls himself a "9/13 conservative," has a very serious new book which addresses our spiraling-downward society, "The Woke Supremacy: An Anti-Socialist Manifesto." (Encore Presentation)

Texas show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Hey there, folks. This is the Eric Metaxis show. I'm playing the role of Eric Metaxis, the host. This is the show. I apologize. This is the best we could do. But here's the thing.

We're going to make it up to you. We're going to get an entertaining and informative guest. Not today, but eventually. Today, we only have Evan say it. Evan, sorry, you're the best we could do. I understand we're conservatives. I'm actually the top person in the entertainment. industry. You've done well for yourself. You and John Voight is right below you. And that's basically

all we got. Seriously, you, when I read your bio, I said I cannot wait to talk to Evan say it, because you have a history. First of all, let's be clear. I'm talking to you specifically because you have a new book out called The Woke Supremacy. When did that book come out? You know, I put it out in August in the hopes that it was timely, given the riots, given the pandemic, given the elections, given all the things that were in the news. The problem was the publicity air got sucked out by the riots, the pandemic, the election, and everything else. So I just sort of relaunched it.

Let's say, let's say I'm kicking it off with you, Eric. Anybody who launched a book in the middle of the COVID lunacy, which I did as well, and that book is called Seven More Men, it's really crazy. So, yes, we're going to consider this the official launch of the woke supremacy. you really are, Evan, a fascinating figure. I want to, obviously the book The Woke Supremacy tells us that you're kind of on my side of the political spectrum. But you have an interesting background. You did comedy, all kinds of stuff that you wouldn't know this because we don't know each other.

But that's very close to my heart. So tell us where did you grow up and what's your career path? How did you end up where you are all these years later? Sure. I mean, I'm a New York City born liberal, lowercase. Jew in the entertainment industry. Wait a minute. I do not have Jews on my program. Albin, my producer, how did this happen?

How did we get a New York liberal Jew? All right, you know what? You had no choice. You could get a comedian or a non-Jew. I mean, there's no other choice there. I'm culturally Jewish, so that's why I could be funny sometimes. But seriously, you grew up in New York. Go ahead. Just as I was coming of age, just as I was looking for my first job, this industry that never existed anywhere in the history of the world, that still doesn't exist in 93.8% of the

world, stand-up comedy, boomed. And the reason it boomed in the late 70s, early 80s, was this new technology came along called cable television. And suddenly, instead of three channels needing programming, there were 103, and then 1,0003, none of them had any money. So they all needed programming. I don't need any writers. You don't need a script. You don't need anything. You don't even need a background.

Just put them in front of a brick wall. You don't need scenery. So all of these channels suddenly started using comedians. And what was perfect for them was as they were trying to establish their brand, if it was the Lifetime Channel, the Women's Channel, you had three female comedians. If it was Black Entertainment Television, you had three Black comedians. so suddenly there was all this work, very few people doing it, and so I was able to make a living in it right for the very start,

and it turned out that was actually quite good at it. And that's kind of weird because you're not that funny. Anybody who knows you vouches for that. No, seriously, Evan, you got your start. I mean, this is like the Holy Grail. Letterman noticed you and thought you were funny. Tell us about that, because Letterman, I've been one of his biggest fans over the years. I even tried to write.

I almost wrote for his book. program. This is in the late 80s. I'll tell you a story about that as well. But I was working at NBC. I was working at WNBC Radio. It was an internship. So basically, I was working for free. And if you recognize WNBC,

that's because of what Howard Stern would make fun of, I was there in exactly the period of private parts of his book and his movie. Lucky you do. When he first got to New York City until a year or two, later. Pig vomit was my boss. And by the way, the reason you said WNBC was because just down the dial was a

very similar radio station called W.A.B.C. And they wanted to be very clear that you were listening to WNBC. So it really wasn't as bad as Howard made it out to be. But I'm working at NBC. And David decides to do a show.

David Letterman decides to do a show. People at NBC, who want to be or who are in show biz, which is a lot of us. I mean, you take the job that you can get while paying the bills. And he saw me and he asked me if I would do stand up on the show. And I did, in fact. And it was a... Now, this was right in the beginning of the show.

Right. This was, well, 1982, let's say. Carl Tiedeman was probably still working there. Oh, my gosh. This is right. But nobody that talked to me. So he may or may not be, you know. I'll tell you a great story about Johnny Carson in a moment about that.

But so when now all of a sudden I have this great credit as seen on David Letterman. Well, now not only is there all this work and very few people to fill it, but I've got a legitimate credit. And that catapulted me suddenly to not having to go and do the opening act and scrounging and having a gay job. I was able to instantly propel myself to at least middle act status, which could, at the least pay the bills. So I very, very, very quickly became a full-time comedian. But I tried to write for David. You know, I had the inside track. I actually, by this time, began to know him quite well. He took me under his wing a bit. But I could not write that show. We also had like the Harvard Mafia around him. They would push people out if you know. Oh, no, they were actually, yes, indeed. They did. And they were

very kind to me. Now, not so kind that they gave me the job. But, but they, they were, They were not the problem. The problem was that there was this kind of comedy that suddenly came up, the anti-comedian, the not funny comedian, the Andy Kaufman's, the people who did things that were so unfunny, it was funny. And most famously, when Andy Kaufman sold out Carnegie Hall, and he sat there the entire time, I don't know, 35 bucks a ticket, 50 bucks a ticket at the time, he sat there the entire time and read the great Gatsby.

Now, if you're in the audience, that's not funny. But from that point on, people would say, can you believe what Andy Kaufman did? That's the funniest thing in the world. And there was this sort of not funny comedy that I didn't know how to write. And so your problem was you were funny. And a comedian in those days really didn't want to be funny.

That's correct. They were the anti-futty. You've got 99% chutzpah and no other, nothing else. Well, and if you look at it, what happened was there was another cultural change at that time, which was that television went on later and later into the evening. It used to be after the Tonight Show. Perhaps they ran a rerun of Big Millen and wife for, you know, some cop show, McLeod. And then, and then you heard the Star Spangled Banner and, and the white noise. And you go to the test pattern with the American Indian.

Exactly. And suddenly people said, the network said, you know, we're not doing anything with that hour after the Tonight Show. We're not doing anything with that 90 minutes. on Saturday, let's give it to the kids. They gave some schmuck named Lauren Michaels, a kid from Canada. You know what the hell? Do what you want with the show. And they gave letter them in the hour after Johnny and said,

do whatever you want with the show. And they were not going to be their parents, comedians. They were going to be the opposite of their parents' comedians. They were going to be the unfunny comedians. And I didn't know how to write unfunny. That's why we like you. That's why you're on this program. Evan, say it.

S-A-Y-E-T. Say it. So we're going to be talking to you in the rest of this program about your new book, The Woke Supremacy. But I just love the idea that you go from comedy to writing about where we are now. So what happened in between? Did you move to L.A. from New York? I moved very shortly out there after because while I couldn't write for Letterman, I was perfect for Johnny Carson.

And so I asked my now friend David Letterman, would he please send a package out? to his connections. He's already been guest hosting that show for years and whatnot. His friend Peter LaSalle and Ray Siller, who was the head writer at the time. And I put together a package and LaSalle, the producer got it and said, this is great. I'm giving it to the head writer. The head writer said, this is great. I'm giving it to Johnny.

And Johnny was going through a miserable divorce. Nothing was funny to him. So I did not get the job. Hold on, hold on. We got to pause there. First of all, when we come back, we're going to talk about. about Johnny Carson. We're going to talk about Peter Lassely, and we're going to talk about Carson's ex-wives. And then we're going to talk to Evan Say it about the book, the woke supremacy,

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I don't even believe. I'm the first New York Jew on your show today. It's not even, it's, of course, I'm joking, but, but you've written a book called The Woke Supremacy. I want to get to that, but, you know, I'm a frustrated comedy writer, and I want to talk to you more about, you know, you had the privilege of knowing Letterman in the heyday, and he helped you to get to the Tonight Show. So what happened? The Tonight Show said, nah, we're not interested. Yeah, Charlie was going through a miserable divorce. And by the way, I remember the very first joke because he did use some of the

material I set down. The very first joke, now you wouldn't be able to do this joke today because it's body shaming. And you have to remember the references, I guess now 35, maybe even gosh. Is this a Tody Fields joke or a Mama Cass Elliott joke? Sort of, sort of. All right, remember Kornack the magnificent? The answer is, the answer is hip, hip, hooray. The question, describe Liz Taylor putting on her jeans. That is a great joke. What do you mean you can't do a joke like that today. That is a great joke. You just did it on this program. I love it. Hip, hip, so has that just ever appeared anywhere? Oh, yes, every time I'm on the air. Every time you're on the air, hip, hip, right? When you write a joke like that, that's like

a, I think Dick Cavett's first major joke was, uh, what, what, uh, there's a new restaurant and it's, uh, it's Chinese German. Uh, the only problem is an hour after you eat there, you're hungry for power. That's a big joke. The stupid joke, but I mean, it's good. Anyway, okay, so hip, hip, hooray. Can I tell a slightly off-color joke? If you don't, we'll be offended.

All right. The first joke that I ever sold to Rodney was my sex life. It's like a Star Wars character, Hans Solo. Hands Solo. I'm glad we don't get that joke. So, anyway, the fact of the matter is that you're a, comedy writer. What did you, where do you go from, you know, not getting a job with Johnny Carson, you know, to where we are today? I mean, you've been working everywhere. You were involved with

Arsenio Hall? I wrote, I wrote the Al Smith dinner speech for President Trump. You're kidding. I wrote both of them. The one he did in 2016, that's infamous and the one they didn't do in 2020 because the last second decision by Andrew Cuomo to shut it down. So the Al Smith did, so that speech has never been given public. publicly. The 2016 one was and no, the new one, the next one, the 2021 was not, you want to hear the first couple of jokes? You darn right. We do. All right. So he comes out, you know that, you know the event and you know it well, I'm assuming. Well, it's the, it's a famous Catholic dinner in New York and they always get, you know, they've always got the cardinal and then they've got the, the, the, the people from both

parties who are running, the liberal, or sorry, the Democrat and the, and the, and the Republican. So he was going to give a speech and then Cuomo canceled the whole thing. That is correct. It was all set up. They were already, I'd written it. It had been approved. They were going to, and Cuomo said it's a spreader. It's a virus spreader.

We can't, we can't have it. So they just delivered rather regular stump speeches on camera. So it wasn't the event in the slightest. Right. But what I had is I had the president come out and say, I know a lot of you are surprised to see me again. They said last time we would take a miracle. for me to win. And I want to thank you for that, your eminence.

But I'm, go. Okay, hold on. He says, you know, now this time they say it's a long shot, and again, that I, that I have any chance of winning. In fact, they say there's better chance there'll be peace in the Middle East that he gives that face that he gives, because he brought peace to the Middle East. Right. And people would have gotten that joke a year ago. Today, it's lessover. You should have had me on a year ago then. I know. I know. No, no, no, no, I like it. I'm on the writer here, Aaron. Don't blame the writer. Blame the writer. Blame the producer.

That was good. That was solid. Keep going. So I fly out to L.A. and I move to L.A. thinking I'm going to get the Carson job. How can I not? David recommended me.

The producer of the show loved it. The head writer loved it. It was just really just a formality for Johnny to check off on it. Why does he care who's in the writer's room? So what happened? I just, Johnny was losing a lot of money to yet another ex-wife, and he was just not in a good.

good mood. And he just said, he just, just said, no, I don't think he was anything to me. You know, I think he's, I thought nothing was funny to him at that point. But now I live in Los Angeles. And David, and David introduced me to one of his best friends, who is now one of my best friends some 40 years later, still a comedian named Tom Driesen. Yes, I know Tom Driesen's work. You bet. All right. And so he said to me, you know, I called my friend Tom. He knows you're coming. He knows you're a comedy, a joke writer. No guarantees, except that he'll read your stuff. And so I went to see Tom and he bought a couple of jokes.

So now I'm sitting in my motel room or Oakwood apartments, if you remember them. And I'm writing this bit and it's funny, but it's not Tom. So I could have stopped right there and said, you know what, I need the money. I worked for this guy. But I wrote it all the way out. And I said to myself, you know who this sounds like? It sounds like a comedian Jerry Seinfeld who's doing so well these days. Not quite Seinfeld yet, but Seinfeld.

So I keep it in my pocket. I keep the bit in my pocket as I go to the improv night after night after night after night. And one night, Jerry's there and I introduce myself. I say, hi, I'm Evan Say it. I write for Tom Driesen. Do you buy material? And he said, no, I don't. I take a lot of pride in the fact that I write all my own stuff.

So I could have stopped right there, but I didn't. I said, Jerry, do me a favor. I'm new in town. I don't know a lot of people. Do me favor, just read this. I think it sounds just like you. That way, at least you know what I do. So he says, sure. And he reads it. And he says, Evan, this is great. It's perfect for me. I just don't buy material.

Okay, thank you. I go to sit at the table with Tom. Not five minutes, Eric, not five minutes goes by when this big hand slaps the table. It says, Tom, I need a writer. Tom says, Evan's a writer. This guy says, Evan say it? I said, yeah. He said, Jerry, side. Seinfeld just recommended you.

I got my second client, the guy named George Wallace, a comedian named George Wallace. George Wallace. It's a tight group there. I know George Wallace, Driesen. It's so interesting to hear because I know that I almost wrote for Seinfeld, too. I'm not even joking for the show. But it's so fascinating what a small world it is. So George Wallace, but not the governor, buys your material. And now you're writing for George Wallace and Tom Drieson. Now, I've got two clients, and the same kind of thing happens with a third client. And during this time, I'm continuing to work on my stand-up. They made me the nighttime MC at the improv, which at that point, you know how in Casablanca, everybody goes to Ricks? Well, at that point, everybody went to the improv, everybody all the time, every night.

And I was the nighttime, the nighttime MC. And so I sort of made my way up and toured and did, okay, did well. but then my kid was born, and I didn't want to be on the road 40 weeks a year. I told you never to have kids. It wasn't my fault. It was a new year for career. Eric, I wasn't even in the room. I believe you.

Now, seriously, though, you had a kid, and now what happens? What happens to you now? Okay, so I start to write for other television shows. At first, I write the Arsenio Hall show for a couple of years, write as it on the cover of Time magazine and whatnot. In fact, if you're wondering, just take a moment and recognize for two years, I was the voice of Black America. You know, I was going to say, I wouldn't have guessed that, but I know that that is true. And listen, people don't realize how much writing goes into a program like that. I mean, you know, these guys, they've got to have material every single night.

I'm just, it's incredible. I almost want to have a show just so I could hire you because I know you're good at this. So let me ask you, you work for Arsenio. So this is now what? We're into the 90s now. 91, 92. Yep. And then shortly thereafter, I spent the next several, many years, four, five, maybe even six years,

writing for politically incorrect with Bill Maher. Now, he's got a real potty mouth, that guy. We can't have him on this program. But so you work for political, and worker with Bill. But he's only half Jewish, so you can have them. Ha. Well, so you, so you, yeah, you're behind the scenes at a lot of huge shows. Where do you go from Bill Maher?

I can't even think here. What's next? Well, for me, it was on my own project. I see the wrap it up sign coming up. No, no, no, no, don't worry about it. That's just my producer, Albin. He just needs something to do. I tell you what, just to make him feel better, we will wrap it up.

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Well, of course, and I suspect all literate, educated, caring, loving people would be well aware of your of your entire catalog. Anybody in that group would have to have several copies of each of my many wonderful books. Thank you very much. Now, you've written the woke supremacy. I want to get to that, but we're still talking about your comedy career. So you're doing all these different things, doing your own projects. At what point do you become aware that you want to write about the woke world, the woke

culture? because I think any old-time liberal is today a conservative because they're disgusted with the cancel culture. They're disgusted with the Marxist lunacy. And so you've got a lot of people, including folks like Bill Maher and Seinfeld, they're disgusted with the cancel culture. They can't speak at colleges. They can't, you know, they don't have that freedom that we had a few years ago. Yeah, I wasn't quite there yet in the story that we're telling. What happened for me is I call myself a 930.

Republican. 9-11 didn't surprise me. All right? Obviously, I didn't know the date. I didn't know the targets. I didn't know that the carnage would be so awful. But even as a brain-dead liberal, I knew just enough about the world to know the same people who were murdering the Jews of Israel

for no other reason that they were the closest infidels, who were murdering the Hindus in India, for no other reason that they were the closest infidels, who'd been murdering children in Bessalon Russia for no other reason they were the closest infidels would when they could find a way over those oceans come and get the big infidel, the great Satan, of course they would.

What surprised me was what I call 9-12, and that was the liberal response to the attacks. The idea that we deserve them, that it was the chickens coming home to roost in the words of my president's spiritual mentor. The idea of the way to prevent further attacks was to be nicer to the terrorists, This was insane to me, Eric.

And I had to think, aren't we as liberals, aren't we supposed to hate religious fanatics? And yet they were defending the most fanatically religious sect on the planet. And I had to start thinking about what I believed. And Eric, I have an expression. The first time you think is the last time you're a Democrat. Oh, that's a great line. I know. That should be the title of a book, my friend.

That's the title of a book. That's like being very nice. say it again, it's just too, so sweet. Go ahead. The first time you think is the last time you're a Democrat. That's a good title, Evan. I'm going to steal that if you don't. You need to write a short, funny book with that title.

You know what? You write it. No, I can't. That's really good. That's really good. Okay, so, well, the new book is the woke supremacy. So I want to get to that. So where do we go?

How do we get to the woke supremacy? So at that moment, when I began to recognize there's something quite wrong that I'm not If that's what a liberal is, then that's what I'm not. And I began to think about all of the other issues one by one that I had simply taken the narrative and the orthodoxies of the left as granted as Givens. And one by one began to think them through. So I did two things at once then. I realized this really is a culture war and I need to be a part of it.

What weapon, what tool, what skill do I possess that our side seems to be missing? And we just didn't have a Bill Maher for the right. We didn't have a John Stewart for the right. And so for the first time in 15 years, I put together a stand-up act, only this time with a purpose, I weaponized it. I was going to be the Bill Maher for the right. And I think I've accomplished that. In fact, if you wish, you can see my hour-long special called Evan Say It, a deplorable

mind on Amazon Prime. If you have Amazon Prime, it's free to Amazon Prime subscribers. At the same time, I began to seriously think of it. about why it is that good, smart, loving people, like my friends on the political left, reject fact and reason, and side only and always with evil, failing, and wrong. And I started to come up with this thought and this that I turned into a book eventually in a speech that I gave to the Heritage Foundation, which Andrew Breitbart called one of the five most important conservative speeches ever given.

And it remains 13 years later, the single most viewed lecture in their entire history. in which I explained how the modern liberal thinks. And that book, that speech catapulted me into legitimacy as a conservative political pundit. Where can we find that speech? That speech is on my website, evansayette.com. It's at heritage.org. I'll tell you how crazy popular that was. As it was going viral, National Review, Kathy Lopez, I think it was,

at National Review Online posted a bulletin. It said, this talk by Evan Sayett, and they linked to it, this talk by Evan Sayett is cramming our inboxes. Please stop sending it. Everybody was saying, I know, Kelo, Catherine Lopez. She's a wonderful, wonderful woman. And I love the idea that that was happening. That is so cool.

So what year was that? That was 2006 or 7. I think it was 2007. Right. March 14th of 3 p.m. And go to evansayet.com, sayy it. E.T.com. So that's one of the five most important political speeches that Breitbart ever knew about. I don't know what the others were, but he told me I had two of the top five. So we're very close.

Wow. So we've got three of the five between us. That's right. That's right. So keep going. So I give that talk. And when I do, I start to receive emails one after another after another with a very odd phrase in it. People kept saying, do you know what you have there? You've got the unified field theory. of liberalism. Once you understand what I said in that talk, you understand everything you need to know about why good, smart, decent people reject fact and reason and side with wrong. Now everybody's going to want to see this speech. It sounds a little bit like Dennis Prager. He does this kind of stuff. He's not quite as funny as you, but people need to go to evansayit.com. We're going to be right. Good. Back. Back. I forgot the word back. We'll be right back.

Folks, I'm talking to the author of a new book called The Woke Supremacy. Evan Say it, S-A-Y-E-T. Evan, is the woke supremacy nearly as funny as your other stuff? No, actually, I very much try to keep my serious, serious, and my funny, funny. I try to keep the two separate because, Eric, I make certain claims in my various works, my serious works, that if I was being a comedian, you might think it's hyperbole. You might say, oh, is he saying that just for the reaction?

For example, I legitimately argue that the modern liberal, now the woke, have been morally and intellectually stunted in their growth at the age of five. Why five? Because that's when they enter kindergarten and the machine gets a hold of them on a full-time basis for the first time.

But if I were being funny in my book, They say, oh, he just means they're immature. You know, he means, you know, but I don't. I mean, literally the age of five. So my serious works are serious and my comedic works are funny. So no pies in the face, no soupy-sailed schick in this book, The Woke Supremacy, all right? Well, important ideas sometimes have to be expressed seriously.

I've written a number of serious books myself. We know we love them. We read them. We have them all. That really does thrill me. I don't know. Now, how does a Jewish man? in Los Angeles come across my books.

Like that's just not, you know, my demographic. Well, that's not exactly true. First of all, you've been on the radio here. And also I... Now that you mention it, yep. I've long... Please, we're in... People don't understand this about Los Angeles,

but we have long been an intellectual hub of conservatism. Whether it's Dennis Prager and Prager You, whether it's Ben Shapiro on the Daily Wire, whether it's David Horowitz in the Freedom Center, whether it's my old friend of mine, Karen Sigmund. and the American Freedom Alliance.

Then there are freelance folks who are quite genius, including my friend Bill Whittle, if you know him at all. I only know his name, but that, you know, you're right. It's kind of amazing to think of L.A. as kind of an intellectual hub for anything, but you're absolutely right. Okay, we got to get to this book here. So you wrote The Woke Supremacy. Tell us about this book.

I hope people will buy copies. Tell us about it. Well, it's actually been called one of the three most important books of its time in American history. Now define time. You're talking on an afternoon or a longer period. The others are Thomas Payne's common sense at the time of the Revolutionary War. And Harry Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's cabinet at the time of the Civil War because it serves exactly the same purpose,

which is to provide the moral clarity, the actual issue that is going to require us to fight if we are in fact to fight, which I do believe. Now, who had it to Merity, the chutzpah, if you will, to compare the woke supremacy to Thomas Payne's common sense and Harry Beecher Stone. Numerous people. In fact, I will send you a whole list of the reviews this book has gotten. It's been called an essential element in our defense by Colonel Gordon Kukulu, author of Inside Gitmo.

And Kukulu hates everything. So that tells you right there. This is terrific. You laugh a little bit too much like Krusty the Crown. I'm getting a couple of it. The Wolf Supremacy is the title of the book. All right. So we know you're funny, but you.

obviously are also very serious. In this book, you get serious because you understand we're at a crucial moment in the history of the Republic. This is an existential crisis, no different than 1776 or 1860. I have actually said that myself many, many times because here we are and those with eyes to see see that we need to wake up. So the woke supremacy, I suppose, will help people to see where we are. That's what people from Sebastian Gorka, just all the way up and down the line, Kurt Schlichter at Hall. It has not received anything other than rave reviews with the exception of one or two trolls on Amazon who aren't even verified purchasers. People are recognizing this is not A, it is the book for exactly this moment. And Eric, I wrote it to be the book. I was sitting

home watching the riots break out, and I'm listening to the pundits, the politicians, even some of the participants. And none of them really seemed to know who the woke are, where. And they came from what they want, what they're willing to do to get it, and what will before humanity if somehow we continue to allow them to win. And so I sat down to do what I did with my earlier book, which was identified, which was described as the unified field theory of liberalism to put down the unified field theory of wokeism. And I believe I've accomplished that. And people can, of course, find it at evansayet.com, Evan, S-A-Y-E-T-com. And so, well, let's talk about some of the stuff in the book.

We don't have a ton of time, but let's cover some of the stuff. Most essentially, it has to be understood that wokeism is, in fact, a supremacist movement. The hallmark of a supremacist movement isn't that there's prejudice, isn't that there's bigotry, isn't that there's injustice. That's any society. The hallmarked, the defining trait of a supremacist movement is the belief that all rights, privileges, and protections of society. belong only to those who possess a supreme trait. Okay, so it's a fundamentally un-American, anti-American philosophy. And I pit American nationalism versus the supremacism, which also includes socialism,

because socialism is the system preferred by supremacists. Obviously, you want a handful of your people controlling everything. So do the woke believe? all rights, privileges and protection should belong only to the woke. They believe free speech, freedom of speech should belong only to those who are woke. If you're not woke, you should be disempowered and silenced. They believe freedom of assembly, freedom of association, due process. Eric, even the right to hold a job, they believe should belong not only only to the woke,

but to only those who are purely woke. Look at the story of the editor-in-chief at Teen Vogue, who was perfectly woke for the last so woke that she kept moving up through the ranks until it was discovered that 10 years ago as a child, she tweeted something unwoke and that was enough to see her disempowered and her voice literally silenced. Well, I hope she wakes up or some of them wake up. I mean, Teen Vogue is right out of the pit of hell, and I say that as a friend. But seriously, it's an amazing thing. You're absolutely right. Now, in your book, The Woke Supremacy, you talk about all this stuff with knowledge. Does it not fascinate you that many of our leaders in Congress and the Senate don't seem to understand these ideas and don't seem to understand that we need to take radical action to save the republic?

It's not wholly surprising because they do, in fact, live in a bubble. These people next to them are their colleagues and friends. They're not the ones setting fire to cities. They're not the ones. It's just how business is done in a collegial environment. And in fact, I wrote an article, which is the single most read article in town hall's entire history, called He Fights. Holy cow, he fights. All right, we're going to go to a break.

Is there anything you've done that has been mediocre? I think you need to, you fail. This is where you failed. Everything you do is great. Other than this show, no. We'll be right back. That was good. That was good.

It was so funny. We're going to keep you for another segment. Don't go away, folks. Folks, I'm talking to my former friend Evan Sayett, S. at S-A-Y-E-E-E-E-N-S-Y-T-com. Evan, the book is the woke supremacy. We really were just talking about the fact that the ruling class in America don't have a clue about how bad things are. And because of them, it's really up to us to fight. The people at the top, they're useless.

Indeed. But the other thing to keep to make notice of, to take notice of, is people in the middle and even at the bottom don't know how bad things are. What most people don't recognize is how close to paradise our greatest generation left America. We are the first peoples in all of human history to not really have to worry about disease, communicable disease, tricketpox, smallpox, polio, vanquished, vanquished, vanquished. We don't really have to worry about poverty. Even if you're begging for a dollar on the street, you can go to the 99 cent only store and get a TV dinner. You know, we're the only people to have never really had to worry about war because America had been so strong and our system had been so well embraced by so much of the world that that war, which was commonplace, commonplace from the beginning of time until recently is just not a consideration.

So I don't just think it's the elite who live in a bubble. I think it's a good many of the people born after World War II who simply have no idea that bad things can happen. Well, listen, we are tracking absolutely perfectly. You're taking words out of my mouth. Nonetheless, I mean, it's because of that that the elites can get away with not leading on this because people have elected foolish non-leaders, not just on the Democratic side, but on both sides. Indeed. Indeed. That sounded like something I was supposed to take and run with, but I mean, you nailed it.

Well, I mean, but it's just, it's so fascinating because you're quite right. I mean, I talk about this stuff all the time. And in fact, I want to send you a copy of my book, if you can keep it, which talks about a lot of this stuff. So when we get off the air, I'll get your address. But it's very important that we lay this out. So the woke supremacy is your book. People like lots of friends of mine, Dinesh D'Souza, Sebastian Gorka, they've all raved about it. And so I'm excited to have you on. What are you doing when you're not promoting your book? Oh, sleeping. I mean, it really is all either promoting my book, writing something more.

Partly because for the last year, I've been in quite literally, and I don't use the word literally, I believe the least in-demand profession in all of human history, public speaker during a global pandemic. Right. That's absolutely right. Yeah. You said you do a lot of sleeping. I want to remind my listeners, they need to go to mypillow.com.

Use the code Eric. Yes, mypillar.com. If you use the other codes, if you don't use Eric, it goes right into Nancy Pelosi's pocketbook and she gives it to her nephew Gavin Newsom. You want that to happen? No, you don't. So use the code Eric, mypillar.com. So look, you're in Los Angeles, but you said you spent a lot of time in Texas.

That's kind of healthy. I like that. It's actually the other way around these days. I live in Texas, but I spend a lot of time. time still in California, especially, look, I was 35 years in Los Angeles. So opportunities to speak, right now, I still have to convince people in Texas to hire me, whereas the people who know me here, so I'm hearing a little bit of a book tour. A little bit of, I love it. Well, I love the fact that you made time to stop by here. You are a new old friend, and we are, we want to have you back as soon as

possible just because I know we've only scratched the surface. I wanted people to hear your story, Evan, and I wanted to hear it myself. So it's wonderful that we got that out of the way. Now we can just talk about the woke supremacy the next time we come back. Folks, I don't want to forget to remind you church people is a film that's available at SalemNow.com. There's all kinds of stuff available at salemnow.com. You can check it out. If you use the code, Eric, who knows what will happen. Who knows? My pillow will send you slippers. Just use the code, Eric, and good things will happen. SalemNow.com.

Church people is the film. Folks, go to evansayet.com. It's S-A-Y-E-T-com. Get a copy of the woke supremacy. Evan, thank you so much for everything. We'd love to have you back as soon as we can. Eric, I'd love to come back quickly soon.