The Eric Metaxas Show - Irving Roth - Part 2 (Encore)

Episode Date: January 19, 2021

Irving Roth continues his story and his involvement with the new film, "Never Forget," with memories of his brother who helped him survive not only the concentration camp, but death marches. (Encore Presentation)

I want to continue my conversation with Irving Roth. He experienced the Holocaust. He experienced Auschwitz. We're talking about it right now. There's a film out called Never Again in which he's featured. It's mind-boggling to me, Irving, to talk to you about this. You seem like a very youthful 91, and you're talking about things that most of us cannot even dream about. You remember them vividly, it seems to me.

you describe at age 14 and a half being sent off to hard labor from Auschwitz. Did you know that your grandparents and your aunts and uncles and others in your family who had been separated from you that they had been murdered? Did you know that? Yes, because there were people there who were involved in the murder, both the cleanup process, which was done by prisoners. mostly Jewish young prisoners whose job it was well

go into the gas chamber take the bodies put them on an elevator, take them on an elevator, take them one flight up and burn the bodies. It was called Special Command or Zonder Commando, whose job it was that. And of course every three months they would change those people because they didn't

want anybody to know, I suppose. And so they too were in danger. So we knew. There's no question about it. How did you make sense of this at the time? because it's so evil that I just cannot imagine knowing that this is going on. Was it something that the whole thing happened slowly and you became more and more used to this evil around you?

It was really evil, as you say, but it was an evil genius in a way. If you want to get rid of huge number of people, you're talking the total Jewish population of Europe, There was many millions of people, and six million of them were actually murdered. I mean, you're talking about a lot of people. And for this, you need mechanisms to do it. And who was involved in this? Well, the guards, of course. Ordinary people.

Somebody had to design and build all this. This was done by engineers, technicians, builders, architects. scientists. Ordinary people were involved in this process because they were brainwashed that the Jews are vermin. And the only way to get rid of vermin is to get rid of them. And that is by burning them. Nothing will be left of the Jews of Europe except ashes. Well, you're still talking. So somehow they didn't succeed. But I have to say it's amazing. It's just amazing to talk to you about this. because you hear about it and you read about it, but to talk to somebody who was actually there,

who was in the box car, I mean, even when I hear stories about being in a box car for three days, where do you go to the bathroom? Where do you go? I mean, even that is it. You have a bucket where everybody goes, men, women, and children.

That's what you have. And of course, the box car itself is full. You can't have all the people sitting on the floor because there's just not enough room. take a boxguard which normally contained any plate between 80 to 100 people. So part of the group had to stand. And every so often they would open up the box card a little bit to dump the refuse and maybe even get clean water, but then it continued.

And so eventually what happens is the Russian army is coming closer to Auschwitz by the middle of January of 1945, they're about 50 miles away. And of the 1.2 million people, 90 some up percent Jews, what's left in Auschwitz in 1945, middle of January, is total of 60,000 people.

So the rest of them were now anxious. And in the middle of January, one morning, we get up and, you know, I suppose you're going to go to work. but you're not going to work. We're marched under guard away from Auschwitz, further into Germany,

and something which is referred to usually as a death march. What it meant is, you march, or you shut? You slow down, you're dead. So I'm trying to keep marching.

My brother is beside me. We talk. He keeps encouraging me. And after about three days of this, we packed into open cars. like cold cars, in the middle of the winter in Poland, which is kind of cold. And the train begins to move. Hours go by, we suddenly arrive in a field almost.

We're told to get out. And there are guards, and we march with them to a new place called Bukhmalt, which is a concentration camp. And that was built in 1937 for 5,000 prisoners. that time I arrived there, between 55,000 and 60,000 people are there. What month is this now? This is January, end of January.

Of 1945. Now, we get there, and of course, because there are so many people, and the facilities are not really built for it, nor is the food. And so in Bukhomal, if you got a boiled potato every second day, on rare occasions

you would get a bowl of soup that was a great day when you don't eat people die but I'm trying to hang on one day my brother is taken away gone never saw him again

and I'm there now I'm 15 years old 15 and a half years old trying to survive because we know the war is coming to an end we know this and the question is are they going to blow us up? Are they going to murder us or are they going to let us live?

And at the beginning of April, the American army is approaching. So they start death marches again. And I know what the death marches and I know I'm not going to make it because I'm down to probably about 80 pounds or so. Skellivan, shuffling along. So I keep hiding. On the 10th of April of 1945, I was hiding and was found by a guard who came along with a dog and found a number of us hiding under a building in a crawl space.

Marches us out. You're standing in front of the gate. The guards begin together, pretty to march us out on a death march again. Miraculously, while this is going on, the city of Weimar, which is about three, four, five miles away, is being bombed by American airplanes. Obviously, the guards don't want to get killed. So they wait on that day.

The area lasted all day long, and I survived another day. By next day, by noon, every single guard, whether he's outside of the camp in these towers or inside the camp, disappeared. It didn't matter either German or Hungarian or Ukrainian or Lithuanian, they disappeared.

And 3 o'clock in the afternoon, on April 11th of 1945, two American soldiers walked into my barracks. Liberation. Nobody wants to kill me. Not only that. All they want to do is feed me. As much I can absorb.

I ate too much. I picked out. When you don't have food, you haven't had a meal, In months, that's what you do. You pick out. The American Army did wonderful stuff. Now, here I am.

I'm now 15 and a half years old. In my barracks, our 15-year-olds, some 14 and a half, and some 15 and a half. Eli Wiesel was one of him in my barracks. So they got to do something. So what they did is took us all out of the camp immediately, within a matter of days, put us up into the billets where the Nazi guns. I used to live. So now we get fed three meals a day.

You're living in a lovely place. Each room has four beds in it with mattresses and pillowcases. You knew you had made it by this time. Yeah. We're going to go to a break. We'll keep you for one more segment. It's a privilege to speak with you, Irving Roth. Folks, we'll be right back.

It's the Eric Mattaxas show. far we wonder love sweet voices calling yonder shine it over glimmer glimmer hey there don't get dimmer dimmer like folks welcome back i'm talking to irving roth uh the film is called never again uh it's in theaters october 13th and 15th it'll be on DVD and other places um irving we don't have that much time left but what a story and we're only scratching the surface what a story and we're only scratching the surface what a story So on the 11th of April, the Americans show up and you know you've survived, but your brother did not survive. No, I eventually found that he did not. Your grandparents and your parents did not survive.

My parents survived. How did your parents survive? As I mentioned at the beginning, that they were actually in Budapest. Well, I was in the small village in Hungary. And at one point my father got very ill He was in a hospital He was in a coma for a while And the Jews of Budapest

Were the last Jews to be shipped out Marched out or shot on the street in Budapest At that point My father was in a hospital In a Christian hospital With Christian help The Jews are being shot or deported And they need a place to hide

this Christian woman lives in a one-bedroom apartment with her daughter and granddaughter the son-in-law is not at home he is in the Hungarian Nazi army she agrees to take him in they hide in her apartment police come and look for them they don't find them

this goes on week after week a month goes by another month goes by one night there's a knock on the door and who comes in the son-in-law who is in the Hungarian Nazi army comes home for three days the wife explains to the husband about these two very distant relatives who are hiding here and you mustn't tell anybody because anybody finds out

they'll tell the police because you get rewarded for that if you find a Jew they capture him you get reward maybe five pounds of sugar or 10 pounds of flour. This Hungarian Nazi soldier never betrayed my parents. They survived. So when I came back, because I said to myself, I got to do something, what am I going to do? I'm 15 and a half years old.

I'm in the middle of Germany. I got to do something. So I decided to go back and see if anybody is alive. and I found my parents. They survived because someone was willing to help. And that is part of the critical story. There were half a billion people living in that part of the world. There are 23,000 or 25,000

that have been honored in Jerusalem and Yad Vashem. Because they stuck their neck out. Because someone came to them and said, I need a place to hide, and they took a chance. They're the righteous of the world. I want to ask you, when did you and your family come to America? What happened is in 1939, when things began to really go bad, we actually applied to come to the United States.

But of course, there was a quota system which was in force, and there was a waiting list of about five years or so, particularly for Jews. And so when the war was over, we back to Prague, which is now Czechoslovak again, and went to the American embassy and says, hey, we applied, where are we on the list? And so on February 11, 1947, I arrived in New York. Did you arrive with your parents or was just you?

With my parents. And what did you do? Well, I have not been to school for many years. So my parents decided that they will be going to work, doing fundamentally meaning of labor, not what they were used to, of course. and I went to school. I went to school for three semesters at high school, and after which I worked for a bit of time,

and then the next thing that happens to me is that North Koreans attacked the South Koreans in 1950. So here I am. I'm 21 years old. My draft board decides that I had to be in the army, and eventually wind up in the U.S. Army, me for two years and served at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and get through that. Then back to school, got a bachelor's and master's in engineering. And the rest of the time, I worked as an engineer

for one of the major military companies in America. It's such a story. It's mind-boggling. You've never written your story? Yes, I have. You have? Yes, I have a book which sort of describes this whole process that I talked about. When were you going to tell me this, Irving? We're at the end. Come on. What's the name? What's the title of this book?

The title of this book is Bondi's brother. What is it? Bondi. How do you spell that? B-O-M-D-I-A-A-A-A-Rother. And the reason it's named that is because it's in memory of my brother. And it tells the whole story from my beginning to end. in some detail.

So the story, if people want to hear your story in detail, they can get this book, Bondi's brother, B-O-N-D-I-S, B-O-N-D-I-S, Bondi's Brother by Irving Roth. And I am assuming they can find that if they, and they should see the film never again also. But I have to ask you, Irving, how do you make sense of this, that God would allow this kind of evil to befall his chosen people. Have you you have anything that you want to say about that? Each one of us has our own relationship with each other and with God. God did not design the death camps.

Man did. And I go back to Deuteronomy. But God speaks to the Jewish people and says, I give you good and I give you evil. I give you life and I give you death Choose life Choose good We have the opportunity

And the responsibility For what we do What decisions we make This one made by evil people Who are very sophisticated In many ways Who knew more about propaganda than I think anybody else in the world at the time

Who were evil Who wanted the destruction of another people because it makes them bigger, more powerful, that ego gets built up. I'm in charge of you. That's one of the aspects of humanity that we want to be in control not only of ourselves, but other people too.

Now, they did not invent this whole thing. The hatred of the Jew has been around for 2,500 years. The sad part is that today many decades later there are still people who want to destroy the Jewish people there's a whole country called Iran

whose singular objective is the destruction of all the 7 million Jews living in Israel the reason I am very happy about the film and what I do and I need to tell people how this could take place in a perfectly reasonable society

how decent human beings who go to church and go to believing God and the Bible can be transformed to murderers and not only do that but consider it to be patriotic that's why we have to understand and we must prevent it

and that's why never again we need to watch what people say and what people do there's a lot here to to process we're almost out of time. I assume you have a family, kids. Yes.

My wife passed away a number of years ago. I have two sons. I have four grandchildren and six great grandchildren. It's all living in the New York area. All living in the New York area. It's a beautiful thing to hear your story, Irving, and to see your joy, the suffering and the horror that you have been through, I'm touched by that. I'm very, I'm touched by that. I'm

familiar with this period of history. I've written about it. And it means a lot to me that you're willing to tell you a story on this program and to tell it in the film never again. And to tell it in this book, Bondi's brother, B-O-N-D-I-A-P-S, Bondi's brother. I hope some people will get a copy of that. I'm sorry we're out of time, but this has been a great joy for me today, Irving. Thank you for taking your precious time. God bless you, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. It was a pleasure. Have a good day. Are you concerned about memory loss for yourself or a loved one? Susan Gibson's mother had dementia. Susan prayed God would show her the solution to memory loss, and after many divine encounters combining faith and her background as a

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whose first name is Eric. You, you're so, I mean, that's humiliating for me that even though your name is Eric, you're still not willing to use the code Eric. I mean, if you don't want to use it because it's my name, use it because it's your name. But the point is that I see who you are, and I just feel humiliated by this. Please go to go to mypillar.com. It's okay, Mike. It's going to be okay.

Go to mypillar.com. Use the code Eric. You're going to get whopping savings and really high quality. products. Did I, did I mention that? Thank you. Hey there, folks. Welcome back. I'm Eric Mettaxas. This is the Eric Mattaxas show. We're kind of in a, in a bare studio here. The Chinese Communist Party has confiscated all of my books and things. So it looks a little, it looks a little bear. But Albin and I, we're going to try to have a conversation nonetheless.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they haven't confiscated my stuff yet. Uh-oh, knock at the door. I wonder if they're, oh. We joke. Yeah. Let me start out by saying a few things. First of all, I want you, Albin, to read Oswald Chambers. Many people read the devotional every day. Oswald Chambers is called My Upmost for His Highest.

It is spectacular. He wrote most of this about 100 years ago. His widow, Biddy Chambers, we've had her biography. on this program. She put this together into a devotional. And this is some of the most spectacular writing. It's deep spiritual writing, very, very powerful stuff. And if you're looking for a devotional, that's really deep, my utmost for his highest, it's about the best. But you said that you read something this morning. I also want to talk about some of the things that have been happening to me, some friends of the family, some old friends emailing me

that they can no longer be my friend. Really amazing. amazing stuff. Sad, very sad. But I want to talk about that. And I want to ask people to pray for me because this is, this is tough stuff. Let's, let's be honest. This is, it's okay that it's tough stuff. We walk with God to the best of our ability.

But I want to talk about that. But, but Alvin, why don't you read this morning, this being Tuesday, you read my utmost for his highest and Oswald Chambers has some things to say, which you thought pertain to where we are today. So go ahead. Yes, yes. And you might be watching this on Wednesday, too, because we're kind of repeating this episode. It's under the title of vision and darkness. Okay, this is the day before, right? Things change here in America. And here's the quote from Genesis 1512, referring to Abraham. A horror of great darkness fell upon him, Abraham. This is when he was out in the wilderness and God was going to tell him what was going to happen over the next many years. Okay, here we go. Whenever God gives a vision to a saint, he puts here. him, as it were, in the shadow of his hand, and the saint's duty is to be still and listen. There is a darkness which comes from excess of light, and then is a time to listen.

Genesis 16 is an illustration of listening to good advice when it is dark instead of waiting for God to send the light. When God gives a vision and darkness follows, wait. God will make you in accordance with the vision he has given if you will wait his time. Never try and help God fulfill his word. Abraham went through 13 years of silence, but in those years, all self-sufficiency was destroyed. There was no possibility left of him relying on common sense ways. Those years of silence were a time of discipline, not of displeasure. never pump up joy and confidence, but stay upon God. And this is from Isaiah. There's also, if you read all of Isaiah 1, this all applies as well. Have I any confidence in the flesh, or have I got beyond all confidence in myself and in men and women of God? Have I gotten beyond my confidence in books and prayers and ecstasies? And is my confidence placed now in God himself, not in His

blessings. I am the almighty, I am the almighty God, Al-Shadai, the father-mother God. The one thing for which we are all being disciplined is to know that God is real. As soon as God becomes real, other people become shadows. Nothing, nothing that other saints do or say can ever perturb the one who is built on God. That's it. Wow. He doesn't fool around, does he? No, he wrote this in what, the 40s or something, and here it is. No, no, no. He wrote that in the teens, all this stuff, in the teams of the last century, yeah. Well, so 100 years ago.

Yeah, a few things then to talk about. First of all, we are living in such troubling times. You don't know who to listen to exactly, whatever. That's why those of us who have faith, we were redoubling our efforts in hearing from God because it's it's tough. I mean, there are really wonderful people of tremendous faith who are speaking, but we don't know. Are they speaking exactly what God is saying or not? There's really no way to know. And so it's a challenge.

It's a challenge. There have been many wonderful prophetic voices out there. Now, there are many people listen to this program that, aren't aware of this kind of stuff. And so it gets complicated, even in the, in the realm of serious Christians, many of whom listen to this program, to understand, like, do I listen to prophetic voices? I mean, there are folks out there like Dutch sheets and others who I think are wonderful people. There's a guy named Mike Thompson out of Las Vegas, pastor, prophetic guy.

It's really the sweetest people. Just dear souls. I take what they say seriously. But I don't expect everyone to, and I want to make that clear. I think part of what has happened during this time, and it really does remind me of Bonhoeffer, because in writing that book, I watched what happened to him during those tough times. And you realize he went further and further out on a limb because he didn't see any other path. And so he kept saying, you know, I have to follow God.

And you're never sure. You're doing your best to follow God. maybe you're getting it wrong. And he was aware he might be getting it wrong. And he said, and if I'm getting it wrong, I cast myself on the mercy of God. All I can do is my best. We're going to go to a break. When we come back, Albin and I are going to talk about what is happening right now in America, in our lives, and don't go away. Oh, hello, it's the Arkman-Taxa show. Hey, folks, we're living through some crazy times. I just want to be clear that I have to put my trust in the God of the Bible.

Not everybody listens to the program, shares my faith. But I want to say that that's where I'm coming from. I do my best. It doesn't mean I get it right. I think I have to be clear that I don't, you know, sometimes I kind of get cocky and joking. And I think I'm really just trying to process things as best I can. I do ask you, and I don't know if I've ever done this before, I ask you to pray for me because these are very difficult times.

We're living in a cancel culture. That's one of the things that I keep saying, how I get tipped off that the other side, which is to say the Democrats, principally, and the mainstream media, are not on the up and up, are not working for good, because if they were, they wouldn't be participating in this wicked cancel culture. The cancel culture, if you know history, it really is like what happened in Germany in the 30s, didn't say the right thing.

If you didn't say Heil Hitler loudly enough, people looked at you, you could lose your, job. My grandfather lived through this. My grandfather, who was killed in World War II at age 31, he lived through this. He was not on board with the Nazis. I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a father of two girls, the husband of my grandmother, who was wonderful, to be working in a factory knowing that any day you might have to go to the front line. He was protected from that, as I talk about in my upcoming book, Fish Out of Water. And he would listen to the BBC.

Think of this. This was illegal in Germany, in Nazi Germany. He would listen to the radio with his ear literally pressed against the speaker because if anyone heard the BBC being broadcast, he could be sent to a concentration camp. So he lived through that. Then he went to war and was killed. My mother remembers this vividly. So I think about that.

What it's like to live during times of this chilling censorship, we call it today cancel culture. It's the antithesis of American-style liberty. It's the absolute antithesis. It's wicked. But right now it's happening like crazy. We have the other side, which is to say the Democratic,

in the mainstream media and some in the Republican Party as well, saying if you do not tow the party line, as I said before, we will make you pay where we will come after your sponsors. Mike Lindell is going to be losing millions of dollars, which he gives away to Christian organizations of pregnancy centers. I mean, he's going to be losing that because coals, you know, the store, Coals, Bed Bath and Beyond, you know that store? They have chosen to cancel him,

to take his pillows and products out of their stores because he has dared to do his best to talk about what is happening in this election. Folks, I got to tell you, if you ever shop at Coals or at Bedbath and Beyond, you got to think about this.

What are you willing to give up? Do you have to drive a few miles out of the way? I'm telling you straight up, that if we don't use the power of the purse, which is maybe the last power that we have in a country that's trying to cancel us, how do we communicate where we are? So that is the least, the very, very least any of us can do. But this stuff is chilling.

I have to tell you, it's absolutely chilling that they would do that to somebody who I think it's obvious is doing his best to do what is right. I mean, the idea that he is wicked and needs to be, it's just absurd. I mean, I won't go into that. But I want to say that how you spend your money, that may be one of the last ways that you can register your vote, so to speak, since our vote in the last election doesn't seem to have counted. Maybe I'm getting that wrong.

Wouldn't I love it if I were getting that wrong? I'll tell you, that's the other thing we've talked about. If the Democrats were on the up and up, if they really cared about uniting the country, if they really cared about what is fair and true and just, it seems to me they would have gone out of their way to show that there was no fraud, that there was no foreign interference, that the Dominion machines were not tampered with, and on and on and on, why didn't they do that? The reason they didn't

do that, this is my conclusion, is because they didn't want to look into it because they knew that there was something wrong. If they wanted to unite the country behind Joe Biden as our leader, it seems that they would have made an effort to do that. Then on top of that, it seems to me the last thing they would do would be to demonize their opponents. You reach out to your enemies after you've won. That is what Lincoln did after the Civil War. He did not crush the South.

He tried to show them mercy to say, we are all Americans, let's get together. The fact that the Democrats have not done that and they participated in this vicious, nasty cancel culture, trying to demonize those who voted for Trump, 80 million Americans or 75 million, if you believe that number. That does not indicate to me that they're good guys. You see the problem? You see the problem. So anyway, so I hope that you will go to my pillow.com, my store.com, use our code, Eric, and shop there.

never ever shop at Coles or Bedbeth and Beyond again because this is truly despicable folks. I'm telling you, if you're not willing to do this, you know, I maybe we deserve what's happening to us. I also want to say, Albin, that we talked about SalemNow.com. I want to mention that the Holocaust film Never Again. We had Irving Roth on previously who lived through the Holocaust. That film never again. And all kinds of other films, for example, no safe spaces with Dennis Prager. These are wonderful films. You can use the code Eric,

but go to SalemNow.com. I finally want to say, and we'll have one final segment, but I have an old friend, George Duncan. We were friends in high school. When I was 16, we met. We've been friends for all these years. We're not on the same page politically.

But the news out there is so insane that he read that I assaulted someone, right? I think I flailed at some. someone in self-defense. But now the media says, I assaulted someone this summer. And it's out there. People read it. They believe it. And they read that I'm spreading lies or incendiary untruths or whatever. And so they say, well, I can't really be your friend anymore. This has happened with a few people. My dad's friend, another friend named George, called him yesterday, heard N.P.E. PR do a report on these crazy Trump people who are violent.

Now, this is totally, totally nonsensical. But he called up my 93-year-old dad yesterday to say, hey, please tell Eric to get on the radio and to tell people not to be violent. As if I would ever, ever, ever tell people to be violent. It's sickening. We'll be right back. Folks, welcome back. A couple of seconds left in the program.

I was just saying, Albin, that it's so heartbreaking that dear friends, friends, people that we love, that I love, I love my friend George. I love my friend Chris Noel in Vermont. I love all the people that seem to have come to conclusion that I would advocate for violence or something. You just think, wow, what times we're living in? Anybody ought to know that I wouldn't do that. When on this program, when the president came on this program and I said, we need to fight to the last drop of blood, I was speaking emotionally. I was speaking metaphorically. Well, yeah, you hope you don't. I'm speaking metaphorically, I was talking about my blood.

I was talking, I'm not talking about going out there with guns. But I mean, anybody who's listened to me ought to know that. If you read the Bonhofer book, you understand that he was the last one to advocate becoming involved in a plot to kill Hitler. And that is so far beyond where we are today. But people don't, they don't do nuance. They do incendiary verbiage. They just throw it out there and stuff.

Yeah. Or they do projection, unfortunately. Well, or they do projection. I guess, but the point is that the fact that I would have to say that I'm against violence or whatever, this is where we are. Like the loons, the QAnon loons that were in the U.S. Capitol, they were obviously, like, loony. I mean, I don't know what to say. But the thought that I would be with those folks, with the dude with the horns and the stuff, I don't know. These people seem mentally unhinged.

Most of the people at the Capitol, of course, were peaceful. We know that there were Antifa, BLM agitators. And we know that. Don't tell me we don't know that. We absolutely know that. I have seen tons of videos on this. So it's a big mess. But people are trying to demonize pro-Trump voters as being the worst pro-violent extremist elements.

that's what tells me something's wrong on that side because you don't do that. You do not do that. Anybody who would think that that's what I mean when I said, we'll fight to the last drop of blood. I mean, I have to tell you, we obviously have to be more careful because people are just grabbing what you say, running with it. It appears on NPR. And then people like, well, that's that. I've heard it. Well, you know, we didn't hear the phrase mostly piece.

protest for what happened at the Capitol when there were hundreds of thousands of very peaceful people. It's so crazy. But I just want to say that I understand, and listen, I forgive my friends who read these things and believe them because I know if the shoe were on the other foot, it takes a lot to expect people to read between the lines or to know that's flat out wrong because we've grown up in a world where the media basically tried to get it right. So to suddenly pivot or expect people to pivot and to know that this is just, it's part of a narrative, they're being sloppy. Maybe they're not even doing it intentionally, but they are just so lathered, you know, that they cannot stop themselves from reporting this way and from demonizing people like me or whoever anybody supported Trump. It's madness, folks. There are 80 million people that voted for this president, many of whom are devout Christians. and the last thing they would ever do is be violent. These are family people.

These are, you know, but even the fact that I have to bring this up is horrifying because that that's where we are right now. So I just want to say that we're living through tough times. It's been really tough for me to have friends misunderstand. I don't have time to correct things with my friends. And, you know, it's just, it's a kind of craziness. And I think that we have to show grace. We, at least, ought to show grace to those on the other side.

but I think we should also demand from them that they use the power, the political power they seem to have now wisely. They don't seem to be doing that, which is why I'm still of the opinion that the power is not legitimate. You wield it differently if it's legitimate. I'm afraid we're out of time. Let me remind you that Coles and Bedbeth and Beyond and some other stores have canceled Mike Lindell. He's going to lose millions. I hope you won't shop in those short stores ever. And I also hope that you'll go to mypillar.com, mystore.com, and buy directly from him.

If you want to use our code, it is Eric. We'd appreciate that. We're out of time. We'll talk to you soon.