The Eric Metaxas Show - Ivan Raiklin: Tulsi Gabbard Bombshell Report

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Tulsi Gabbard, finds evidence that President Obama and his national security officials "manufactured and politicized intelligence"

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Eric the Texas! Hey, the folks. to Monday, July 21st. The news over the weekend is absolute bombshell. No hyperbole. What Tulsi Gabbard has revealed, this is absolutely as big as it gets. We're going to be talking about that with Ivan Rakeland. He knows everything about this, but it's huge, absolutely huge.

So according to what Tulsi Gabbard put out there and a lot of people that I'm following on X, we seem to have the evidence. And again, this is as historic as it gets, folks. I want you to understand there's no hyperbole here. When people use a lot of hyperbole and it really undermines, it's like the boy who cried wolf. You never really know what to believe because everybody says everything's amazing. every day and it's not that amazing. What we're talking about right now is as historic as it gets, far more important than Watergate, dramatically more important by orders of magnitude more

important. And so it's hard for us to take it in and there's a lot of cynicism will action be taken. So what I'm talking about is, and by the way, in a few moments, we're going to bring on Ivan Rakelin, who can give us chapter and verse on what we're talking about. He knows the details. He's a retired lieutenant colonel, former Green Beret, constitutional attorney served 25 years in the DOD, Intel and Special Operations Communities. Believe me, he's an amazing human being, and he's going to help us understand what we're talking about. But if you're just tuning in and if you've missed the news on this, it appears that Tulsi Gabbard has uncovered and made public evidence of what many of us already knew. But the point is now we have the evidence. And what is it?

We're talking about a coup. We're talking about President Obama choosing to – undermine President Trump so dramatically that he essentially makes the 2016 election null and void by crippling President Trump in his first term. So what this means was that 2016, Trump wins the election. And then Obama with the intel community, Brendan and Clapper and Comey and whoever else, they basically make the decision that we're going to put out this idea. We don't have the evidence that whatever Russia did was a serious undermining the election. But we're going to put it out there that it was, and we're going to go with that. And they went with that for four years or three years or whatever it took.

The whole national conversation being put out by the left, therefore, so they did not do their due diligence. They didn't do their job as journalists. And so we under the cloud of this phony Russia investigation. And it went on and on and on and on. And the whole point of it was to undermine President Trump. And so Eric, do you remember when Bush, G.W. Bush, one and the outgoing Clinton administration removed all of the Ws from the keyboards. Yeah. Do you remember that?

Compare this. this obstructive land, basically landmines, you know, operational landmines that they set, the outgoing administration set landmines to undermine, like that may, you know what I mean? Like, it's crazy how nefarious this is in comparison to, you know, just, it's crazy. It's really insane. Well, I mean, I think there, no, I mean, folks, I'm just telling you, no words can do justice to what we're talking about. We are talking about the attempted coup to take down. And again, this is not about Trump.

This is about you. This is about the will of the American people. This is about the republic. This is about something sacred. Patriots have died over the centuries so that we could be free and self-governing. We would choose our leaders. We the people. We are the government.

Well, there's some people that don't like that. They don't trust we the people to elect our leaders. and if we elect somebody like Donald Trump, they don't like, they're going to do all they can. Well, they did. And President Obama did things that if this is true, folks, then this is treason, sedition. These aren't words we throw around in an impressionistic way. This is as big as it gets. And I just want to say that it is hard to take in.

It should be hard to take in. This is, it's the idea that a president of the United States would commit genuinely high crimes and misdemeanors, not sort of phony. This is, this is gigantic. This is to subvert the will of we the people. And what I said, because when they stole the 2020 election, it's the same thing. It is, if you're not outraged by it, if you don't think it's despicable, you're part of the problem. you if you are so ignorant as an American citizen that you're not aware when these things are being done, you're part of the problem because it can't happen without ignorant people.

If everybody is aware of what is going on and stand strongly against it, it can't happen. But enough people didn't care or were fooled into thinking that it wasn't worth caring about. This is gigantic. We have to get to the bottom of it. If we don't get to the bottom of it, we have no country. And again, that is not hyperbole because people throw those terms around. We have no country unless that this is real. And so we're going to have to see how this plays out.

But Ivan Rakelin, he'll help us figure it out in just a couple of moments. There's so much other news. And you know, Eric, if I could say one thing about that, something that I often say is that the passage of time is truth's best friend. Lies have a horrible shelf life. And the left always makes this mistake. They think if they can, you know, perpetrate. whatever evil they do, as long as they can hold the press back, hold the courts back, let a couple years go by, then as they leak out and the truth comes out, they think it won't

hurt them. It's the exact opposite. We've known from the beginning all of these, quote, conspiracy theories, but always remember that truth loves the passage of time and lies have an awful shelf life. And you are right to use the term sedition and treason. And again, folks, if it's not, praise the Lord. I mean, if we can show that this really didn't happen, I'd be thrilled. But it's not looking good. And I don't know, in some ways, Keith, I would push back a little bit in the sense that we know, you know, in the words of Shakespeare, the truth will out eventually. Yep.

But evil, the Soviet Union, that was seven decades of evil winning. The Nazis control Germany for 12 years. They basically got away with it. In this case, they did get away with it. If Trump had not miraculously been saved by the hand of God from a bullet one year ago, they would have gotten away with it.

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You knew about it. Even I knew about it. But to actually see it come out in a way that seems like now we can get someplace with it, it doesn't get bigger than this. This is, this is as big as it gets. This is, I have to think that President Obama is shuddering wherever he is right now at what lies ahead because he understands that President Trump is not here to play. President Trump, in fact, I'll say this. President Trump yesterday put out an AI video on his truth social account. Even I was bothered by this, actually.

Like I just thought, I don't know why President Trump feels a need to do this. But I think it is to intimidate these evil actors, like President Obama, to say, you think you're above the law, just wait. I, President Trump, am not someone who thinks anyone is above the law. And now you're going to see what it looks like to live under a rule of law. In any event, Ivan, can you sum up for my audience? where you think we are with the news that just came out? Because again, I can't do it justice. No, thanks for having me on, Eric, again. And I would summarize it this way, is that Tulsi Gabbard is a

former Democrat, right? And so it doesn't really matter to her where the issue lands politically, because she's already proven herself in her career in the military as an officer and then also politically. So truth is more important to her, and she's willing to go to the mat. to be able to expose that truth. She's done that. I mean, she was the only one, in my opinion, that voted correctly during the first impeachment, where she voted present,

because the impeachment in and of itself didn't even allege, the impeachment hoax one, didn't even allege a misdemeanor or a crime. So anybody voting yes or no legitimized the impeachment process. She was the only one that I deem to be accurate in that. And then furthermore,

she retired before January 6th. Her fingerprints are nowhere to be seen on January 6th, unlike almost all Republicans and almost all Democrats. When I say fingerprints, I mean you are either in on it or in on the cover-up or kind of ignoring creating justice. So she has a long-standing career, and this is just, it caps up. I mean, it's like the cherry on top this week, her and her entire team put together all the evidence

that the previous Trump 1.0 team started to do, but she was able to finish it off by, well, not finish. but start the process to expose to America and the world that we saw a treasonous conspiracy. Her words, these are the words that I've been using. I'm sure you've been using, and our audiences have been using for me personally, I mean, probably close to a decade, right? But in some instances for only four to five years for some of us. So she said, treasonous conspiracy.

What does that mean? Treason does not have a statute of limitation, folks. So Pam Bondi, the ball is in her court. The U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, who just went through his confirmation kind of hearing, if you will, or conference, I believe on Thursday, that individual is now in a position once confirmed and even before confirmation to go ahead and start working the problem set. What I mean by that is the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia covers Northern Virginia. The Central Intelligence Agency is located in Northern Virginia. The Pentagon is located in Northern Virginia. the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is in Northern Virginia. What I mean by that is Jim Clapper was the DNI, Virginia.

Brennan was at the CIA, Virginia, the Pentagon senior leadership, and that's going to be other issues that come into play. For example, Jim Clapper was a former military officer. Pete Hexeth is in a position to consider, with this evidence that was just presented by Tulsi Gabbard, do I and my Office of Secretary of Defense make the determination to recall onto active duty Jim Clapper to then hold him to account under UCMJ in addition to what the Attorney General can do at the federal level and the Eastern District of Virginia U.S. attorney, because of that jurisdictional hook? So these are some of these considerations. And I'll kind of close with this on this question. since we said Virginia, we currently have an Attorney General by the name of Jason Miaris.

And again, while most of the, I think the criminal referrals at this point in time were only federal criminal referrals sent over to the Department of Justice by the DNI, I urge that there should also be criminal referrals at the state level sent over to Richmond in the former of the Attorney General Jason Miaris in Virginia for particular crimes against the state. Commonwealth of Virginia, because as the evidence is being built, you're going to clearly see that it was not only a coup against the federal government, it was a coup against the entire 50 states, in essence, by defrauding the citizens of the Commonwealth, such as myself, etc, etc. I just want to get the headlines because my audience, myself included, we're not in these weeds yet. And so the headline, just to be clear, when we throw around terms, again, because we live in a culture that has so really muddied our ability to think clearly.

Terms are thrown around. There's a level of sloppiness. I mean, this is the legacy of the 60s and the 70s. You know, rules are out the window and we just speak impressionistically. Nothing's crisp and clear. Law is crisp and clear. And so my question is when we talk about sedition, treason, it seems, to me.

Mutiny. Pardon me? And mutiny. And mutiny. Well, it seems to me, and you're the expert on this, but just to get her heads wrapped around this, it is at least plausible that President Obama would be arrested. Let's just start there so people understand the magnitude of what we're talking about. Are we at a point where that's plausible?

Not about what we wish, but about what we actually think is happening. So that, I would say that that would be a more difficult proposition. And the only reason why I say that, I'm not defending President, the former President Barack Obama for his treasonous conspiracy participation. The reason why I say that is because the Supreme Court last year, if you remember, basically gave the presidency immunity in many instances for official decisions. So I know it only covered, I mean, it was limited in scope, you could argue. And in the instance of this, this bombshell of a president conducting treason, I would argue that it really needs to be tested. And the best way to test whether or not treason occurred, I mean, this basically is comparable

to the 1860s right after the civil war of what occurred, right? And so I would argue that it needs to be tested. And the best way for a outcome to be positive in that manner is to build the case with Jim Comey, John Brennan, Jim Clapper. And then as you build that case, you start to hear from other individuals that we've talked about for a decade now. We start to talk about the deputy directors of the FBI, the Andrew McCabe's of the world. So as we start to build the evidentiary package of testimony, sworn testimony of all these individuals in order to kind of maybe they can cut a deal, you will start to see that maybe, just maybe, we can get five to ten senior federal government officials at the senior most levels of our government during the Obama presidency actually agree and acquiesce that, yes, it was a straight up attempted coup and perpetual attempted coup for the last, I mean, I would say, a decade at this point. And I think politically speaking, I think the entire country will come to the

conclusion that yes, the former president, Obama must be held to account what that looks like. It's unclear. But the Constitution is very clear when someone is convicted of treason that the maximum punishment can be capital punishment. Well, again, this is, I want my audience to understand where we are. And I don't want to be one of these people that throws terms around sloppily. But the attorney general of the United States of America used the term treason, sedition. I mean, that's true. Is it not, Ivan? I haven't heard Pam Bondi use those terms if she has. No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean the attorney general. See, this is why we have to be careful. The director of national intelligence. Yes. The director of national intelligence

as the senior intelligence officer within our U.S. government assesses and provided a criminal referral over to the Attorney General. Now, if the Attorney General had said that, I think that gets into some muddy waters. No, no, no. The Attorney General has not said that. That was my error. But what I meant was Tulsi Gabbard, maybe it's wishful thinking. That's massive. I wish.

I'm saying that is the biggest statement that I've ever heard in my career as an intelligence officer when I served. or, I mean, to this day after serving. And that's why I just brought it up. Ladies and gentlemen, Tulsi Gabbard, former Democrat, now Director of National Intelligence under President Trump, use those terms. That alone, that alone is, you know, man lands on moon kind of a headline. This is very, that alone is gigantic. Without using XPATES, we're talking to Ivins.

It's just, Rakeland, don't go away. Earth's shattering. Go back talking to Ivan, Rayclan. Ivan, where can people find. find you. They got to spell your name. It's Ivan. That's easy. Reklin, R-A-I-K-L-I-N. Wow, you got it right. Of course. You just said that it is earth-shattering. And again, to me, I want to start with the headlines so that people can track what we're talking about. This is not wishful thinking. This is not Obama's a jerk. No, this is, there are laws and we now seem to

have evidence. Now, of course, if any of this, is true, which it is, the deep state will do anything, ladies and gentlemen, anything to derail this. Absolutely anything. On the Sunday shows yesterday they had the congressman from Greenwich, Connecticut, last name Himes, you know, saying this is complete nonsense. This morning I read that Tom Cotton, this Republican, this Republican, this Republican, Senator has done something. The pushback on this is going to be infinite. There's no doubt that they are scared for their lives and that if there's anything, it's kind of like when it says, you know, break the glass in case of emergency, they broke the glass.

This is on. This is a fight to the death. Donald Trump is not playing. What he put out on truth social yesterday, I was astonished, frankly. That was very refreshing. So I was having a discussion with somebody yesterday. I said, and a lot of people are coming after me for being critical of some components of the administration, namely the attorney general, and they say that I'm being so critical of President Trump.

I'll say this. I voted for him three times in the primary, three times in the general election. I mean, this is like family. So if family is doing something maybe slightly astray, I'm going to be critical of it. But once the enemy starts to come after my family, meaning the Wall Street journals, the Rupert Mardox of the world, we lock arms and we're not going to have any of it, okay? So that's one aspect. The other aspect is he is now, I think, in a position to really correct the record for everything.

He talked about, I mean, let's go back to 10 years what has occurred. It was December 8th or 9th of 2016. After that meeting, we then, let me back up. off, it was the Crossfire Hurricane illegal spying operation on the candidacy, right? And that started in July of 2016. They tried to find some Russia, Russia, Russia component to be able to say, hey, look, we were right about Russia, Russia. They couldn't find anything. So then they had a meeting December 8th. And they tried to come up with another path to be able to create the Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia narrative through this false intel community assessment that they were

trying to create. When that failed to work its way, you know, and with the objective that they were trying to create of the Russia, Russia, Russia, to be able to conduct the immediate coup without him even coming into power on January 20th of 2017, this basically, they tried to create another frame by having a meeting on January 5th, because when they started to look at Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, General Flynn, they couldn't find Russia. So then on January 5th, when failed Vice President Biden came up with the idea, hmm, since we can't take out General Flynn under these previous two theories and the presidency, we need to create a Logan Act violation theory because the FBI officers had already

were going to close the case against General Flynn. So then they had a meeting in the White House, and this includes all the seditious co-conspirators. Now, excuse me, just to be clear, when you say January, 5th, 2017, ladies and gentlemen, that's what we're talking about. Correct. And after that, it's been a

cover-up after escalatory cover-up. This is what I've been saying for years. And I think at this point, the country is ready now that we have a DNI that has put forth the actual evidence. I mean, I had an analysis of what occurred, and apparently

I've been fairly accurate in my assessment of what took place. over the last eight to 10 years. Now we have evidence beyond any doubt. And so it begs the question, how do we hold these people accountable? Well, are we going to get that jury pool to listen in in D.C. To be able to hold people to account? Likely not.

That's why I argue that the Eastern District of Virginia is probably the venue of choice because that jurisdictional element on the key individuals will lay out the rest of the story of cover-up after escalatory cover-up, which, you know, it escalated into the Mueller investigation to cover things up. It escalated into an impeachment hoax to cover up for that. It escalated into a Fed-Surrection, if you will, and then the Fed-Surrection cover-up,

and then assassination attempts. So all the same players are going to be implicated in every single escalatory cover-up. So who are the top figures here? In other words, even let's say it's present. Obama, which I guess it is. But you're saying maybe there's an issue of presidential immunity. Okay. So putting him to the side, who are the top figures in this who could go to jail? I would argue based on all of my investigations is that in all of the coverups that I just mentioned, the common thread is John Brennan, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

And so when you look at some of the relationships that have kind of developed and I've looked into, when you look at the 51, for example, spies who lied, we call them, in short, the 51, mostly former Central Intelligence Agency senior leaders that said that the Biden laptop had all the earmarks of a Russian info op, right? Again, Russia, Russia, Russia. And you look down that list of the 51, one of them is very noteworthy that almost no one talks about short of me. And that individual is David Buckley.

David Buckley was John Brennan's inspector general when he was the director of the Central Intelligence Agency. He was also the staff director for the Democrats House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He was later designated by the Democrats as the staff director for the January 6th committee. All right. Hang on, folks. We're talking to Ivan Rakeland. We'll be right back.

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Ivan Rakeland, we're talking about a lot of stuff. You just were talking about one of the deputies mentioned, Buckley, who was under Brennan. Is that right? Correct. What I'm trying to get at here, uh-huh. Good, yeah. What I'm trying to get out here is that there, as the evidence

is going to be exposed to the American public, you're going to see a common thread of the same actors and their networks that were involved in every single friction point at a minimum and criminal activity more than likely over the last 10 years, starting with what was just exposed by Director Gabbard. And what I mean by that is the former inspector general for the Central Intelligence Agency, when Brennan was the director, was David Buckley. He was designated after the, what I call the Fedurrection, what they call the insurrection. Remember Pelosi created the January 6th Select Committee, they called it? Well, the staff director was David Buckley. And what does that mean for people that really don't understand, you know, the nuances of this? That means if you're

the staff director, you get to decide the entire who is staffed, who goes on staff, who to question, which 1,000 individuals you're going to question to create your narrative of an insurrection. Raskin who led that impeachment hoax as the elite impeachment manager. Those three individuals were involved in basically sealing the deal for illegally conducted 11, 2020, and certifying it and then covering it up. So I'm not going to go into one more name that I wanted to mention is Jamie Raskin's wife, Sarah, was a deputy at the Treasury Department. and when you look at the list of 39 individuals that unmasked General Flynn,

her name is there. And so begs the question, why did she unmasked General Flynn? Obviously, it was after that December 8th, about a week later. And then it asked, done the investigation, Eric, I already know that my, like, I've already deemed all these individuals as guilty, okay? But the problem is, is censored so much of our content that a lot of society is still not there yet. What Director Gabber did last week, I would say that 50 plus percent of the nation now is at a point where there needs to be arrests and convictions immediately.

Now, who would you arrest immediately? I mean, two names, three names. We just mentioned them. So if I were to leave it to two names, I would say John Brennan and Jim Comey. If you were to be arrested, look, this is huge. That's why I want to underscore this. John Brennan and Jim Comey, these are the heads of the CIA and the FBI. Imagine the idea that these men would be arrested. That's headline news. It doesn't get bigger than that.

Look, I'm old enough to remember Watergate. Watergate, we saw John Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Chuck Colson, many others arrested and put in prison, folks. And this is not unprecedented. These are the top man around the president of the United States. And I remember this. And they made such a big deal of it. And what they did is nothing, less than nothing,

compared to what we're talking about right now, just for some historical context. Right. Another point of precedent is that I believe it was a former Speaker of the House. Remember? I think it was Hastert. that was also arrested.

Convicted, right? Dennis Haster crime. The House was convicted for molesting children. Most of us have forgotten about this. It's horrifying. That's the number three public official

in the United States of America, which I argue the Speaker of the House is the most powerful person on the planet because they get to decide and dictate how $6 to $7 trillion annually is allocated globally. That was, I mean, Jim Comey and John Brennan are much lesser in our kind of constitutional chain of command.

So do you think that the evidence exists now, that they could be arrested now? Is that what you're suggesting? Because I always wonder, you know, if people are hanging back because they want to get all their ducks in a row before, you know, you want to corner the criminal so that, you know, there's no fence for him to climb over to get away. And you're you're kind of playing that game. What do you think with Tommy and Brennan? I hear that argument all the time.

To me, I view that as just buying time to protect the deep state because the more you let them run amok, the more they can solidify and kind of protect themselves and land softly with their entire network. Because let's face it, it's not black and white. President Trump comes in, he doesn't control the entire government because he gets to, you know, choose the 404 individuals at the White House, right? But beyond that, he gets to appoint some folks, but then everyone else has a say in it.

The Deep State Senate has a say in every single political appointment for cabinet level. And then beyond that, you have a bureaucratic class of the mid and senior level officials that are still loyal to these individuals that we're talking about. You still have probably most of the people at the CIA still loyal to John Brennan. Many people at the FBI are probably still loyal in some way, perform at the senior levels at the FBI. One example at the DOJ. By the name of Jolene. So let's face it, there's two positions that are critical at the DOJ that are basically, I would say, blocking a lot of this accountability. One is the assistant attorney general for HR. She gets to decide

who gets fired, who gets hired, right? And she's still a Biden holdover. Number two, the head of the chief information officer is also. Also, a didn't earn it, zeal it. Forgive me, going to a break. Be right back talking to Ivan Rakeland. Much more ahead. Welcome back, folks. If you haven't yet done so, or we're asking you to go to my website, metaxis talk.com, click on the Help, Texas banner.

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Thank you. Ivan, Reiklin, we're talking about so much here. I want to go back. President Trump posted something on his truth social account yesterday, which it actually upset me a little bit. you said you thought it was refreshing. I didn't know what to make of it, actually. But it was an AI picture of President Obama being arrested in the White House with Trump kind of gleefully looking on.

Sometimes I find this stuff a little childish and beneath the president. But I think people need to understand he is a poker player. He has been put through a level of hell. Most Americans have no idea. This president has gone through hell. And he knows the people who have done this to him are evil, are wicked, hate America. And he hasn't revealed himself.

You know, he goes to, what was it, the Carter funeral? And he's smiling with Obama. And he knows what Obama did to him. So he's the ultimate poker player. And now he says, all right, we got the cards. Everybody's going to put their cards on the table. You're going to jail. you're in trouble.

Do you think that that's why he posted that video? I mean, I don't, I've never communicated with him directly or indirectly. I can't say on his behalf, but I would say that in order to change the mindset and opinion of the nation, you have to put out, like you said before, you can't go in the weeds and nuances. You have to put something up there to get people's attention. And then as you get their attention on a meme, then they start to look into the details of it. So maybe that's kind of a, you know, he's a master marketer, right? Yeah.

So it's essentially, it's that funnel, right? It's you get people's attention and then you start to go into the details. I'm like, what, what? And so the details are what Tulsi Gabbard put out. You want the kind of master's level of what's going on. Then you go ahead and watch the movie, General Flynn's movie, Flynn, deliver the truth, whatever the cost to know kind of who all the players are. If you want the master class, then I have to go and refer.

refer you to General Flynn's book known as a pardon of innocence. Because it lays out the last 10 years of every single person that went after General Flynn are the same individuals that went and are continuing to go after President Trump. And a lot of people ask, well, why was General Flynn? It's because he knows all these people. He worked with him. He grew up with him professionally as an intelligence officer. So when people say he knows where the bodies are buried, I mean, that's an understatement. That's like the biggest understatement. That's like the biggest understatement. that anybody can make. Do you think, I mean, I really believe, and I've said this many times, Americans should pray

because we're in a spiritual battle. This is not just politics, folks. There are evil forces, really evil. I don't say evil, like, really bad. I mean evil, satanic evil, that want to take down this nation, because this nation, in many ways, was created by God for God's purposes in history. not so, you know, we can be awesome, but for God's purposes in history. Liberty is God's idea.

And so we're at a point right now where we have to understand the enormity of what we're dealing with here. We're going to go to another break. We're going to drag Ivan Rakeland into hour or two. There is so much more to cover. There is so much more to cover. We've just begun, folks. This is, it really genuinely does not, does not get bigger than what we're talking about. There's no hyperbole, folks, no hyperbole.

This is huge stuff. So an hour two, we'll continue the conversation. In the meantime, if you haven't gone to the website, metaxis talk.com, the folks in Texas need our help. Desperately, it's an emergency metaxis talk.com. Top of the page.