The Eric Metaxas Show - Hugh Ross (continued)

Episode Date: October 25, 2022

Hugh Ross from Reasons.org continues his fascinating exploration of both inner and outer space with amazing discoveries found in his new book, "Designed to the Core."

Folks, welcome to the Eric Mattaxas show, sponsored by Legacy Precious Metaxe. There's never been a better time to invest in precious metals. Visit legacy pm investments.com. The Taxes Show with your host, Eric Mettaxas. Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Dr. Hugh Ross, who is with reasons to believe. You really need to look them up. Reasons.org. Tons of stuff there. to help you understand just the marvels of the scientific world and how it points to God more and more and more and more to the point where I find it comical, actually. And I don't know how people who don't want to believe in God squirm away, wriggle away from believing in God.

What do scientists that you talk to who recognize the fine-tuning? What does some of them say? because you get the multiverse thing constantly. It seems laughable, but it gives them the ability just to walk away. They say, well, you know, that's my answer. You mentioned Leonard. Leonard Susskind. What is some others saying?

Because this is, I mean, even if you go back to Fred Hoyle, who as his career progressed, he more and more saw that on every level, chemical, biological, physical laws, that everything seems to have been created. And, you know, he said he was an atheist, but he was honest about this kind of thing. Well, and I noticed in the latest books being published by atheist astronomers and physicists, they're all conceding that deism cannot be taken off the scientific table. I mean, even Lawrence Krauss in his book makes that statement in his, in his book, A Universe from Nothing.

So they're coming to the recognition that there must be a causal agent beyond space and time that's engaged. But how I speak to my peers is I say, well, it's not just that attribute of God that the fine-tuning reveals. It reveals dozens of distinct personal attributes of the creator. And to see those attributes,

we really need to look at all the disciplines of science. and their sub-disciplines. And so I get to meet a physical scientist that doesn't concede that there really is overwhelming fine-tuning evidence. But I encourage them. You need to look beyond what you know to look at the rest of the fine-tuning data that we have and recognize this is revealing not just one attribute of that causal agent,

but multiple attributes, and it's leaving you no other option than that the God of the Bible created the universe and personally designed it so we can exist on this planet. So give us an example of that. In other words, on one level we're talking about, you know, people can see fine-tuning and they can say, well, I see how a God or a transcendent force outside of time and space was likely responsible for things being the way they are. but you're saying that fine-tuning is revealing attributes of that God, of the character of that God, of whom we know to be the God of the Bible.

So where does fine-tuning point to attributes of God rather than merely the existence of God? Well, what I do as scientists is try to help them understand the degree of fine-tuning we're looking at, and they're aware of some of this, but I try to show them things that they're not aware of, and basically make the point. even on something like the dark energy parameter or the quantity of exotic dark matter, we see a level of fine-tuned design that is sensitive. If you change it by one part in 10 to the 120-second power, there is no possibility for life anytime, anywhere in the universe. And I say, let's compare that with the very best example of human inventiveness and engineering achievement. And the very best example I can think of, the fine-tuning is one part in 10 to the 26.

And we compare that to one part in 10 to the 22. 122, we realize we're dealing with a creator that at a minimum is 10 to the 97 times, more intelligent, more knowledgeable, more creative, more powerful, and more caring than we human beings. And so what I'm doing is saying this is not just a deistic God, This is a personal God, because only a personal being can manifest the attributes of intelligence, knowledge, creativity, and power, and care. And the fact that it's at that high of a degree, based on just one parameter, let alone the other thousand parameters that we could also add to the discussion, basically tells us we're dealing with a creator that is mind-boggling, more intelligent, powerful, knowledgeable than we human beings. And who does that leave amongst all the gods of the religions of the world?

Only the God of the Bible matches what these measurements basically tell us about the agent beyond the universe. We were talking a little while ago, I was saying we were in the weeds, but you were talking about a recent paper that a scientist, not a believer, but just a scientist who discovers that the radio, and so on and so forth, coming from the early sun, ought to have devastated the possibility of life on Earth. But then you talk about the formation of the Earth, what are we talking about, 4.5 billion years ago, roughly. And you say that because of the way Earth was formed, Mars was not formed this way, Venus was not formed this way. It's kind of fascinating, but just the Earth was formed in a way that a proto-earth combines with another planet that collides into it to form the Earth and then to form the moon off of that Earth.

Obviously, the atmosphere of this early Earth explodes out into the universe and we get something closer to the atmosphere. We have all this kind of stuff going on that if it had happened any other way, we wouldn't be. be here, life wouldn't be here, the Earth wouldn't be what it is. But you talked about, initially, our moon was much closer to Earth. What period of time are we talking about? And how, at what rate has the moon been drifting away from the Earth to where it is now about, you know, 240,000 miles away? How close was it during this initial period? Yeah, the moon is spiraling away from the Earth at a rate of between three and four centimeters per year. But when we realize is that if you go back four billion years ago,

we have the moon much closer to the Earth than it is today by about a factor six times. So it's six times closer than it was. That's close enough that you can get a couple of magnetosphere. Now, the moon is a smaller body than the Earth. By the time you get past four billion years ago, the moon loses its magnetic field because the liquid, iron is no longer liquid. It is cooled. But by that time, the sun is no longer the risk that it was in its first half billion years. So the Earth's magnetic field by itself is adequate to protect life on planet Earth. But it needs the moon's help for the first half billion years. I mean, that alone, it is astonishing. And it really makes me think of, if I didn't believe in the God of the Bible,

I would just say, who would take such exquisite care? There's just something so beautiful about the way this, as you tell this, it's just an amazing thing, that the moon was right next to us for a season to help us withstand the radiation coming off the sun. And then over the eons, the moon moves away. It decouples from our magnetosphere. But at that point, we no longer need to share a magnetosphere with the moon. I mean, this is, I've never heard that before, but it seems that... The moon also slows down our rotation rate.

And so we need... The Earth started off with a two-hour-per-day rotation rate. Today it's 24. And if it's 23 or 25, you can't have human civilization. It has to be 24, and you want it to be 24 when the sun becomes maximally stable, which is a very narrow time window in the sun's history. And the amazing thing about the Earth Moon system, we've got a 24-hour rotation rate at exactly the right time in the sun's history. Okay, folks, are you listening to this?

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but the idea that early on, the earth would rotate not once every 24 hours, but first it was every two hours. and then it slowed down over time. There's some kind of breaking device. I'm not sure what that is. But the point is that we are now at about 24 hours per day in the rotation. And you say that if it were 23 hours or 25 hours, most people would think, well, what's the big deal?

I would just get more or less sleep. What's the big deal? You're saying if it were that slightly different, we couldn't have life as we have it. We could have life. Bacteria can handle a shorter rotation rate. But if you want global human civilization, it's got to be 24 hours a day. If it's 23, you're going to get very laminar weather patterns,

which means you're going to get precipitation only part of the planet, not all of the planet, at a level necessary for human civilization. If you go to 25 hours, that means a day-night temperature difference is going to be too great. 24 is optimal. And that's where we are right now, thanks to the breaking effect of the moon on the Earth's rotation rate. Okay, so we don't have hydraulic brakes, but we have lunar breaks. And if it weren't for those lunar breaks, we would be spinning and spinning.

But it's interesting to me, what you're saying, this is not just your theory. Other scientists who are not Christians agree that if our plans, planet was spinning every 23 hours or every 25 hours, we could not have civilization as we have it today. That's correct, yes. And actually, we recognize that every body in the solar system must be fine-tuned to make advanced life possible on Earth. So all eight of the planets have to be fine-tuned. The sun has to be fine-tuned. Even the five asteroid and comet belts that orbit our sun must be fine-tuned to make global human civilization possible here

in planet Earth. And now we astronomers can actually observe comet and asteroid belts around other stars. 80% of them have no asteroids and comets at all. The other 20% of asteroid and comet belts a thousand times bigger than we see here in planet Earth. Our star the sun is the only one with the asteroid and comet belts that would permit the existence of advanced light on one of its planets. Now, what difference could it possibly make, what kind of asteroid and comet belts we have? Explain what difference that makes? You obviously don't want to have asteroid and comet belts a thousand times bigger. That means we're going to be bombarded quite regularly with very destructive events.

But you don't want to have none at all. So, for example, Earth's gravity is sufficient to hang on to water, but we do lose a tiny amount to interplanetary space. And so over billions of years, we will lose all of our water. But what replaces the water that we lose is comets. Comets are 85% frozen water. And our planet gets hit by 10,000 comets a day on average. Wait a minute. 10,000 comets a day hit Earth, 10,000 snowballs a day.

day? They're tiny snowballs. And so, yeah, we don't notice it because they evaporate in the atmosphere. So they don't make it anywhere near my head, is what you're telling me. Yeah, right. But it replenishes a tiny amount of water we lose to interplanetary

space. So it sustains life. And also, we need some of these asteroids are very rich in heavy elements. So, for example, 80% of the gold and platinum, that circulates in our economy came from an asteroid that struck hundreds of millions of years ago outside of Johannesburg.

50% of the nickel in circulation comes from an asteroid that struck in Ontario, Canada. Now, you said 80% of the gold came into our atmosphere, came to Earth, on one asteroid? Well, the thing about asteroids, it delivers these metals at a lot of, very high pure abundance level, which means they're easy to mine. There is lots of gold in the Earth's crust, but most of it is very difficult to mine and process. The gold we get from South Africa, it's cheap to harvest, and it's really, it's responsible. And that's, so that's the main one. And when roughly did that asteroid strike Earth? About a quarter of a billion years ago, and about 200 million years ago, one struck in,

Sudbury, Ontario. That's the other thing. Asteroids have to hit it just the right time. I guess. I'm just so fascinated. If they strike too early in Earth's history, they get eroded away by Earth's geology. But if they strike too recently,

it's going to disturb conditions that are going to make advanced life possible, difficult on planet Earth. So you want them to strike at just the right time and just the right locations at just the right abundance level. That's another whole fine-tuning argument. Well, I have to say that I'm fascinated really. I mean, I've heard this before,

but the idea that the water level on Earth is being perpetually replenished by comets, that that is happening right now, every day of our lives. It's been happening. And that you talk about fine-tuning, the idea that water is leaving our atmosphere at roughly the rate it's coming in via comets. That alone is just absolutely astonishing. That's the kind of thing.

It strikes me that they ought to teach that in schools because it's true, because it's science, and it's at least fascinating. Yes, indeed. And again, it's ubiquitous. No matter what topic you bring up in the realm of nature, you can make a fine-tuning argument. When we talk about, you talked about the asteroid belts and if that they were, now that we know what other solar systems look like and what other stars, star systems look like, we now know that our asteroid activity here is pretty rare, you know, not too big, not too small, just right. We also know why, because the 80% that have no asteroids and comets at all, the gas giant planets migrated so close to the star and scattered out all the asteroids and comets.

The other 20%, the gas giant planets don't migrate inward at all, so the comet and asteroid belts are preserved. What happened in our solar system, the gas giant planets migrated towards our star of the sun, and reversed direction and went back out. And so we alone have just the right asteroid and comet belts to make possible advance light on a rocky planet. It's all a little spooky. It's amazing.

When we talk about, when I go around and on my popular level, I'm talking about fine-tuning, the example I always like to give is the gas giants. The idea that 400 million miles away is this planet called Jupiter, Some people, if they know where to look, might know where to look for it in the night sky and see this tiny pinprick of light 400 million miles away. But what we now know, and you're touching on it, is that if it weren't for that planet so far away, we couldn't be here because it has such gravity that it's pulling asteroids and other things away from us. So even that level of balance, it's just kind of amazing because most people wouldn't dream.

that the existence of Jupiter and Saturn could have anything to do with whether there's life on Earth. I mean, something that's 400 million miles away. How could it conceivably have anything to do with whether there's life here? But obviously, it has everything to do with it. Well, to get the kind of gravitational shielding we need for asteroid and common collisions, it's crucial that you have four gas giant planets where the nearest one is the most massive. The second most massive is the second nearest to us, then you've got two smaller ones farther out. And that's what we have in our solar system. We got the ideal configuration.

And with four gas giants, you will get mean motion resonances in the orbits, but the rocky planets break up those mean motion resonances. Literally, every planet in our solar system must be exactly the way it is in order for advanced light to be possible on the surface of planet Earth. I'm dumb enough not to know what a mean motion resonance is. Can you explain to me what a mean motion resonance is? Well, I mentioned how we got Jupiter and Saturn migrating in towards the sun. They stop reverse.

We now know what caused that reversal. It happened because Saturn was moving inward at a faster rate than Jupiter, and it reached a time when Jupiter was making three orbits for exactly every two orbits of Saturn. That's what's called the two, three, mean motion resonance. And whenever you get a small integer mean motion resonance, it destabilizes things. And in this case, it caused Mars or Jupiter and Saturn

to stop moving towards the sun and reverse and go back out. And actually caused Neptune to go way out, and the tossing out of Neptune fine-tune the asteroid and comet belt. Folks, when we come back, more fascinating, wonderful information from Dr. Hugh Ross, the new book designed to the core. You can find them at reasons.org. Tell me, Eric, why is relief factors so successful at lowering or eliminating pain? I'm often asked that question. The owners of Relief Factor tell me they believe our bodies were designed to heal. That's right, designed to heal, and I agree with them. So the doctors who formulated

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Vinia, better blood flow, better life, Vinia.com slash Salem. Folks, I'm having the fun, the joy of talking to Dr. Hugh Ross about the universe, about our solar system, about the God who rather obviously created it. The new book is designed to the core. Dr. Ross, you know, anything that I know in this field that we're discussing, I learned initially from you. and I have been reading over the years. And you and a number of those whom I have followed are what's called old earthers, people who believe that the Big Bang happened 13.8 billion years ago and that the earth was formed four and a half billion years ago.

And everything that I've read, that strikes me as reasonable. But I always get emails from people, as I'm sure you do. who are upset with me about that, and I blame you. No, and I never know quite what to say, because they seem to think that it's obvious that the Bible says, you know, that there were six, 24-hour days, and it's obvious that it happened, you know, 11.000, whatever, thousand years ago, and if you don't believe that, you don't believe in the Bible.

I think they're mistaken because I believe whatever the Bible says. I don't believe the conclusions that they draw. But what do you say? Because I know I have people listening to this program who would love to know what you think about that, why you believe what you do. Well, I wasn't raised in a Christian home. I picked up a Gideon Bible, began to go through it,

looked at Genesis chapter 1, and immediately recognized this word day must have at least three distinct literal definitions because three are used in the text. Creation day one, it uses the word day for the daylight. hours. Creation Day 4 uses the word day for 24 hours comparing seasons, days, and years. Genesis 2.4 uses that same word day to refer to the entirety of creation history, so it's day as a long period of time. The other thing I observed is the first six days end with an evening

morning statement. Evening was, morning was day three, four, five. I got to day seven. There's no evening morning phrase. And so I recognize that the first six days have a definite start time and a definite end time. But the lack of an evening morning phrase for day seven tells me we're still in God's seventh day. Psalm 95 in Hebrews 4 state that explicitly that we're still in God's seventh day. And as a 17-year-old reading that in the text, it answered for me the fossil record an enigma. Why we see all these new orders and classes and phyla showing up before humanity, but none of that after humanity. For six days God creates on the seventh day he stops creating. It answers the fossil record enigma. The Bible also tells us that the laws of physics have not

changed. Seven places in the Bible tells us the laws of physics are constant, which is why we have science. The laws of physics weren't constant. We couldn't trust anything we measure. But the Bible explicitly says they are constant. Every Young Earth creationist model critically depends on the laws of physics being radically altered at the fall of Adam and the flood of Noah, not by just a little bit, by over a factor of a million times.

The Bible explicitly rules that out. So my point is, if you read all 66 books of the Bible, Literally and consistently, it rules out a young earth interpretation, but supports an interpretation that the universe is relatively young. Only billions of years old. It's not infinitely old. What do you say, what are the best arguments on the young earth side? Because I've not really waded into these waters. But I mean, you've been in this world for decades now. What are the best arguments or what do they say that you find the most compelling on the, on the, on the, on the side that says, you know, everything began 11,000 years ago, roughly?

Well, it's not a scientific debate. When I debate Young Earth creation of scientists, they readily admit that you can't find a scientist independent of a Bible interpretation who thinks there's any scientific evidence for a young Earth. It's a biblical debate. Are these days in Genesis 1 six consecutive 24-hour periods, or are they six consecutive long periods of time? Although people like John Lennox have a different model, they say the days are 24 hours, but there's an age between each of the days.

But the real debate is, are we looking at a planet that's only thousands of years old or is it billions of years old? And as I've debated these younger creations, they promote what's called the diversification of life. But it's a rate of naturalistic evolution. that's thousands of times more aggressive than what any atheist biologists would propose. And consequently, to make their model work, they have to have the Earth only thousands of years old. But as an astronomer, I can tell you, there is a debate in the early part of the 20th century. Is the universe quadrillions of years old or only billions of years old?

The people promoting the quadrillion say, we need that to save Darwinian evolution. Billions is not enough. But the story is the young universe astronomers won. It's only billions of years old. And yes, that's bad news for those who want to explain the history of life on planet Earth naturalistically. What do you make of the argument of Dr. Gerald Schroeder, who tries to reconcile in his book Genesis in the Big Bang, which came out, I think, in 91. Right. The idea that it's both, that he makes the case that on the one hand, it's 13.8 billion years since the universe began.

And on the other hand, if you look at a different perspective, it's six-day, literal days. When we come back, I'll let you answer that question. Folks, I'm talking to Dr. Hugh Ross, the new book designed to the core. And you can find him at reasons.org. With the overturn of Roe v. Wade, lots of companies are coming out saying, they'll pay for employee abortion travel and expenses. Most of you've heard about some of these companies. You've decided to stop shopping or doing business there,

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Dr. Ross, I was just bringing up Gerald Schroeder, an Israeli scientist who wrote a book called Genesis in the Big Bang, where he tries to reconcile these two versions, the young earth and the old earth. And what do you make of what he says there?

Well, we both shared the platform at Texas A&M University years ago, and we were addressing the astrology. Department had dinner with him. So we got to talk about these issues. And he's basically referring to relativistic time dilation. That if you're moving at a very high velocity relative to the velocity of light time moves at a different rate. And so you could have a relativistic timeframe that would be, you know, 624-hour periods, but it'd be equivalent to, you know, zero time being billions of years. So yeah, you can

make that work. But my response to Gerald is when you look at Genesis 1, 2, it says the Spirit of God was hovering on the surface of the waters of planet Earth, which means he's describing the account of Genesis chapter 1 in the same velocity frame that we human beings are in. And I also made the point, look, you can't sustain the 624-hour interpretation if you read the entire Bible literally and consistently. Now, keep in mind he's Jew, a Jew, so he's looking just at the Tanakh, not at the New Testament. And also, he believes that the Kabbalah is on an equal footing with the Tanakh, the Old Testament. Yes, there I have to part company with my friend, Dr. Charles Schroeder. Well, I do, too, and it was interesting that he basically puts that at the same,

he says the Talmud, the Kabbalah, and the Tanak are all at the same level of credibility in terms of their truthfulness. Well, obviously, that's more theological, but you don't agree then with his attempt to reconcile the six days with the 13.8 billion years. You're not buying that argument? I'm not buying it just on exegetical grounds alone. I think Genesis 1-2 makes it very clear.

We're in the same velocity frame that we're in right now in looking at the events of Genesis Chapter 1. However, I really appreciate Schroeder's contribution of citing Jewish theologians 800, 900, 1,100 years ago who looked at the Tanakh and saw that it was teaching Big Bang cosmology. So he makes a very good case that this Big Bang in the Bible is not a recent idea that goes back to these ancient Jewish theologians. And you were just referencing Dr. John Lennox. whom I know and I've interviewed, but not, I've not interviewed him on this subject.

What does he purport to be the time frame? You referenced periods between the 24 hours. I didn't get that. It takes exactly the same time frame I do for the universe, earth, and earth's life, but he holds what's called an intermittent day-age view. In other words, he believes that the days in Genesis 1 are 24-hour periods, but there's hundreds of millions of years between each day. And so Genesis is describing the beginning of what God does on, say, creation day two,

but day two extends for a whole age. So in terms of integrating the Bible with science, it's basically identical to the model we have here at Reasons to Believe. So before we let you go, what other examples of fine-tuning can you give us? because I'm just so fascinated by these. There's so many in this new book designed to the core. I'll give you one. I mean, astronomers have been looking at our galaxy

in the endromeda galaxy, trying to find a star sufficiently like the sun that it could be a candidate to have a planet orbiting it in which advanced life is possible. And they have found many stars that are twins of one another, but they've yet to find a star that's a twin of the sun. And one thing I do in this book, I show you the luminosity stability of our star of the sun,

and compare that with the tens of millions of stars of astronomers have measured that luminosity stability, and I show you the one that place is second. The one that places second has a luminosity instability five times greater than what our sun is manifesting today. And we need that extreme solar luminosity stability to have billions of people enjoying civilization, so the goodness of salvation could be taken to all peoples.

And of course, you're assuming that we all know what luminosity stability is. I have an idea, but tell us. Brightness of the sun. In other words, this brightness is extremely stable, which means we can have climate stability on the surface of the Earth, thanks to that solar immensity stability. And there's no other star we can find anywhere in our galaxy that has sufficient luminosity stability

to make that possible. That's kind of amazing, really, because how many stars are there? I mean, the idea that they are all that unstable, again, that's almost funny. I mean, it seems to me that you would assume that there would be billions that would be comparable instability. But you're telling us nothing's even close. Nothing's even close that we have found so far. we've only looked at about 70 million stars.

Oh, wow. I mean, it's about 200 billion in our galaxy. The ones that are far away, we can't measure accurately enough to make this kind of test. But the fact is, we've looked at millions of them, and our sun stands alone in having the luminosity stability. But there's another point, too, only because the sun is 4.57 billion years old doesn't have that stability. I tell people, stars are like human beings.

They're unstable when they're young. They're unstable when they're old. They're maximally stable when they're middle age. But where stars are different. Their stability period where they're maximally stable is an incredibly narrow window at time given the age of that star. Well, and that gets us again to all of these parameters of fine-tuning. Everywhere you look, we see evidence of this. I know you cover so much in the book.

just looking through it the other day. And it is, there's no other way to put it. It's absolutely mind-boggling, absolutely mind-boggling. And as you taught me years ago in one of your books, that these kinds of things, we're discovering new evidence of fine-tuning every single day. If you're a scientist in whatever field you are, you're discovering these things. Let me just say, Dr. Hugh Ross, thank you. Thank you for this book, designed to the core. Thank you for your ministry, and I really do hope folks that you'll visit reasons.org. It is absolutely fascinating. Dr. Hugh Ross, thank you.

My pleasure. Hey, folks. Yeah. We interrupt this program with Hugh Hewitt. By the way, is he not insanely amazing? Hugh Ross, you mean. I'm sorry. I was just with Hugh Hewitt.

That's right. I remember I was talking at the beginning of the program. I was on the Salem Talkers Tour. Yes. So it was Brandon Tatum, the officer Tatum. Oh, yeah. It was Mike Gallagher. Oh, boy.

was Hugh Hewitt and some other folks that you may or may not know, but it was amazing. So I've got Hugh Hewitt on the brain. But this program, we have Hugh Ross, the genius Hugh Ross. And we're going to have much more of him in hour two just because we can and because he's just, it's next level. I'm going to ask him about the young earth creation versus old earth creation. I need to ask him about that in hour two. But before we go back, we. back to him, I want to remind you of two things. First of all, when I was recently in Houston, somebody came up to me and said, I do this thing where every day at a certain time, I and everyone I know I'm on a text stream, we pray for the country. Yesterday, I read a tweet that somebody

said that at the Trump rally, at 9 p.m., everybody broke out in singing the Star-Spangled Banner. Why? Why? Because the J6 protesters who have been imprisoned. This is despicable. It is so despicable and unjust in America. Those patriots unjustly imprisoned, if you don't believe that, you're wrong. I don't have time to get into it right now, but this is a scandal of our time. Every one of them who can, and they can hear each other, they sing the Star Spangled banner at 9 p.m. every night. night. And I said, you know what? Every one of us at 9 p.m., I don't know what you're doing, stop and pray for the J6 protesters and for the United States of America. Every night at 9 p.m. We're going to mention that more and more. Prayer is the way out of this abyss into which we have fallen. And I want to ask you folks to join me in this every night, 9 p.m. When it's 9 p.m. You can set your alarm.

Pray for the J6 protesters that justice be done and pray for this nation. We need deliverance by God from where we are. There is no other hope. It doesn't mean there aren't things you can do. There's a million things you can do. But without prayer, without God's help, none of it will happen. I just want to say that bluntly. One thing you can do besides pray, we're doing,

a campaign for the Alliance Defending Freedom, these folks, again, they're heroes. There's lots folks like this out there, not like the Alliance Defending Freedom, but I'm saying, like, you can give money, you can give time, you can pray. We need to be all in. And we're asking you, we've only got a few days left,

five days left. We are way behind. I don't know what's going on this month, but I want to ask you, folks, if you can go to MetaxusTalk.com, support the Alliance Defending Freedom. When I say they're heroes, I don't say this lightly. I know these people.

I know Kristen Wagoner, who is the head of lines. She's an amazing lawyer using all of her abilities and energies to help this nation. And she is working with a raft of other amazing lawyers to fight for religious liberty. They're fighting for you because everything that's falling apart in this country affects us. And they are taking this on. They do it for free. They really need our help. So you go to Metaxistock.com, folks, please do what you can.

Just do something. It doesn't matter what you do. Yeah, and your gift is matched. So you give $50. It becomes $100. A hundred becomes $200. So please give what you can. And by the way, if you don't give, it is not matched.

Okay. So for the other half to kick in, you have to give something. So please do that. You go to metaxistalk.com or dial 855-385-0-5-96, 855-385-385. 05-96. And don't forget, Neutrametics, 30% off with the code Eric, this month only. Neutrametics, 30% off with the code Eric, only in October.