The Eric Metaxas Show - Frank Turek (Encore)

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

Eric sits down with author Frank Turek to discuss his new bok "Correct, Not Politically Correct"

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Here now is the handsome, attractive, striking, gorgeous and quite frankly breathtaking Eric Mat, Texas. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the show. I am excited because I have a friend on today who is

a Christian apologist. Have you heard that term? An apologist. No, no, no. He's not apologizing. As a Greek, I know the word apology. The original meaning is apolloja of words.

of understanding. So to be an apologist is to make a defense like a lawyer would for the faith. And Frank Turek is the author of many, many books. He's the president of cross-examined. You can go to cross-examined.org. And Dr. Frank Turek has a new book out, excited to have him to discuss the new book. It's called Correct, Not Politically. correct about same-sex marriage and transgenderism. Dr. Frank Turek, welcome to the program. The great, Eric Metaxis. How are you, my friend? Unbelievable that you have a stadium-sized crowd in your little office there. That's very impressive. Thank you. I got to tell you, seriously, you know, we're friends, and I just enjoy whenever I get

to bump into you and talk to you. But you are really prolific. You keep coming out with these extraordinary books. And the new one, unfortunately, is very important about same-sex marriage and transgenderism. So as believers, as, you know, those of us who say, I'm a Christian, how do I understand this? You have written a book to help with that. Because unfortunately, you know that there seems to be some confusion about how we're supposed to deal with this. So what is the principal thesis of the book before we get into the details. Well, actually, this goes all the way back to 2008, Eric, when I saw that same-sex marriage was being more and more accepted and a lot of people didn't know why they shouldn't accept same-sex

marriage. And so I wrote the first edition of this book back in 2008. And it's not a book filled with Bible verses. This is the natural law medical case against same-sex marriage and now transgenderism, because, as you know, that has come out even more in recent years. And so the third edition of this book just was released about a month ago. And it's got a brand new section on this transgender issue because as you've spoken about, Eric, when you're talking about Letter to the American Church, is that pastors don't even seem to want to touch this issue.

And if pastors aren't going to touch this issue, who is? Well, ironically, Eric, there have been atheists. that are talking more about this issue. People like Bill Maher, people like Richard Dawkins, people like Douglas Murray, who actually are not Christians, but they're saying there's a big problem here, and we need to speak out against it.

And it's really a stain on the American church that the church hasn't spoken out about it, Eric. So anyway, this book, Not Politically Correct, is the third edition, and it's not quote in Bible verses. It's there to show you from a natural law medical perspective why both same-sex marriage and transgenderism are not good for individuals or societies. It's so interesting to me what you just mentioned, how we have non-believers, people who are not Christians,

who seem to see clearly the problems with transgenderism and are talking about that. And, of course, most extraordinarily, you have gay, people who identify as gay, who are conservative, speaking out against the transgender madness. So they don't identify as Christians. They identify as gays. But they say, wait a minute, we were not advocating for this. This is lunacy. I was literally with Douglas Murray last night at a dinner here in New York City.

I was with Brandon Strock here in New York recently. Both of them identify as gay. Both of them are conservatives. and both of them are totally outspoken about the transgender lunacy. So obviously we disagree on some pretty basic stuff. But on this, many people who are not Christians see the madness, are speaking out about it. And as you just said, many in the church are silent.

And this is the scandal. And that's why I wrote my book letter to the American church. But I don't go deep into this issue. You, my friend, Mr. Apologist, Dr. Frank Turek, you get into this. So I do want to get into it with you from a biblical perspective. And I want to be clear, too, when you say natural law perspective, ladies and gentlemen, that's a biblical perspective.

We're just not talking about quoting scripture verses. We're talking about logically talking from a biblical viewpoint. But how are we supposed to approach this? Well, first of all, let's talk about whether or not love requires approval. I always ask parents, because, you know, our culture somehow thinks, Eric, that love requires approval that if you want to love me, you have to approve of what I do. And I always ask parents, if you approve of everything your kid wants to do when he or she is 13, are you a loving parent?

Of course not. You need to stand in the way of evil to love people. And we, even in the church, have bought into the lie that to love people, we have to approve of what they do. No, we don't approve of what they do if we love them, if they're doing evil. This is why Paul says, by the way, in the passage, Eric, that everybody reads it. their wedding but nobody obeys that love always protects that love does not rejoice in wrongdoing love rejoices in the truth that love always perseveres how do you protect people when other people want to do evil or when they themselves want to do evil you call them out on it and that of course is what i'm

trying to do and correct not politically correct that's what you're trying to do in letter to the american church we're trying to tell people that if you love people you will speak out against this evil in fact Jesus himself said it would be better to have a millstone hung around your neck than to leave one of these little ones astray. And Eric, that's what we're doing. That's what I document in, correct, not politically correct. We are actually trying to transition minors. We're mutilating their genitals. We are giving them puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones that are making them old men and old ladies way before their time, sterilizing them. And we're calling this love. this is not love this is evil and we need to stand against it and if douglas mary can stand against it

if richard dawkins can stand against it if my friend dave reuben i just did a uh a show with him down in miami just a couple of weeks ago you know he identifies as gay too if he can stand against it where are the pastors where are the christians where are the common sense people eric what are we doing we're allowing this and on our watch and and and we're silent we can't be silent anymore well i i i uh you know in my book letter to the American Church, I'm trying to reach those pastors and Christians who are kind of on the fence, who are confused, who don't know what to do so they're being quiet.

And it's why I love you, because you help us understand why we need to speak out. I mean, I talk about it a little bit, but you go into depth to explain the biblical worldview, God's idea of sexuality, transgenderism. Now, what's interesting to me, me, Frank, is of course scripture isn't silent on transgenderism, right? I mean, right in the beginning of Genesis, we are created in God's image male and female. Very, very clear.

There are only two genders. So when somebody puts out this idea, which they came up with 10 minutes ago, oh yeah, there are all these many, many genders, you want to say, where did you get that from? You don't need to be a Christian to know that's preposterous. You don't need to know that, you don't need to be a Christian to know that a rooster cannot lay an egg. Everybody from the beginning of time has understood that there are two gender. So that's number one. But number two, you know the passage where Paul talks about who will inherit the kingdom of God. And the scripture, you know, when you look at the Greek, you get different translations.

It says homosexual, Sodomite, sometimes it says effeminate, whatever. what it's referring to there in that first word has to do with those men who blur the line, who feminize themselves. And it makes it very clear that that is wrong. And so it's interesting. The scripture is not silent on these things. There's plenty in scripture about this, whether you're looking at the Old Testament or the New Testament. So that's why it's all the more shocking in a sense that Christian pastors and leaders

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That's LegacyPMinvestments.com. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to my friend, Dr. Frank Turrick. You can find him at cross-examined.org. he is on 180 radio stations per week. The show podcast is called I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. So, Frank, let's keep talking about this. How do we know there are only two genders?

How do you know? How do I know? How do we know this? Let's just leave the Bible out of it for just a minute. Let's just look at the natural design of the body. The natural design of the body proves there are only two genders. genders, Eric, because look, if you're a human being, and by this way, this is true in all mammals, you can only produce either a sperm or an egg.

There's no third category. And anybody that can't produce a sperm or an egg, that's an incapacity. That's not a third capacity. So we know by the design of the body that there's only two genders. Secondly, transgender advocates, and this is all in the book, correct, not politically correct, transgender advocates on one hand deny they're only two genders they say everything is fluid but on the other hand they unwittingly have to presuppose two genders why because if i'm a man and i think up i'm a woman i have to have some idea what a man is and some idea what a woman is to know that i have this

psychological mismatch right between my psychology and my biology right and secondly if i'm going to try and make the so-called transition which is impossible and we'll get into it it, by the way. But if I'm going to try and do that, if I'm going to try and become a woman, I have to have some idea of what a man is and some idea of what a woman is to try and make the so-called transition. If there were no fixed genders, Eric, there would be no way I would know I had gender dysphoria, and there would be no way I could try and make the so-called transition. So it presupposes it on one hand while denying there are fixed genders on the other. Can I tell you how I know there are only two genders? Here's how I know. Amazon was selling a

shirt that said, like, these are the 20 different categories of gender, and it was on the front of the T-shirt. And the shirt came in sizes for men and for women only. That to me is hilarious. When it says male, female, like, you want to buy a shirt, like you got to click on male or female. I mean, how do you, at some point, this becomes funny, because we all understand this is troubled people. These are people that are deeply, deeply troubled. I can't begin to imagine what it would

be like to be so confused or so angry or so whatever. So we do have to have compassion. And I think that's where the silence comes from on the part of many Christian leaders. They think that to say nothing is to be compassionate. And in some cases, that's true. In some cases, there's a time to speak and a time to be quiet. But we have a responsibility to disciple are flocks. We have a responsibility to our own children to tell them the truth about these kinds of things. And, you know, the famous statement, silence in the face of evil is itself evil. When you're quiet, it can often mean consent. It means, I'm not saying anything, which means I'm going along with this. I just don't want to, I'm just not going to say so, but you get the

message because I'm saying nothing. Well, Eric, let's draw a parallel between gender dysphoria and say anorexia, which is what Dr. Paul McHugh at John Hopkins University, a psychiatrist, draws. He says that if someone is anorexic, but they think that they are overweight, you would not help them by saying, you know, honey, I'm going to get you some liposuction. You're right. You know, you are really overweight. No, you would say, honey, your mind is playing tricks on you. You're suffering from a mental delusion. Let me get you some psychiatry. Let me get you some some cognitive therapy. Let me get you some counseling. Let me help you fix your mind because you can change your mind. You can't change your biology, by the way. You can change your mind. Also, Eric,

if your daughter came to you and said she was a mermaid, would you take her off the coast and drop her in the ocean? No, of course you would say. If I loved her, of course I would. Whatever you want to be, honey, whatever you are today, you want to be a kite? Follow your heart. You know, you want to be. No, I tell you, Frank, this is, again, this is the logic of it. If somebody says to you, I'm Napoleon Bonaparte, I'm Julius Caesar, I'm Winston Churchill, how do you respond to that? Well, you might just nod politely because you realize, wow, this person is deeply messed up. But imagine affirming them in that lie. I have to say that, you know, if there's a way to help them see the truth, you would do it.

Now, some people are beyond that. There's some people you can't do anything. But what is amongst ourselves, we wouldn't start calling that person, Jesus of Nazareth, because he just said, I'm Jesus. We, you and I would say, you know, that guy there thinks he's Jesus of Nazareth. We obviously know that he's not. He's so messed up. I don't know how we can get to him.

Maybe we can't. But let's not pretend amongst ourselves. Let's not tell everybody, call him Jesus, because that's the loving thing to do. You would never do that. No, and the well-meaning people who try and see. say, well, we need to accommodate these people. We have to use their pronouns. You have to have your own pronouns and all this.

If you think about that, if someone is suffering from a delusion, you don't help them by trying to keep them in the delusion. If deaf people were to come to you and say, Eric, you know, I can't hear. And I'm upset every time you listen to music. Stop listening to music. Stop speaking. You must use sign language. You would go, okay, I'm going to do everything I can to accommodate you because you have a defect

that you can't get over, but I'm not going to change my life completely, so you're not offended because I listen to music or I speak. And yet, that's what seems to be happening with the entire trans movement. They want to pull the entire world into the delusion in order to make some people who really need mental health care feel better, when the best way to help them feel better is to get them mental health care, not to affirm them in that particular delusion. And by the way, the data show, which is what we, we cover incorrect, not politically correct, Eric, that nearly all of the people, not maybe not all, but most of the people that suffer from so-called gender dysphoria have some kind of traumatic childhood event that has triggered them into this.

Now, say that again, because I have not really heard that. I was wondering about this. Yes. You're a data guy. I'm not really. So talk about that. And again, this is in the book, Correct, Not Politically Correct. Talk about that. Yeah, Waltyer, who for eight years tried as, tried to live as a woman, but then became a Christian and then started the website and ministry called Sex Change Regret.

Sexchangregret.com. And he has counseled thousands, according to him, thousands of people. And in his research, he says there's nearly always an event. There's always some sort of traumatic event that causes the person to think I'm in the wrong body. and for example the people that truly have gender dysphoria, not the social contagion that's spreading on the internet right now, that a lot of young girls are just, it's the hip thing to do. They don't really have gender dysphoria, but they're trying to get approval of the crowd, and they're trying to stick it to their parents sometimes when they do this. But the people that truly have gender dysphoria say, Eric, that they had an event.

In fact, Walt Heyer puts it this way. Sometimes when a man thinks he's a woman, he has been sexually abused and he wants to get rid of the genitalia that was abused. So you can understand the psychology behind it. They want to rid themselves of the organ that was abused in that event. Okay, folks, we've got to be clear. We're talking about evil. Evil, when someone is sexually abused as a child,

there's almost nothing that you can think of that's more evil than that. it is pronounced evil. It's not just wrong. It's pronounced evil. And when you quoted Jesus earlier, you know, better that we would find the largest millstone and have it hung around his neck

and he'd be cast into the sea than that he should lead one of these little ones to go straight. We're talking about some very, very dark stuff. And we have to have compassion and understand if someone has been through that, it is hard for us to imagine how that would mention how that would mess you up, how your brain, your psyche would try to accommodate that trauma. And as you're saying, as this guy says, who you can find at sexchangeregrette.com, sex change regret.com.

He is saying that is often the case, that someone has had a profound trauma. So first, we want to weep for these people. We want to weep what they have been through. But we don't want to affirm them in the way they're dealing with this. more than you'd affirm in somebody who's like, you know, who's on heroin because of some stuff that happened to him, you know, in Vietnam or during his childhood. And you, you wouldn't want to say like, hey, if heroin is your way to deal with this, good for you. I'm all in. Let me buy you, you know, some horse. No, you would, you would try to actually help him, like really help him.

And, you know, Eric, you can change your mind. You can't change your biology. Look, if I'm a man and I think I'm a woman, why not think that instead of my body being wrong, that I'm actually, instead of saying I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, why shouldn't I say that I'm a man enveloping a woman's mind? Then if I can just change my mind and fix the problem, I can't change my biology. I can't change all hundred trillion of my cells. I can't change my DNA, but I can change my mind. And every single one of our cells, folks, can't.

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For this incredible offer, these won't last long, so please order now. Welcome back. I'm talking to Frank Turek, the host of I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. You can find him at cross-examined.org. The new book is correct, not politically correct, about same-sex marriage and transgenderism. So, Frank, you talk about, you know, the horror of surgeries, mutilating surgeries. It's unbelievable stuff. When you talk about what it would take to try to turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man, let's be clear.

It can't be done. It can't be done. So whatever they do is merely cosmetic. it's like getting a nose job or it's like it's not you can't change someone's internal biology it's it goes so deep so they're they're doing these things that are you know masking the problem would be a nice way of putting it but some of this is very very um invasive is not strong enough of a word what doctors who are making a lot of money are doing to young people. It's just mind-blowing. It's scary what they are doing to make money to go along with this crazy

narrative. Hey, Eric, in the book, I quote a lady that tried to become a man. She goes now by the name of Scott Nugent. Let me just read what happened to her. Here's what she says. She says, and this is a quote, just from the book, she says, during my own

transition, I had seven surgeries. I also had a massive pulmonary embolism, a helicopter flight ride. an emergency ambulance ride, a stress-induced heart attack, sepsis, a 17th month recurring infection due to using the wrong skin during a failed operation to give her a male member. 16 rounds of antibiotics, three weeks of daily IV antibiotics, the loss of all my hair, only partially successful arm reconstructive surgery,

permanent lung and heart damage, a cut bladder, insomnia-induced hallucinations, oh, and frequent loss of consciousness due to pain from the hair on the inside of my uretha. All this led to a form of PTSD that made me a prisoner in my apartment for a year. Between me and my insurance company, medical expenses exceeded $900,000. That's from Scott Nugent. And she says, I can't go back, but this transition doesn't work. And she from now on, in fact, nobody actually completely transitions, Eric, because they have to continue to take these cross-sex hormones to try and force their body to go in a direction it wasn't designed to do.

You cannot change your biology. You can change your mind. That's the solution to the problem. And Eric, as we point out in the book, that even those that have had the surgery, their suicide rate is 19 times higher than the general public. This is 10 years after the surgery. Okay. 19 times. That is 1,900% higher. Those who've had the surgery, folks, listen to this.

In other words, somebody says, I want to have surgery. I want to transition. You go, great. You got the money. You got the insurance. Let's do it. You do it. Those people who got what they said they wanted have a suicide rate 1,900 percent. higher than the average population. I want to be clear that according to the data, Eric, that there is a honeymoon period. When people have this surgery, they feel better. But at the 10-year mark, all proverbial hell breaks loose and the suicide rate goes through the roof because they suddenly realize that it's impossible to change your biology. You can't do it.

Why are we suggesting to people that they can? By the way, this is why, as you know, because there's a lot of money to be made. Let's be blunt. There's a lot of money to be made. And there are people out there who have sold their souls for money. There are doctors, many, many doctors and medical professionals who have sold their souls for money. They don't care what the facts say. They don't care about the suicide rate.

These are the kind of people. If you came to them and said, I identify as someone with no arms and legs. If I pay you, will you remove my arms and legs? They would say, yeah, if you pay me, I'll do it, whatever you want. That is not what it is to be a doctor. A doctor's first line of the Hippocratic Oath, first do no harm. But there are people making a lot of money. I want to be real clear, Frank.

There are people making tons of money off of this, and they don't care about your children. Yeah, in fact, this is what Scott. Gott Nugent again says, she was a woman trying to become a man. She says this, and this again is in the book, correct, not politically correct. She says the happy, lighthearted salesmanship of medical transition and its blunt reality don't match up. Doctors and medical transition proponents don't prepare you for transition-related post-traumatic stress disorders.

They don't mention post-traumatic stress disorder or any type of multiple hardship because it's considered transphobic, Eric. She doesn't say Eric, but that's what she says. And then she goes on to say, I want to tell my own story so that others can hear at the medical industry is too afraid what the medical industry is too afraid to say out loud that gender transition surgery is not the magical solution that doctors, the media, and the culture describe. And by the way, what does this sound like?

This is exactly like Planned Parenthood and abortion. People making tons of money off of abortions, they will push you and push you and push you saying this is the solution. It's the magic solution. It's a magic solution. They will not tell you the truth about what happens to women after they have an abortion, the regret, the pain, the trauma, the confusion. They will never tell you those stories because they don't want you to know those stories.

They want you to pay them and get the surgery. And then when you have those problems, you're not their problem. We're going to be right back. We're talking to Frank Turek. Crossexamined.org is where you can find him. book is correct, not politically correct. We'll be right back. Hey, folks. Talking to Frank Turrick. He is the author of Correct, not Politically Correct. That's the book we're talking about right now. He's the host of the radio

show podcast. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Let's talk about the idea that you just brought up on the break of that your sex is not assigned at birth. Like, what in the world does that mean? So you can't take out a cigar and say, it's a boy, because, hey, who's to say, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, as if doctors, when someone's born, they just arbitrarily assign a particular sex to that individual. This is madness.

And the only way that this movement can succeed is if people start to relativize what they know about gender. Obviously, sex is not assigned at birth. It's discovered at birth. And most of the time in today's day and age, just discovered earlier than that. You know, most people know what they're going to have, right? I knew we were having a girl four and a half months into the pregnancy, and most people do that on the sonogram.

It's also how you know it's a human being and not a blob, because you can see the human being in the sonogram. But what's more evil to me than this issue is the idea that teachers would ask children. This is like sexual abuse. This is abuse. To ask a child, who are you? What is your... Those children should never be asked that. They already know.

Their parents have already made clear to them who they are. They know who they are. The idea that a teacher, I mean, this is really evil, folks. And if you're a pastor or Christian Lee, you're not speaking about this, what about those kids that are being abused by teachers who would dare ask them and confuse them on this most fundamental issue? Can we imagine how that is going to mess with a kid that early on? they are casting into doubt. Who am I?

What am I? It is really evil. And people need to understand. If you don't stand against this, you're allowing these children to be abused in this way. This is really sick stuff. And we're having this happen in schools. I mean, I know that you talk about some of this in the book.

Yeah, exactly. It's happening in schools. It's happening, of course, across social media. In fact, what we're seeing now, Eric, is really a social media contagion. About a decade or so ago, about one in 10,000 boys were afflicted, which was what called gender dysphoria, that one in 10,000 men thought they were women.

Now, in some places, according to Abigail Shrier, who wrote the seminal book on this topic called Irreversible Damage, she said in some of the girls' schools she visited, Eric, 30% of the girls that were claiming to be men, that they were claiming to be trans. How did we go from one and 10,000 men to 3,000 and 10,000 girls claiming their trans? And what Abigail Schreier says, and I think she's correct, is that this is a social media contagion. This is spread through social media.

In fact, I have a friend who's the saint of a woman. She's nearly 70 years old, Eric. And she works at Starbucks, not for the money, but for the ministry. And there are a couple of girls in, in. her Starbucks that are trying to transition to becoming men. And she says that they sit in the back of Starbucks during their break on TikTok, flipping through video after video that try and affirm what they're doing is good, right, and true.

And in their hearts, they need to do this because they know this really isn't good, right, and true, but they need to be constantly affirmed by other people that what you're doing is right. And my friend says, look, I graduated high school, 50 years ago. And I'm still paying for some of the decisions I made in high school. But the decisions you're making now are so far beyond what I made that you are going to affect your life dramatically, immediately in a negative way.

You don't think you want kids now? Five years from now, that's probably going to change. And then what? You've sterilized yourself. You've given yourself osteoporosis. You've given yourself arthritis. You've reduced your bone density by taking these cross-sex hormones. You sterilized yourself.

don't do this. I'll tell you, again, we've just got to spread the facts and the truth. This, what is being done to these young people is profoundly harmful to them medically. And so you've got to think again about the medical professionals who have sold their souls to the devil for money. They don't care about what is going to happen to these kids. If they bother to look it up, they can get the same information that anyone can get, the reality of this. But they're making a lot of money. It's kind of like the cool thing to do now.

And they're going along with the program. And these young people are being brainwashed by social media. If we do not speak out, God will hold us as guilty, counts us as guilty for our silence on these issues. Because the lives of these young people are at stake. They're real lives. not the fake lives, like, oh, they're going to kill themselves if you don't affirm them in this. On the contrary, they're killing themselves or they may kill themselves if you don't speak. And we need to boldly declare that because it's actually true.

And, Eric, there is some brightness, a bright spot happening right now. Over in the UK, which has, they were ahead of the U.S. on these gender clinics and trying to transition children. They're beginning to close their gender clinics, Eric. You know why? because seven, eight years ago, these teenagers, without their informed consent, because they're teenagers, they can't give informed consent. They had these surgeries, these doctors sterilized these young kids, and now these kids are adults, and they're suing these doctors in these gender clinics saying, what did you do to me? And so now the money is coming back to bite them because these clinics are not going to be able to stay open after they lose all these lawsuits. So hopefully that might help us get rid of the gender clinics here.

Well, there's a funny thing about reality. It bites back. You know, it's kind of like you're, it's like playing against the house. You don't win. God invented reality. And at some point, it comes back. There is no escaping it. Eventually, you know, the truth will out.

And I want to mention, again, the website that you mentioned, Frank, it's sex change regret. dot com. There's a lot of information out there, folks. There are a lot of people regretting this, and we need to spread that information. Again, that website is sexchangeregret.com. I'm talking to Frank Turek. His book is correct, not politically correct, correct, not politically correct. And you can find Frank at cross-examined.org. We'll be back for a final segment with Frank Turek, but you should look him up at cross-examined.org. We need to know the facts, and we need to get this out to people

who need to know the facts. We'll be right back. Talking to Frank Turek, the author of this new edition of his book, Correct, not politically correct. It's selling so fast right now that Amazon is temporarily out of it, so we want to recommend that you go to

cross-examined.org, cross-examined, with a D at the end, cross-examined. dot org. Frank, if a kid comes to his or her parent and says, I want to transition, my heart breaks for these parents as well. What do you say? How do you deal with this? Yeah, yeah, the first thing you do is you don't freak out. If you freak out, that's not going to work. And the kid's never going to come to you again if they have a problem and you freak out. So the first thing you want to do is say, okay, thank you for telling me. Can I ask you some questions? What do you

mean by your trans, number one. Number two, how did you come to this conclusion? Why do you think you are? Oh, you say you have these feelings. Let me ask you this. Do feelings always tell you the truth? Because in my experience, feelings don't always tell me the truth. Also, do your feelings ever change? Obviously, in your case, they have because a month ago you didn't claim to be trans. Now you're claiming to be trans. So your feelings have changed. And do you realize that 80% of young people that say they're trans, by the time, they hit 18 have grown out of it. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. That is a gigantic data point. Say that again. That is huge.

Say that again. 80% of young people who claim their trans, claim they're not trans by the time they hit 18. They grow out of it. 80. 80. At least 80. Some say higher. So why would we try and transition young people with cross-sex hormones, which is impossible. You can't transition them. But why would you even try this? Why would you mutilate them when the problem's

probably going to take care of themselves. I mean, kids go through phases. As even Bill Mar said, he said, look, if everybody knew what they wanted to be when they were eight, the world would be filled with cowboys and princesses, but it's not. He said, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a pirate. Thank God, nobody took me seriously and took me for peg leg and eye removal surgery, right? He's telling the truth here. And pastors need to say this, Eric, even though this book, correct, not politically correct, is not written with Bible verses. It's just trying to give you the natural law, common sense, medical reasons why transgenderism and even same-sex marriage aren't good for societies or individuals. Pastors actually have the scriptures behind them

as well. And tragically, Eric, the Biden administration, last year, this is, let's see, March 31st, 2022. They came out and basically said, if you don't affirm your child as young as three years old, if your little girl says she's a boy and you don't affirm her in that, we may come and take that child away from you. Have we ever had a more wicked president of the United States? When I hear this stuff, I just can't believe that we are at this place. Pastors and Christian leaders, if you are not speaking out, if you've got to stop being afraid of being called political or being call that this is God requires of you that you love your neighbor. These people are suffering because of these lies.

You have an obligation before God to speak God's truth out of love. There's two quick questions I ask people who don't think we ought to be involved in politics. The first question is, should Christians care how other people are treated? Of course, every Christian is going to say, of course. Second question, should Christians care how other people are treated by their government. Well, of course, if we care how people are treated, we have to care how people are treated by their government.

Welcome to politics, ladies and gentlemen. You can't avoid it. If you're going to love people, you have to love them in every area of your life, not just on Sunday morning. Frank, I talk about this wherever I go. I've been speaking all over the country. What you just said, I'm talking about all the time. This is true.

Thank you for getting the word out. Thank you for your ministry cross-examined.org. folks. Go to cross-examined.org to get this book correct, not politically correct. Frank, thank you. God bless you, my friend. Thank you, Eric. Same to you.