The Eric Metaxas Show - Greg Kelly

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

Greg Kelly of Newsmax is back to discuss the network being deplatformed on AT&T's DirecTV and to take a deeper dive into his book, "Justice for All: How the Left Is Wrong About Law Enforcement."

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Hey there, folks. Guess what today is? Did you guess? It's Groundhog Day. I don't want you to guess too long. It's Groundhog Day. And in honor of Groundhog Day, I wanted to have someone on that I had on very recently. You know, you've seen the movie Groundhog Day.

I love Greg Kelly. Some of you know who he is. He's the best thing on Newsmax. Newsmax has some great stuff. But Greg Kelly, in my opinion, and you know what, it's really not my opinion. I wouldn't, if it were merely my opinion and I were aware of it being purely subjective, I wouldn't put it out that way. Greg Kelly is on 10 p.m. Eastern on Newsmax every night.

The last time he was on this program, we talked about his background. We talked about a lot of things, the possibility of his running for mayor of New York. We didn't talk enough about the main reason he was on the program was to talk about his brand new book. He's got a book out called Justice for All, how the left is wrong about law enforcement. We all knew that the left was wrong, but how they are wrong is the subject of Greg Kelly's book, Justice for All. Greg Kelly, welcome back. So good to be back, Eric, and you're amazing and amazingly dressed as usual. Seriously, the best dressed guy around.

You don't have to wear a tie these days to be well-dressed. I was going to say wearing a tie would be Gilding the Lilly, and we know that that's just not worth doing. Gilding Lily, by the way, I coined that phrase in one of my early poems. Shakespeare gets credit for it, but I don't care. I'm like Reagan. You know what I mean? I don't care who gets credit.

Okay. Greg Kelly. Greg Kelly, you wrote a book. Now, again, to refresh those in my audience who might have missed your last appearance on the program. you really do have an interesting background. So you are currently really the star of Newsmax. I want to talk about what's going on with Newsmax and the censorship. But your book is about law enforcement.

Tell us a little bit about your background and about your dad, because that's what would give you a particular insight into law enforcement. particularly New York City law enforcement, which is where you and I live. Talk about that just for a bit so we get a set up to why you wrote this book, Justice for All. Sure. Well, look, I've been a reporter and journalist and talk show host for about two decades now. And, you know, I feel like you and I are a bit different from a lot of the folks on media. I mean, where I sense in you a genuine curiosity about the world. I've always been curious.

I'm faking that, to be honest. But if I sold you, I'm good. Eric, Eric. So if you, you do it very well, and I, you know, it used to be annoying when I was a kid because I would ask so many questions. And then I found a way to monetize that. I hung around with my dad a lot growing up. He was a police officer and the greatest influence in my life. The book is dedicated to him.

I'm not a law enforcement professional, but I am. somewhat observant. I did serve in uniform and in the United States Marine Corps. And this is a book that definitely supports law enforcement, no doubt about it. That's the thrust of it. But I also, and from my perspective, I'm not beholden really to anyone in uniform. And there are some people in uniform who deserve criticism from time to time. And too many people are kind of reluctant to do that. You know, this thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service till you're blue in the face. And nobody wants to really get real, like with those Capitol Hill cops and things like that. So the whole picture kind of

gave me a little bit of leeway to kind of say some hard truths and to visit some issues that a lot of people are staying away from, particularly race, which Obama, I think we talked about at one point was big enough and bold enough to say some hard truths about race, but he got scared. For a femtose second, for one femtose second, he was willing to use the color of his skin to bless the country, and then he backed off immediately, which is really, it's not just shameful, it's heartbreaking, because you think of the lives that might have been improved if he had had the courage to say what he knew was true. So it falls to people like you and me and a few others.

You know, I mean, conservatives on Newsmax, a white person. That's been a real, that's become very fashionable, by the way, woke elites to put themselves down over their own skin color. I hear it all the time. I'm just a white guy, so I'm not going to weigh in on this. Well, that may be fine for you, Mr. Millionaire, 65 years old. You've already made your name. You've got your money. You've got your status.

And you just want to hold on to those things. But that cancerous viewpoint or virtue signal is a trickle-down effect. Some of us are still on their way up. What about if you work at the bus depot? Are you supposed to take a step back because you are a white male? You might be Christian. Society is now saying that. But we know it's absurd.

And this really does affect the working class. I mean, it's worse than absurd. It's antithetical to America, to the, American vision of genuine equality. It's offensive. It's cultural Marxism. And the cultural elites are, they don't care. And this is one of the reasons that I love you and want to talk to you about your book, Justice For All, is that you care about the working class, the people that are going to work every day, they're trying to raise their kids amidst this madness. And you and I know that the elites that are pushing this nonsense genuinely don't care. They give it, and worse than that,

they give it lip service. They pretend that they care while they are, in fact, doing great harm to the people who live in the boroughs, who suffer when there aren't enough cops around or when the cops have been so denigrated that the cops hang back because they figure it's safer for them to do that. So we're in a tough spot. You know, and I'm surprised. I'm gratified when people come up to me and they'll say things like, wow, you're really brave for saying that, Which is a nice thing to say, although, I mean, the truth, you never really, it shouldn't take courage to say the truth. But what strikes me, actually, when people say those kinds of things is these are folks who are afraid to speak out, who have kind of, you know, working class jobs, civil service jobs, private sector jobs that are mid-level.

They're afraid to speak out. That is troubling to me. You know, ordinary citizenry is feeling this, the scourge of censorship. And that has been a real eye open. I got to tell you one thing because it's bothering me. Over your right shoulder, I believe, is the Empire Safe Building. Am I correct? You are correct, sir.

Are you sure or is it Rockefeller Center? No, no, no. I know the Empire State Building. Yeah. I know because I had this exact view for six months, literally. the exact view. I lived on 29th Street and the building looked directly at the middle to the

slight eastern portion of the Empire State Building. And this is And it's obvious that God just set this up to freak you out, Greg Kelly. See, God's in the business of doing that. God's in the business of doing that because you know we didn't do that. We don't know where you lived. But we're just here to freak you out.

And you're just here to freak you out. And you're saying, you know what? I mean, really God, as you know, God is in charge of everything, and I made some very serious decisions about my life in that room with me in the Empire State Building, just sitting there. So forgive me now that that's out of the way, I can focus on you again. Hello. Wow.

No, don't focus on me. I'm supposed to be focused on you. This is my show, and I talk to guests. You're my guest. Well, again, when we're talking about, you know, I follow you on Twitter, and I was going to say, when people say, oh, you're being brave. I get a lot of that too, and I think to myself, we have an obligation to speak the truth.

That shouldn't be extra credit. That is basic stuff. And when I say what I say and you say what you say, it's because we actually care about those people who are suffering under this draconian censorship and group think. That is evil. And you and I know that we can do workarounds and we can get it. But these people are suffering. So we speak on their behalf because they don't have a voice, and it's an outrage that this is going on. So we're properly outraged.

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Call Legacy at 866-528-1903 or visit them online at Legacypminvestments.com. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Greg Kelly. You probably know him from Newsmax. If you ever think of watching Newsmax, 10 p.m. Eastern, Greg is on. Greg, I don't want to embarrass you too much. but you're definitely the best thing on Newsmax, and there's a lot of good stuff on Newsmax, but you are particularly outspoken and I guess, you know, you can say courageous, although I was just getting through saying that, like, that's kind of our job at this point

is to speak the truth, you know, amidst this welter of lies. In the book, Justice for All, you talk about law enforcement, that's, you know, one piece, an important piece of the larger puzzle, and the denigern. of law enforcement by the left. I have to admit, when I first read Defund the Police, I thought, that's like saying the Democratic Party now says one plus one equals three. I thought this is either a joke or there's something's wrong because there's, I've never read anything so pointedly, obviously stupid.

You know, you could say, oh, I don't like the police because of this or this cop was a dirty cop. We can talk about that. But when you say defund the police, it's just madness on parade. How do you think that happened that just a few years ago, some of these Marxist radicals in the Democratic Party were able to put forth an idea so preposterous and, of course, so harmful to the people they pretend to care about?

Racial intimidation, weaponizing race, silencing those who know better when racist, brought into the conversation because it makes a lot of people uncomfortable. People with money, people with status will shut up and sign up for anything and everything if you take race, if you put race into the picture. They want to, it's mob justice, mob rule. And by the way, as offensive as the defund concept is, it's back in the wake of Memphis. It's back. They're sneaking it in, Democrats, you know, those who are in charge of getting people elected know that this does not work. as a bumper sticker, but it's back on the agenda.

MSNBC, they're sneaking it in. Everybody, who could be opposed to something called the BRYVAC? They were talking about the BRYVAC all morning long on MSNBC. 50 pages that outlines our whole agenda. Well, thank you so much for coming. Well, I had a feeling there was something crazy in that BRYVAC. And sure enough, on page one of the 50 pages, they will defund the police on their way to abolishing the punishment paradigm, I think they called it.

hey, by the way, you mentioned bravery and that's, it is nice. And I think, you know, it is our job. But in a weird, in a way, it's easy to be brave when you have a great employer backing you up. Now, Newsmax has given me the space with which that I can use and say things. And, and they encourage that and they like it. So, but I, I have found that bravery goes out the window when your employer gets cold feet. And that's happened to a lot of folks out there. So, So I am so grateful to be at New Snacks. I'm sure you're grateful to the folks at Salem and beyond. I mean, we have employers because basically so much of this is about income inequality.

And it's the unspoken issue. But if your employer backs you up, it's much easier to be courageous. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, that's what's so interesting to me is how you require one in a free society. one requires requires people to have courage and that means corporations whether it's Fox or Newsmax or if they don't

now you're in trouble and what I have noticed is that there's always the temptation to think you know kind of like a cowardly corporation they're like is somebody going to sue us how much money do we have to pay Jesse Jackson

and what do we need to do? In other words, they have absolutely no principles, no values, and they're not ashamed of it. They're perfectly willing to do whatever is necessary. They've bought into a deeply cynical, nealistic view of the world that says, we don't want to get in trouble, we don't care about anything else. If we can just keep our doors open for another month

or until the quarter is over, they don't actually believe in anything. And that's how corporations have been taken over by, you know, the wokeism coming into human, sorry, resources. And you think that's how a society dies. Once even the corporations are utterly without values, they'll do anything and say anything. So I have noticed, and I will be speaking to Chris Ruddy, who is the man behind newsman. about this, because that takes particular bravery in this day and age. And I thank God for the folks in Salem Media for backing me up. But when you say what you say on your program, I don't just marvel at you.

I marvel at Chris Ruddy and at Newsmax because without that, you can't do what you do. And you're giving a lot of people hope. Totally, totally. And I'm very, very grateful. And, you know, as you brilliantly summarize, you know, the corporate mentality and the lack of values, I do recall, like, the lessons I've learned from Donald Trump, you know, the way he tweets, you know, I studied his Twitter for a long time before I actually started tweeting myself and watching the reactions from sheer delight to total outrage. And then everybody moves on. Everyone moves on very, very quickly. Corporations, you know, General Mills or Proctor and Gamble, you know, no one is tweeting with ferocity about them day in and day out, right? They're just, they're like utilities.

Nobody really cares until they're in a controversy. And those executives, this is my theory, for those few hours, they've never gone through anything like it before, and they will do anything, anything to turn it off. And they'll sign up. And by the time they actually arrange all the things they have to arrange to satisfy the woke mob, the woke mob has already moved on to something else. That's right. So their response is late and pathetic.

So one of the advantages, actually, I have in writing the book and being on newsmaxes and the Twitter, just kind of not minding at all criticism. It's like looking at the weather in Portugal. It doesn't matter. And it's kind of a very freeing place to be, free place to be. And I learned it, quite frankly, from Trump. Well, it's interesting because your tweets are as close to his tweets as anyone's I've ever seen. And I say that as a compliment. there's kind of an all-caps truth-telling quality to many of your tweets,

which is also often inadvertently funny, because when somebody speaks the truth like, yeah, you just think, wow, you know, that's so rare that I have to laugh. I have to laugh with delight, not derision. And there is something beautiful about that. Now, when you mentioned what corporations are willing to, to do to get the woke mob off their back. I think we have to be really blunt. We have to understand that because they have no values except get the woke mob off my back, they would happily

kill a few Jews or look the other way while a few Jews are being killed. The reason I say this is that this is how the Nazis took over Germany. This is what they did. Bullying, intimidation. just look the other way while we do this. Now we're seeing it with BLM. We're seeing it with the woke mob. So human beings actually are suffering because of the cowardice and lack of principle in, now we're talking about corporations, but it could be anything. All of these elite schools.

I was having a conversation with a woman just the other day with one of these elite schools, like on the board of one of these elite schools in Manhattan, and talking about the Kabuki theater during COVID, how they were all being trained to express their white privilege. And I thought to myself, the Nazis had nothing on this. You know, the Nazis didn't do Zoom calls to train people. They had to do it, you know, kind of on the grassroots level. We're living in crazy times.

And so when someone like you says we're living in crazy times and is specific about it, people cheer because they think thank you for speaking up for us. So on behalf of all these people, let me say to you personally, thank you very much. You've been a great encouragement to people. I have to ask you this because I asked you last time, New York needs a mayor like Rudy Giuliani or Donald Trump or Greg Kelly. You've flirted with that. Last time you said you feel like the system is so corrupt that it would be hard to win. I want to just explore that a little further.

We just got a minute left. But, you know, human lives are at stake. We know that there are people all across these boroughs suffering because of the lack of leadership we have under one of the worst mayors in the history of this country. And that's saying something. I'd love to be – no, actually, I wouldn't love to be the mayor. It's interesting. I now know a lot about politics, more – you know, by osmosis, more than I used to know. I remember if somebody went to my dad a few years ago, very –

able gentleman and totally unknown and said, I think I could be a good mayor. My father asked him, well, why do you think that? And he said, well, I'm a very good manager. My dad had to say, well, you know, that's number 73 on the list of things you have to be to become mayor. You would think that that's first and foremost, but it's not. The system is that is that broken and that silly and that vacuous. And so look, everybody, anybody who's thinking about politics, Yes, there must be a path to victory, and maybe that's a narrow path. My concern is that path, there are roadblocks. Okay, listen, this is too important.

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Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Greg Kelly. What is that, his Jewish name? Greg Kelly is the author of Justice for All. You can see him on Newsmax every night, 10 p.m. Eastern. Greg, we're talking about the qualities that it takes, leadership qualities, but particularly to be a great mayor in New York City. To some extent, Koch had that, although, of course, he was a Democrat,

and I would differ with him on some things. But Giuliani had it like crazy. Even Bloomberg, because he was willing to follow common sense, rather than the woke mob, was able to continue in the tradition of, Giuliani. We've seen a nightmare under de Blasio and sadly also under Eric Adams. They are just, they almost couldn't be worse. And you were talking about what it takes to be a mayor. And I really think in 2014, long before Trump announced for president, my wife said, you know, Trump would be a great mayor of New York. And I thought, yes, you need kind of a maniac, a truth-telling

person who understands the wildness inherent in the city. who understands the crookedness of the unions and out all this stuff, which is one of the reasons that I hope that you or Curtis Sliwa will be the next mayor of New York City. But you have to run. And you were talking about the barriers. So continue, the barriers. What are these barriers? The barriers are new.

Look, I agree with former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker. Mail in voting is so open to corruption, to coercion. I do believe I could beat Eric Adams under the not terribly old system of showing up on election day, but where you have unions handing out ballots, I don't think a Republican perhaps will ever win citywide office again or anyone outside the machine will ever win citywide office. I just, I don't see it anytime soon. And actually, I'm very pessimistic about 2024, should Trump be the nominee? And I am a supporter of Donald Trump. I'm very clear about that. I love his policies. I also love him. I think he's amazing. And I think he's the chosen one in so many

ways. But I'm very concerned that they'll, that I don't want to say steal, but they'll mess with the election all over again. And so that's my concern. And I know that that would happen to me. Now, why don't you want to say steal? Because it's a combination of things, which, as far as I'm concerned, includes stealing. You know, in other words, there's various kinds of corruption. But I do think that that's what happened in 2020. And again, I'm offended not on behalf of Donald Trump. I'm offended on behalf of we the people, the idea that the voice of we the people would be taken away by corrupt elites.

that means we're in a war. We cannot allow that. At some point, we have to do something about it. I think people are doing things about it. Kerry Lake is doing stuff in Arizona. So I feel like there are glimmers of hope. So I don't say the word steel for a couple of reasons.

Number one, I don't want anyone to call the cops or the FBI. And we were just talking about how courageous we are. I mean, remember, there's that, there was that moment. after January 6, which it just, there was this sense that if you question the election, you know, God help you. But the reason why I don't say Steele is I personally can't prove that. I don't have the technical expertise knowledge to prove that. You can't prove that a man walked on the moon, but do we really need to shrink from saying

that a man walked on the moon? I know what you mean. That's a very interesting comparison. I can't also prove that the Earth is round. I can't actually mathematically show that to you, but I know it. But however, I really, I think it's a fair technical question. And so that is why I stay away from the word steel. I can throw out all the circumstantial evidence, which is incredibly compelling.

And also the very, I can get technical about the constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and how that was violated. But I cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was stolen. I suspect that it probably was. But that's why I hedge, to be honest. And all fairness, that the word steel, you know, can I go there? Well, you heard what I just said. I have grave concerns about what happened in 2020. And I feel like it could happen all over again in 2024 if it's Trump or anybody else on our side.

Well, I mean, for me, the real issue. And I wrote about this briefly in my book, if you can keep it about America. if most Americans don't believe in the institutions of government. In other words, if enough Americans are skeptical about our voting system, America is dead. In other words, you need people to believe that we, in fact, are the government. We, in fact, elect our leaders. Once that cynicism comes in, people pull back, and then you do get us versus them. You get, that's the government and we're the people and who do I need to pay off, you know, so that things go well for me.

Suddenly corruption is taken over. And of course you see that in all kinds of countries around the world. And so that's to me the acid that's destroying America. And it's why we have to continue to question these things. Because unless people are convinced that our elections are basically fair, we cannot have a Republican self-government. So anyway, I just say that. We're going to go to a break. Folks, I want to remind you that Greg Kelly has a brand new book out called Justice for All,

how the left is wrong about law enforcement. Greg is one of the very few voices speaking unadulterated truth on the airwaves in large part due to the folks at Newsmax. We'll be talking to Chris Ruddy. And of course, when you do those things, you get attacked, and Newsmax is getting attacked. And if you don't care about these things, you are absolutely part of the problem. We'll be right back talking to Greg Kelly. With the overturn of Roe v. Wade, lots of companies are coming out saying they'll pay for employee abortion travel and expenses.

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Let's talk about one of the few things that people have the guts to talk about is the Marxist origins of BLM and who Barack Obama is. And it's because of all this kind of weird, white guilt that people have, which is really, it's just a form of cowardice, really. and they're kind of proud of the virtue of being guilty, which is preposterous. It's just fundamentally wrong. But talk to us about what you know about the origins of BLM and about the rise of Barack Obama. Well, BLM actually came about in the aftermath of what they characterized as the murder of Trayvon Martin. Now, Trayvon Martin was not murdered. He was killed in self-defense.

George Zimmerman was attacked by. Trayvon Martin, who Trayvon Martin was not some innocent kid with Skittles. He was an aspiring gangbanger. His social media was filled with references to violence, sexual violence. He was a bad guy. He was a bad guy. And that narrative, as you know, was hijacked by the left. And it was a perfect opportunity for Barack Obama. After he was elected in 2008, 91% of African Americans voted for him. and that plummeted to about 68% in 2011. That's what polls were showing. He was losing black support drastically because the black community's plight did not improve in any appreciable way after he became president.

They were blaming him. Barack Obama chose to go all in on victim psychology. He had always been rather ambivalent than a little bit sensitive about his race and his identity. He says it out loud. You know, am I white? Am I black? The black people view me as white. They view me with suspicion.

He writes about this in his many personal memoirs and autobiographies. He decided to go all in with the victim culture. And that's not the promise he made to America. It wasn't. He was going to be the most post-racial president. Instead, for political survival and personal brand enhancement, he went all in on grievance culture, and Black Lives Matter was standing by helping him facilitate that very selfish conversation. Well, I'll never forget it when he said that Trayvon Martin, you know, he could be my son or something like that.

And I thought to myself, this is as craven as anything. It's just unbelievable because that's the moment when a president gets to be the president. the president. When he gets to say the thing that leads the country in the right direction or the wrong direction, we remember Clinton had great political instincts and he knew that he needed to distance himself from Sister Solja, who was, you know, a raptivist or whatever she was. He knew, like, I need to distance myself from that. I need to be careful. He was wise enough to listen to Dick Morris about triangulation. You know, it really is, you need to understand politics and leadership.

So when Barack Obama did that, the harm that was caused to black communities across this country, it's incalculable and horrifying. And so obviously, well, I'm glad you brought it up. But we just have a few minutes left. Any else you want to say in that? And then I want to talk about corporate culture and newsmax. I remember that moment as well in the Rose Garden. And quite frankly, the inherent racism.

And, you know, if I had his son, he would look like Trayvon. You know, 10 minutes ago in American culture, it was wrong to say that people who happen to be of the same race looked alike. You know, and now everyone is looking for somebody who looks like me, i.e. same race. I can only be inspired by people of the same race. One of the reasons why I went into the military, I was inspired personally by Colin Powell. Here's why I like the guy. He went to school in the Bronx. I went to school in the Bronx. He knew the White Castle. We went to the same White Castle. He talked about it publicly. I loved it. He didn't go to a fancy school. I didn't go to a fancy school. This is my kind of guy. Yet I guess I shouldn't have been inspired because he did not look like me. And that's what everyone's looking for now. And you mentioned the moment. Yeah, he could have been president.

And then he also said this, Obama. He's had this time to lead. And instead he said, it's a known fact that blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately stopped by police officers. That's a fact. He did not say the next part where blacks and Hispanics disproportionately are committing more crime. He had to put it in context. He should have put it in context. Instead, he didn't.

He implied that the entire. law enforcement system is racist, and that's where he really truly became such a negative, divisive force. And we're living with the consequences. Do you think he is still effectively running the country while the sock puppet known as Joe Biden pretends to be president? Do you suppose that it's Obama and his folks that are behind the scenes? Because we know that Joe Biden is not running the country, which is its.

itself madness. But what do you suppose is cooking behind the scenes? I say it in the book that Barack Obama and Susan Rice are running the country. You know, is there a memo to that effect? No, but you can connect the dots. You can take it all in. And you can also look at that interview that Obama did with Stephen Colbert in November of 2020, where he said, if I could have a stand in and I could be in the basement, calling the shots, I'd be fine with that. And he looks at the camera with this very strange, wide-eyed, I do believe in my heart and my gut that Obama and Susan Rice as a duo, they are the most powerful people on the planet right now. And Joe Biden is in trouble because he ran a foul of them. He signed up to go along with the woke agenda. They would

protect him. He could be president. But he went rogue when he went to St. Croix, this is Biden, where he's thinking about running for reelection? I mean, are you? serious? I mean, you forget what the arrangement was. So I do think that this document thing has it's an Obama operation. That's not in the book, but that's my sense. Oh, I think a lot of people have that sense. I think that's true. I have long felt that Biden, you know, he's the classic, you know, the useful idiot. We will use him until we don't need him and then we'll get rid of him. and I have very little doubt that he's not going to finish his term. That's another story.

We'll be back four minutes left with Greg Kelly if he doesn't leave us. Stick around. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, I am talking to Greg Kelly. I believe that's Irish. Justice for All is the book, how the left is wrong about law enforcement. Greg, in case people don't know, your father is Ray Kelly. Tell my audience, how long was he commissioner?

I don't remember the details of this. He was commissioner under Mike Bloomberg for 12 years, 12 consecutive years. 12 years police commissioner in New York. While he was police commissioner in New York, I lived in New York. New York was unbelievably safe. It was a completely, completely different city than it is today, not many years later. And I got to tell you, I saw this. The moment de Blasio was elected, I remember thinking, there's no way that we could slide back toward the 1970s,

toward, you know, mean streets and taxi driver. There's no way. I have seen it. it's like almost like time-lapse photography. What I see on the streets on the Upper East Side, I mean, it is amazing. Your father, you know, oversaw one of the greatest police departments in the world at a time when this city had been so dramatically transformed.

I mean, from what it was to what it had become, and then to see it go back, it's just astonishing, which is one of the reasons I know that you wrote this book, Justice for All, which is brand new, how the left is wrong about law enforcement. You've seen this with your own eyes. You've lived here. You've seen it happen. I have.

And, you know, when my father left office, you mentioned how clean, how safe, how orderly New York was. But it was also racially harmonious. We did not have racial tension for more than a decade. It was a glorious time. we know how to get along. We are being ripped apart by liberal politicians with an agenda. I still shake my head. My father left office, by the way, after 12 years in office.

In New York City, 75% approval rating, which is, this is a McQuinopeak poll. A New York Times exit poll conducted in November of 2013 had its approval rating at 68%. these are astronomically high numbers in a city that is majority non-white so everything that's happened since was unnecessary as i've said in the book you know de Blasio pretended the NYPD was broken then he pretended to fix what wasn't broken and now he's managed to actually break it and the way politics works in new york you can you only need about 200,000 voters to become the mayor of an 8 million in-person city. It's absolutely crazy. So, you know, some say it was a referendum on the NYPD. It wasn't. It just found 250,000 activists to go out and lie and then show up on the last day of

school to vote. It was the last day of school. So just all artificial and all unnecessary. By the way, you know, since today happens to be Groundhog Day, let's not forget that Bill de Blasio also murdered a Groundhog. Do people not remember this, that he dropped it? Because first of all, De Blasio is a freakish. He's a circus giant. He dropped it from the, height of about nine feet up, and he broke the little beast's neck. So in addition to eating his New York pizza with a fork, that's sick. He also murdered a groundhog on the very day called Groundhog Day. Greg Kelly, you're just too much fun to talk to.

You remind me of high pitch from the old Stern show. Have ever ever ever told you that? Huh? I'm sorry. We care to let people in on the inside Joe. We can't. Maybe the next time. It's a joy to talk to you.

Congratulations on everything you're doing at Newsmax, 10 p.m. Eastern every night. The book, The Brand New Book, Justice for All, How the Left is Wrong about Law Enforcement. Greg Kelly, thank you very much. Eric Metaxus, thank you. Thank you very much. All the best.