The Eric Metaxas Show - Father Calvin Robinson

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

Day 2 of Amfest and eric sits down with Father Calvin Robinson 

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And the wonderful thing about being at Amfest, there's several wonderful things, but one of the wonderful things is you get to meet people whom you have wanted to meet. For example, I'm sitting here with one father, Calvin Robinson, who comes to, to us from the UK, whom I have been following for quite some time. Did you know that I was following you? I didn't. No, you're very kind. It's frightening, isn't it? It's very frightening to be followed. I've been turning around looking behind me. I saw a shadowy figure. I didn't know who it was. It was I. It was I all along. So you, the reason that I have been following you is because you've been a brave voice in the church in England speaking against what we know. call wokeery.

Right. I don't know what we used to call it. Liberalism. The satanic mysteries. Thank you. And you, so, but I want your story. So Calvin Robinson, father, Robinson. You, where did you grow up?

Mansfield, Nottingham, Shirt Forest. Robin Hood Country. Robin Hood Country. I grew up with a green felt hats and a bow and arrow in my hands. Right. Just climbing trees. And you, you, you, well, you, were you,

raised as a Christian? Nominally. In the same way that most people are in England now. I asked my mother what religion are we. She's a church of England. I don't really know what that means. We went to church for Easter and Christmas and special occasions.

My grandparents went to church, but my mom's generation didn't really go to church. But that's countrywide. Yeah. Oh, no, I know. Listen, I'm an American, and I'm aware of this. There are many Americans who would say, well, I'm a Christian,

which means I'm not a Muslim. I'm not quite an atheist, and church is nice at Christmas or Easter or whatever. And, you know, these are people clearly who aren't sure what they believe, and there are many people like that. But, Eric, that's changed from my mother's generation to my generation. So where my mother's generation in England would all say, we're a church of England, we're Christian. Now the default answer is nothing. I'm nothing. And the census reflects them.

And I believe in nothing. The agnostic and the atheists have taken over the Christians for the first time in our country's history. Well, I don't want to talk about me and my books, but I don't. I want to share with you. I wrote a book called Is Atheism Dead? Because it strikes me that the new atheists were so full of baloney. I'm trying to put it kindly. Yeah, yeah.

That when I really read their stuff, I was absolutely astonished at the intellectual vacuousness. It was a staggering discovery for me to realize how they had less than nothing to say. It was nonsense once you got past the first sentence. and the idea that so many people have been taken in by it, I really think that there are many, many people that are hungry for truth or whatever it is or God. And I have good news, folks. The facts point dramatically against atheism on a level that is almost impossible to overstate. It's just preposterous.

But nonetheless, you live in a country which even more than America, where many people think that saying I'm an atheist or I believe in nothing, sense. It doesn't make sense. But what is your story? How did it happen for you that you became a man of faith? You want my testimony. I suppose. So I used to go to churches with friends and family and experience different settings.

So Pentecostal, Baptist, non-denominational, all kinds of things. But nothing really hit home. I met lots of nice people. It didn't really do anything for me. I didn't feel anything. I didn't get it. And what I realized looking back is I was searching for Christ, but not seeing. him. So I always felt that. That could be a problem. It can be a massive problem. That could be a problem

to go to church and not find Christ. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So when did he come into your life? Through the Eucharist. Through Holy Communion. This is what I love is everybody has different stories. There's so many different conversion stories and some people are very hidebound and they insist that it has to happen this way or this way or this way. For me it happened in a dream. The Lord spoke to me a dream around my 25th birthday for you had happened around the Eucharist well he speaks to us in ways that he knows we will understand right amen different for every person yeah but yes i mean i didn't understand the liturgy i didn't understand the theology but i knew that this was important and i knew that i felt the presence of christ in in that moment when was that oh goodness uh when i was first

teaching so we're talking teaching what computer science you were teaching computer science yeah so how did you stumble uh onto the eucharist where what was the context so the school The schools that I were teaching in were Church of England schools. So we'd go to church on a Monday morning, all the children in church, to set them up for the week. And I thought, this is great. This is, so it's not just about their academic ability. It's also about their character. Yeah.

We're forming young people. So, of course, we want them to be good people, not just smart people. And so I went to church on Sunday as well. And I thought, this is, this is marvelous. So I went to a Holy Communion Service, and that's where I felt inspired. So in the Church of England, what kind of a view of the Eucharist do they have in the Church of England? They don't believe in transubstantiation? What do they call it? Well, I mean, some people do.

Some do. Tradition that I'm from would say we all agree that it's the real presence. Some would say consubstantiation. Some would say transubstantiation. Some would say an incarnational theology of if Christ can be truly God and truly man. The host can be truly bred and truly Christ. It doesn't have to change from bread to Christ. So the Church of England is, as you know, a model of different theologies.

That's putting it very, very graciously, Calvin. But you, it's interesting. I wrote a biography of Luther, and it was the first time in my life that I looked more deeply into the various views of the Eucharist. And I was so fascinated because Luther has such a extremely high view of the Euchar.

And it's so interesting how, you know, next thing you know, everybody has stumbled into, oh, it's a symbol, and, you know, we know what Flannery O'Connor said about that. And it's interesting to me that, many people have had this sacred experience with God through the Eucharist, which would tell you that it's meant to be more than a symbol. Well, the church would say that the Eucharist is the source and summit of the Christian faith.

And I think that's why the enemy has been working so long to break down our understanding of it. So I think pretty much every reformer, you could probably back with up, pretty much every reformer was more Catholic in their understanding of the Eucharist than the first Protestants today. Dramatically. I mean, it's fascinating to me. grew up in the Greek Orthodox Church, which of course has a very high view of communion, the Eucharist, and it's sacred. It's a sacred thing. And we ought to have places in our lives for the sacred. And when everything becomes a symbol and, you know, jolly, chummy, we really forget that there are things that are sacred.

I mean, Christ said, take, eat, this is my body. He didn't say, take, eat, do this symbolically to represent my body. Well, there's the moment I describe it in my Luther book, but this moment when Luther pulls away the tablecloth and he has written, he was having debate with, I don't know, was it Zwingli? I can't even remember anymore, but I don't remember what's in my books,

but he is, and it says, hawkest corpumayum, you know, this is my body, is, not represents, is, and it's just fascinating. In any event, so you were, I traveled to Volus, But I'm not really

Luther obviously translated the Bible. You can see the ink stain on the wall where you threw the ink pot. They say that. That's not true. That's total nonsense. Is it really? Oh, I think it's nonsense.

Yeah. I mean, look, I'd be happy if it were true. But the problem is, I wish I had a copy of my Luther book to give you, but I didn't set out to debunk anything, but because I want the truth to be known, it struck me that when Luther said I'm fighting the devil with ink, you know, he meant by writing.

Right. That makes sense. throwing an ink pot at the devil who appeared in my room. Right. And there's a lot of folk legends that rose up around Luther, and I thought, you know, if you know the truth, it's better to know the truth. The truth works even better than the legends and stuff. So there's a lot of that kind of stuff around Luther.

But in any event, you, you said a moment ago that it was the Eucharist. So what happened for you? Here you are not really much of a believer. you're kind of going through these motions and you're in a chapel service and what happens? That's when I was filled with the Holy Spirit. That's when I realized that this is the most important thing, not just in my life, but in life.

It was a mystical moment. Yeah, absolutely. From that point in time, I realized that I had to center everything on this, on this moment, on the Holy Communion, on the Eucharist, on the Mass. And I realized that teaching computer science isn't meaningless, but it's not what I should be doing. I should be teaching people about the importance of this moment. And so ever since then, that's what I've been doing.

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Father, properly. Right, too, should speak properly. now in the game. Yes, thank you. This is why I'm here in America. Teach Americans to speak English. Yes, well, no, I really love... My problem is that when I'm around someone

who speaks as you do, I feel like my accent is simply wrong, and I ought to adopt your pronunciations, which would be very, very insecure indeed, would it not? So, even saying indeed in that way, is I'm already leaning... Aluminium.

Yeah, aluminum, and on and on and on it goes. So let's continue. What year was it that you had this experience where, as you put it, the Holy Spirit confronts you with the reality of himself? So that would have been, what, 2014? So almost 10 years ago.

So that's quite recent. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, I saw a blood post that from about 15 years ago where I reread it recently because some of my detractors found it and launched it at me. I realized my thinking was very, not even agnostic, my thinking was quite atheist before that point. So I've certainly come a long way in my faith journey.

It's interesting to me. I wrote a book about miracles, and forgive me for constantly referencing my books, but everything I'm interested in, I wrote a book about, I guess, at this point, so I can't help it. But I wrote a book about miracles because I think there are many people, many of them Christians, who are unaware of the reality of God in the miraculous. They seem to live in a world where it's just this intellectual construct. I'm a Christian because I believe these things intellectually, but they forget that God is alive

and that he often uses the miraculous. And you had a miraculous encounter with the living God. There are people like that, but I don't think I was like that. I always knew God the Father. I didn't know him as the Father,

but I always knew God. And I knew he existed. I didn't just believe it. I knew it. And I felt his presence. I felt he answered my prayers. That's very different to know Christ the person. So I always pray,

it always felt the answer. Some small miracles that I won't go into because it's very intimate and personal. But I didn't have a form for my faith. I didn't have an order. I didn't have a religion. Yeah. Yeah. A religion in the good sense. Yes. Some people have mere religion and with no God. But I think that, so this happened for you nine years ago. What time of year was it? Well, I suppose it must have been September, because it was a being... So in 2014, that's just extraordinary to me that it's that recent.

Yeah, yeah. And so you pretty quickly, it seems to me, figured out that you would, wanted to take holy orders, something along those lines? Yeah, yeah. So I started discerning. I started very cautiously speaking to priests that I trusted, said I might feel called to do something in some kind of ministry. And then I got into the process of the church had to affirm my discernments and my calling. Who did you start reading?

Were you, did you read C.S. Lewis? Did you read Chesterton? What were the things that you... I did read Lewis, yes. Leah Christianity, which is a book I always recommend to my confluence. I read Aquinas, a lot of Aquinas. I suppose I went back to the church fathers because the priest that I trusted said go back to the source. So I went to the Bible and the fathers rather than trying to look at anyone more contemporary.

That's one of the great failures of the evangelical church in America is the unfamiliarity with the early church and with the church fathers. It's a great pity. Yeah. Whenever I speak, whenever I write, whenever I write, whenever I'm. I'd go back to them. I return to the scriptures and the fathers and try to see what the church tradition teaches. Yeah. Because we don't want you to reinvent the wheel, do we?

No, no, certainly not. So you... You could have got a Bonhoffer plug in there, by the way. What's that? You could have got your Bonhofer book plug in there as well. How? Well, in referring back, that's his all... What he did, right? Well, yes, it's one of the reasons that I love Bonhoffer.

I mean, in some ways I came to faith because of Bonhofer. Because I was raised in the Greek Orthodox Church, but really lost whatever minimal faith I had at Yale. And that's, of course, what those elite institutions are designed to do is to make you a woke Marxist, Nincompoop. And I had a mystical experience. And I remember the man who was talking to me about Jesus,

my dear friend Ed Tuttle, gave me a copy of the cost of discipleship, and started telling me about Bonhoeffer. And I was so fascinated with Bonhofer. And it is interesting how God just wants to continually point us back, back, back. Yes, yes. And it's not to stay in the past. It's look for the tradition to go forward into the future. Yeah.

Well, so you have now become a voice, a bold voice, against the woke madness in England. When did that begin to happen for you? Was that from the beginning, or is that something that happened in the last few years? Yeah, so that was prior to all of this. So while I was teaching, I was writing about what I was seeing in education, the left-wing indoctrination. Oh, so you were onto this even before you had this experience with God. Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

And I always put my name to everything I wrote because I saw so many secret teachers. I thought it lost credibility. Yeah. What I'm seeing is not good. I need people to know, but I need them to know it's true, and it's coming from a valid source. Yeah. And so I started writing, and that started getting picked up by the papers and the radio and then the TV. Yeah.

And all of this is at the time that I'm finding my faith. and so I moved away from education into the faith. You know, when you walked in here today, I almost didn't recognize you, because you've had a very dramatic haircut. Yes, this is tonsure. This is tonsure? Yes.

Okay, it used to be an afro. Yes, yes. So was there a reason that you got your haircut shorter? Yeah, so you know how the monks used to shave that? Oh, so you're not even joking, you're serious. No, it's so soldier. So before I got ordained to the priesthood, I wanted to show a sign of humility and commitment to God.

And lots of people said, but your Afro is your character, So it's your trademark, and I thought, well, that's great reason for it to be my Afro. Because I don't need a trademark. When people see me, I don't want them to see me. I want them to see Christ. So that was why. Okay.

I had no idea. That's so interesting. Well, so then you were on to the nonsense of the left and the indoctrination, which is Marxist, critical race theory, fundamentally anti-Christian. Let's be blunt. Yeah. You were on to this long before you, God came into your life, and you've been really quite vocal. That's how I came to know you.

I've seen you online, seen your posts and things. And where do you sense things are right now? Not good. So when I started writing, I started writing about what I was seeing because I knew it was wrong. And now that I have the faith, I'm writing about what we should be doing instead. Yeah. And we need to put the faith back into education. We need to put faith back into world everything, of course.

Christ should be the centre of everything. But it has been missing for so long in the public square, in education, in academia, in judiciary, legislative. So it's all crumbling. The foundation has been removed, and so everything's falling apart. I think England is probably a few miles ahead of the US in terms of collapsing. Right. I think the law stand will probably be here actually in the state for Christendom. for Western civilization.

Yeah. Well, we're in it now, and, you know, the Lord's will be done. So I'm constantly exhorting people to fight. We've made a film called Letter to the American Church. I wrote a book called Letter to the American Church, and we've made a film called Letter to the American Church, in which I am trying to do what Bonhofer was doing. In fact, it's really the voice of Bonhofer.

It's not my voice. Trying to exhort the church to be the church. to stand in the public square, to stop hiding in the church buildings, and to bring the truth of God into every sphere. The Dutch theologian Abraham Kuiper famously said, there's not one square inch of all creation, over which Jesus Christ, who is sovereign, does not say mine. And you just said it, that when you begin to take God out,

everything falls apart. There is just no way, if you are reality-based or truth-based, and you take God out, what have you got left? the snake swallowing its own tail. You've got nothing. But what's interesting me, what gives me hope, Calvin, is that I think many people are beginning to see the fruits of the madness. In other words, they're seeing the evilness of evil in a way that we have not recently,

or we have not in the last decade seen it as clear. And when you see the evleness of evil, you say, ah, okay, perhaps then we need God. Yeah, the devil is getting cocky. He's overconfident. There you go. He's overplaying his hand, and that's leading people to Christ. Imagine the devil being prideful. Right.

But people are seeing so much evil around them. They're saying they must be in opposite to this. There must be a goodness. And I think they're finding God because of it. No, that's exactly what I've been saying. I think it's true. And that's what gives me hope. Yeah.

That there are indeed people waking up. There are many, you know, pagans, good people who are looking around and saying, you know, there's no other word for it. It seems like this is evil, what I'm seeing. That the craziness, it's not just political. difference is it seems like evil and I've never seen evil in my lifetime I've just been you know we've been living in America we're very blessed and everything's great and but I'm seeing something that nothing if I'm solving for X it's evil right and if evil is the problem then there's only one answer

yes there are many people coming yes there are many people coming to faith yeah as a result and we do have that hope that you mentioned and that's something that that's the difference between Christians and conservatives yeah that we have that hope well that I was going to say that's that's right and this is why conservative need to understand where does your conservatism and where do your values come from? I got to tell you, there's only one place, the God of the Bible, that's where it comes from. And if you divorce your values and your principles from the God of the Bible, you're going to end up having no values.

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they read my book letter to the American church, and they said, you need to do a letter to the UK church, a letter to the right, and I said, well, I would rather just have an addition of letter to the American Church published, and I said, maybe we could get somebody like Father Calvin Robinson to write a foreword or something to it, because the principles are the same.

It's pretty basic, that the church needs to be the church. I mean, I would be happy to do that, because I think the church does need to be the church. The church needs to embrace its mission goal, which is, well, first of all, to disciple the nation, but secondly, to welcome and embrace sinners, to teach them to repent and to sin no more, to have faith in Christ.

You didn't say repent. Shame on you. No, it's so beautiful to hear you say that. It's so simple. It's so true. And it's the mission of the church. But again, if you don't speak the truth, then how can you call people to repent?

If you want people affirm people in their sins, Jesus did not affirm people in the sense. He loved them too much to do such a thing. And people think the church has changed its teaching. The church cannot change its teaching. It stopped teaching. Just today, as we're speaking, a major figure in the Church of England says,

repentance isn't a salvation issue. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Say that again. Repentance is not a salvation issue. You're kidding. That's a new gospel. That's not the gospel I was taught. Yeah.

The gospel is very simple. Repent of your sins, have faith in Christ. That's the gospel of Judas. That's amazing. Right. Well, so isn't it staggering to see people fall over themselves, really, to be relevant to it? It's, I mean, we've got a lot of that. the United States, but it is, it's lamentable, and we have to speak boldly, but graciously, against it.

It's a lack of love. Because if you love people, you don't want them to be downed. Let's face it. You want them to have eternal salvation in Jesus Christ. And in order to get that, they need to know the truth. They need to know what he is the truth. And to get to him, they have to repent of their sins. That's all we need to tell them.

I have so many friends in the Catholic Church who are just horrified. at Pope Francis and are horrified at so many of the bishops who don't seem to believe the most fundamental doctrines of the church. So in England, the Church of England is imploding. It's gone entirely woke. You know, it's got St. Sex blessings and all of this stuff. But the Catholic Church isn't stepping in to fill the void. And I wish they would. I wish there would stand up and say, this is the truth, as it has always been. We have a catechism. We have a Bible. Come along. But then they're not. They're sticking the heads in the sand and saying, We don't want to be too noisy, we don't want to be too offensive. The truth is scandalous. Yes, the truth is scandalous.

Which is why when you have to be louder about it. Where's Justin Welby in this? I pray for his conversion, I really do. Is it that bad? Yeah, it is that bad. That's not good. I think he's a liberal or he's surrounded by liberals and he doesn't have the courage to tell them no.

When the Church of England is officially sanctioning, you know, just this week to... Maybe you have to tell my audience who Justin Welby is. So Justin Welby is the Archbishop. of Canterbury. He is the first two female priests in the Church of England have had their same-sex union blessed with these new blessings of same-sex. I don't believe that Justin Welby thinks that's okay. Is it that he simply thinks it's impolitic to speak against it? Because I do not believe that he would think that that's okay. If he saw it for the evil that it is, he would do everything he could in his power to stop it. He has a lot of influence and he hasn't stopped it.

You know, he said, I will abstain from the from the vote on same-sex blessings. He can't abstain. Okay, but so that tells you something. So he would abstain, but he won't speak against it. So he thinks that there's some safe third way by... There's one way, but we know who that is. This is the problem.

The laity said, we don't want this. The clergy said, we don't want this. The bishop says, we're going to have this. Same-sex blessings in the state's church. Essentially saying gay marriage, but with other words. Well, that's precisely what is happening in the Vatican. In other words, this idea that, well, we won't comment on it. Well, if you don't comment on it, you've made your comment.

Well, the Vatican released a statement also this week on same six blessings. I didn't know that. Mental gymnastics, they're not saying you can bless six unions, but they're saying, well, you can bless them, but make sure you're not blessing them. It doesn't look like it's liturgical. Like, what's a non-liturgical blessing? So then why bless them?

Yeah, this is really sick. It is sick. Let's just be blunt. This is really, really sick. The Western Church is sick. Well, there's no doubt about it. And again, it's why I wrote my book letter to the American Church, because I thought to myself, my goodness, look, there's always been a holy remnant, and we need the holy remnant to stand

and to bring others into the holy remnant and to be counted. I think it's cross-denomination. I think this is why people like you and I have to get together and all the people out there watching this. We have to come together in our orthodoxy to fight liberalism, which is the evil of Satanism. you on that. I'm not a denomination

list. I have to say that this goes across denominations. And there are people in most actual Christian denominations who see this and who are fighting in their spheres. But it is really an existential battle at this point that we've got to fight

and I, as I say in my book letter to the American Church, the German church thought that it could take a safe third path. They could in effect not vote. Like we're just going to stand and see what happens. Well, when you do that, silence in the face of evil

is itself evil. You are partnering with evil, but you fool yourself into thinking that you're not. So when you talk about Justin Welby, not voting, I think, well, what do you think is happening when you don't vote? Where do you think it's going to go? Let me ask you a question about the Germans as well,

because they're the ones in the Vatican, well, in Rome, pushing for same-sex blessings, pushing for a female priest. Why does heresy always begin in Germany? You know what? I am half German, and I have no idea. All I know is that there are good Germans like Dietrich Bonhofer who see it, who call it out, who are willing to die for their faith,

willing to die for what they believe in. And by the way, if you're not willing to die for your faith, do you have faith? Yeah, yeah. That's the question, isn't it? Where can people find you online as our website? Calvin Robinson.com or Calvin Robinson.substack.com. We'll be right back. Tell me why Relief Factor is so successful at lowering or eliminating

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Actual people who are enslaved in Africa, this is a real thing. And the best news is we can do something about it. I cannot think of a greater Christmas gift than to tell somebody, in your name, I freed a slave. My guest right now to talk about that is our friend Kevin McCullough, who's had a lot of experience with CSI. Kevin, tell my listeners about this. Well, you know, just to put it into some perspective that might be drawn from current events, the slaves that we're talking about in Sudan were taken as hostages from naked invasions that nobody saw coming and most everyone were taken by surprise.

and that sounds very similar to what happened when Hamas invaded Israel not long ago. And it was a similar thought. There were Arab Islamic jihadis that came from northern Sudan in that region during their civil war, raided towns, raped women, took children away from their families, took them as hostages, took them back to the north where they lived, were unmercifully cruel to them, repeatedly sexually assaulted, to them, had them do some of the things that they did to the Israeli women. They cut out their genitals. They did other things to these children and to these women that were just heinous and obscene. And as the war was going on between the north and the south in Sudan when it was one

country, the world didn't get too involved. They didn't get their hands too messy with any of that. But when they came to the conclusion that that war was going to be, it was going to last forever if we didn't step in. They created two different countries, Sudan and South Sudan, and they gave the Christians their liberty in South Sudan and said, you are free. In northern Sudan, you get to be the Arab sinkhole that you are. And what they've done in the meantime is ignored. At the time, nearly 185,000 spoils of war by way of human slaves that had been taken. So if you saw that footage of those girls being taken hostage by Hamas, Mas, these are the people that had the same ideology, the same mentality in their mind when they took these young ladies from South Sudan. Now, that was at the end of the Civil War in Sudan. What has happened since then is that Christian Solidarity International, working with specifically the Christian community here in America, we have seen the liberation of more than 135,000 of those original 185,000 slaves. And we are starting, this is exciting, Eric, for the first.

time to start also be able to retrieve some of their children that they had while in slavery and in captivity and get them released and freed as well. But it's a very simple process. You give a gift, it's $250. That $250 basically covers what they need to live their life going forward. So once the slave is liberated, they go to the border of South Sudan where a CSI kind of camp is at where they can receive medical care, psychological counseling, any types of nutritional boosting and stuff that they need. They get intensive recovery time in this camp. Then when they are able to travel, they are given what's called the bag of hope.

And the Ag of Hope includes everything they need to start their life over again. And that's the bulk of what your gift is for $250. In that bag, you get food for a year. And it doesn't all fit in the bag, by the way. You get food for a year. You get seed for another year. You get tarps and utensils and things that you need to help make a life for yourself. And kind of the last thing they give you before you shove off to go back to your home area is they bring out a little kid goat on a rope and you get to take a little kid goat with you that's going to grow up and give you milk and cheese.

It will provide more goats that you can sell as a micro enterprise business for yourself. And we've now seen that happen in more than 125,000 cases of those slaves being released. and due to, in large measure, the Eric Metaxus audience in recent years, even thousands more have been liberated. That's what happens with your $250. It is the work of bringing the slaves home, the hostages home. They're bringing them across the border and saying, we're going to give you new life. And if you thought that the prodigal son narrative in the New Testament is amazing, you should be in these towns when some of these slaves return home. They literally throw a party for a week to honor the homecoming of a slave that had been taken captive, that had their lives ruined in many ways.

But now they're home and now the community is back together again and they celebrate like there's no tomorrow. So the sadness that they feel on one level is so deep and so despairing. But the joy of being reunited with their family is equally compelling and celebratory. And that's what you make happen when you give that gift to CSI. Folks, you need to go to Metaxistalkystalk.com. You'll see the banner right at the top. And this is something I want to exhort everyone to do for Christmas. This is just an absolutely unmitigated good thing.

There is nothing about this that is other than glorious. This is so beautiful that out of the goodness of our hearts and out of our own treasure, because we are so blessed in this country, we get to give to do something, the literal freeing of slaves. setting them up in a life of freedom, I always say that it's hard for me to believe that this kind of evil is happening. But then when I see it, it's unbearable until I realize, oh, God has opened a door that we can do something about this. Folks, I don't know how you wouldn't want to do something about this. This is just a heavenly, heavenly opportunity. Metaxistococ.com is our radio website

at the top of the page, you'll see the banner. Whatever you give, whatever you give goes to this. Kevin just said, $250 is the amount they're looking for that does everything to free someone and to set them up and so on and so forth. You can give $1,000, you can give $10,000, you can give $100, whatever it is you can do. But we just want everyone this Christmas to do this, to do it now, folks. We'd appreciate that. Metaxus talk.com.

I'm Kevin McCullough. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. Folks, right now in other parts of the world, people's lives are being threatened simply for believing in Jesus. People have been enslaved for their faith. So listeners to this show know that I'm passionate about the work of Christian Solidarity International because they protect and free those who are being persecuted and enslaved for their Christian faith. I've got to thank you for your life-changing generosity for years now. if you've given a CSI through this program, you have played a role in freeing literally thousands of captives. So as we near the end of this year, can I ask you to give once again your gift of just $250 will free a woman in Sudan who has been enslaved for years?

You can buy a believer's freedom and provide her with food and other supplies necessary to start her new life. Just $250. Maybe you can give more and free more people. Call 888-253-3522, 888-252. 888-253-3522 or go to metaxistocotocot.com. Please do it metaxistock.com. I continue my conversation with Calvin Father, Calvin Robinson. I just want to say again how happy I am to finally have met you and to hear your heart

and your mind on these important issues of our time. It's wonderful that you're here in the United States as part of Amfest, that you're going to be on a panel, which I guess I'm going to miss because I have other things to do. But what will you be discussing on the panel? Well, I don't know. I was supposed to be on a panel discussing removing wokeness from the church. Yes. My flight got delayed yesterday, so I missed the panel.

And this is a good opportunity to talk about the enemy infiltrating us and disrupting us and preventing us from doing good works. Yeah. Well, this really is, as I was saying, the subject of my book, Letter to the American Church. And so we have to stay in touch because, Maybe we will do an English, a UK version of the book. Where do you live now? I'm in London.

You are in London. I've heard of it. I believe that's right in the middle of the country someplace. We want to do a number of Socrates in the city events. I do something called Socrates in the city. And we want to do a number of them in London. I believe this summer, so we need to get your information. Absolutely.

So we can have a conversation in Mary Old England together. And it's so interesting to me because, I have a number of friends in London and in England. My wife's family is from there. We have strong roots there. And it's a funny thing as an American. I was an English major in college. I feel that it is my mother country.

When I go there, the literature and so much that's there is the antecedent of what we have here. And so there's a strong connection between American. It was founded on Christ, right, on Christian principles, you know, from our common law, which was the Ten Commandments, through to our judiciary, our legislative, all of it. And the state church is a state church for a reason, so that we have a moral compass in our lawmaking and in our representatives, our House of Representatives. And all of that, I think, was copying paste into America, but kind of codified in your constitutions. Not necessarily your United States constitution, all the elements of it there, but the individual states in their constitutions, how Christian they were. is a good, good thing. Yeah, and there's no getting around it.

Right. I mean, I've written about this in other books. There is no getting around it. You cannot have self-government. You cannot have respect for the individual. All of this stuff comes from Scripture. Yeah. And so the idea that you can have it without God,

without rooting it in the Bible, ladies and gentlemen, I'm here to tell you, we can't force you to believe in the God of the Bible, but you cannot pretend that these things can arise in a vacuum, that these things can arise if you reject God. Where do you get the idea that any of things, that right is right and wrong is wrong? Where do you get any of those ideas if it's not rooted in the God of the Bible? And I challenge people.

I mean, you and I both know that there are people, you know, the new atheists were famous for this. They would just make these assertions based on absolutely nothing. But even people on our side, conservatives who would say, so, you know, the Satan statue in the temple was crushed, people would say, yes, but it's protecting them. private property or its destruction of whatever this and that. People who class themselves as Christian conservatives, we're making an idol of the rules that are supposed to govern

whether we are being good or evil. And that's based on the Bible. That's based on God himself who revealed the truth to us. If someone is worshipping Satan, it's our duty to destroy that idol. We have a God-given duty to lead people to him and away from Satan. Isn't it fascinating? Because I think most common-sense Americans are thrilled. that this U.S. veteran destroyed this demonic, literally demonic idol. But there are many people who are straining at a gnat to swallow a camel. They are, you know, they probably literally, you know, tithe their herbs or herbs, as you might put it. They are so obsessed with the minutia of certain, that sometimes they don't see.

Well, it's farceical. The forest for the trees. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah. It's following the law without taking on board the context of the law. Well, I know we're out of time. Where can people find you? Calvin Robinson.com. Oh, my goodness. It's so simple.

Calvin Robinson, or as you put it, Calvin Robinson. But it's spelled the same. We must stay in touch. I will reach out to you about Socrates in the city in London. What a joy it will be to see you there. God bless you. God bless you.