The Eric Metaxas Show - Heather Wilson

Episode Date: July 29, 2022

Heather Wilson is a co-founder of Give Send Go, the answer to fundraising when the cancel culture says, "No Money for You!"  Plus, Eric addresses some serious questions with "Ask Metaxas."

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Are you ready? Action. I'm ready. Okay, number one, book recommendations. What are you reading? Now, you notice how clever that is. Book recommendations, that's one question. And then what am I reading?

That's another question, right? So book recommendations, I always recommend the same books. If you haven't read them yet, what are you waiting for? Chance or the Dance by Thomas Howard with a forward by Eric Metaxus, Chance of the Dance. Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton. How about that? Have you read that? No. I would jump on it. What about Death of a Guru? Now that moves over to the second question. What have I been reading recently? There's a guy that I have had the privilege to know, Robbie Maharaj, who wrote a book in 1977 called Death of a Guru. And it really is from the inside view of somebody deep into Hinduism, which is

occultic and horrific, making his way through that culture and then eventually finding The God of the Bible. It's called Death of a Guru. So those are my recommendations. I'm also reading Nancy Piercy, an old friend, has a new book out, and she sent it to me for possible endorsement. I am just beginning to read that and enjoying it very much. Anything by Nancy Piercy, my goodness, that's another recommendation. So a lot of stuff. I just read John Zmirak's book on William Roebke, a biography. I just read the book Telos by Yakoboni is the last name. We're going to have him on the show very soon, but amazing stuff. Okay, next question.

Okay, where, when do you find yourself most calm? Usually when I'm sleeping, but when I'm sleeping, I don't find myself calm because I'm sleeping. So I guess I would have to go to often when I get to exercise. I don't get to exercise all the time, which is kind of frustrating. I'm at that point now where I look forward to exercising, which is a good place to be, because mostly in life you try to avoid exercising, but now I actually look forward to it. That tends to be a big blessing to me, very calming.

Okay. I never hear you talk about art. What type of art do you enjoy the most? And do you have any favorite artists, painters, sculptures, you know, that sort of thing? I'm sure, like me, you can find art very moving. Nah, not really. Nah, I don't like art. Actually, that's a question.

I mean, that could be like a whole program to talk about. I mean, I do talk, in my book, if you can keep it, I talk about the poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, which I hope this person doesn't only mean visual art, but that poem I find so moving, the midnight ride of Paul Revere. But I tend to prefer representational art to anything after the Impressionists but that's such a big question.

It's like I want to do a show on that. Yeah, we've had the artist, the book, the woman wrote, Is That Art? Remember that we should? Well, we've had so many. I mean, honestly, we've talked about art a lot on the program, so maybe this person is a new listener. But I have to say that my tastes are very, very eclectic, so I can't really answer that very easily.

I like cereal box art, you know, Count Chocula, Captain D. Count Chocula, man. Yeah, what a guy. Will there be another NYC Let Us Worship event soon? Well, you have to go to let us worship.us.us. Because there will, I think in October, maybe sooner, but you have to check it out at let us worship. Dot us.

Or actually, wait, I think there's one in September. I think I just said I could be there. I think September 25th. I think it's September 25th in Times Square. Yeah. And I'm going to be there. Our friend Sean Floyd. That's the latest I have.

But please look into it because there's, should be something in September 25th, yeah. Who do you think is the most underrated author of the 20th century? That is easy, easy. The answer is C.S. Lewis. C.S. Lewis is a literature unto himself, kind of like Shakespeare, where you just think he's absolutely sweet, generis. There is no one like Lewis.

His genius across the genres is astonishing, is unprecedented. Frankly, you know, even Shakespeare didn't express his genius over various genres. He expressed it in one genre. But Lewis, my goodness, he wrote fiction, he wrote works of apologetics. He wrote so many different kinds of things. He wrote poems that are spectacular. And I have often said that his book Paralandra, which we've talked about a couple times on this program not so long ago, with James Como and with Christiana Hale, that book ought to be taught alongside Paradise Lost in survey courses of English literature.

But we realize that literature departments, English departments across America, except in a handful maybe of openly, overtly Christian schools, have gone off the rails into woke madness. And that's been going on for decades. But C.S. Lewis's stuff, there is no one in the 20th century that can compare to him. I have to say he has to be the most underrated author of the 20th century. This next one is a tough question. Who has been the absolute best guest you've had on on the podcast? We get this question every now and again. It's kind of a standard question, even a cliche, perhaps.

But the problem with it is, I don't know. I don't have an answer because we've had so many great guests. There's no way for me to do that justice. We've had some guests that are kind of duds, but usually our guests are pretty amazing. and I have to tell you, they're amazing in so many different ways. Some of them are hilarious. Some of them are just fascinating. So that's one I never can answer.

I apologize. The guest we have on today is the best. Yeah, today. Do you think there's a possibility Democrats and Republicans can find a neutral ground? I hope not, because the Democrats have gone over into Marxist, anti-American madness. You have to call a spade a spade. They are nothing like the party. of Tip O'Neill, of Sam Nunn.

They have gone over into spiritual darkness. They seem to hate the founder's vision of America. So you can love them as people. You can pray for them. But the idea that you should find common ground with somebody who's wielding a knife and trying to stab you in the head, I don't know that I want to find common ground with those people. I would rather simply do what is right and hope the American people have the wisdom to decide to kick Marxism to the curb. They're not even the party of Bill Clinton way back one. No, of course not. No, he looks like

Reagan compared to it. Exactly. Okay, what is your favorite quote? There are so many, but one that I find myself using a lot lately. Actually, my hero and ultimately my friend Chuck Colson used to quote this in almost every speech, and it sums up a lot of what I'm trying to say these days. Abraham Kuiper was a Dutch theologian and statesman around, you know, the latter part of the 19th century, early 20th century, and he once said, there is not one square inch of all creation, over which Jesus Christ, who is sovereign, does not say mine. In other words, we're to take our faith everywhere. We're not to put it in a religious box, and so I'm going to go with the Kuiper quote.

Great. Have you always known you were going to be a writer? No. But I think it's interesting. when I was pretty much by the time I was 17 my freshman year in college, and I think I knew then that I would be a writer. I'd always had an affinity for the humanities and stuff, but I was kind of confused.

I don't know what I was going to do with myself, but I think already then I knew that my affinity for literature, classic literature in the Western canon, it was so strong I thought, I want to do this. I knew that this was kind of at the heart of what I cared about. Great. Okay, here we go. What is the most interesting thing you have learned this month,

and they say make it super interesting? Oh, because I wasn't going to do that. I was going to keep it mildly interesting. So thank you for the hot tip. The most interesting thing that I have learned, I'm not joking. What I've learned is that my guests on this talk show that we're taping next week, August 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 8th, one of them is going to be Danny Bonaducci. That is so insane to me that Danny from the Partridge family, whom I have loved, you know, since I was a kid myself,

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of give, send, go on the program. Heather Wilson, welcome. Thank you so much for having us. Listen, I want to, I want to explain to my audience because most of my audience probably doesn't know about this. Give send go. I am on the platform. Give send go. And the fact that you guys exist, when I met, I guess I met your brother Jacob in D.C.

And we had already gotten on the platform. And I'm just astonished when someone steps up and does the right thing and creates a platform to stand against the woke, Marxist, anti-American, insane mob that is out there. So I'm just so glad that you, Heather and Jacob, created Gives and Go. But for my audience that knows nothing about this, tell us the story. Tell us the story of that other platform and why you started GivesendGo. When we started Givesendgoe, we actually did not know where we would be finding ourselves in the battle today.

We started about eight years ago, some siblings. I'm from a large family. Jacob and I are two of 12 children. Yeah, big family, six boys, six girls, same mom and dad, not Catholic. Those are all the questions. That's like a TV show. I was going to say, same mom and dad, not Catholic. That was the question.

That was the question. You're obviously Catholics or Mormons or something. No. But I'll listen, anytime I hear about big families like that, that's as a separate issue, but I just rejoice. There's just something so beautiful about that. We're not here to talk about that. But I just want to frame this.

So as you explain this, what is the other platform that everybody's familiar with that has gotten pretty woke? We don't even like to name them, but go fund me. Okay. So people need to know that this kind of crowdfunding thing, GoFundMe a few years ago got popular, and you'd put something up on there on GoFundMe, and people could raise money. And pretty quickly, we discovered that GoFundMe, me was woke. Like a lot of these corporations, they either have no values or they have values that are antithetical to the values of most Americans that I know. And so they begin canceling people.

They begin taking sides rather than being a neutral platform to raise money. They begin, it's kind of like if FedEx said, we're not going to send your package because we don't like you. And you think, wait a second, it's just your job to send packages. Like you're not supposed to. So when GoFundMe started going woke and started canceling people that I think of as heroes, I said, this is a nightmare. This is a terrible thing. Then GiveSend Go steps up to the plate and you are doing an amazing job. But talk about how this happened.

I mean, how did you create Give Send Go? What made you think about this? So we had seen GoFundMe becoming a thing and it was actually a really cool thing to watch people to be able to come together, give money, and see causes and people helped. And we thought as a Christian family, wow, what if we were to, that's what the church should be doing, first off, is helping people. And if we all work together, we know we can make a bigger impact. What if we were to create a platform that does the same thing as GoFundMe, which is allow people to come together, give money to solve a need? But as Christians, we understand that money doesn't

solve all those needs. It's definitely helpful. It meets the material needs, but we know that there's a hope that's bigger, that when people are raising funds, a lot of times it's for a hopeless situation, and they're feeling alone and devastated, maybe a cancer diagnosis or a lost child who died in a car accident, some pretty heavy things. And we thought, what if we had a platform that we shared hope with people as they fundraised and met both of those needs that people have today? And so GIFS and Go was born just as an alternative. I can tell you now we call ourselves the replacement because like what you said, when a company decides to segregate half their audience, and we call it woke, I even call it

judgmental. They don't, they want to cast judgment on anybody that they disagree with. When a company does that, they're bound to fail. And so we're not just going to be the alternative or the parallel. We are going to be the replacement. Well, look, when we're talking about the free market, we know the free market has limits. If somebody says, okay, we're going to do slave trading or something, you say, no, we can't deal with that. But the point is that in America, the idea that major corporations that in many cases effectively act as monopolies,

whether you're talking about Amazon or YouTube or Twitter or Facebook, that they have made a decision not to abide by American values, but to abide by these kind of Chinese communist, Marxist, It's a chilling thing. So first of all, everybody needs to understand that. And when you have an option, you need to go with that option. So when you guys created give send go, I was thrilled, and I think I said it. I am on give send go because we have good reasons to be on there and difficult reasons to be on there. I am being sued. We have legal bills. YouTube canceled us. And so we need help. And I thought if I get on GoFund me, they're probably not even going to, they're going to cancel me once, you know, they figure out where I'm coming from.

So the idea that gives and go is there and that people have been able to give to what we're doing in Bataxis media and to help. And we need the help. Otherwise, I wouldn't be on there. But I just have to say, this is such good news that you guys have stepped up because it's one thing to think about this, but to actually do it. So you and your brother Jacob Wells, you said he's in Boston, you're in D.C., but you created this thing, and you're helping all kinds of people. Tell us some of the success stories and some of the people that you guys have been helping names that we would know. Sure. And so actually, so we had been walking year over year growing as this alternative to GoFundMe.

And then we, you know, just as a great Christian platform, if you will. And we woke up one morning in August two years ago and had a ton of hate mail, which had not been the case up until then. And we thought, what's going on on the site? And we pull up and very quickly we find a young man named Kyle Rittenhouse has come to our platform because he has been canceled off every other social media platform. They took away his voice and said, you don't deserve. We're going to judge you by the little clips we see on Facebook or the mob mentality. we're going to say you're guilty. We're not going to give you the right that's afforded to you in the United States.

And so Facebook, GoFundMe, PayPal. Everybody had canceled them, him. And he came to give and go as his last resort. And he found a place where he was able to raise over $600,000 for his legal defense fund. And more than that, he told us that we have a pray now button on our campaigns where people can send messages of hope and encouragement. And he said there were times where he felt so alone. and just to go in and be able to read those encouraging messages was as valuable as the money at points of that struggle. And so Kyle started us off being thrust into this national spotlight for just allowing someone to raise money for legal defense,

which is absurd that that would be what caused so much angst in people, that we were allowing someone to raise money for a legal defense in the United States, where he's supposed to be innocent until he was proven guilty, and then we all saw what happened. That's the whole thing is that we have people out there, and by the grace of God, this will change. But we're living at a time when people feel it's like the Salem witch trials. I mean, these kinds of things have happened all through history. It's a mob mentality. It's satanic.

It's very dark. And it takes people over, and they begin to be, you know, judge, jury, executioner. no longer care about fairness. They no longer care about evidence. They no longer care about the basic standards of American civil society. Innocent until proven guilty, let the man, let the woman have her say. We don't do that. And so that's why we, Metaxis Media, and I myself personally, turned to you at Give Send Go, because I thought, we're living in crazy times. I can't even And I can't even have the Eric Metaxa show on YouTube. Why?

Because I dared to have on a guest to talk about the election or to have a guest on to talk about the vaccine mandates. And you think this is called living in a free society. We're supposed to be able to talk about these things. And I just want to say that we're going through tough times. But the good news, and this is kind of, you know, when people say this is the good, the invisible hand of the market, that folks like you and your brother pop up and you create these things, and people are just rushing because they say, we didn't know this existed. We are just thanking God that there's a place we can go where we don't have to worry about

getting canceled because somebody cocks their eyebrow and says, well, we don't like you. You're to this or you to that. So give, send, go is the platform. And I read all the encouraging messages. I want to tell you, Heather, I read them. I get choked up sometimes that there are people out there. they're tracking with me. They're following what's going on and they want to encourage me or they want to thank me or something like that. And I, it's just a thrilling, it's a thrilling thing

that you guys exist. So actually, it's give send go.com slash Eric for me. I don't even think you have to put in Metaxis. It's just Eric. But there's so many other folks that are there. When we come back, we're talking more to the co-founder with her brother, Jacob, Heather Wilson, of give send go, give sendgo.com. This is good news, and we wanted to share it with you, folks. Stick around. My pillow is having their biggest sheet sale of the year. You've all helped build my pillow into the amazing company it is today.

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A non-woke alternative, which is to say an actual alternative to go fund me, which I just have to say, Heather, it's heartbreaking that these things that come out there like, like GoFundMe, that they go south, they take these ideological points of view. The biggest story in recent months was what GoFundMe did. This is so despicable. It's just amazing with the money that people gave to the Canadian truckers to show their solidarity with the Canadian truckers. It gives them go. I mean, I can't even believe they had the ability to do this.

But this is why you guys go, you know, give Sengo, why you need to exist because of what GoFundMe did with the truckers. Talk about that. It was crazy. It actually spurred us to be way, more people using GiveSango now because of what GoFundMe. They showed their colors in such a way. It was unbelievable. So people had gone, the Canadian trucker. started a campaign on GoFundMe.

They raised $7,8 million, Canadian dollars. And then what happened is that they, GoFundMe, decides they're going to freeze the funds because they're not sure if it's legal or it just goes against what GoFundMe stands for. And so instead of just saying we're going to refund these funds, first they try this whole thing. And I would love to be in the boardroom seeing these people decide on this, where they go, Let's just tell people we'll designate the funds instead to charities of our choosing, which is just absolutely insane. Wait a minute.

That's called theft. It is theft. It's called stealing. You give your money to one thing, and then the people take the money. It's like the bank saying, you know, all that money that you've saved over the years in the bank, we've decided since we have the money, we're going to spend it on things that we like, and there's nothing you can do about it. I mean, that is utterly beyond belief.

called theft. And this is what GoFundMe has done. I mean, I don't know how else to process that. Where did they get the idea they had the right to do that with money? That's not their money. It's this mentality that they feel like they should be able to control things. And we're watching it happen just recently with the bodega clerk, right? Here's a bodega clerk in New York who gets attacked and he uses self-defense.

and ends up killing the guy attacking him. And he's taken off GoFundMe because GoFundMe says, oh, we don't allow violent criminals, the defense of violent criminals. I'm like, he was not the violent criminal. He was defending himself against the violent criminal. And they wouldn't let him raise money for his legal defense, even though it was obvious self-defense.

We're seeing it happen again, again. It doesn't make sense. And that's why there are alternatives popping up. That's why people are stepping on and saying, we need to make platforms that stand for freedom. At Gibbs and Go, when Kyle got a, found not guilty, people said, we're so glad Gibbs & Go had stood with Kyle. And we said, we didn't stand with Kyle.

We didn't know if he was innocent or guilty. That is not the fact. The fact is that we will allow people, even that we disagree with, because we live in America and everybody deserves a voice. I mean, again, I have to say, I was so glad to realize that Gibbs and Go was a place where where I could go because, you know, we have real needs and we want to connect with our audience and say, if it's possible for you to help, we'd be super grateful. But I know that if it weren't for give, send go, I wouldn't be able to do that. And again, this is the good news of the free

market is that we see things popping up here and there. Not enough. But in this space, I mean, I am just thrilled that Give Send Go has popped up and that people don't. People don't. don't ever need to go to go fund me. You can forget about it. And I have to say, it's one thing if somebody makes a mistake once, but they have doubled down. I mean, the thing with the bodega clerk recently, you kind of think, what world are they living in that they feel that they need to be the arbiter of these kinds?

I think it would be like a bank saying, well, we're not going to take your money because we don't like you or you think you're just a bank. You just have a job to do. What are you talking about? But it's gotten to be like that, which is why. I want to encourage people to check out Give SendGo, GiveSendGo.com, because you guys have, you've done it and you've done it big. And, I mean, you've raised a lot of money for a lot of great causes. And I just want to say on behalf of my team and behalf of Americans who love America everywhere, thank you.

Because we really do need this. Well, we are glad to be filling this space watching the segregation happen on these other platforms where they segregate half of society. we say, no, we're not going to stand for it. We're happy to be here. We're happy to be a platform that stands for hope and for freedom. Well, you know, it'll be interesting to see how things play out with these other monopolies, these other gigantic platforms, whether it's Twitter or Amazon or YouTube, because it has a chilling effect on freedom.

And folks, if that doesn't mean anything to you, that's where we are. Because so many of us, we don't even understand what is happening. but when folks like you, Heather and your brother, Jacob, stand up and create something like Give Send Go, you're just making it possible for us to plot away out of the woods here, that we're going to get out of this, but we need to link arms and work together. So I want to say to anybody, by the way, who's gone to GiveSendGo.com slash Eric and donated to what we're doing, I just want to say thank you to those people, and I read every one of those messages on there, And I just want to say, again, that is a big part of what's so beautiful, that people are able to, you know, if they just give a little bit.

But then they say something sweet about why they're doing it. I thought that's just worth more than I can possibly say. I want to, I think we're at a time. Heather, it givesendgo.com is the platform. God bless you and Jacob. And may the Lord continue to use you. You're doing his work. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Hey there, folks. I'm talking to Pete and Seth Talbot. Remember them? They're my friends. And they are the Talbot group. Okay, we're doing a series of business questions where I asked this kind of a classic question and you guys answer. All right. So the question has to do with five-year business plans. What do we think of five-year business plans? I think it's appropriate for me to answer that question first and then let him take it from there because I'm older. school, we talk about this. If you go to our website, talbot group dot com, you'll see that we are a combination of old school and new school. And quite frankly,

and I'm glad this is true, you need both. You need both. But in the old school model, I grew up with businesses developing five-year, even 10-year business plans. And certainly five years and three years and two or one

year, well, if you're building, if you develop a five-year business plan and stick to it, you're almost guaranteed to lose, to fail. Toyota said that they have a hundred-year business plan. I remember that being a thing that they were very proud of having a hundred-year business plan. Isn't that amazing?

Well, and they're in serious trouble with, and it's not that surprising that they're as far behind in innovation and developing in the future with new cars. So wait, is the point that five years is too long? Way too long. It's too long because things are changing so much that by the time you get to three, you're already... Yes. In fact, one-year business plans are great. Yeah.

But if you don't have your finger on the pulse of your business, your website, your conversion, your retention, all these. If you don't, the economy is changing, marketing strategies are changing, technology is changing. You have to have your finger on the pulse, making changes. Yeah, I would say that there's a difference between having a one, two, three, five-year business plan and knowing what your key performance indicators, so in business, those are the key metrics, so KPIs. Your KPIs, keeping those as your primary targets, may not change throughout 10 years, meaning you know new customers, retention, lifetime value of a customer, how long they stay with you, the margin off of that, your cost of goods sold.

so how much does it cost to deliver the product or service you're delivering? Keeping your eyes on those and having targets for that, that makes sense. But one of the things that I'm always stunned by is that because the idea of having these really sophisticated, fully vetted 20-page business plans is kind of an older school way of looking at it, you run into this kind of almost like a generational disconnect where these older business owners feel like, without having that, they don't have a legitimate business. when in reality, as you're developing new products or services, or if you're taking an existing product or service and you're trying to make it work,

there's going to be some decision forks that come up of if this works, then what do you do? Right. Well, how do you create all the different variation spin-offs? You don't. Now, having targets of what you're trying to get to makes a lot of sense, saying we want to try to get to X amount of revenue, or we want our cost of good sold to get under a certain amount, which means we have to get to a certain volume.

Because a lot of times you can't deliver your, if it's a physical good or whatever, you can't get your cost down until you hit way bigger numbers. So keeping precise vision and obsessive focus on those is consistent. But there's so much responding to what's working and what's not that has to happen. It sounds like what you're saying is that the standard five-year business plan can be unnecessarily limiting. Yes, because you're never going to think of all the different variations. I mean, if you're doing what you're doing, which you're. you should in any business do a variety of A, B testing to figure out if this offer works better. If this incentive to stay subscribed or to stay as an active customer works better, how does that

not immediately change your business plan? Because it has to. Because if you found that, again, you heard me say that founders usually start a company because they're in love with A, B, and C. And if they found some traction, customers often just only care about C, D, and E. And you don't even know the D&E exists. Well, when you discover D&E, trust me, that should impact your business plan and what you're attacking. And a lot of times, business owners don't know how to do that because what got them here won't get them there. And because they've found that A, B, and C worked, they're convinced that A and B are also what's part of the value proposition that someone cares about. And so, again, once you realize that no one cares about A and B. Doesn't mean you change your values. Doesn't mean you change why you care

about the business and that that may be an internal culture thing. See, a lot of times companies blend their internal ethics of why they're there versus, and they map that to why the customers are going to buy their product. I think of it as the standard head versus heart thing. Like you've got this passion and that's good, but it can eventually cloud your judgment. It all, always does. It always clouds your judgment. And that can be the thing that drives your corporate culture. That could be the glue of your culture. The things that got you there that made you so passionate about this, a concern for a specific thing, like that got your passion. A lot of times business owners started something on their own because they were ticked off. A lot of innovation

comes from someone being in a vertical for a while and saying, enough is enough. Why didn't somebody do this. And so there's that sort of passion behind it. That's the glue in a culture. But that doesn't mean that your customers care about the things that you went through that made you want to start the business. And so being able to say, okay, what are the things that got you

here, you deconstruct it and then say, let's move this forward. Once you start testing those things, it may mean that you de-emphasize A in this situation. And owners sometimes really choke on that. It takes a little humility, let's be honest. I mean, you're talking about proverbs all the time.

It takes humility to look at a situation honestly that way and to think, well, maybe what got me here is no longer going to work. Am I okay with that? And why wouldn't I be? And especially for older business owners, they get into a rut, they get into tradition, and it's hard for them to make the change. I got lucky because my son is gifted in these areas as part of the new thinking, new business. principals. And so new school, old school, we love to help businesses that are struggling and developing a business plan that is a little more flexible, a little more agile. Agile is the right word.

Agile. Okay. Word of the day. So I want to tell people they can go to Talbotgroup.com. You have a video there that can watch Talbot, T-A-L-B-O-T-T-Groop.com to find out. more or you don't mind if they call you. Do you. Call me and I'll call them back. 866 Talbot. We'd love to talk. 866 Talbot. Got it. All right. Thank you. Uh-oh. We just have a few minutes left Albin. We got a lot of stuff to get in here before we go.

First of all, we can't talk about the Ron Howard film. You and I and Chris saw it last night. It's astonishing. I think probably this week, Friday, I think I'm supposed to interview Ron Howard about it, so we can't talk about it, but astonishing stuff. It's called... Harrowing, realistic, astonishing filmmaking. 13 lives. We can at least say it's called 13 lives.

We'll talk more about it next week, I think, or maybe on Friday. But, yeah, 13 lives. Okay. But so that's going to be a big deal interviewing Ron Howard. I also should mention, speaking of interviewing big deals, we are taping the late night show, the talk show with Eric Mataxis in the studio downstairs here at TBN, August 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 8th. This is a huge deal. Let me say, if you can't be there, would you do me a personal favor? Would you pray if you're a praying person?

would you pray? Because this is a very big deal. We're taping four inaugural episodes. We have huge guests. We have George Hamilton. Talk about a Hollywood legend. There's nobody he doesn't know. It's kind of like my friend Pat Boone. I mean, it's just insane that this guy has been, I mean, he knows everyone from the 50s to the present. He has been everywhere. And I aspire to have a tan just like his. But he's going to be my guest. We've been. got Danny Bonaducci. I mean, if you're not impressed by that, trust me, I'm impressed enough for the both of us. I'm out of my mind that I get to hang out with Danny from the Partridge family. Some of you will get that. If you don't get it, just go with it. It's going to be nuts. Nuts. I am so excited about that. We have Vincent Pastoria of the Sopranos. We have the guy behind Rios, the restaurant. Some of you like buy Rios, you know, sauce. Well, there's this tiny restaurant up in Italian Harlem. It's like barely exists anymore like a mafia hangout.

We're going to be talking to him about you know, mafia cooking and murder. And also the supermodel Carol Alt he's becoming, well you've got a lot of other guests that aren't. Just don't talk to her about those things. No, at the murder, no. But we're going to talk, and by the way, we stand firmly against murder. We do. Yeah, publicly. Privately, you know,

some people need killing. But the point is publicly, we're against murder. Again it. We're again it. And so we want to say that those dates, if you go to ericmetaxis.com, you can see under the schedule how to sign up to be here. It's going to be fun. I'm telling you, it's going to be a blast. You're going to meet some of these people. You're going to meet me and Albin and whoever.

This is going to be an amazing, amazing thing. And if you can come or you know anybody who can be there, we've got a gorgeous theater downstairs. I mean, it's gorgeous, it's amazing. It's where we filmed our Christmas special three years ago. So I want to remind you that if we had many of you there, if you can get there, it'll be more fun for us. But we're going to have a full audience. Don't worry. There's like people who come to New York looking for stuff to do, so we will have a full audience.

So that's good. But also, I want to ask you very sincerely to pray because this is a big deal. You know, this is not just a, hey, we want to put on a show. We want to change the world. We want to do some things that maybe haven't been done. and I want to say that really soberly and sincerely. And have a lot of fun doing it. And sincerely, yes.

Well, there's no question about that. So anyway, that's important. And I also want to say, did I mention about Nutrimetics? No, you didn't. Just a couple days left. I didn't mention that at the beginning of this segment? No, I didn't. No, you didn't.

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