The Eric Metaxas Show - Ivan Raiklin
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Hey there, folks. Welcome to Thursday, January 9th. All right, this is a big deal. This is a big deal. Chris, you and I are currently in Nashville, Tennessee. We're not going to lie, folks. We're in Nashville. Why are we in Nashville?
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but it's going to be exciting. We get to see that because we're part of the TBN family.
And so that's why we're in Nashville. It's kind of exciting. And we'll be sharing details
next week. Now, on today's program, I want to say in both hours today, this is very special.
I've been talking it up this week. I'm interviewing Ivan Rayclan. You probably
we don't know who he is, but you will, and you'll never forget it once you listen to him.
He calls himself the Secretary of Retribution because he, we talk about this in the conversation.
It's not really about retribution, it's about justice, but it's about going after the people who have done evil things in government over the last four plus years.
and making them be held to account for that.
And so he is, he's involved in that.
He's like a one-de-wrecking, wrecking ball.
I mean, that's the thing.
He's like a constitutional attorney,
and he's a former Green Beret, I believe, right?
Yeah.
Oh, no, he's, he's a former Green Beret.
He's a constitutional lawyer, genius.
He's the guy, this will come up in the conversation,
who came up with the idea,
that constitutionally, the vice president, who was Mike Pence, could send the electors back to the states and say, there's some problems here. You need to go back and settle this. Of course, Mike Pence didn't do that to his historic shame. So, but, but Ivan Rakeland was the one that came up with that idea and said, hey, this is this needs to happen. And so he is a genius, but he's also kind of a force of nature.
and you'll see in my conversation with them.
Again, that's in just a few minutes that we're going to be sharing that.
I also want to talk about our friends at the Herzog Foundation
before we get too far along here.
The problem I keep saying in the country is that Christians,
I mean, in my book letter to the American Church,
and by the way, if you haven't read a letter to the American Church,
out and paperback soon, but the hardcover is very inexpensive. It's like 50% off on Amazon
and whatever. But in Letter to the American Church, I'm making the case to Christian leaders
that we need to get involved politically. Like it's preposterous to say, no, no, no, we don't
do politics. That's just insane. That's like saying the Bible does not inform everything. It informs
everything. And how we behave politically, how we vote, that's informed by a biblical worldview. But a
lot of pastors have a very, very backward idea, a very backward idea, a very demonic idea,
which they think of as very pious, but it's demonic, that they should not be involved in
politics. That's wrong. That's unbiblical. That's not God's will. Similarly,
you have a lot of pastors who believe we shouldn't get involved in anything or we shouldn't
care about anything. We just care about our own faith walk. That's meaningless, folks.
If you care about your faith walk, if you care about honoring God, then it's going to affect
how you behave in every sphere and what you do and how you raise your kids, which brings me to the
subject of education. If you're sending your kids off to get indoctrinated by secular humanist,
Marxists, by, by, you know, pro-trans lunatics in the public school system, that's on you.
I always recommend homeschooling or quality K-12 Christ-centered education. For that, I strongly
recommend you check out our friends at the Herzog Foundation. They're there to help you.
Any education questions you have, Herzog Foundation.com. There's all kinds of resources there.
They have a website called Reed Lion, R-A-D-Lion.com, readlion.com. But, you know, if somebody could say to me,
or if somebody were to ask me, like, Eric, what are you all about? I'm all about us living out
our faith. What Bonhofer calls faith in action. You take your faith and you put it into action
everywhere. So in terms of education, in terms of media, the media we consume, the entertainment that
we consume, how we vote, whether we vote, are we involved in our communities? Everything should
be informed by our faith. And there are a lot of people that don't understand that. And so they're just
kind of drifting along with the secular humanist tide. And it's why we are in the mess we're in. Can I say
That I just did.
Okay, so in a couple of minutes, talking to Ivan Rakeland, I want to say if you're not following
me on Twitter or X, as we now call it, I'm posting a lot of wonderful stuff.
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and I were at Amfest in Phoenix. We taped it. When you see Ivan Rakelin, you get an even better idea.
Yeah, he's a real, you know, these green berets, they're trained to basically go behind enemy lines and wreak havoc.
They're basically human wolverines.
So the idea that the deep state has activated one of our own to come and kick their butts is hilarious.
And I almost feel bad for them because Ivan is going to kick their butts.
Oh, no, he's, you got to see it.
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and you see double vision and it's it's disorienting at first.
That's kind of what it is, but it's very funny.
It's a kick in the head, folks.
So that's tomorrow on this program.
Albin and Tony Seder are coming.
Now, Tony is a retired big shot meteorologist.
So he's going to talk about all kinds of stuff, global warming, and he's, it's, it's fun.
It's fun.
But that's tomorrow.
And tomorrow, we're also going to play the last part of my conversation with
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But then tomorrow we got 30 more minutes.
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Folks, welcome back.
I think I warned you in the introduction that I would be speaking to somebody who's very, very intense, frighteningly intense.
His name is Ivan Rakelin, and he's my guest right now.
Ivan, I don't know where to start with you.
First of all, welcome to the program.
Thanks for having me.
Finally, I love it.
Everything you're doing is fantastic, Eric.
That's very kind.
Because you're bold.
If you have me on your show, that means you're just as bold.
Well, it's a time to be bold, and we need to.
to encourage each other to be bold.
And I was introduced to you.
I was just watching social media at some point,
and I saw you in a viral clip.
I don't even remember who you were talking to.
I like to pronounce it, the National Poison Radio Reporter
from, I think, This American Life, producer or whatnot.
So I was at one of the weaponization committee hearings
that Jim Jordan chairs,
and at the conclusion, she approached me.
And she introduced herself as, oh, I'm with this American
life, but she wouldn't say NPR.
And obviously, you know, I'm fairly well read, and I kind of know the ecosystem of the media
landscape, and when she said, This American Life, I knew exactly it was NPR, but I didn't
exhibit that.
I played dumb.
And I said, oh, interesting.
And I immediately pulled my phone out and started recording.
And that's when you saw the 18 minutes of, I don't know, some people called it a massive
schooling session.
And I was just speaking truth.
I happened to watch it afterwards and thought, wow.
Did that just come out of my mouth?
Now let's go back because my audience doesn't know you.
What is your background?
Yes, so professionally I have spent in the last quarter of a century from 1997 to 2022,
so a couple years ago, as a military special forces officer, intelligence officer,
military diplomat countering ISIS, Taliban, MS-13, Russian aggression across five continents,
picked up five languages along the way.
and I happen to do that in different statuses in the Army or Intel community, Special
ops community, in the National Guard Reserves and the active component.
When I wasn't on active duty, I picked up a law degree in that interim just to kind of, you know,
fill my time up, and focus on constitutional and national security law.
Right.
And so kind of to cap my professional career off, I finished off being selected for Battalion Command
and as I was finishing up being a technology scout in Silicon Valley in the reserves.
But in my full-time capacity, if you will, I was an instructor at the Defense Intelligence Agency's Joint Military Intelligence Training Center.
And the course, it's the longest course that that institution has.
It's a seven-week program where I taught one week.
One week of it was, here's the intelligence community 101 in our entire U.S. national security system.
Wow.
Two weeks of how to become a professional intelligence analyst to my students.
And the students were from all of our partner nations that would send their students civilian and military, from lieutenant or some mid-levels enlisted folks, up to including generals, as well as those officers, intelligence officers, military, and civilian within our U.S. intelligence community from all of the 17 components.
Okay.
or 13, depending on what year it was,
peacekeeping operations by the United Nations.
Now.
EU operations, NATO, U.S.-led combatant command operations.
So they got a sense of the entire gamut of our global footprint
as an institution, whether it's the Department of Defense Intelligence,
Intel Enterprise, or the entire U.S. Intel Community and National Security ecosystem.
What you're trying to say is you're a pretty bright guy.
So I'm not the dumbest guy in the room.
But you, listen, you were.
I probably ain't.
No, no.
On the contrary, you were a Green Beret, and you are now very friendly with and working with an American hero named General Flynn.
Absolutely.
That latter part, yes.
You'd have to ask him if I'm working with him.
Well, I am.
I want to ask you.
I'm on the board of America's future as of June of this year, which is General Flynn is now the chairman of that nonprofit.
Okay, so I just want to ask you, here's a simple question.
What are the five languages you picked up?
That's like insane that you can speak five languages.
So my parents fled the Soviet Union in 1974.
I was born in 76 in New York.
They were political asylum.
Russian at home.
And then I went to college, picked up Spanish.
Where did you go to college?
Actually, the most premier institute.
on the planet.
University of Northern Iowa,
home of the Panthers.
And the reason why I say that
is because it was in Cedar Falls, Iowa.
Okay?
And purple and gold, fantastic colors.
I've been to Cedar Falls.
I've been there.
And I'll say last thing is that
Kurt Warner used to be a quarterback
won a Super Bowl
before the players started to kneel
and disrespect the Constitution
and the flag back then.
But he was a Panther.
Okay, so you,
So you speak Russian, you speak English, but why you were doing...
But I didn't finish the question.
Oh, sorry.
Spanish, Russian, French, Arabic, and a little bit of English.
So five of the official United Nations languages.
A little bit of English.
That was good.
That was good.
So you...
What brings us, in other words, when I saw this viral clip of you,
you sum this up because my audience will be unfamiliar with this.
but you understand that we have profound corruption, treasonous corruption in our government.
What led you to want to do something about that and where are you?
Because this is, you know, people like me are hoping that there are some warriors out there, you know,
trying to figure out what's going on and let's do something about it.
What led you into this?
Yeah, so based on that introduction of 25 years in the system, when I say the system, remember, in the reserves, I was a technology scout in Silicon Valley my last few years.
So I understand that ecosystem fairly well, network relationships, but then also the entire national security apparatus.
So when I observe, along with you and the rest of the audience, starting off with, I guess a lot of people were woken up in maybe 2020, they felt that it was an illegal election, right?
It was done unconstitutional.
We can go into detail as much as you want on that.
Yeah.
But for me, the initial point of angst or something doesn't smell right with, you know, my critical eye of based on my experience is that in 2014, this goes back 10 years for me.
Yeah, yeah.
When I was sitting as a senior analyst, one of the senior analysts on the Ukraine crisis team, I was called in because of my languages, et cetera, in the Pentagon, national military command center.
and I observed while I was not only working there, but in my spare time when I wasn't on duty,
I wanted to be knowledgeable of what was going on.
I would observe through the open sources, really, that John Brennan comes in as the CIA director at the time, right?
And essentially paves the way for the failed vice president, Joseph Biden, the point man for Ukraine.
he comes in and chairs essentially the cabinet in in uh kiev and he says i'm going to come up with
unconventional ways in which to promote the economy of ukraine and those unconventional ways
ended up being what getting his son hunter on the board of barisma and i guess the sales
pitch to barisma leadership was my son from his perspective has these keen olfactory senses
that allow him to sniff out
both where the natural gas and oil fields are.
And so maybe his right nostril
could smell out oil fields.
And his left one could
smell out natural gas
in order to promote and create business development.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen,
is a high level of sarcasm alert here.
I want people to be tracking.
So clearly...
His crack baby son,
in order to pay for his hookers and blow,
was put on the board of Marisma
to the tune of $1 million a year
which translates into $83,333.33 a month.
And why?
$83,000 a month because...
Hunter Biden was on two waivers
commissioned into the naval reserves.
He had to get a waiver for drug use
and he had to get a waiver for age.
And who gave him that waiver?
It was nothing but his father,
the failed vice president.
and when he the first reserve drill that Hunter went to,
he had to do a urine test and he failed it.
And so he served for one month and then literally during this time period,
he was picked up to be the board member.
Well, look, just to be, again, just to be disgusting.
This is that's why this goes back 10 years, the pardon.
But I want to be, I want to be clear.
So just in case anybody's not tracking, okay, the point is,
here you have the vice president of the United States.
And again, this is not, you know, Dan Quayle,
This is somebody who has been in the political world up at that point for 40 decades.
So he knows how to work the power.
So he is installing his son.
And the whole point is, hey, Barisma, you will have access to the vice president of the United States and to this whole system here if you put my son on and pay him this money.
So it's completely corrupt.
It's the definition of...
That's why the pardon goes back 10 years.
It goes back to that point.
And I have, as I stepped through the last 10 years, I have had a first or second row seat literally to all the key corrupt ecosystem players that I, I smelled something, but it wasn't quite there yet until later on we'll discuss.
Yeah.
And when we fast forward to 2016 and 2017, when they, so in 2014.
Hang on, well, let's go to a break.
Yeah.
We're going to be right back.
Folks, I'm talking to Ivan Rakelin.
We'll be right back.
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Welcome back talking to Ivan Rakeland.
So, Ivan, this is heavy stuff.
Tremendous corruption.
You had a front seat, as you said, to all of this kind of stuff.
But, I mean, there's levels of wrongness, levels of evil.
It's one thing for some hack political bum to be vacuuming cash up.
That's bad.
That's number one.
Number two, to be kind of trading favors with our enemies with people.
I mean, this gets into kind of like huge corruption, right?
But in a way, that's just the beginning, because that's like way back in, what, 2014, 2015.
So now carrying this forward, you've got this whole evil system that, you know, steals an election from Donald Trump.
And by the way, they didn't steal it from Trump.
They stole it from us, from we, the people, which is one of the most wicked things.
And it goes on and on and on and on.
So you had a front row seat at all this.
At what point do you say I want to do something about this?
Right.
So to finish off to get to that.
2014, literally my billet, if you will, I was at the Defense Intelligence Agency in this 2014 time frame.
For context, the director of the DIA was General Flynn.
Which is itself fascinating, that he was a career Democrat, quote-unquote Democrat.
Appointed twice by Obama the first time as the principal deputy director of national intelligence for partner engagement.
because they thought he would play ball.
They thought he would play ball.
But he didn't because they...
Of course.
When he was testifying before Congress,
sitting next to him was Clapper,
the DNI, Director of National Intelligence,
the CLAA director, Jim...
Comey.
No, I'm sorry, John Brennan.
And then the FBI director, Jim Comey.
And they said, hey, we're going to change your assessment on ISIS.
And he basically was going to say that it's not a JV team.
They're going to...
Okay.
they were trying to pressure him.
And he says, I'm not changing my assessment.
Okay, so let's, again, I have to just annotate and to clarify.
So here you have these corrupt, treasonous hacks.
Clapper, Brennan, Comey, they're utter, they're bums, traitors, they're Benedict
Arnold's, they're worse than Benedict Narnold.
And they're willing to play ball to keep power, to get money, whatever.
And they thought that General Flynn, they can, they can, they can,
get him to go along. He says no.
He says no. So at the moment you say no,
now you're in trouble. He says, no,
I'm going to tell the truth of what
I understand based on the sourcing and
information that I'm getting. The
other ones are no. We have to create
the narrative to fit what the
political narrative is for
Barry Hussein. And so when that
occurred, Barry Hussein contacts the Director
of National Intelligence, Jim Clapper,
who then contacts General Flynn and
says, we are going to resign you.
In other words, go ahead and
resign. And so as an analyst at the defense intelligence agency, somewhat tangentially astute to
what's going on at the national level, much less so than today. But it didn't make sense to me
why that occurred. He's the only one that's speaking truth to power. Why are they resigning him?
And so that didn't sit well with me, but nothing really, I didn't really go into much kind of a counteroffensive
at that point. I sent him a message the following day on LinkedIn and said, I get
what happened, I understand you got a loyal soldier for life.
And that's when our relationship kind of really started.
Up to that point, we, you know, bumped into each other at the headquarters and whatnot,
so he probably wouldn't, he recognized me, but wouldn't know my name at to that point,
but it wasn't until that point that our relationship in 2014 started, and then it continued
to develop when he actually came out in support of Donald Trump in 2015 as the only person
within the D.C. structure to actually.
come out swinging in support of President Trump.
And then what they did in 2016 to 17
when he was forced into resigning again.
That's when strike two happens.
And even then, Trump didn't get it.
He didn't.
That's an amazing thing.
General Flynn was outflanked, actually,
with that maneuver, in my opinion.
Yeah.
Because up until that point, the year prior, in 2014,
he was given the highest award that the FBI can give
by John, excuse me, James,
Comey. And when you're working as the senior intelligence officer for the Joint Special Operations Command,
you have a lot of FBI embeds that you're coordinating with for actioning, actioning foreign terrorists, right?
So he's thinking like, oh, he just, maybe they're asking, you know, Comey and McCabe are asking just to have a meeting with a couple of other guys to coordinate something.
Who knows? It takes the meeting, ends up being a resignation. Now, as I search and research,
Remember, what part of being an instructor of intelligence analysis,
Green Beret, and constitutional lawyer did they miss?
Because I'm squeaky clean.
And when you come after someone that I respect,
the most respected general of our lifetime,
probably going back to General George Washington,
I'm going to start digging because now it's personal.
Because the way, I've said this when we were on tour,
that I see in General Flynn exactly what happened to my father in the Soviet Union.
That's why he fled the Soviet Union.
the political persecution for speaking truth to power delivering the truth whatever the cost he had to flee
and i saw that and just when you look yourself in the mirror and you look at the rest of society i've had the
i've been blessed to be able to be a green have all the maximum highest level training that this
country offers as well as the you know critical thought acumen etc if i don't step up to defend one of my own
no one else will.
So it was a, it's an obligation to call it out.
Right.
Because at the end of the day, cowards are going to cower from these bullies.
I don't have that mentality.
And luckily, there's enough of us that we're able to say, you know what?
You bully me, prepare for the wrath, okay?
And I mean that.
You, F.A., I am going to maximally create consequences for you within my
fear of influence. And if they want to test that, please do that, because you're going to receive
the term that we're going to be using here shortly. And it starts with an arm.
This is, the reason I laugh is because it's so delightful to hear a man of courage and
principle speak the way you do. It's just, it's just wonderful. We'll be right back talking to
Ivan Rakeland. Welcome back talking to Ivan Rakeland. Did your parents call you Yvon?
Yes, they did.
I knew they did.
Actually, Ivan.
Ivan.
Or for short, Vanya.
Vanya.
Vanya.
So give us a phrase in Russian
before we get too far into this here.
Well, I don't want to speak Russian
because your friend, Adam Bullschiff,
may think we are doing Russian collusion.
You know, his delusion.
He is on my list of people
that need a little bit of accountability.
What's the name of that person,
please repeating this name?
Adam Bulls.
Schiff. He is currently your senator from California.
Oh, I don't live in... Comifornia. I don't live in California.
But Adam Schiff, we're going to get to all these guys, folks.
So, you...
What's interesting here is that you understand there are people like
Brennan, Comey, Clapper, that they're willing to play ball.
They're willing to be corrupt. They're willing to sign, you know,
50 of these intelligence officials were willing to sign a piece of paper.
saying that the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
They're willing to lie and do whatever it is to keep power.
And it strikes me that they were banking on the fact that General Flynn was willing to go along with this,
keep his mouth shut, do what you're told, quote unquote, for your country,
even though it's not for your country.
The implication, I mean, the guess would be also that there are folks in your position.
willing to go like that. I don't want any trouble. I'm going to keep my nose clean. I know it's dirty, but I'm not going to...
What was it in you that said, I need to step up? Because you had been part of this system for years,
and you hadn't awakened to the horror, really, until 2014, I guess.
Right. So back to... General Flynn has a proven track record of speaking truth of power. I guess they missed it.
Because in 2010, he wrote the... He published an article that was called The Blueprint, Fixing Intelligence in Afghanistan.
and it was a scathing report of the failures of intelligence in Afghanistan.
Yeah.
Luckily, he wasn't resigned then, and then 14 when he testified,
and then in 17, they had to take him out.
So this progression for me, you know, as a professional, you're focused on the mission.
You know, I deployed, et cetera.
You think that the political decision makers up in D.C.
are sending you to wars because it's a just cause.
And that's how they advertise it, because, you know,
because they own the mainstream media industrial complex.
And where am I getting my information from?
Well, it's maybe a broad array of sources.
It's still within that mainstream ecosystem.
It's not until you get into like a, I guess,
more mid-level and senior positions
that you're seeing all this jockeying, the manipulation,
and that what's being reported is actually not commensurate
with what you are personally observing.
And what I'm personally observing of General Flynn
and others, because guess what?
As a junior and mid-level officer in the ecosystem,
you have other adjacent people that you've grown up in the system
that are working for these people that you can now,
hey, bud, hey, you know, Jane Doe or John Doe,
are you reading this?
Does this make any sense?
So you're kind of like testing the hypothesis
of what's being put out in the MSM,
and it's not commensurate with those that you've trusted and grew up with.
So then you're my critical eye,
start to dig and dig and dig and dig.
And that's when, I would say that
in 2017 when they resigned
General Flynn,
that's when I had to figure out
who was behind that
and why.
And that's when I started to go down the path
of Mike Pence,
his chief of staff,
Joshua Pitcock,
married to Catherine Seaman,
who was Peter Struck's senior
Russian... Are these real names?
Senior Russia analysts.
Are these real names?
that's their exact names
tell me the names again
I know it's like sounds like
you can't make this up
I think you're just being nasty
and it's not this kind of
that kind of a program
okay so
Pence is
I'm actually
these are their actual names
I know
Mike Pence is chief of staff
during the beginning of
President Trump's first term
yes
Joshua Pitcock
okay and the other person
his wife Catherine Seaman
take it easy pal
okay
this is important
no
I know this is
distracting because of the names.
But I need you to listen closely.
I'm just being childish.
His wife was Pete Struck's
senior Russia, Russia, Russia
analyst. No, it's so evil.
It's so awful.
So, now Mike Pence,
you know, years ago I thought of him as a friend
because many
of us were just, you know,
drifting along, just, you know, had no idea
of what we're dealing with here.
there's levels of evil, right? I don't know. I really don't know the details on Mike Pence,
but you started to see that they had put in place, in a sense, people to prevent Trump from enacting the will of the people.
Both senior leaders of the political parties in America saw General Flynn as the only person clean enough
with an understanding of the entire ecosystem to completely expose it
and literally with one flush drain the swamp.
So they had to get rid of them.
They had to remove them.
And they had to fool Donald Trump, which they did.
And they did.
They were successful, and there may be somewhat still elements of that,
trying to continue to fool President Trump.
Because, again, Trump was not the man he is today.
he was not awake to all of this evil.
And like most Americans, he kind of thought,
well, you know, I want to play with both sides
and I want to be unifying for it.
He had no idea what he was dealing with.
And so when they...
And the only one in this ecosystem that did
because his family doesn't know D.C., right?
Yeah.
His business associates, as he built his businesses,
have no touch point in understanding in Washington, D.C.
The only person in that ecosystem was...
And remember, 65% of Republicans in the primary in 2016
voted for somebody else.
not Donald Trump and so when he won the nomination it was the RNC that said hey we'll support you
as long as you take Mike Pence as the vice president right our guy right right mean our guy
meaning Paul Ryan's guy right Mitch McConnell's guy right right right it's um it's a dark story so
But it gets better because we're sitting here now on the other side of this.
It's going to get better.
We're awake to it and we see what's going on.
If people want to know this story, what's the best place?
Is the General Flynn film?
Is that a good place for the people to get?
The fastest shortcut for people that don't know about the deep state is literally, you watch the movie Flynn deliver the truth, whatever the cost.
Actually, you know what?
Flynn delivered the truth.
What's the name of the film?
because I've watched it, but I can't think of it now.
Flynn, deliver the truth, whatever the cost.
All right, we're going to go to a break.
And I think I have.
We'll be right back.
One for you.
Talking to a DVD with actually bonus footage from Tucker Carlson.
No, I've said.
We'll be right back.
We'll be right back.
Talking to Ivan Rakeland.
All right.
So let's just keep going.
Let's keep going.
So, so Trump gets in office.
The deep state, as we know, I didn't even know the term deep state until, you know, they stole the 2020 election.
I didn't believe it either.
I didn't believe it either.
I'm still in the system.
No, I was going to say.
As I started looking at it, absolutely.
Yeah.
I attended every hearing that General Flynn had.
Okay, but let's go back.
So, so in 2016, Trump's elected, 2017, they decide they need to get rid of Flynn.
So they do this.
I mean, we don't need to get into it.
framed basically. They used Jeff Sessions,
I don't think Jeff Sessions is an evil person. I think a lot of people were
fooled and used, you know, and so they used Jeff Sessions. He accuses himself, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Next thing you know, Flynn is out. The morning of the inauguration,
January 20th, 2017, I was invited
to the church service at St. John's across the street from the White House.
Who did I sit next to in the pew, General Flynn? And I was so happy
that this man is going to be serving our country
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And a little while later, suddenly he's out.
But again, nobody really knew what hit him.
Trump had no clue.
I mean, Trump was still flying blind, basically.
It took him, you know, through his whole term, really, to realize that...
I would submit that the reason why he was blind is because
I strongly believe that Mike Pence had an instrumental role
in the removal of General...
Flynn. And one of the reasons
why I say that, I can't recall his name,
but one time, I think I'm going to disclose
this maybe for the first time with this level of
specificity on your show.
A few years back,
during his first term,
one of the attorneys for Mike Pence
at the Trump International Hotel was
speaking with me, and he said,
the most adamant, vocal,
and aggressive that he has ever
seen his boss, Mike Pence,
was when he was advocating
to Donald Trump to
fire General Flynn.
That's awfully interesting.
Why is that?
Well, obviously.
Is that because General Flynn was going to do an audit of the entire intelligence
community to include what's known as presidential findings, all of the authorized
covert actions of the C. Laia, which would then implicate the Bush family, because one
of them was the C. Lyé director.
Brennan, the Clintons, Obama,
all previous presidents would then be under scrutiny for authorized.
So I just want to fast forward a little bit because
so they had to take him out.
We now know that they had to take him out.
They took him out.
And Brendan called it, take the kill shot.
Where did he say that?
Where do he say that?
There's a quote of him sending to the media,
maybe the Washington Compost, I like to call it, or the New Oak Slimes.
I can't roll a call exactly, but I remember that direct quote.
Okay, so...
But the bottom line is they get rid of Flynn and they cripple Trump's presidency.
The four years of his presidency, he was infinitely less effective than he might have been
because he had no idea what was going on around him and why I can't build the wall.
I can't do all the stuff because they're crippling me.
They're crippling me with the Russia collusion nonsense, all this and stuff.
Okay, Texas is 2020.
They steal the election, COVID lunacy, on and on and on.
Okay, so by the grace of God alone, Trump is on the verge of getting back in office.
What happens now?
What do you do?
What does General Flynn do?
Maybe you can't speak to that.
But what do you see as possible to do?
Because you know that the dark forces, they don't want this to happen.
They're not going to be like, oh, yeah, like, you know, we lost.
and now we're going to take our lumps.
They're going to fight, you know,
they're going to want to assassinate
anybody's going to get in the way.
We're going to another break, folks.
In hour two, in a couple of minutes,
we continue the conversation.
