The Eric Metaxas Show - Jack Posobiec

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Jack Posobiec joins to discuss his new book Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions (and How to Crush Them)

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It's a shocking development. Chris, did you know that? Yeah, I think it's a byproduct of inflation. It's pretty much Biden. It's just not happening. Biden robbed us of the eclipse. Go to Bidenomics.com and check it out. Bidenomics.com, check it out.

Folks, look it up, okay? No, the eclipse today, April 8th is the day of the eclipse, but they were going to move it back because of some programming issues, but it turns out they couldn't. That the moon and the sun and the earth, there's nothing we can do, really. And so the eclipse, I think by the time this show airs, the eclipse will have happened. Yeah. I think here in New York City, the MTA did their best to try to delay it.

Yeah, they tried to delay the eclipse. The union wasn't happy. Yeah, the union, they were going to go on strike. All right. We're going to stop joking. We're going to get very serious. We have some very serious information. First of all, my first guest today is Jack Pesobic, and my guest in our two is Gavin Wax.

But I want to talk about how the – I'm not making this up. How an eclipse proves God. Are you ready for this? The other day – I mean, I wrote about this in my book is atheism dead. I'm not making this up. Wait until you hear this. I wrote about this in my book is atheism dead. I think I wrote about it for Newsweek, like in 2017, when there was an eclipse.

Here's the story. Now, listen carefully, because I promise you, I'm not making this up. This is insane. This is the most, to me, clear proof of God. This is clear. If somebody doesn't believe in God, here's the point. Okay. The moon.

If you look up, what is the diameter of the moon? Okay. You just look it up. You know, it's, I don't know, it's something like, what is it, 2,000 miles or whatever it is. Look up the diameter of the moon. You look it up. Then you look up the diameter of the sun. This is available online.

In two seconds, you can Google, okay? You divide one by the other, and the moon is about one four hundredth the size of the sun. Okay, so tiny, tiny, tiny, about one four hundredth the size of the sun. So the sun is 400 times bigger than the moon in terms of the sun. diameter, right? You can look it up. Then you look up what is the distance from the Earth to the moon? About 240,000 miles. And then what is the distance from the Earth to the Sun? You know, about 92, 93 million miles, which turns out to be almost exactly 400 times farther away. The sun is from the Moon comparison to where we are on Earth. What that means, if you're tracking,

Are you ready, folks? What that means is in the sky, the moon, which is one four hundredth the size of the sun, nonetheless looks exactly the same size as the sun. The sun, which is 400 times larger than the moon, because it's 400 times further away from us than the moon, looks exactly the same size in the sky as the moon, from the position only of planet Earth, which is where most people live.

What that means is, when the two of them happen to come together in the sky, we get perfect eclipses. One blots the other out perfectly. This, if you know anything about the solar system, if you know anything about any of this stuff, you say, wow, that is crazy. the idea that, you know, the moon could be a little smaller, a little larger.

No, no, no, no, no. It is exactly the right size and the right distance so that from the point of view of Earth, again, only from the point of view of Earth, it is exactly the same size in the sky. So that when we have eclipses and when they happen, it's not like, you know, the sun is four times bigger and it's kind of cool that we see that. No, no, no, they are exactly the same size. Now, most people would say that's not a coincidence because it's obviously not a coincidence. It's insane. It's an evidence of design that God designed the sun and the moon and the earth and everything.

But these are kind of the most basic examples. We don't have a third object in the sky. There's only two objects. You're standing on the surface of this planet. You look up. You see the moon. You see the sun. You see the sun, you see the moon, your whole life.

You see the sun, you see the moon. Yeah. Did it ever occur to you, folks, how bizarre it is that they are exactly the same size? I mean exactly the same size from the point of view only of planet Earth. Kind of looks like God designed it, wouldn't you say? I would. It's kind of like the cosmic symmetry is bonkers. So really, like, if the sun were smaller size that on the eclipse, it would look like maybe

Maryland and Rose Molmark or something. Exactly. I believe it was Isaac Newton who first said the cosmic symmetry is bonkers. He said that and Chris is just quoting. He's quoting it after the Apple fell on his head. That's why. He was like, I mean, but the thing is there are things that once you get it, if you get what I just said, it should freak you out. Yeah. You should say, if I didn't believe in God, I think I would, it would freak me out. Yeah. So if, if For somebody to say, like, well, it's a coincidence, hey, that's dumb. You should laugh at somebody who says it's a coincidence because that's so, that's insanely stupid.

Like, it doesn't, you know, what is it? There's some people that no matter what proof you show them, they'll say it's coincidence because they don't like the idea of that. Empirically bonkers. I mean, it's empirically bonkers. That's also Newton coined the phrase empirically bonkers. And it's wonderful to have somebody on the program who knows the works of Isaac Newton well enough to be. He's my second favorite Newton behind Figg Newton.

Yeah. My favorite Newton. Yeah, Fig Newton used to be a real person. Yeah. Okay, so we just had to say these eclipses prove God. And every time I think about this, the insanity that the sun is 400 times larger than the moon, but it is 400 times farther away than the moon, therefore it looks exactly the same size. I still, when I discovered this, it was a little bit over 20 years ago, I was writing a book,

and I thought, this can't be right. I mean, I had not read it anywhere. I just somehow, I did the math. I looked it up, I think, in an actual encyclopedia. I was not using the internet at that time. And I, I just couldn't believe it. I said, this is like. And that's in your book, Is Atheism Dead, right? Yes. In Is Atheism Dead? I talk about this. This is, I mean, this is the most simple kind of proof of God. But there's, in, other proof of God in my book is atheism dead. Which we want to turn into a streaming video series. Right.

If you want to see that happen, let us know because we're going to make that happen. So I should, before we go to our guest, Jack Posobic. Oh, don't burn your eyes out, by the way. We should let people know. Actually, it's your choice. If you want to burn your eyes out. It's a free country. It's a free country.

Yeah. But tomorrow, April 9th, marks 79 years ago. on April 9th, Bonhoeffer was executed by the Nazis. So it's an important day tomorrow. We'll talk about it a little bit tomorrow. But I should say something happened to me yesterday. I came home. There was a box because I was in Montana.

I was in Charleston, South Carolina, we did Socrates and City, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I come home. There's a box. I opened up the box. And for the first time ever, I laid eyes on my new book. It's here. Beautiful.

Religionless Christianity. God's answer to evil. There's tons of Bonhofer stuff in here. The phrase, the unwieldy phrase, religionless Christianity, comes from Bonhofer, so I can blame Bonhofer. In the German, it's even more unwieldy. What does it mean? What does that mean?

Oh, you'll find out when you read the book, Chris. I may give you copy because I like you and you're a friend. And then again, I may not. I may let the free market determine whether you get a copy of this. I like the yellow. What color yellow would you call that? I would call it Religionist Christianity Yellow. It's perfect.

Yeah. Well, it's the opposite of my book. It's a sequel to Letter to the American Church. Letter to the American Church has this blue and then the yellow writing. This one is the yellow background and then the blue writing. I flipped it. I flipped it because it's the sequel to Letter to the American Church. Which you can see as a film. If you go to Letter to the American Church.com, Letter to the American Church.com. You can see tons of free showings across the country. Letter to the American Church.com. But this is the new book. Congratulations. Eric. Eric, I'm really excited about this, I've got to say. Okay, so when we come back talking to Jack Posobic, he's kind of a big deal, as you'll see. For 10 years, Patriot Mobile has been America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. And when I say only, trust me, they're the only one. Glenn and the team have been great supporters of this show, which is why I am proud to partner with them. Patriot Mobile offers dependable nationwide coverage, giving you the ability to access all three major networks, which means you get the same coverage.

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Folks, welcome back. As I told you, my guest right now is our friend Jack Posobic. That's how he pronounces his name. And he's here to talk about an exciting new book called Religionless Christianity by Eric Metaxus. Jack, welcome back. Well, Eric, it's so wonderful to be here. You know, religionless Christianity is the greatest threat facing the Western Church right now. Actually, that's true. But you know what?

Because I like you, I want to talk about your new book. Oh, that's right. In all seriousness. Even though my book, actually my book, this exciting book, which I got in the mail yesterday, is actually technically not yet out. People can pre-order it, but it's not out for another two weeks or something like that. Your book... I'm in the same boat, actually. Your book, but seriously, your book is so exciting. I joke around. It's called Unhumans. Brilliant title, Jack. Brilliant. Unhumans, the secret history

of communist revolutions. This is where we are now in America. We need to understand this. Leave it to Jack Pesobic to write this book now called Unhumans. So let me ask you, so people understand the secret history of communist revolutions. Why did you pick what I know to be a brilliant title, Unhumans? Where do you get that concept from? Unhumans? So it's really interesting because a lot of people, and thanks again for having me on, Eric, and the title Unhumans and myself, my co-author, Joshua Lysek, we were bandying back and forth different titles for this thing. And I had done a number of podcasts over the series of last two years where we went through China. We did the China files.

And then that went over really well two years ago. Then this past year, I went and did sort of spot episodes on France, on Russia, on Spain, on even the 1960s in America. You know, sort of the cultural revolution the United States faced. And people said, you have to turn this into a book. And so when we were thinking about titles, we said, what is it that unifies all these things? These are different parts of the world. These are different cultures. These are different traditions.

There's different religious practices in all of these areas. It's really the four quarters of the planet. And I said, what unites them is a shared hatred of humanity, of humanity itself. Okay, can I? And so when you become that hateful of humanity, you become unhuman. And it's also, by the way, a noun and a verb. How is it a verb? Because in the sense of the unhumans, so the unhumans is the noun, the verb is too unhuman.

Oh, to unhuman. Well, I want to say that the reason I find this to be so important, I mean, it's not that I find, it is important, is that communist revolutions are fundamentally atheistic and they do hate human beings. And as you trace, we're going to be talking about it now. But what is, why do they hate human beings? Why? Because human beings are created in the image of God. And everything about us points to God. Without God, we make no sense.

If you're Satan, you hate human beings. You hate those who are made in the image of God. You despise them. That is the spirit behind communist revolutions. And it's in a weird way, I do talk about. that in my book, Religinalist Christianity. I don't specifically talk about, I mean, I don't get into it the way you do. But this is at the heart of what we're facing right now and what we're facing in America. But how do you want to frame it? I mean, the book is brand new, Unhumans, the secret

history of communist revolutions. How do you want to frame it? How do you want to get into the conversation? Because I do think it speaks to where we are in America today. Well, and it's very clear, Eric, the, you know, the first thing they do is they make it illegal to be normal. They make it illegal to be successful. They make it illegal to be an achiever. Again, we're seeing all of this today. They go after the prayerful. They go after the religious. They go after clerics. They go after the religious orders, religious women. And it is all based, and this is what people need to understand. It is all based in envy. It is all based in pride. It is based in resentment. It is based in cruelty. the ideology is all just window dressing.

It is not about equality. It is not about equity. It is not about social justice or any of those things that they bandy around. Again, it is all about their own hatred and tearing down those that which they believe or they claim are the quote unquote oppressors. And so this is what gives them the, what we would call justification to then go and commit these acts. of evil itself. And you can see this, whether it's, whether it's the, uh, the brutal slaughter of the Christian leaders of Russia, the Romanov family, whether it's the slaughter of priests and nuns in Spain, uh, and you can go country to country or the, the desecration of the cathedral of

Notre Dame during the French Revolution, the execution of the Carmelite nuns, uh, at the hands of the guillotine, ordered by Rose Pierre himself in France. And then you fast forward all the way to today. And what did we see last week? We saw, last week the conviction of a 71-year-old praying grandma from January 6th, a praying, actually a great-grandmother. And I said, I look back and I said, oh, great. So we're going, we're arresting the landlords. And now we're going after the religious women.

This has all happened before. It is a playbook. And we would submit, and we submit throughout the book. This playbook is not being run in some random. sense or some random fashion. It is in fact a classic playbook that we've broken down and systemized. We've also created a system to defeat it, by the way. And we explain chapter and verse how they employ it in different situations all around the world and how we are going through that very same system today. These are not the unintended consequences of good faith actors. These are the

intended consequences of bad faith actors. Well, what's interesting, Jack, at least how I see it as interesting, is you try to process this. And I think that the way for communists to succeed over and over and over again is you have to have people dumb enough or gullible enough or naive enough or openly wicked enough. But usually it's the wicked who are leading this. It's the gullible who are accepting it. You have to have those people to make it possible.

And we now have in the United States of America enough people who are so confused about, you know, the beauty of the American experiment, the founders, just magnificent experiment in ordered liberty and why it's beautiful and why it leads to human flourishing and why, despite every hiccup, every problem, it is the greatest idea that we've ever had in any government in the history of the world. If you don't understand that, you're open to the ideologies of, you know, let's say it. In many ways, it's neo-Marxism, it's cultural Marxism. All of these evil ideologies, they need people not to understand what they're about. You need people naive enough to say, that sounds like a great idea. But we've had this over and over, and you in the book on humans, you trace this. You show over and over again, what? is promised and then what actually happens. So we've seen it happen through history. It's not like,

you know, it's not 1790 where you can say, well, it's a new thing. We've never tried it before. We've tried it over and over and over again. And we can see very clearly what happens. Well, Eric, and this is something that actually we get asked a lot. And sometimes when we're involved in these debates over the book, which is already causing a lot of controversy online, And we're, you know, people will say, well, why is it? And I get this asked by well-meaning people all the time. They say, why is it the people still support communism, even though we know it's responsible for 100 million deaths around the world?

And I would submit to them that the people at the top, the purveyors, the wicked, not the gullible, but the wicked, the actual leaders, they don't view that 100 million as a problem. They view that as a good start. They would say, keep in mind, right, put the Maoist framing on it. Well, those were anti-revolution. revolutionaries, those were landowners, those were right-wing extremists, a favorite phrase of the Maoist cultural revolution of the 1960s. Those people were standing in the way of progress, and therefore they had to be dealt with in order so that the new utopia could be born. And so, again, they understand

exactly what it is they're doing. Yes, there are many gullible people who I do think are tricked by these logic tricks and these word games and this this flowery language and this is something by the way we actually go after conservatives quite a bit in the book because it's conservatives who don't understand these things yet and fall for these argumentative traps but when it comes down to it they do present a vision of the future it's completely false it's insane and it's it's never going to happen but conservatives do not uh i would i would argue that conservatives don't do a great job of professing what i call a viable alternative vision, a viable alternative vision for what the country should be, what any country could be, what the future should be like. Instead, we find ourselves wrapped in these argumentative debates with the left, while the left is completely running roughshod over every single liberty and legal privilege and every single tradition that we have in this country while we're sitting here trying to argue with them about it. And at the heart of it all, folks, in case you're not clear, it is a hatred of God, a demonic hatred of God that manifests itself in all kinds of ways, in a hatred of what is human. Hence the title of the book, Unhumans. We continue with Jack Posobic when we return.

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Jack Posobic, who himself has a genuinely important book, which I hope you will buy. It is called Unhumans, the secret history of communist revolutions. Jack, we were just talking about how this happens over and over and over again in history. And if you're familiar with the history, you see the pattern clear as a bell. But if you're not familiar with history, as many young people are not, I'm not calling them ignorant, even though they are, but I'm not calling them that. They are gullible. They're open, and we need to let them know, excuse me, this has happened before.

People in the past have promised exactly what they're promising now. Let's look at how that happened. Let's look at how that turned out. That's what you would do in the book on humans. Precisely. In fact, so we go chapter and verse case study, each of the revolutions, not just, and I think people have done, and there's been lots of books already written on the conduct of the revolutions, or I should say the conduct of the governments once they take power.

Look, nobody's going to write a better book about Russian communism than Alexander Solzhenits into the Gula Agapelago. Nobody's going to write better books about Mao than the people who live through it that are starting to speak out now. But what we're specifically focusing on is how do these groups take power in the first place? And are there, and we look at it from a systems process because I'm coming to it from the perspective of a prior intelligence. officer in when we look at systems and people need to understand that Marxist Leninism is a competing system to the American constitution, the U.S. constitutional republic. This is a competing system, which is attempting, and right now by and large is winning, by the way, to supersede our system and quash our system. And so as an intel officer, what we look at are our enemy systems or

enemy supply lines or supply chains and how do you defeat them? How do you, how do you divert them? How do you dismantle them. Well, this is the same thing that we're doing, understanding the communist system as it's taking form. And then we identify through each of these various inputs and various moments where they could have been defeated along the line. In some cases, they were defeated like Spain, other places, they were not defeated like Russia. And it ends up becoming, well, we're just going to wait them out. It takes about 80 years. And it's absolutely horrific. My wife can tell you all about the fall of the Soviet Union because she lived through it. as a young girl growing up and was born in the Soviet Union.

And we'll tell you what happens when your country collapses and your entire government collapses around you, the anarchy, the chaos. You talk about defunding the police. What happens when no one's paying the police at all? And imagine what comes forth because of that. That's something that nobody wants to live through. I think I want to say that if you talk to people who have tasted communism, they are the most radical enemies of communism.

My mother grew up in Nazi Germany, which is very similar to communism. It's kind of an inversion, but it's the same thing where the state wants to crush the church, wants to crush human beings. You buy into this satanic ideology. But the part of Germany that my mom lived in at the end of the war was taken over by the Soviets. So my mother was under Soviet-style communism in East Germany at the end of the war. age 17, finding it unbearable, she escaped. My father was in Greece. Right after the war, what happened in Greece? The communist tried to take over in Greece. Thank the Lord, they failed.

But my mother and father have both tasted this evil. And anyone like your wife, Jack, who has seen this, tasted this, they know how evil it is. And most Americans are very naive. We've been so blessed in America. We really can't imagine how evil this is. And therefore, We're not fighting sufficiently against it. That needs to change yesterday. It's what I talk about all the time. It's what you're talking about all the time. And I'm just glad you wrote the book.

And I'm glad for the title, Unhumans, because you just, you just nail it. That's just a perfect example, a perfect description of who they are and what their goals are. I appreciate that. And I'm glad for our publisher, Skyhorse, for standing with us and agreeing to do a book with the title like this. It is very provocative, and it's meant to be very provocative. It's meant to be something, and the cover as well, you know, when you see this on the shelf, you're not going to be able to look past it very quickly. It's got, you know, the giant red skull with the hammer and sickle on it and, and people being led to the slaughter, basically. It's almost like the Mexican Day of the Dead meets communism.

And, you know, it's something where people, I hope, can understand that, you know, as we know, of course, history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. and what we're living through now is not a repeat of the past. But what's interesting now is because the reason, and we actually address this question, because you'll hear a lot from people who say, well, there's no cultural revolution going on right now. There's no communist uprising going on. I can walk down the street and I don't see any communist looting the streets. By the way, you remember this in 2020. The leftists used to do this all the time where they would go and say, well, I've got a picture of Seattle right now,

and I'm here sipping my coffee and everything's fine, or I'm in Portland, or I'm in Portland, or I'm in Washington, D.C., and nobody's burning my city down. Well, we argue, now, of course, other parts of the city were being burnt down at the same time. I was in Chas in 2020, so I can confirm that, yes, that all did actually happen. But what's very interesting, Eric, we actually explain what's going on today, because in the same way, and this is where my military hat comes on, in the same way that warfare has changed, communist revolutions have changed. And so people have heard of concepts, third-generation warfare, fourth-generation warfare,

fourth generation warfare, fifth generation warfare, and we submit to our readers that we are now in a fifth generation warfare, irregular communist revolution. And because it's an irregular revolution, it mostly takes place online. It mostly takes place in what we call gray zone warfare, which is similar to where a lot of these conflicts happen right now. Look at Russia, Ukraine, look at Israel, Gaza. Yes, we know there is a on-the-ground quotient, but there is a very heavy social media online information space. Yes, that is how it's happening right now. The book is Unhumans, the secret history of communist revolutions.

We'll be right back more with Jack Pesobic. Don't go away. Welcome back talking to Jack Pesobic. At least that's how I pronounce your name. Jack Pesobic, how do you pronounce your name? That's exactly how I pronounce my name. Jack Pesobic. Are we both right or wrong?

In English. So in the Anglo-Sphere, we go with Pesobic. Because this is the English-speaking world and that's the English-speaking pronunciation of letters. However, when I'm anywhere east of Berlin, we go with the Slavic pronunciation. And the Slavic pronunciation is Pbzobietz. Psovietz. Psovietz. How about Jack?

Yanik. Yanik Posovic. Yadzik. Yadzik Posovits. Welcome. Okay. When I'm in Greece or among Greek people, I don't say metaxis. I say metaxas.

Erichos metaxas, catalavete. So, but we're just going to go with Jack Posobic for today. For now. For now. I believe I'm pretty sure that I am on the western side of the Great Divide. So your book is Unhumans, the Secret History of Communist Revolutions. And you're talking about how they all have, you know, tremendous similarities. And if you understand those similarities, you can track what happened in seven

You know, 91. You can go to the Soviets. You can see this through history, and you can understand that it's happening now. Think of it. The word you just used, the word that we use every single day, the nomenclature, the very nomenclature that we use left and right. It's amazing to me that so many people don't even realize that the words left and right come from the French Revolution.

Specifically, this was a physical place. physical time and place where the Jacobin sat on the left and the monarchists sat on the right. And this is why we refer to the left as being the revolutionaries and the right as being the traditional. And that is why left-handed people must be killed. Killed, I tell you. It's actually, it's interesting. Do the Italians allow the left-handed people to have full citizenship yet? You know something in Greece?

This is no joke. In Greece, in my lifetime, if you were a kid in a Greek school, in Greece. Like in the late 60s, early 70s, they would not allow you to write with the left hand. That's another story. We don't have time to get into that. But it is kind of bizarre. Also the word, the Latin word, you know, sinister. The left was always kind of the dark side.

So, you know, it gets kind of kooky. It's very young yin. I just want to be very, yes. And I want to come out very clearly. I am not against Southpaws on this program. I want to be very clear. But we're talking about... Some of my best friends are South Paas.

Some of my best friends are South Paas. And they need to stop it. No, seriously, your book is titled Unhumans, the Secret History of Communist Revolution. So talk about the way this is happening now. Because, again, it's different. There are a lot of similarities, but there's some differences between what happened, you know, in Mao's cultural revolution in the Stalinist, I'm sorry, in the Bolshevik revolution, in the French Revolution, what are we seeing now? Because now we're dealing with, you know, communist China and the globalists who really have a,

they have a communist agenda, but they don't always advertise it as such. Well, what's really interesting is that even in Xi Jinping's China, the struggle sessions are still going on. I don't think people realize that as much outside of China. But one of the top-rated television shows in all of China, China right now are Xi Jinping taking his political enemies and his political opponents who these, let's just say these days there aren't so many of them. They're a bit few and far between as opposed to about a decade ago when he took power, decade plus. And it was the prevailing television show where reality TV shows where Xi Jinping's opponents would appear

on television, recount their own crimes directly to the camera, so directly to the audience back home, admit what they had done, admit their personal corruption and their moral corruption, and then announced that they were going to be taking, I believe what they called a leave of absence from public life, never to be heard from again. So they could be tortured and killed.

You can't do that at home. You can't do that in your regular job. You need to take a leave of absence. No, look, this is so evil. And, Jack, let's be clear. This is beginning to happen in the United States of America. Worse. This has been happening.

with friends of mine who were at the Capitol on J6 have been forced to take plea bargains, to plead to misdemeanor crimes, complete garbage, so that they would avoid going to jail. Some of them are women who didn't want to go to jail, so they're forced to take plea bargains, and they have to kind of confess what they've done wrong, and they have to play this game. This is evil, ladies and gentlemen.

If you're not angry about this, you're not paying attention. or you have no soul. I prefer to think you're not paying attention. But it is happening in America. It is utterly despicable. If you're not offended by it and sickened by it, you need to be. You need to understand this is happening in America, and it's why I care so much about this book Unhumans by Jack Posobic, my guest.

Eric, the final case study that we go through is we start all the way back. We actually talk about the fall of Rome in the very beginning, the same way that Mark's covered the fall of Rome. In the Communist Manifesto is the first country talks about the final case study that we get to. So we go from thousands of years ago all the way up. The final case study is what is happening to the J-Sixers right now. We go through it. Now, we can't get them all in there, but we get enough in there that people understand what's really going on.

And in the way, we actually refer to January 6th as sort of an inverse bestile, in a sense. We call it the inverse bestile. Because the bestial, of course, and they claimed it was the releasing of political prisoners. They actually weren't really that many prisoners in the Bastille when it was stormed. But, you know, we let them have their little story because, of course, we know what happens with history and victors. But when it comes to January 6th, this was an inverse Bastille because they claimed that the Capitol had been stormed. And then they used this false storming, this false insurrection story to lock up the political prisoners. We should, you know, make a movie of the story of J6,

from the point of view of the liars, you know, who, who, who are putting forth this evil narrative. And we'll show the bloody head of, you know, Speaker Pelosi on a pike and the mag of people carrying the pike with their head on the bike. Because this is what they, they seem to think happen. But of course, it didn't happen. You do a side by side, right? This is what they say. This is what actually happened. And then you have people, look, and I have to keep saying it.

Rebecca Leverins, 71 years old. a great grandmother, Eric, she stormed the capital with prayers, with horrific anti-American chants. You know what she was chanting? She was chanting USA, USA. And this is what's even more horrific. What she wore was even worse than a clanhood. What she was wearing was a little headband with little springs of American flags popping out. That's where we are in America, folks.

That's why we're talking to Jack Basobic. The book is Unhuman. don't go away. Welcome back talking to Jack Pesobic, who has a new book out called Unhumans, the secret history of communist revolutions. Jack, I just have to ask you, what do you make of those who say they're conservatives and Republicans who still don't get what we're talking about and who definitely don't get the truth about J6? I mean, the fact that Mike Pence is not talking about the injustice of people being imprisoned, like my friend John Strand.

It's mind-boggling to me that they have bought this fiction, these lies about what happened. They really believe the quote-unquote official narrative. It's a sick thing. It's a staggering thing in America that you have people who have access to the truth, the information, and who have some, I would say interest in knowing the truth who refused to acknowledge it.

That's to me more disturbing than evil people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer pushing forth this wicked narrative. What can I say, Eric, people going all the way back to Lenin, really, people have been referred to by Lenin as useful idiots for a long, long time. And there were times during specifically the Bolshevik revolution where there were people who sat around in St. Petersburg and Piotr Rangel in his memoir, always with honor, Rangel led the white army, which was the anti-communist army, sort of the remnants of the imperial army that were held out in southern Russia for the last stages of the Russian Civil War,

trying to defeat Bolshevism. And he would talk about this very same dynamic of which you're speaking, where he says there were people who didn't seem to think that what was going on, would ever affect them. The social course, their course of social high society continued as before, the aristocrats and the elites and they thought, oh, this is just some political thing and it doesn't involve me. And as long as I have my land and my money and my contracts, I'll be perfectly fine. And the line that Rangel uses in the book, he says that they were ignorant of the fact that they would become themselves, the victims. of the horrors to come. And he was writing this in the 1920s.

I mean, listen. I didn't even see the full extent of Stalin. The thing, the thing to me is that there are people, you know, there are people that they're, you know, Beltway hacks, those kind of Republicans that are pushing this narrative. A lot of people on Fox, Fox News, are still pushing the fake false J6 narrative. I think even Ben Shapiro. I'm a fan of Ben Shapiro.

I agree with most of what he says, maybe not everything. But there's certain people that I get really shocked when I hear that they seem to think that what didn't happen happened. I mean, it's kind of hard to take. The issue, I think, is, and then, you know, not to go after any specific conservative pundits or others out there. But it's, I think people need to understand we don't have a lot of time left. here. We don't actually have that much power in the United States. If you consider yourself a conservative or right, a moderate, this is not a conservative book, by the way. This is not a book where I'm talking about the importance of conservatism and these ideals. Those are great books,

but that's not this book. This book is, hey, these guys are about to win. They are on the precipice of winning everything. They already control every institution in the country. They already control almost all the levers of power. And so if you think that now is the time for us to have just, you know, polite debates with them and not actually take action. That's right. Whether it be on the legal side or the activist side, then you're just not getting it. And you are whistling past the graveyard. That is exactly what I've been talking about everywhere I go when I'm talking about my book,

Letter to the American Church. There's a film, Letter to the American Church.com. You can see the film. My new book, Religinalist Christianity, I'm talking about what you just said all day long. Jack, grateful for your time. We may grab you for another segment. In the meantime, folks, don't go away.