The Eric Metaxas Show - General Michael Flynn (Encore)

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

General Michael Flynn on the state of our Union and his film at www.flynnmovie.com.

Gentlemen, are you ready to listen to a man of grace, sophistication, integrity, and whimsy? Well, so are we. But until such a man shows up, please welcome Eric Mat, Texas. Hey, the folks, welcome back. My guest right now is the man behind the Flynn movie, General Flynn. He's an American hero. When people say to me, Eric, what can I do? how can I help in this battle?

One of the things you could do is see this film and recommend it to your friends. Now, if you don't do that, don't ask me what you can do because I just told you. Flynnmovie.com. Unfortunately, it's very important. But it gives me hope that films like this are being made, and it gives me joy to speak with the man behind the film. The producer, Scott Weiper, welcome. Thank you, Eric. Now, you were a Hollywood guy.

You were in. What part of the world did you grow up in? and when did you go to Hollywood? I grew up in Midwest in Ohio, and then I went out to Los Angeles in the early 90s after starting film at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut. Whoa, whoa, Wesleyan. I got stories about Wesleyan.

My best friend, John Tomania, went to Wesleyan, graduated, I guess, 84, a little bit before your time. But I've been to Wesleyan a million times, and in my book, I think I have a copy here, Fish Out of Water, the Story of My Life, I was at O'Rourke's diner. I know well. I filmed there.

You filmed there. Okay. I was at a works diner. This is like 1985, I think. I leave O'Rourke's diner. No joke. This is the winter. I literally, literally fell into a manhole.

A manhole on the sidewalk was open. Some construction guys had not bothered to, like, put cones around it or something. I fell in. I caught myself without. realizing it with my jacket and I survived. But I write about it in my book, Fish Out of Water. That happened at Wesleyan. Man, so you're from Wesleyan.

Wesleyan was like more liberal than Karl Marx. So I came out of a pretty small, not farm town, but part farm town in Ohio. And I picked Wesleyan because I wanted to play Division III football because I wasn't good enough for Division 1. Oh, yeah, Wesleyan. And they had a film major. There were only three film majors in Lowe. 80s. There was USC, NYU, and I came here to look at NYU, and I went for Wesleyan, having no idea just how radical it was. Wesleyan makes Yale look conservative. Like, sort of. Like Wesleyan was, if I, you know, as bad as Yale was, look, all these elite institutions are, they're insane. And if you come from Middle America, which I did, from a home where, you know, on Sundays we go to church and we salute the flag, we believe in American values, and you go to a place like Yale or Wesleyan, And you're like, what?

It was, I mean, you must have been hit. Well, I grew up in Danbury, Connecticut, which is very middle America, middle class, working class, right? And my parents, working class. So when I go to this, like, elite university and you encounter the left lunacy, you kind of think, what, what's this? And I drank that Kool-Late. It was a whole different world. And I was, some of my classmates, John Bush and John Soros. and there was a lot of

not only there was a lot of wealth at Wesleyan and I didn't even understand No but that's kind of what I'm saying It goes with the territory I come from working class home You come from working class home Middle America You go to these places

There's money and elite The cultural elite values Which is anti-American global Like whatever it is But you're not prepared for it What's fascinating you know Wesleyan Because only those that really get it if it wasn't for Wesleyan

and if it wasn't for Hollywood I kind of wouldn't have the mindset I do and I had a I had fairly conservative middle-the-road conservative parents and upbringing but I think the I was thrown into such an extreme

that and this is something that lacks nowadays sometimes you're forced into critical thinking it's funny because I didn't that sort of is my story but my critical thinking it took some time basically, but praise the Lord that you and I survived these Marxist indoctrination camps. But, you know, it took a while.

Now, one of the things that happens, it happened to me and happened to you, is you learn to speak the language of the cultural elites. You know how they think. So for you, it was Hollywood and Wesley, and for me it was New York, Manhattan, and Yale. But it's the same thing. You learn to speak that language, but then you start thinking differently and you can communicate more effectively, which brings us to the subject of why we're here today. It's very exciting. You made this documentary film, which I have seen.

It's must viewing, folks. I tell you, you need to see the film. Flynnmovie.com. But what was your journey up to this film? And those, you were in Hollywood trying to survive as a man with common sense values, which is not that easy. Absolutely. You know, we were talking about Westman.

I got there and they asked to get into the film major, why do you want to be a film major? And most of the students were from New York and their parents were in the arts. And I was just, I said, I'm here for three reasons. Die hard lead to weapon in 48 hours. And it turns out the head of the film department, I love that. But that environment applies directly to Flynn. Yeah. Deliver the truth, whatever the cost.

Because what you said, when we first met, we talked about just left a little bit. center and, you know, that to make a film that doesn't just preach to the choir. And so when you said you speak the language, that I think was one of the first things we discussed because we're in narrative warfare, right? So words matter.

So a lot of the, I just tried to create an environment with all of our guests where and half the crew, I'd say two-thirds of the crew, maybe three-fourths of the crew, had voted for Biden.

meaning I first suggested I'm going to bring my film crew meaning the men and women that I use every time and make no there will be no concessions because oh this is a I threw the politics out and I said while we're filming

and the general love this idea we have a real time reaction from the camera people from everybody because they're hearing these stories and we're seeing how they react See, that's what's so fascinating. And again, you talk about information warfare.

That's the whole point is most people never get to hear this stuff. They are watching mainstream media. They're consuming mainstream culture, which is presenting other narratives, which is avoiding. I mean, most Americans don't know the nightmare of what happened to General Flynn and why. And so, folks, this is an opportunity, not just for you, but for your neighbors. If we understand what is actually going on, it's going to change things.

You're going to have a different view. And I think it's beginning to happen, Scott, that because of films like this, things are shifting. You can feel it. You can feel it. All right, folks, I've been talking to Scott Weiper, the film is Flynn.

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It's an important film that I think every American should see. When people ask me, Eric, what can I do? Well, if you really want to do something, if you're serious, you'll do the little things that I recommend, like see this film because it will help you be a part of the solution when you understand. what is going on in this country, what's been happening. You can go to flinmovie.com, the subject of flinmovie.com.

General Flynn is my guest. General Flynn, welcome back. Eric, thank you so much. Thanks for having me. And I know you and I were together not too many days ago. Hey, I don't want my wife to hear about that. No, I got to tell you, we had such fun with joking around, being serious. It was such a joy to spend time with you.

get that time with you. And I was excited because I thought, I want you on the program to talk about some of the things that we talked about together, about the future of this country, and how many people in this country don't know, don't really know what happened to you. Why don't we start there? You were a Democrat. You were in the military. You love your country. And at some point, talk about, you know, the job you're given in the Obama administration. And when you can actually do that job, they think, uh-oh, no, we didn't want that. Yeah, you know, for people that don't know, I mean, I spent 33 years in the military, actually just over 33 years. I was twice appointed by Barack Obama, by President Obama. And one of the

critical jobs that I was appointed into was the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is one of the largest intel agencies in the world, and certainly in the United States, intelligence community. And as Eric just, as you just highlighted, Eric, and you know, for your audience, I grew up in a Democrat family. We, you know, we kind of refer to ourselves as Kennedy Democrats. You know, my father was a World War II and a Korean War vet. He retired as a sergeant from the Army. So we grew up in a kind of an old school Democrat household.

And, you know, in the era of the 60s and 70s. And frankly, I was a Democrat all through my time in the military. And to a degree, you know, I made, and I did, I was, you know, I had an extraordinary, blessed career in the military, particularly in combat operations, where I was, you know, very instrumental in, in going after many of our enemies that we face, particularly in the war on terror. And so, you know, I was, I was good at being a soldier, and I was recognized for that. you know, at very senior levels. And so Barack Obama, you know, appointed me to be the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

Where I got crosswise initially with his administration, and Jim Clapper was the director of national intelligence. John Brennan was the director of the CIA, Jim Comey, all these names, right? Jim Comey was director of the FBI. Where I got crosswise with the administration was they wanted a particular. narrative about the war on terrorism, particularly the war on al-Qaeda and ISIS. And my responsibility as a senior intelligence officer running one of the largest intel agencies in the world is basically to tell the truth, right? To tell the truth as I saw it. And I spent five years of my life in combat operations fighting these guys. And so our assessment was that we were not

winning the war against ISIS, that ISIS was actually growing around the world. And at the time. They were in like 24 or 25 countries. I bring this out in the movie. I bring a lot of this out in the movie, actually, and more about this idea of endless wars. And so I kind of, I ran crosswise with the administration and their narrative. And as a military officer, you cannot, you know, you, I mean, I'm not a political appointee, right? I'm a military officer appointed into a very challenging position and a position that I was very honored and I felt very prepared, well prepared for, but I came, I got crosswise with the administration's narrative. And the narrative that they wanted was not something that was the truth.

And when I was asked to testify in front of Congress with a very famous cadre of other people, you know, those that I just mentioned, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, you know, in a very famous hearing, when I was asked, they were all asked what was going on. When they were all asked about the war against ISIS, they said we're winning. And when it came to me, I was the last person asked in that lineup. And I was asked by the senators. And they asked me, and I said, no, we're not winning. The ISIS is actually growing.

And pretty much immediately after that, I was called into a room and told I needed to resign from that position. What year was that? That was 2014. Yeah, it was winter of 2014. I ended up retiring in that late that summer. My last month in DIA was August, and I ended up retiring in September of 2014. You know, one tidbit about all that,

that one of the things that happened to me at the end of that, at my retirement, one of the nice ceremonies that I was brought into, I was brought into the FBI headquarters, and Jim Comey, the director of the FBI at the time, actually presented me with one of the highest, in fact, the highest medal that can be given to somebody outside of the FBI, and it's called the Director's Award. It's actually a beautiful award. I was presented to it for my work with the FBI during many, many years of combat operations and intelligence work that I had done, pretty much for the second half of my career, I work with the FBI very closely. So here is Jim Comey presenting me this nice award, you know, and then a year, roughly a year later,

they have me under investigation, the FBI and the Department of Justice and the Obama administration, which is mind-blowing when you think about, you know, that little detail, and then a year plus later they got me under investigation. Just a couple questions. So why, when you testified in 2014, You know, Clapper, Comey, Brennan, they are going along with a certain narrative. Now, we now know that they're willing to sell their souls to the devil, that they've sold their souls to the devil for something. I don't know what they get out of it.

I'm sure it's not a good deal, but they thought it was a good deal to go along with a narrative, which you knew was false. Absolutely. Why would they be willing to go? along with that narrative. Did they actually believe that narrative? Why were they pushing that narrative? That's the real question. Why were they pushing the narrative, which you knew to be a lie? Yeah, because of the Obama administration or Obama in particular, and this is all about power. So the bottom line of all of it, the answer to why is about power, power. That's, I mean, you know, people go, they power and money, well, with people.

power can come great wealth, right? So it's all about power. The reason why is because the administration led by Barack Obama and Susan Rice and others that were in the administration at the time. They were John Kerry as the Secretary of State. The message around the world was that Barack Obama was going to be this champion against this ISIS, this threat of ISIS that was clearly growing around the world, around the world. And I'm not, you know, and I talk about in the movie from West Africa all the way over to Indonesia, but it was also starting to rise up in Europe quite a bit. And this is 2014 now.

Okay, so now we start to look at where we are with this threat today, and it's just, it's all over the world now. I mean, we have it in the streets of America. So the narrative was to say that ISIS was on the run. It was, you know, that we were winning. That's what they wanted. And my thing was, well, we're not winning. You know, what's happening is that ISIS is actually growing, and they're growing stronger.

They're growing in different parts of the world. And they're also growing in not only in Europe at the time, but they started to emerge here in America. And so the only thing that I can put my finger on is that at the time, this is 2014 now, and they're getting ready to go into a very crucial set of, of the next couple of years, right, the next year, year and a half, we're getting ready to go into another presidential election, which really, for them, in the era parent at the time, and I knew this back in 2014,

the heir apparent for the next administration post-Barach Obama was going to be Hillary Clinton, despite all of the other people that got in the race, like Bernie Sanders and all the different other political folks that ran in the Democrat primary, but they knew at the time, and everybody talked about it while I was still in government,

while I was still in the military. I was in a lot of these conversations where Hillary Clinton was going to be the heir apparent to Barack Obama. But just to be clear here, correct me if I'm wrong, the people that we've mentioned were willing to lie to Congress.

They knew what they're saying is not true. For political reasons, they lied to Congress. You talk about despicable, because you lie to Congress, you're lying to the American people. This is set up so that we have checks and balances. They were willing to lie to Congress for Barack Obama and for Hillary Clinton. You were not willing to do that because you weren't willing to do that.

They came after you with everything they had. We'll be right back to get the details. Go to Flynnmovie.com. We'll be right back with General Flynn. Welcome back. I'm talking to General Michael Flynn. about what happened. It's the subject of a film, which I, you know, I don't recommend.

I demand that you, if you love this country, you do your best to see this. Go to Flynnmovie.com. So, General Flynn, we talked about this, but what you just said, because a lot of times we talk around things, Clapper, Comey, and Brennan, unless I'm missing something, are willing to go before the American people, before the Congress and lie and lie and lie they know something's not true but for power for the sake of power they're willing to lie and you were not willing to lie and for telling the truth respectfully you were vilified persecuted horribly I guess my question is is it their assumption

is this the way it works that they just think like well everybody's going to play ball that that That's what it's called, right? You're going to play ball. You're going to lie. You're going to do what you're told. You're going to push the narrative. We tell you to push. And they figured, you know, you're right in there.

You're a Democrat. You're going to go along with this for whatever purposes. But you have a conscience and you knew that I cannot do this. But when you did, when you spoke the truth, was there a way that you were thinking maybe I hedge my bets or maybe? I mean, what made you feel that you? you must tell the truth the way you did because you've paid a tremendous price. Yeah, because that's the right thing to do. I mean, I, you know, I'm a soldier at heart, and I spent a lot of time in combat. I spent a lot of time in really tough, tough units,

you know, in a lot of difficult times, and you cannot, you know, you can't but tell the truth because it's all about saving lives and protecting this country and doing the right thing. I mean, I'm just, I'm designed that way. You know, like it or not, naive, or not, I'm designed that way. And I was, and I was raised that way as a kid. And I learned that, you know, again, while I was serving in the military, the narrative. And actually, you know, and I talk about this in the movie, and I'll share this part about it. My congressional affairs officer, his name was Cal Temple, great guy. Cal Temple came to me the night before I was going to go testify. And he had my, he had my, you know, my statement, right? He had my statement that was

on a document and it was it had all kinds of red lines and stuff from the that had been seen by the white house and been seen by the the director of the officer of the director of national intelligence and they had written out a bunch of stuff they had redlined out a bunch of stuff and they said this is what we want you to to give and i read it i sat there and i could not i could not believe what i was reading and essentially i said to i said to cal he and i were sitting there, this is the night before I'm going to testify the next day. And these testimonials are big, big deals. These are in front of the American people. And these are captured documents that are on record. And I said to Cal, and who was a great guy, I said,

Cal, I go, this is insane. I go, I'm not going to say this. This is not true. This is not right. And I said, I'm not going to do it. I told them to go reprint my statement that I had approved. and I said, that's the statement that I want to turn into Congress that next morning, and that's the statement that I'm going to give. And that's what I'm going to stick to because it was the truth. And when I did that, you know, maybe I was, you know, kissing my career goodbye. But see, when you get to a certain level in the military, especially when you're, you know, when you're honored to be selected as a general officer or an admiral in the Navy,

you know, a general in the Army or the Marine Corps, I mean, these are big response. positions, and then when you're put into a position of the head of one of the largest intel agencies in the world, if you're going to be, if you're prone to lying, then you are doing a massive, massive disservice and you're dishonoring every single, you know, airman, sailor, soldier, Marine that ever gave their life for this country. So I could not do that. And, you know, again, call me naive to think in the political environment that I was in that, that I was going to be able to get away with that. It didn't matter to me. I didn't think about that. Eric. What I thought about was when asked a question, tell the truth. When asked to put your

assessment forward, make sure it's the best in your best judgment with all of the resources that I had at my, you know, sort of back and call as the head of an intelligence. And it was a very, very solid and it was a correct narrative. It was the narrative that was actually true for all across the whole of the intelligence community. What the others did, Clapper, Comey, and Brennan, they sat there and they lied in front of the American people. They lied to Congress, and they told the false narrative. And like I say in the movie, what that meant then was that,

because I was out. As soon as I did that, you know, a couple of days later, I got called in a meeting and I'm told you're leaving. I ended up, you know, sticking around for a few more months to sort of finish my time up. And I was out. But what that meant for the bigger picture was that we had another six, six and a half years of fighting and dying based on a false narrative that the Obama administration wanted to carry through. And to me, it's just that's, that just, you know, I die a little bit every time I think about soldiers who are going off to war for reasons that they don't totally understand and for people who don't care about them. and, you know, working for people, in this case,

political people who have, you know, some other ambition in mind, and that's the ambition to stay in power at all costs, even at the cost of soldiers' lives on the battlefield. That's what I can't live. Well, you know, I can't live in an environment like that. A hero. That's why we are talking. We need folks like you in the military, in our government.

You mentioned these folks, Comer, Comey Clapper, Brennan, Obama, Hillary Clinton. They sold their souls for power and God is a judge. I'm glad this film has been made. We'll be talking more with General Flynn. Go to Flynnmovie.com. This is must viewing. Welcome back. I have the privilege of speaking with General Michael Flynn.

The movie is called Just a lot. Flynn. I have seen it. It's an eye-opener. I want to keep going with the narrative so people understand. So you basically sacrifice your career. But listen, how many patriots sacrificed their lives? You sacrifice your career. You know it's the right thing to do. And there are many people that understand, I got to do the right thing, whatever the cost is. And whether you are explicitly trusting God or implicitly, the point is, you're trusting that telling the truth is the right thing and somehow I have no other options. And whatever price I pay, that's fine. I'm going to pay that price. Others have paid the price. So you pay that price when Barack Obama is meeting with

Donald Trump. So this is after Hillary Clinton loses the election. Oh yeah, she lost. When that happened, Obama says to President Trump really foolishly, I mean, the idea that Trump is going to listen to Obama. but warns Trump against you. Now, I remember, and what day was that? Was that the day of the inaugural? I can't remember when that was. No, that was actually, it was about three days after the election where Trump went and met with Obama to do a transition of the government.

Okay, so somehow, and I often, I just find this stuff fascinating, that why would Obama be foolish enough to? think that Donald Trump is such an idiot that he's going to take Obama's advice. I mean, it's amazing. But Obama nonetheless tries to demonize you in that meeting with Donald Trump. Now, we know today that there are many people around Trump that he naively allowed around him who did not have his best interests, the best interests of truth and America at heart. So those people were around him. But so President Obama actually says to Trump, be careful, you are bad news.

General Flynn is bad news. So what does Trump do when he gets this delightful piece of intelligence? So, I mean, you can't make this up. I mean, this is just unreal. It was written up about by all kinds of newspapers. You know, the media jumped on it, you know, that Barack Obama tells Trump, you know, pay attention to two people. One of them is Kim Jong-un, the dictator of.

of North Korea, the other is General Mike Flynn. And he tells, he directly tells Trump, do not hire Mike Flynn to come into your cabinet or in any position at all, which is amazing. And all that, so that conversation between those two actually happened almost more than a month before the very famous Russia phone call that I have with the Russian ambassador, right? I mean, so it happened even before that occurred. So these people knew they had something planned for Trump and me, basically. So Trump comes back to, you know, a meeting with me afterwards, after that meeting, he and I met.

And I go in there and I talk to Trump. And Trump tells me this conversation that he has to Obama. And he asked me, what do you think about that? And I said to him, you know, I never met the guy, which I talk about in the movie. And so I'm spilling a little bit of the beans from the movie. I said, I never met the guy. I never met in my time in government, in my time. I'm in these very key positions that Barack Obama appointed me, and I never met with Barack Obama.

And so the guy, for him to say something about me in the regards of not hiring somebody, telling a duly elected president of the United States, in this case, Donald J. Trump, to not hire somebody? I mean, how dare he? And I had spent, you know, months and months and months and months with Trump on a daily basis, traveling with him, and we had gotten to know each other. And so I said, I never met the guy. And I said, you know, and one of the things that Trump comes back to me on and during that meeting is he says, well, he goes, I don't trust him. It's what he told me about Barack Obama. And, you know, we kind of had a little bit of a chuckle about it at the time. But, you know, and then, of course, you know, Trump then asked me to be his national security advisor, you know, at that moment, really.

And we took some photos and stuff. But, you know, you just can't make this stuff up. And then you fast forward, you know, into January of 2017. So that was roughly mid-November, early November of 2016. You go to 5 January of 2017, and there's a very, very famous meeting. It's well-documented now. And it's evidence that we fought for in my case. We fought for this exculpatory evidence.

And in that meeting was Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Jim Clapper, Brennan, Susan Rice, Sally Yates, Jim Comey, and a couple of other minions that are staffers that were in that very famous 5 January 2017 meeting where they talked about two things. One was we've got to get Flynn out of the way immediately. And number two, once we get Flynn out of the way, then we can go after Trump. We know that now for a fact. I've not heard this. I mean, that's extraordinary. How do we know about that meeting?

Where is that? Because, well, number one, the meeting itself occurred. We didn't know what the essence of it was until we started to fight back. So when I started to fight back in my case, and a lot of people, you know, all they know is Flynn pled guilty and he had to be pardoned. Actually, I pled guilty for a very specific reason, basically to protect my son. And then at a certain point in time, when evidence started to come out, when we started to see text messages, and all kinds of stuff that people were fighting for, my wife and I made the decision to pull my guilty plea.

Once we pulled my guilty plea and we started to fight, we started to get, and we started to dig, dig into the Department of Justice. We started to get evidence. And we got evidence of this very famous meeting. Well, this very famous meeting, 5 January 2017, was also at the center of the Durham report. Okay, so anybody that goes back and reads the 350 to 400 pages,

of the Durham report, this meeting is addressed in there. Evidence that we pulled out of that meeting from my case actually talked about what the goals were in that meeting, what they talked about in that meeting. Essentially, the very essence of it was get Flynn to get Trump. We got to get Flynn out of the way. So that meeting was really about figuring out a way to get Mike Flynn out of the national security advisor's office position and then go after him, partly as a, as a, as a way to get to Donald Trump,

because they did try to do the 25th Amendment on Trump later on in the first really quarter of his presidency. I mean, that meeting, 5 January 2017, to me, and I say this very, very publicly and very matter-of-factly, 5 January 2017 was the day the coup began in the United States of America. And that coup was started by, initiated by Barack Obama, the president of the United States, sitting behind the resolute desk in the Oval Office against President Trump.

Folks, we're talking about evil. We're talking about evil in our time. This is very important. Go to Flynnmovie.com. We'll be right back with General Flynn. Welcome back. I'm talking to General Michael Flynn. The movie is just called Flynn.

You can go to Flynnmovie.com. You've got to see it. So General Flynn, what we're talking about is a level of evil in our time. It is a staggering, staggering thing. The deep state. people who are at war with we the people. They're at war with the American founder's vision that we the people are the government.

They control things. And even on January 5th, on the eve of the inauguration of Donald Trump, they are planning how to stay in power. Number one, get rid of you. And that clears the way to get rid of Trump. And that's basically exactly what they did. I mean, that's exactly what they did. I mean, literally the next morning,

I had the privilege of being in the church across from the White House at this service before the inauguration. I had the privilege of sitting next to you. I'll never forget it. And I was so excited about what this boated for the future of our country, taking our country back. And I'm sitting next to you. Little did we know either of us at the time what was being planned. So when does it happen? And in the film, you single out.

Mike Pence, the vice president, as being a key figure in getting rid of you. We've already heard that the idea of getting rid of you is to get rid of Trump. How does that, how does he figure, because this is horrifying to hear, but it's true. How did that, how did he figure into that? Yeah, so Mike Pence, Mike Pence was brought into the Trump circle as a, you know, as a key establishment figure, you know, long-in-tooth political guy. tied directly to the Republican establishment in Washington, D.C. You know, had been a congressman, had been a governor, you know,

was the, you know, the quote-unquote evangelical Christian that Trump needed by him side to get the evangelical vote in this country. And Mike Pence was brought in to basically keep Trump in line. That was really, you know, to me, and now, I think as we have seen. And so, you know, how did Mike Pence, how did it relate to me? So I was very close to Trump. I got very close to Trump from, you know, really the spring. Actually, from the summer of 2015 when we first met all the way through the convention,

I was looked at to be vice president along with three other candidates, Christy, Newt Gingrich and Mike Pence in the run up to the convention. You know, I was vetted for that position. and then I continued to ride with Trump all the way through the election. And, you know, and Trump had a lot of respect for me. Trump and I got along really well. We became friends. And so what began to happen is they needed, you know, the establishment, the Obama administration, particularly, but the establishment, the Washington, D.C., uniparty establishment,

they needed to get a guy like me out of the way. And Mike Pence, and Reince Prebus was the other one that I call out in the movie. They were the tools that were used. And as we highlighted in the movie, the people not only Pence himself, but also people in Pence's office who absolutely hated Trump that were brought in to the administration inside the, not only during the transition to the inauguration in January of 2017, but into the White House.

So there were people that in the vice president's office, to include the vice president himself, who didn't care much for Trump at all. There were people inside on his team. that I mean, absolutely, and I use this word precisely, hated Trump. And we knew that. So in Pence's case, Pence did not like the relationship that I had with Trump. And there were others like Paul Ryan, believe me, Mitch McConnell, the establishment wanted to get rid of these people that weren't part of, you know, that weren't these corruptible individuals, right? I mean,

you know, like it or not. And again, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm. I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm a perfect guy, but neither is Trump. I used to introduce him as an imperfect guy, but we're not corruptible. We're not corruptible. We are incorruptible when it comes to this kind of stuff and this nonsense. And these are people that care more about their power than they do about this country.

We've got more on the other side of the break. Folks do not go away. I continue my conversation with General Flynn.