The Eric Metaxas Show - Jack Posobiec and E. Calvin Beisner

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Jack Posobiec continues his conversation about his new book "Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions", plus E. Calvin Beisner discusses an important book on climate change "Climate and Energy: The Case for Realism".

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Oh, thank you, Eric. And the urgency is simple. Look, they are locking up pro-lifers. They are locking up religious women. They are locking up landowners and homeowners. Again, this is a feature that, by the way, the abolishment of private property is, of course, course, the central tenet of the religion of communism. It is on which all others rest. And so, of course, going and locking up landowners, go and look what Chairman Mao did to landowners or what happened to the Kulaks in the Russian Revolution. I assure you, it is, we're lucky that all they're doing is locking them up at this point. But the idea that, or what the Rojas did in Spain, the idea that all of this is happening, just at random, that all of these answers, all of these

problems that we see are just happening by the flooding of our border the flooding of our border the letting in of nared wells of criminals of illegals letting in of an underclass and the flooding of the country with a lumpen parole as marks would say is again part and parcel because what we're seeing eric is that leftist politics is fundamentally a coalition of the fringes and the way that their politics works is not through you know persuasion or good answers it's through increasing the level of those fringes. So increasing the amount of criminals who can vote, increasing the amount of legals in the country, and then giving them the right to vote, increasing the amount of people who claim they are marginalized, who claim they are oppressed, who claim they are, and this is

where you get the inverted hierarchy of intersectionalism. Again, we see this again and again, and as conservatives, I've noticed this pathological sense, and it is pathological among a lot of conservatives to complain and whine and say, oh, they shouldn't do that and scold and tongue lash, and you shouldn't have those beliefs, and you do nothing as their coalition grows larger. I just have to say, like, the perfect picture of the nonsense of intersectionality, I guess it was yesterday, a black man named Don Lemon, an oppressed group. Oh, also gay, oppressed group. was quote unquote married on Fifth Avenue.

And just the picture of him and his, I think the term his boyfriend, with their dogs walking down Fifth Avenue, just being lauded, you know, by Joy and Hayhart, Joy Behar and Alex Baldwin and all these people. I just thought this is the antithesis of oppression. This is a celebration. of what? I don't know. I'll tell you what's a celebration of. Eric, it's a celebration of power.

It is a celebration of power. They are flaunting in the face of Christian America and religious America that we have now ascended. We are now the ones in power. We are the ones who will flaunt it in your faces. We can walk away from X. We can walk away from CNN. We can do everything else. And we are still the ones in power.

It is, as the kids would say, it's a flex. It's a flex. Well, I just have to say the fact that they were carrying their cute little dogs, it's kind of like, yes, we are the cliche. The cliche of two men, you know, coming out. And by the way, it's Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church where they were made that used to be an actual church. I knew Tom Toole, who was the lead pastor at that church number of years ago. The idea that these ideologies have infiltrated the church, that's what I talk about in our film Letter to the American Church.

That is the most horrifying, that these ideologies have infiltrated the church. The fact that it's New York City as well is so important to us, because you can go see it this past Easter Sunday, or these other days, go and look at 1956, the New York skyline on Good Friday, the three crosses of Calvary. Now you fast forward to today, and we have Easter Sunday being declared the day of transvisibility, and many of those skyline, much of the skyline of New York City lit up with the colors of the trans flag.

The question is, what happened in America? Yeah. whereby in the former system of values where those three crosses of Calvary were proudly displayed on Good Friday. Remember, America has always been and maintains to this day to be a Christian majority country. Oh, look, it's not just Christian majority. It's not allowed to show our symbols. Well, we also would not have an America, if not for the Christian faith. It doesn't mean that we legally require people to be Christians.

But you know something, Jack, I'm older than you, in the 80s, when I was first living, in New York, there was at least one building. It was probably the Pan Am building or what used to be called the Pan Am building above Grand Central with the lit up in the shape of the cross, with the windows in the shape of the cross. I remember this in the 80s. So

They do it on Good Friday? That's what I'm saying. This is not something that went away in 1956. It is not new. It's gone away over time and here we are and now, you know, we're celebrating Don Lemon, who's so oppressed it's sad.

Somebody needs to help him. And our argument, Eric, our argument is that this, this ideology, this competing ideology, has supplanted the power, the former power ideology in the country,

the former moral core of the country, if you want to use it in those, put it in the couch in the language. And so this is where, by the way, you see this, and I see this all the time myself as, you know,

I've come up with a new phrase for this, by the way. I've realized that you get in trouble, you don't get in trouble, trouble for going to church and saying, oh, I'm a Christian and it's Easter and I'm going to go to Mass and I'm going to go to go to my family and we're going to go to service and then we're going to have an Easter dinner and we're going to put out the eggs and everybody's fine. Nobody cares. But you know when they start caring, Eric? They start caring when you become an active Christian.

They don't care if you're a passive Christian. If it stays in the church, remember this phrase, behind closed doors. But now, which one is behind? We've been put behind the closed doors. Honestly. And, but if you go and bring that into the public square, if you bring that cross from inside those closed doors into the public square, you get, you will get Christian leaders who are upset with you. You'll get political leaders. You'll get pundits like David French losing their minds. Rob Reiner is going to make documentaries about you. You wouldn't know this, but this is exactly what I talk about everywhere I go.

Everything you just said is what I talk about everywhere I go. Christian nationalism is a term invented by the secular left, parentheses, the devil, for active. I've never met a Christian who says Christian nationalism. Of course not. But it's the term to demonize active Christians, actual Christians. And no joke, no joke, the cover of my new book, Religinalist Christianity, God's Answer to Evil. It says there's only one hope left to save America and the world. Active, robust, and public faith in God.

Look, we did not plan that. No, we did not plan that. That's why when you say it. Active, subversive, passive, Christianity. Active, robust, and public faith in God. And that, folks, that's our only hope. And so if you want to have your little hobby Christianity and you want to hide like you're doing your little hobby thing

on Sunday morning in the little building, that has no relevance to the outside world, that's the devil's kind of Christianity. That's Chairman Mao's kind of Christianity. That's Hitler's kind of Christianity. And that's not God's kind of Christianity. So you need to live out your faith. So Biden's kind of Christianity.

Well, that's exactly right. And that's where we are. And that's why this is a call to arms. And I don't mean, you know, of the bullet kind, of the rifle kind. This is, if you don't fight on your knees, if you don't fight in the public square for these things, they are being, what we're talking about, and this is in your book, Unhumans, it is a satanic rage against God. We're seeing it. And many in the church are complying. Many in the church are saying, you know, I don't want any trouble. Let's just play the game and we'll hang out. We'll put a big black square on my social media. We'll hang out a rainbow flag. We're inclusive, whatever the heck that means. We're at a time. Jack Posobic, congratulations.

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Guess what? I have a guest on talking about a book. We've never done that before. but today my guest is Dr. Cal Bisoner talking about a brand new book. Now, you will know that this is something that interests me, and I assume it will interest you. The book is called Climate and Energy, The Case for Realism. Dr. Cald Beisner, welcome. Thank you very much. It's a privilege to be here.

Many people like me have been so thoroughly disgusted with the climate change lunacy that we have just, tuned it out. It's like a, some kind of a pagan religion. It has no bearing on reality. In the beginning, I think a lot of people thought, oh, there's something here. And the more time that passes, the more you feel that this is just something being shoved down our throats. When we try to get the facts, it's confusing. So I think a lot of people have just tuned it out as just as nonsense. Obviously, we care about the environment, but this seems to be something else going on. What is your take? Well, you know, if I had to choose only between two extremes, either man-made climate change is real and it's catastrophic and it's going to be an existential threat.

And unless we essentially commit economic suicide by depriving ourselves of all use of fossil fuels, we're all going to die on one extreme. Or it's all utter nonsense. There's no global warming. There's no climate change. Human activity wouldn't come. contribute to it if there were, and we just have nothing to be concerned about it all. You know, between those two, I think the latter is the more likely true. But we don't have to choose between those two extremes. That's why our book is titled Climate and Energy, the Case for Realism. We're not climate alarmists, and we're not climate change deniers either. Instead, our view is that human-induced climate change or global warming is really.

but it is very unlikely to be catastrophic. If we choose adaptation rather than mitigation, that is if our choice is to let climate change as it will, but we will adapt to it by building sea walls, by having better air conditioning, by lifting more people out of poverty so that they can protect themselves about anything about weather, right? adaptation will be much less expensive and far more effective in our response to climate change.

And indeed, if we choose adaptation instead of mitigation, we will be far better off at the end of this century than we were at its start or at any time in human history. I didn't mention your credentials or your background. How did you come to write a book on the subject of climate and energy? Yeah, well, first off, I didn't write it. I'm one of the two co-editors. My co-editor is Dr. David Aral Legates. He is the Emeritus Professor of Climatology at the University of Delaware. So he brings the climatological science background as an editor. I bring a background primarily in economics, economic ethics, developmental economics, and environmental economics. I've done a lot of work in the field of population, resources, and pollution, written several books in the field before this. And then we have 14 other authors who have contributed to this, a total of nine climate scientists and several economists who specialize in either development or climate,

and some energy experts as well. And some of the folks have credentials in two or more of those fields. So it's a good mix for this. And I came really to have my interest in this, partly because of my own early childhood in India, where I observed extreme poverty. And what I'm convinced of is that the demand that we should abandon fossil fuels in favor of wind and solar and other so-called renewables is essentially a demand that we slow, stop, or reverse the climb out of poverty for billions of people around the world. And poverty is a much greater risk to human health and life than anything related to climate and weather. We know that from the simple fact that over the last hundred years, the rate of human mortality due to extreme weather events has fallen by more than 98%. And that's during the period that we've had global warming, which indicates that the warming obviously isn't bad enough for us to have a difficulty adapt.

to it. Instead, we can more than adapt to it, we can do just great even with it. When people talk about global warming, you know, it's great to have somebody you on, like you on, because I always want, I want the answers, you know, and I feel like it strikes me that it has been grandly overstated, the idea of global warming, so grandly that you suspect there's an agenda there. So, I mean, you just referred to it as something, that's real, to what extent is it real? And to what extent should we be concerned about it? Sure. I think we have very, very sound, empirical, observational evidence that global average

temperature has risen by somewhere around 1 to 1.1 degree Celsius in about the last 150 years. It's rising currently, that is, since about 1980. It's rising at a rate of about 0.14 degrees Celsius per decade. That would be 1.4 degrees in a century. And frankly, there's nothing to worry about from that. We all experience much greater swings of temperature from nighttime low to daytime high, from winter low to summer high. And in fact, history tells us that the warmest periods for the world have been the healthiest, not just for human beings, but for all other life as well. So we're not looking at massive warming. Richard Attenborough in one documentary actually said that the planet is boiling or will be boiling.

Well, gee whiz, boiling temperature of water at sea level is 212 degrees Fahrenheit. The average temperature in the world right now is about 59, maybe 59 and a half degrees Fahrenheit. height, it would take an awful long time at 1.4 degrees Celsius per century to rise to boiling point of water. But I mean, that's so interesting. He's obviously exaggerating. I mean, we know he doesn't mean it literally, but he's still, you know, underscoring the idea of global warming to the point that we're in big trouble. We're going to be in big trouble. And I have to say, you know, as a layman, it's offensive to me because it's propagandistic. It's trying to shove people to do things that are not in their best interest.

You just mentioned it. I mean, it's kind of like what we saw with COVID. People just raise the specter of death, death, death. And they don't talk about, well, how many deaths will there be if we shut down every church? And what will that do? People will commit suicide. Are we factoring that in? No, no, no.

We don't care about that. All we care of is about COVID death. That's what we're talking about here. The idea that people's lives in India and other places around will be miserable. if we implement these changes, but we don't care about that. All we care about is what might result from, you know, incremental rise in global temperatures. So it's very myopic, let's put it that way. Absolutely.

You know, back at the start of the COVID lockdowns, I wrote an article for Cornwall Alliance's blog. By the way, I'm the president of the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewards of Creation, and we basically produced this book. I wrote an article called How Many Uninfected People Will Die, Will, Will, the lockdowns kill and running some economic models on how many extra deaths occur with every million dollars reduction in gross domestic product. I predicted that the lockdowns would kill more people than the COVID would. At the end, I turned out right. Yes, unfortunately, you were exactly correct. Yeah, people don't look at more and more different aspects of a problem.

certainly the case with global warming. They'll say, okay, CO2 is warming the atmosphere. Well, a tiny, tiny bit, yes, and there are reasons why it's a tiny bit and it will get smaller and smaller. But they forget that CO2 also is plant food. Plants have to have it for photosynthesis, and they grow better the more CO2 there is in the atmosphere. That makes more food available for everything that eats plants or eats something that does eat plants, and that is tremendous help to the poor. A major study done about a decade ago concluded that the CO2 we added to the atmosphere from 1960 to 2012 increased global crop production by about $3.2 trillion. And if we forecast to 2050, the CO2 we would increase until then would increase global crop production

by another roughly $9.8 trillion. So you have to look at all the pros and cons, not just at the cons. I just appreciate your radical common sense, your willingness to see both sides of the story, your graciousness to those who are effectively alarmists and troublemakers, but at least being willing to kind of look at it. So folks, the book is called Climate and Energy, The Case for Realism. Climate and Energy, the case for realism. And Dr. Cal Bisoner, we thank you for your work with the book and for being my guest today.

Thank you. Well, thank you very much, Eric, and the Lord bless you. People can get this book on Amazon, but they can also get it at Cornwallalliance.org. Cornwall alliance.org. Hey, this is Eric Mettaxas. For years, I've told you about Nutrametics, a professional supplement brand trusted by doctors since 1993. Nutrametics offers a variety of health bundles. Whether you want to support your immune system,

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mypillow.com and use promo code Eric. Hey there, folks. Welcome to the program. Our guest, that we were going to have a guest for this hour. And he couldn't make it in. Yeah. I don't know if it was eclipse related or... I think he got hit by the eclipse. He's one of the casualties. You hear that the eclipse, some people deal with it better than others.

Yeah. And the guests who was supposed to be here, it hit him hard. Let's just be honest. In that song, Total Eclipse of the heart, it's turn around bright eyes. But I think he got it backwards and he bright eyes and turned around. Yeah. And he burned his eyes. out staring at the sun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's when the bus hit him. And you know what?

He was a great guy, but the eclipse, he's just one of the casualties of the eclipse, and we're going to have to move on, okay? Yeah. Life is for the living people. So, well, we did want to talk about some stuff anyway that we might as well talk about it now. Does anyone else have a 23-year-old daughter who constantly refers to Mercury and Retrograde? Because I have one of those at home. You have a 23-year-old daughter at home who refers to Mercury and Recregrade? She's always saying, like, any weird thing that happens, she brings that up. And I wonder if that's what happened to Gavin. But I don't even know what that means.

I don't either. Well, good. But apparently it's bad. Good. And apparently it's happening now. Then we're united. I'm just saying that might be why our guest didn't show up. Okay.

Well, it's okay. It's okay. Although there will be payback. No, but seriously, I want to talk about a couple things that I didn't get to talk about in the last segment. I was just in Montana. And I was just in Charleston for a number of days. We did for like five days. You should have a travel show.

We should be doing a travel show. I think I am doing a travel show. It's just we don't call it that. But I was just in Charleston, South Carolina, which is one of the most beautiful cities. It might be the most beautiful city in America. Yeah. Could you think of a more, I can't think of a more beautiful city.

I haven't spent much time there, and I really wanted to go, but I have, I couldn't make it. Well, it is. But you record, you recorded radio on the porch of a beautiful home. Yes, and guess what? It's not a porch. It's not a porch. What do they call it? It's not the veranda.

Wait a minute. The piazza. Oh, wow. They call, in Charleston, this is. This is a house from 1846, and although people live in it in the present, and I was there recently, which was in 2024. So this is a beautiful old house, magnificent house. Our friends, Richard and Pam Scurry, lived there, and the owners know nothing about it. They're squatters.

But these are some of our dearest friends. They've been friends for whatever, quarter of a century. They were in New York for years, but extremely dear friends, Richard and Pam Scurry. So we stayed in their home, and they have these magnificent, there's no other word for it. They're piazzas because there's some kind of Italian, I don't know why. But in any event, I recorded a program from the piazza. But Charleston is undeniably beautiful. It is beautiful because a lot of times cities will have a block or two that is nice or a historic district.

Charleston has that in spades. It's just it goes on and on beautiful building after beautiful building, after beautiful house, after beautiful. It's just amazing. And it's because Sherman did not burn Charleston. He burned Atlanta, I believe, Savannah, but not Charleston. That was kind of him. Wasn't that sweet?

Well, I know a lot of cities, too, suffer the whole thing where, like, during the 60s or 70s. Yeah. They decided, you know, the trend was to go modern and they made everything ugly. And I know places in London in particular, they're reverting the facades of some of these places that were destroyed with bad design. Yes. And they're making them beautiful again. In any event, Charleston is still beautiful. It was never wrecked.

And when I was there, we just have a number of dear friends that were there. Some friends visited. And we had a Socrates in the city event. I spoke at a pregnancy center on April 4th, sorry, at their gala evening, which was tremendous. the Low Country Pregnancy Center, Heroes. The next night we had a Socrates and City event with Mark Helprin. He is unbelievable. I can't wait until we get this up on YouTube.

Folks, he's like an insane genius. I mean, his books, his new book is called The Oceans and the Stars. I recommended highly. With him, I would probably start with a soldier of the Great War. It's just nobody's writing like this. Literally nobody is writing like this. And I had a weird miracle happen. My friend David Englehart, who is the pastor, I spoke, by the way, on Sunday at, was that yesterday, at a church in Charleston.

It's a sister church. It's the, yes, it's a church plant, King's Church in New York City, which is pastor by David Englehart. They have a sister church. They planted a church in Charleston. I spoke there yesterday. and David Englehart showed up at the event. He drove to the event. And he told me this crazy miracle story.

I don't know if I have time to get it in. You ready? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. He said that he was going to this vintage watch dealer. And he talked to the guy on the phone, and the guy was going on and on when he found out that David and I were friends. He's a big fan of the show and of me and my books, and he just flipped out.

And so David went to visit him at this vintage watch store. and David Englehart said, and the Holy Spirit told me that this guy was going to give me a vintage watch. Now, that's kind of weird, but if you know David, David doesn't like do this kind of stuff. Like, Sophie says God told him something. So David calls me up, he says, Eric, God told me that this guy is going to give me a watch.

And he goes, and I get there, and he gave me a watch for you. Wow. And it is a, it is a volcano cricket watch from 1947. but how bizarre. It's just so bizarre. There's more to the story, but it was like a real miracle. Anyway, we had such a great time in Charleston.

We loved it. The Socrates and City is, you know, they're always fun. And you know, I should say my new book, Religionless Christianity, you can purchase copies, sign copies, and non-sign copies at Socratesinthe City.com. Socrates in the city.com will be right back. Hey there, folks. In case I haven't mentioned it, I have a brand new book out called

Religionless Christianity, God's Answer to Evil. And in the book, I've never written a book like this, and I'm actually curious what people make of it. But one of the things that I talk about in the book, chapter six is the spirit behind cancel culture. And I talk about how this occurred when the Nazis were trying to persecute faithful Christians in Germany. They were persecuting others. But cancel culture was at work. It just wasn't called that back then. And it is happening now. It's happened at other times. So I wrote a chapter called the spirit behind cancel culture. And so I say if we're putting forward the idea of religionless Christianity as the answer to the evil we're seeing around us, we should draw a picture of what that evil.

looks like. And at the dark heart of the evil we're seeing in our time lies that hideous thing called cancel culture. Most of us have experienced something of cancel culture or we have at least seen it in operation around us. And then I talk about how it works. And I talk about how, like, you know, somebody says something. And then people freak out about what that person said and they come after them. The mob comes after them. And that's happened to me a number of times, but it's happened to others much, much more dramatically than it ever happened to me. And I talk about the spirit behind it, because the spirit behind cancel culture, and it is a demonic spirit, it doesn't believe in truth or justice.

So it pretends to say, oh, that's bad. You did a bad thing. But if you apologize, they don't accept the apology. They just kind of, it's kind of like what Jack Posobic, when he was on the, he talked about the struggle sessions that they have in communist countries. Like they just want to crush you. And so they want you to confess, but then they don't forgive you. Like you confess as an example to everyone else, or you better shut up. And then they send you to the gulag.

Yeah, or meet you with baseball battles. Yeah, or something like that. And so I talk about that in the book, how. all that's really going on is that they pretend to have some standard of justice or equality, but there is none because the devil does not have a standard of justice or quality. He doesn't believe in those things, but he pretends to believe in those things so that he can crush you on the way to crushing you. They talk about that. And it has to do with what I call the spirit behind cancel culture.

And I talk about Martin Niemuller. Some people know that if you read my Bonhofer book or you probably know about it, without having read my Bonhofer book, but I talk about Martin Niemuller a lot in this book and a lot of Bonhofer in the book. And Martin Niemöller is someone who, in the beginning of what was going on in Germany, he was vaguely pro-Hitler. He was basically saying, listen, Hitler's not as bad as we think. People around him are more radical, but we can work with him. I've met with him. Martin Niemler was a very distinguished patriot. He was awarded the Iron Cross for his service in World War I for Germany. And so he thought, you know, Hitler ultimately he can be reasoned with. And then, of course,

he realized, whoops, I was wrong. And by the time he realized he was wrong, it was too late. And so I write about that in the book. But so I write about the spirit behind cancel culture. And in chapter seven, which is called Further Thoughts on Cancel Culture, I quote Martin Nemeller's poem that he wrote after the war. And some of you know it. First, they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. And that's part of what happens with cancel cultures.

They pick people off to try to make an example of you but they never stop. So if you don't stand for that person who's being canceled like our friend might be. Lindell or me or anybody, then they just, they pick these people off, and then they go to the next one, the next one, the next one, and the next one. And I use the example of our friend Kirk Cameron, who's been on the program. I actually write about him in this book, that he said, like, I don't know, was it 2012? It was like a million years ago. He goes on like Pierce Morgan and says, in the kindest, most gracious way imaginable that he believes in the biblical idea of marriage between a man and a woman. And for this, he is village. He is village.

people freak out like he's some fire-breathing hate monger. And I thought, how many pastors, I'm not going to mention names, but how many pastors, prominent Christian pastors, did not defend him? They said, you know what, I don't want any trouble. Let the wolves have him, and we'll just keep going. Well, that's the way it works. So they come after one. You don't speak up, and then they come after the next one. and you don't speak up and think my next one. And then eventually they're going to come for you. That's just the way it is. It's kind of like in the book of Esther,

which I've been talking about lately. Esther's like, well, you know, I'm the queen. And so I don't want any trouble with the king. And Mordecai says, hey, Esther, you're a Jew. Do you think that when this edict is to kill all the Jews, you're going to escape? They're going to get you eventually. You better speak up now.

That's what we need to do. So when they cancel somebody, I don't care if you agree with that. that person, you should not, you know, jump on that bandwagon of attacking or of being silent. And so actually, I'm really radical about this. When they go after Alec Baldwin, I disagree with him on like almost everything. But when they were like, oh, he's a murderer, he, but, but, but I'm like, you know what? No, I don't think he's a murderer.

I think let's be fair. Let's be scrupulously fair. Because when you play that game, it'll eventually bite you. And I think, I mean, that's not a great example. Kirk Cameron is the great example that how many pastors said, we're not going to speak up for Kirk Cameron, let them cancel him. And we're just going to get to keep preaching the gospel, the dead pseudo-gospel from our dead megachurch.

We're just going to keep playing church because we don't want, we don't want to fight for what is right and good and true. We're just going to ignore it. That is the spirit of cancel culture, and it's sick. And anyway, I write about it in the book because we need to understand how it works and we need to stand up for people. I don't care who they go after. You don't have to agree with that person or anything,

but whenever the mob comes after somebody, you need to understand the spirit behind that mob. It doesn't believe in truth. It just believes in winning. And so that's part of what I write about here. And we've experienced cancel culture on this program. I mentioned Mike Lindell. By the way, I say support anybody who's being canceled.

Go to my store.com. You can buy my books there. Use the code Eric. of MyPillow.com, use the code Eric. Anybody, if they're coming after them, that's an indication to me. I need to stand up for them. We'll be right back. Hey there, folks.

I'm talking about my new book. I'm excited. I got a copy of the mail yesterday. Religionless Christianity, God's answer to evil. And I want to say this. There's a number of things I write about in here that are, I have to say, I think that's going to surprise some people. And one of the things I write about is the Tower of Babel or the Tower of Babel. And I talk about how all religion, in the negative sense, is a satanic project to supplant God, right?

So we know that Jesus actually came to end religion. Religion is the effort to, if I do this and this and this and this, somehow I can, you know, solve the problem of evil. And Jesus came to say, you can never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever solve the problem of evil. Only I, God, can solve the problem of evil. And then by faith in me and by faith in what I have done to solve the problem of evil, then you can participate in standing against evil. But if you try to do it on your own...

What about, you know, we all have the power within, man. Yeah, man. We're all gods, man. So that, okay, so... We have the divine inside of us all, man. Yeah, man. So that's the point. So that was kind of babble, right?

Satan in the garden says to Adam and Eve, like, yeah, listen, I got an idea. And it's always the devil's idea. By the way, it's kind of like listening to the white witch and Narnia. She's going to say, hey, I'm going to make you my, you know, Prince Consort or whatever it is. Like, nah, not going to happen. That's what the devil is saying to Adam and Eve. Like, you know, just do, you know, if you do this and, you know, it'll be good for us. So the devil is always trying to supplant God.

And the Tower of Babel is an example of religion in the sense that all of humanity unites to create this tower to reach into the heavens. And there's more to it. But it's this concept of we can breach the distance between us. and heaven on our own. And what Satan wants to do, of course, and the scriptures talk about this, and I quote it in the book, but he wants to go into heaven and murder God and take God's place. And so dead religion, the effort to kind of join Satan in this and somehow deal with evil, it's this utopian scheme that you see in all these communist revolutions. It's anti-God, basically. And so that's really what dead religion is.

It's this way of somehow, it's kind of like saying I want to get to, you know, Easter Sunday, but not through the cross. And so that's ultimately what dead religion ends up being. I mean, there's a lot more to it. You can have to read the book. But it is, it's interesting because even Christians through history and now are tempted toward these false solutions, which I would say is dead religion. Either you give your heart utterly to Jesus and say, I am dead to self and alive in you and lead me and guide me in being part of the solution that you want to bring, or I'm trying to do it on my own. And that's what utopianist secular schemes are. So when you're talking about the new world order, you're talking about the globalist ideas of what we can do, all these things are at war with God, but often not openly.

What about eating kale, man? Yeah, eating kale. Well, it's interesting. That's kind of funny because there's a lot of good things you can do as long as you don't make an idol of it. And actually in the book, I'll just close here because we're out of time. But I was going to say I mentioned a lot of religious idols, things that Christians do that are in fact,

you're worshiping religious idols without knowing it. And I try to make clear in the book because Bonhofer did this. He made it clear that these are religious idols. We need religion-less Christianity. We need real Christianity, and Christians are tempted along the lines of dead religion, and we need to be aware of what that is. And so in the book, I mentioned a number of idols. In another segment, maybe with Albin, I'll go through what the religious idols are. In the meantime, please pre-order religionless Christianity God's Answer to Evil by Eric Metaxus.

Thank you.