The Eric Metaxas Show - Irving Roth (continued)

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

Irving Roth continues his story and his involvement with the new film, "Never Forget," with memories of his brother who helped him survive not only the concentration camp, but death marches.

You know, they say it's a thin line between love and hate, but we're working every day to thicken that line, or at least make it a double, even triple line. Now here's your line-jumping host, Eric Mataxis. Hey there, folks. I want to continue my conversation with Irving Roth. He experienced the Holocaust. He experienced Auschwitz.

We're talking about it right now. There's a film out called Never Again in which he's featured. It's mind-boggling to me, Irving, to talk to you about this. You seem like a very youthful 91, and you're talking about things that most of us cannot even dream about. You remember them vividly, it seems to me. You describe at age 14 and a half being sent off to hard labor from Auschwitz. Did you know that your grandparents and your aunts and uncles and others in your family who had been separated from you, that they had been murdered? Did you know that?

Yes. because there were people there who were involved in the murder, both the cleanup process, which was done by prisoners, mostly Jewish young prisoners, whose job it was well going into the gas chamber, take the bodies, put them on an elevator, take them one flight up, and burn the bodies. It was called Special Command or Zondar Commando,

whose job it was that. And of course, every three months they would change those people because they didn't want anybody to know, I suppose. and so they too were in danger. So we knew there's no question about it. How did you make sense of this at the time? Because it's so evil that I just cannot imagine knowing that this is going on. Was it something that the whole thing happened slowly

and you became more and more used to this evil around you? It was really evil, as you say, but it was an evil. genius in a way. If you want to get rid of huge number of people, you're talking the total Jewish population of Europe, there was many millions of people and six million of them were actually murdered.

I mean, you're talking about a lot of people. And for this, you need mechanisms to do it. And who was involved in this? Well, the guards, of course. Ordinary people. Somebody had to design and build all this. This was done by engineers.

technicians, builders, architects, scientists, ordinary people were involved in this process because they were brainwashed that the Jews are vermin. And the only way to get rid of vermin is to get rid of them, and that is by burning them. Nothing will be left of the Jews of Europe except ashes. Well, you're still talking, so somehow they didn't succeed, but I have to say it's amazing. It's just amazing to talk to you about this. Because you hear about it and you read about it,

but to talk to somebody who was actually there, who was in the box car, I mean, even when I hear stories about being in a box car for three days, where do you go to the bathroom? Where do you go? I mean, even that is it. You have a bucket where everybody goes, men, women, and children.

That's what you have. And, of course, the box car itself is full. You can't have all the people sitting on the floor because there's just not enough room. Take a box card which normally contain any place between 80 to 100 people. So part of the group had to stand. And every so often they would open up the box card a little bit to dump the refuse and maybe even get clean water, but then it continued. And so eventually what happens is the Russian army is coming closer to Auschwitz.

By the middle of January of 1945, they're about 50 miles away. And of the 1.2 million people, 90 some up percent Jews, what's left in Auschwitz in 1945, middle of January is total of 60,000 people. So the rest of them were now anxious. And in the middle of January, one morning, we get up and, you know, I suppose you're going to go to work, but you're not going to. to work. We marched under guard away from Auschwitz further into Germany. And something which is referred to usually as a death march. What it meant is you march or you shut. You slow down,

you're dead. So I'm trying to keep marching. My brother is beside me. We talk. He keeps encouraging me. And after about three days of this, we packed into open cars, like cold cars, cars in the middle of the winter in Poland, which is kind of cold. And the train begins to move. Hours go by. We suddenly arrive in a field almost. We're taught to get out.

And there are guards and we march with them to a new place called Bukhmalt, which is a concentration camp. And that was built in 1937 for 5,000 prisoners. That time I arrived there, between 55,000 and 60,000 people are there. What month is this now?

This is January, end of January. Of 1945. Now, we get there, and of course, because there are so many people and the facilities are not really built for it, nor is the food. And so in Bukhwamalt, if you got a boiled potato

every second day, on rare or people, you would get a bowl of soup. That was a great day. When you don't eat, people die. But I'm trying to hang on. One day my brother is taken away.

Gone. Never saw him again. And I'm there. Now I'm 15 years old, 15 and a half years old, trying to survive because we know the war is coming to an end. We know this.

And the question is, are they going to blow us up? Are they going to murder? us or are they going to let us live? And at the beginning of April, the American army is approaching. So they start death marches again. And I know what the death marches and I know I'm not going to make it because I'm down to probably about 80 pounds or so. Skelton, shuffling along. So I keep hiding. On the 10th of April of 1945, I was hiding and was found by a guard who came along with a dog and found a number of us hiding under a building in a crawl space.

Marches us out. You're standing in front of the gate. The guards begin together, ready to march us out on the death march again. Miraculously, while this is going on, the city of Weimar, which is about three, four, five miles away, is being bombed by American airplanes. Obviously, the guards don't want to get killed. So they wait on that day. The area lasted all day long, and I survived another day.

By next day, by noon, every single guard, whether he's outside of the camp in these towers or inside the camp, disappeared. It didn't matter either German or Hungarian or Ukrainian or Lithuanian, they disappeared. And 3 o'clock in the afternoon, on April 11th of 1945, two American soldiers walked into my barracks. Liberation. Nobody wants to kill me. Not only that. All they want to do is feed me, as much I can absorb. I ate too much.

I picked out. When you don't have food, you haven't had a meal in months, that's what you do. You pick out. The American army did wonderful stuff. Now here I am. I'm now 15 and a half years old. In my barracks, our 15-year-olds,

some 14 and a half and some 15 and a half. Ellie Wiesel was one of him in my barracks. So they got to do something. So what they did is took us all out of the camp immediately, within a matter of days, put us up into the billets where the Nazi guards used to live. So now we get fed three meals. a day. You're living in a lovely place. Each room has four beds in it with mattresses and pillowcases

and you knew you had made it by this time. Yeah. Yeah. I, we're going to go to a break. We'll keep you for one more segment. It's a privilege to speak with you, Irving Roth. Folks, we'll be right back. It's the Erkmataxe show. is calling yonder shine a little over, glimmer, glimmer, hey, there don't get dimmer, dimmer, like the... Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Irving Roth.

The film is called Never Again. It's in theaters, October 13th and 15th. It'll be on DVD and other places. Irving, we don't have that much time left, but what a story, and we're only scratching the surface. What a story. So on the 11th of the... April, the Americans show up and you know you've survived, but your brother did not survive.

No, I eventually found that he did not. Your grandparents and your parents did not survive. My parents survived. How did your parents survive? As I mentioned at the beginning, that they were actually in Budapest while I was in the small village in Hungary. And at one point, my father got very ill. He was in a hospital. He was in a coma for a while.

And the Jews of Budapest were the last Jews to be shipped out, marched out or shot on the street in Budapest. At that point, my father was in a hospital, in a Christian hospital. With Christian help, the Jews are being shot or deported, and they need a place to hide. This Christian woman lives in a one-bedroom apartment with her daughter and granddaughter The son-in-law is not at home He is in the Hungarian Nazi army

She agrees to take him in They hide in her apartment Police come and look for them They don't find them This goes on week after week The month goes by Another month goes by one night there's a knock on the door and who comes in the son-in-law

who is in the Hungarian Nazi army comes home for three days the wife explains to the husband about these two very distant relatives who are hiding here and you mustn't tell anybody because anybody finds out they'll tell the police because you get rewarded for that if you find a Jew they capture him you get reward maybe five pounds of sugar or 10 pounds of flour. This Hungarian Nazi soldier never betrayed my parents.

They survived. So when I came back, because I said to myself, I got to do something, what am I going to do? I'm 15 and a half years old. I'm in the middle of Germany. I got to do something. So I decided to go back and see if anybody is alive. and I found my parents.

They survived because someone was willing to help. And that is part of the critical story. There were half a billion people living in that part of the world. There are 23,000 or 25,000 that have been honored in Jerusalem and Yad Vashem. Because they stuck their neck out. Because someone came to them and said, I need a place to hide, and they took a chance.

They're the righteous of the world. I want to ask you, when did you and your family come to America? What happened is in 1939, when things began to really go bad, we actually applied to come to the United States. But of course, there was a quota system which was in force, and there was a waiting list of about five years or so, particularly for Jews. And so when the war was over, we back to Prague,

which is now Czechoslovak again, and went to the American embassy and says, hey, we applied, where are we on the list? And so on February 11, 1947, I arrived in New York. Did you arrive with your parents or was just you? With my parents. And what did you do? Well, I have not been to school for many years. So my parents decided that they will be going to work,

doing fundamentally meaning of labor, not what they were used to, of course. And I went to school. I went to school for three semesters at high school, and after which I worked for a bit of time, and then the next thing that happens to me is that North Koreans attacked the South Koreans. It's 1950. And so here I am.

I'm 21 years old. My draft board decides that I had to be in the army, and eventually wind up in the U.S. Army. for two years and served at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and get through that. Then back to school, got a bachelor's a master's in engineering. And the rest of the time, I worked as an engineer for one of the major military companies in America. It's such a story. It's mind-boggling. Have you, you've never written your story? Yes, I have. You have? Yes, I have a book which sort of describes this whole process that I talked about.

When were you going to tell me this, Irving? We're at the end. Come on. What's the name? What's the title of this book? The title of this book is Bondi's brother. What is it? Bondi.

How do you spell that? B-O-N-D-I-A-A-A-A-Rother. And the reason it's named that is because it's in memory of my brother. And it tells the whole story from my beginning to end. in some detail. So the story, if people want to hear your story in detail, they can get this book, Bondi's Brother, B-O-N-D-I-S, B-O-N-D-I-S, Bondi's Brother by Irving Roth. Yes.

And I am assuming they can find that if they, and they should see the film never again also. But I have to ask you, Irving, how do you make sense of this, that God would allow this kind of evil to befall his chosen people. Have you, you have anything that you want to say about that? Each one of us has our own relationship with each other and with God. God did not design the death camps. Man did. And I go back to Deuteronomy.

But God speaks to the Jewish people and say, I give you good and I give you evil. I give you life and I give you death Choose life Choose good We have the opportunity And the responsibility For what we do

What decisions we make This one made by evil people Who are very sophisticated In many ways Who knew more about propaganda than I think anybody else in the world at the time Who were evil Who wanted the destruction of another people

because it makes them bigger, more powerful, that ego gets built up. I'm in charge of you. That's one of the aspects of humanity that we want to be in control not only of ourselves, but other people too. Now, they did not invent this whole thing. The hatred of the Jew

has been around for 2,500 years. The sad part is that today, many decades later, there are still people who want to destroy the Jewish people. There's a whole country called Iran, whose singular objective is the destruction of all the 7 million Jews living in Israel. The reason I am very happy about the film and what I do, and I need to tell people how this could take place in a perfectly reasonable society, how decent human beings who go to church and go to believing God and the Bible

can be transformed to murders and not only do that but consider it to be patriotic that's why we have to understand and we must prevent it and that's why never again we need to watch what people say and what people do

there's a lot here to to process we're almost out of time. I assume you have a family, kids? Yes. My wife passed away a number of years ago. I have two sons. I have four grandchildren and six great-grandchildren.

All living in the New York area. All living in the New York area. It's a beautiful thing to hear your story, Irving, and to see your joy, despite the suffering and the horror that you have been through, I'm touched by that. I'm very touched by that. I'm familiar with this period of history.

I've written about it. And it means a lot to me that you're willing to tell you a story on this program and to tell it in the film Never Again. And to tell it in this book, Bondi's brother, B-O-N-D-I-A-Pos-Fi-S, Bondi's brother. I hope some people will get a copy of that. I'm sorry we're out of time, but this has been a great joy for me today, Irving.

Thank you for taking your precious time. God bless you, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure. Have a good day. Here's my question to you. We're doing a campaign with the Alliance defending freedom.

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For example, Dennis Prager. Dennis, can I interview you right now? You're a fellow Salem host. Can we talk? I am you. You said you interviewed people who are not you. I am you. We have similar views.

I'm a goy. You're not a boy. Ladies and gentlemen, I am Eric Metaxis. Yes. You're a friend and we think similarly, which is scary, which is why they have to keep us separated. But the point is that you and I, like to talk about current events. And it just so happens, we are both in a film called Trump

2024. People can go to SalemNow.com. If you use my code, Eric, they give you a 20% discount on the film. Salem now.com. The film is Trump 2024. Now, Dennis, we're both in the film, but you know, the title Trump 2024, I think, is unnecessarily frightening to Trump page. because they think this means that he's going to run again in 2024. Don't you think that that's possible, that people are thinking that? I think that the people who hate Donald Trump, I don't mean differ with him, but hate him,

would believe anything. If the title were Emperor Trump, they would believe that we are making a movie about an emperor, that we are reconstituting, the Holy Roman Empire. Right. You know what? This is a great idea. I love the idea of that. When I was at the convention, I'm always the one trying to chant eight more years just to freak people out, but it doesn't catch on. It doesn't catch on. So, but Dennis, the reason we both

appeared in Trump 2024, obviously, since I know you, I can speak for you, that we really feel that this is the most important election of our lifetimes, because we have in a sense pushed things. It's kind of like when you're running out of gas and you're on fumes, you can't pretend that you still have a quarter tank of gas. You're in trouble. You need to make some decisions. I think that's why both of us feel urgently about this election. Perhaps you will add to that. I like your analogy to the car with fumes. America is running on the fumes of its value system. That is correct. And by the way, its value system I have defined. I don't like talking in any generalized way without specifics. The American Trinity is our value

system. I gave it the name, but I didn't make up the values. They're on every coin, every bill. Liberty, e pluribus, unum, and God we trust. The left hates all three of the that. This is the undoing of America is on the ballot. I never engage in hyperbole. The only other time I ever said this is the most important election of our lifetime was the last election. I was sure that this would not be the most important, but it turns out it is. It's not about Trump. It is not about Biden. It is a referendum on America. Well, again, as I've said many times, I'm very sorry to agree with that point of view because I so wish it weren't the case. I so wish that it were, you know, 1984 or something like that, where we still had a lot of gas in the tank. But it does

seem to me that the left, with the, you know, sloppiness and laziness and lack of courage on the right has brought us to the edge of the cliff where we've really got to either pull back or we go over and it's game over. It's a long way down. It's not like we can crawl back up in the next election or 10. It would be over it. That's always my argument and it's why I'm fascinated with the so-called never-trumpers who claim to care about conservative values but don't seem to understand that we will never get to talk about them again. They seem to live in a world where it doesn't matter who becomes Supreme Court justice. It doesn't matter if you have four years, not just of a, in this case, a cipher, a Potemkin, one-man Potemkin village. But you have an entire

administration that's going to be pushing us away from the values that we know are, are necessary. What do you suppose, because I know you've thought of this, what do you suppose those folks are really thinking? Are they just missing something, a huge blind spot? How can they believe it's possible to survive for years of somebody like a Clinton or a Biden? You know, it's so interest to me that you said that. We just opened up by saying how similarly we think. we not only think similarly, we're stupefied similarly, which is really fascinating, because I'm sure when you said it,

you thought maybe Dennis does have an explanation. I was hoping. Dennis does not. Do you know that I debated Brett Stephens? He wrote a column against me. I wrote a column in response. He invited me onto the New York Times website to do a Facebook, a debate.

And I don't understand how George Will Jonah Goldberg and Brett Stephens I mean these are three people

I know love this country they don't understand with all their intelligence what is at stake who cares about Trump's personality virtually Listen, we're going to go to a break here, and we will just continue. This is very important.

By the way, folks, go to SalemNow.com. Trump, 2024 is there. If you use the code, Eric, you get a discount. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, I'm talking to Dennis Prager. And now, Dennis, I have to comment, if people are watching this on video, you look like a middle manager in corporate America. You're sitting there with your. white shirt with something behind you. It looks like some kind of, I don't know if it's a machine or a

file cabinet. It's actually very funny. Where are you, sir? I am in the ugliest Salem studio in the entire network of Salem Radio. That's saying a lot. Come on, really? Yeah, no, no. That's right. It is say a lot and I'm aware of that. Actually, this nondescript closet behind me holds the nuclear codes. That's why it's so nondescript. I see. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Well, we're talking about this film that's been made called Trump 2024. It's a documentary. You and I are both in it. I play the role, and people won't believe it, but I play the role of Hitler's half-brother, Alawist Hitler, who ran a restaurant in Berlin.

The SS would love to go there, and Bonhoeff and his girlfriend, on their only date, they went there. I play the role of Allows Hitler, and I have a small, people won't recognize me, I have a small World War I upturned mustache. I'm behind the bar, cleaning glasses, and I just look around, and then the camera moves on. But you play yourself in this film.

the role of a very tall waitress. It's hard to make me actually laugh. That is very, very, very funny. That is beautiful. In a durnal, in a durnal that was bought in a shop for transvestites, obviously. Well, let me just ask you, my friend, just to stay on substance here, since we're in danger. Which is very hard for us.

I know. In danger of getting silly. you and I are in the film Trump 2024 because we believe this is an important election. But did you ever think, and I really am being serious, that we could see what we're seeing now. I mean, on the one hand, you have, I said the one man Potemkin Village. I mean, have you ever seen a candidate? It's like the Manchurian candidate. No one has any idea whether Joe Biden can think without special drugs.

or whether he has an opinion or we'll just say whatever or who would in fact be running the country if God forbid he were elected. You know, that's number one. Number two, we have our cities burning and we have democratic leaders effectively doing nothing, seeming to side with the maniacs. We have this COVID thing, which has turned into something like a hoax because at this point, you would think there would be some sanity about how to deal with it. These are the strangest times that certainly I can remember in my lifetime.

And so I'm just wondering, where do you see us going between now and the election? I don't make predictions. I've always been preoccupied with what do I have to do, not what will happen. I know that I am morally bound to work as hard as possible to see to it that the left does not gain control of the Senate, loses control of the House and does not make it to the White House. Look, I've said this all of my life. I've written a book on it. The book is still the best hope.

And it is about the American Trinity and the left. It's a huge explanation of the left. The left, I have studied since a graduate school. I was at the Russian Institute at the School of International Affairs at Columbia, studied Russian. I read Pravda every day. And I never thought that what I learned in my specialty of communism would apply to America. This is, this shocks me. So people should understand everything the left touches it destroys art, music, education, universities, sports, late nights television, child rearing, everything the left touches it destroys. and the next, its biggest challenge has been to destroy America. But they admit it. They say we want to fundamentally transform the United States of America.

This is now, Biden has said this over and over. They all now say it in the Democratic Party, you fundamentally transform is the same as destroy. That's what fundamentally transform means. well now vote accordingly we've had we've had some of these antifa BLM gangs uh chanting death to america which is a little bit on the nose i would tell them just to pull it back slightly death to america it's it's a little too much but they're not they're not smart enough to be nuanced they can't spell nuance so the fact is we're dealing with something we have never seen before

an open hatred of just about everything that's good. It's really bizarre. My hope is that most Americans are taking notes and will vote. We'll go to the polls in November. Eric, one of the things that has actually struck me was this I also did not expect. I was certain because of my study of totalitarianism. I was certain that the media could only brainwash a population in an unfree country. And I was wrong.

We are now witnessing the brainwashing of a country in a free country, which gives you an idea of how powerful media influence is. Well, I guess it depends what we mean by free, right? In other words, you and I both know that freedom is something that if I don't govern myself, I can choose wittingly or unwittingly not to be free. I can be governed from without if I don't do certain things. And I feel that, I mean, that's my big thing is to say that if you want to be free, you have to do some things. If you want not to be free, you don't have to do much.

You just have to do what people tell you. But it takes something to be free. And I think that over the last 50 or so years, we have been slowly acclimatized to being less. and less free. That's the only way we've gotten to the point where we could be ignorant enough to accept some of the things we're seeing. Yeah, I know that. Look, another thing I've said constantly, freedom is not an instinct. Freedom is a value. That's the reason we have a liberty bell. We don't have a breathing bell. Breathing comes naturally. Liberty is a value, and people rather be taken

care of than be free. Well, yes, bad people. No, people and nice people. People who lack courage. Well, okay, we're going to go to a break and we'll come back. And Dennis and I will continue talking about Trump 2024. You can find it at SalemNow.com. SalemNow.com, a bunch of movies.

If you use my code, Eric, you get a discount. I hope you'll check it out. Hey, folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Dennis Prager. We're both in a film. called Trump 2024. It's a remake of the Smoky and the Bandit films.

I, you play the, the role. Who's the big guy? The big guy, I play the Paul Williams part, and you play the big guy, Pat,

you know who he is. The big guy, King Kong. No, he was just one of the great comedy writers of all time. He worked for Johnny Carson, all kinds of people. And you play him, and I play him,

and I play the, the Paul Williams part. And anyway, it's a fun movie. Trump, 2024. It's a kooky thing. We race to see who can be president. And the election is in November. I hope you'll tune in, folks.

It's so you can go to SalemNow.com. Actually, I'm reading it wrong. It's a documentary. Dennis, we appear in a documentary. We play ourselves. If somebody says to you, hey, I don't know what to think anymore. why should I vote for Trump? What do you say to that person? Well, there's really one issue on the ballot. It's not Trump, it's not Biden. It's left or America.

That's it. If you deny that, it's because you don't want to face the reality that the left, not liberals, liberals have loved America. If the Democratic Party were composed of liberals, we would not say this is the most. important election in American history or since the Civil War. But it's not. It's composed of leftists and leftists want to destroy what we have. They think that America is fundamentally evil. I believe America is not only fundamentally good, but we created the most decent society in human history in the United States of America and they are wrecking it because they can't recognize good if it hit them in the face. To call America systemically racist, who has not been systemically racist. Why aren't there demonstrations in Brazil? Brazil got 12 million African slaves.

America got 340,000. The United States got 3 million immigrants from Africa in the last 20 years. Excuse me, 2 million from Africa, 1 million blacks from the Caribbean. Why did they come here if it's systemically racist? Would a Jew move to Iran? Iran is systemically anti-Semitic. Already Jews leaving France and going to Iran, the Jews of France are leaving France, or they're going to Israel and the United States and Canada. Why don't they go to Iran? Because it is systemically bigoted. America loves black people. Nigerians earn more money than the whites who were told have privileges. What happened to white privilege vis-a-vis Nigerians? Actually, if you're a black who comes to America and your family is intact, you have privilege. It's the privilege of a family

and an American. The best two privileges you could have. Have you ever thought of being a radio talk show host? Because just now, as you rattle off those facts, I thought, I wish I had a job to offer you. You're very good. Thank you. Thank you. Consider me if there's an opening. I will, because I'm about to jump out the window. You can have my job, sir. No, actually, you've got a much better job than I. You've been doing this for so long. You've got zillions of listeners. How many stations are you on at this point, Dennis, really? You're just all over the world.

Yeah, you know, well, between Prager You and the radio show, I do feel it's all over the world. I'm very touched. It is all over the world. But you know what? It's a race against time. Yeah. We have a billion views at Prager View.

I have millions of listeners. And still, we're talking about the very real possibility that America, as America, will be destroyed. So I'm torn. I understand. Well, listen, the God of Scripture commands us to be hopeful to do the right thing. You know that. You know what?

The God of Scripture said one thing to humans more than any other. Do not be afraid. Amen. We're going to have to leave it there. My friend, Dennis, thank you so much. I just want to say, folks, please check out SalemNow.com. Everything there. You can get a discount if you use my name,

Eric, but we're talking specifically about this documentary, Trump 2024. Please check it out. And again, Dennis, thank you. My friend.