The Eric Metaxas Show - Jack Wurfl (Encore Continued)

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Holocaust Survivor Jack Wurfl continues his incredible story from the book, My Two Lives

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Folks, welcome back. I have the privilege of continuing my conversation with Jack Worfel. The book is My Two Lives about his experience as a boy growing up as a Jew during the Holocaust in Germany. Jack, you just shared with us something so difficult, so painful, hearing of the of the death of your mother who was at Auschwitz. And this would have been Christmas, 1944. You said it was Christmas Day that you heard this terrible news. Yeah, I'm not sure if it was 44.

It may have been 43. Yeah. That we heard about my mother. Yeah. It's just extraordinary young boys hearing of the death of their mother in Auschwitz. Your father, when did he, was he killed? He was not killed. He was transferred shortly before the end of the war to another concentration camp called

Mudhausen, which was right down at the Austrian border, near Lens. And he was freed by the American Army. But at that point, he had lost so much weight, and he was so sick, both of his lungs. were gone. So he lived about another two months at the most. It was

by a family who they assigned my father to be very careful to feed him. Not to feed him too much. You have to be very careful when you haven't eaten for a long time. And

try to bring him back. back after the war, I went back there and I met those people and I also met the two doctors who treated him. I tried to find his grave, but I couldn't find his grave. I went to all the cemeteries in the area, but they had all these mass graves in those days because of the people who were found dead in the concentration camps and died shortly. thereafter. So I never found his grave. So you were 13 when the war ended. Your brother was 14 or 15. What did you do at that point? At that point, we still lived in Germany, of course, and we tried very hard to leave Germany and had come to the United States preferably. I had some uncles who lived in Quito, Ecuador.

They tried to get us to come. And we did make an application, and we did finally get our papers. In the ship, we were supposed to sail on. Then they had a change of government in Kiko, and everything was null and void. So we couldn't go there. So we were still hoping to come to the United States. And sure enough, one day we got a call from... the American Army in southern Germany, and they said we are now fully aware of what happened to your

dad and what he did before the war and during the war. And we also know that your mother died in Auschwitz. And if your boys would like to come to the United States, we'll be happy to bring, to take you there. I was then 17 years old and we truly came to the United States and that's where my second life begins. So I want to talk to you about the second life because it's just such an extraordinary thing to have lived through this as a child

and then suddenly at 17 to be able to come to the United States your brother came with you. Yes. I, my parents are immigrants, my mother from Germany and my father from Greece to the United States. So here you come to this nation. What did you do when you came here?

You said you were 17. Well, there is an organization called the United States Committee for Care of European Children, financed by half Jewish and half Catholic money. And they're the ones under their auspices we came to New York. And we lived in New York for six months because we had no papers. They brought us over so quickly. And the Army said, don't worry. Just go on the airplane, fly to the United States, and we'll get your papers eventually.

And they did after six months. So you were stuck in New York, and it's 1949? I arrived in New York, yeah, in 1950. January, January 50. January 50, you came here, so you were stuck in miserable New York like me for six months. And where did you go from New York? Where did you go from there? Well, once we got our papers, we were free to go somewhere.

So in the meantime, during those six months, I went to the New York public free. library almost constantly to learn about the United States and to try to learn a little bit of the language. And I picked San Francisco as the place I wanted to go. So when I had my papers, they gave me a little money. And I went to the Greyhound bus station and asked him for a ticket to San Francisco. And the lady counted the money. And she said, young man, you don't have enough money here.

I said, well, how much money do I have? How far can I go? And they said, no further than Baltimore. Baltimore? You only had enough money to Baltimore. That's not that close to San Francisco. That's what I said. I said, how close is it to San Francisco?

I really didn't know. And she said, well, it's a little ways to go. I said, is it in the right direction? Yes, it is. More or less. That's barely, barely. Barely. My gosh. I mean, anybody knows Baltimore. It's about maybe five hours by bus from New York City. San Francisco would be something like 45 hours. I mean, it's amazing. So did you settle in Baltimore? Was your brother with you at this point? Yes. My brother was with me. Yes, we settled in Baltimore. My brother, in the meantime, had met someone he really liked the girl. So he wanted to go back to to New York, but I decided that I wanted to stay in Baltimore and see what life was going to be

all about there. Because when I arrived, I had absolutely no money to speak of. I had no place to live, no place to work. But as I got off, the Gary on Bus Station, right across the street, we noticed something about work. It was a state of Maryland unemployment agency. So I walked in there and I found a gentleman who spoke a little German, and I told him what my story was.

And he went through his cottage. And he finally said after an hour, I think I have a job for you, but you have to start tomorrow morning. It's a necktie factory. A necktie factory. I didn't know they made them in factories. Yeah, they made them in factories. So I took that job.

Now, I still needed a place to sleep. So I went back to the Catholic Church that I saw from the bus as we were coming in and wanked the doorbell there in a building right next to it. And a very nice gentleman came out by the name of Libertini. And Mr. Libertini heard my story, and he said, yes, I can't find a place for you to sleep because we have a cemetery close by. A seminary. A seminary, yes. And the kids, the boys are all on vacation right now.

It was June. It was summertime. and he called the nuns there who took care of the building. There were five nuns there. And they said, said the boy, it's over. I'll be happy to, we'll be happy to hear. This is unbelievable. There's more to the story.

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And Jack, let me ask you, since I haven't asked before, did you say my two lives because the first life was in Germany during the Holocaust and the second life is in America, which you're describing now? Exactly. And you can't live any worse life than you can at that time in Germany during that time. It was terrible. It was visible. Obviously.

Well, so you described coming to America. Go ahead. Sorry. Well, I was going to say especially because we had to live a life that we didn't believe in. We knew the truth. We knew all the time what was going on. I would sing a song about the terrible Jews and kill the Jews every day and all of those sorts. We knew exactly who we were. We knew what was going on, my brother and I, you know. So those were very difficult times. Yeah. I mean, to think that there are Palestinian children singing those songs today in 2024, these evil songs about how terrible the Jews are and how we must kill them,

this is happening today. And it's one of the reasons I'm so privileged to have you on this program, because we need to get the word out that evil exists, that hatred of the Jews has existed for a long time. There is evil in the world, and we must speak about it and understand. understand it. And Jack, you come to America and you say that you settle in Baltimore, but you also decided to serve the United States in the Korean War, which was happening just as you arrived. Yeah. Well, it wasn't my decision exactly, but I was here for three years going to school.

And by then I was working in a little insurance company. I had learned enough English. So at that time, you know, things were so good. When I landed in New York, when I was in New York, I was the happiest man in the world. Finally, I was in a place. I was in a country. There was freedom there, democracy, all of the things that we dreamt about. They were all right there for us. And I enjoyed every minute, and I loved every minute, living in the United States,

greatest country in the world as far as I was concerned. Well, it's not just as far as you're concerned. It's an objective fact. But you did serve in the Korean War. Yeah. I was drafted by the United States to serve in the service. and I was assigned to 101st Airborne Division and I took my basic training there

and while I was taking my training someone came to me and they said we just looked at your Form 20 which is your personnel on your personal things are in the Form 20 as to who you are and what you've learned and so on and they said you speak German

and we would like to send you to Germany as an interpreter because we need interpreters in Germany. And at that time, in Germany, they were training, as Americans and the British and the French, we were training the German army. They called the police force. What they called the police force, we were training a regular army. So I spent most of my time there with the German and the American generals translating for them

as they were going on maneuvers and trading each other and so on. In Germany. In Germany. How amazing. I know it's all in the book. So after this, you decide to start your own business and you started what ended up being a very successful insurance business. Was that also in Baltimore? Yes, that was also in Baltimore.

And so it seems to me like you spend many business. What's that? I was going to say it is still in Baltimore and it's now run by my daughter and her husband, Tom. And this is the diversified insurance industries. How many decades did you work there? Since 1950. I mean, since 1969. That's when I started the company.

You started the company. And I know that you were married and that your wife passed. the way just a few years ago. How did you meet your wife, Jack? Well, I had a friend who I had gone to school with to learn English, and he was from El Salvador. And he worked for the consulate in Baltimore, in the El Salvadorian consulate. And he, when I came back from the Army, he was telling me about this great party that golden half at New Year's Eve, and would I be interested to come to their party? It's mostly Latino people from the various embassies in Washington.

And I said, yeah, I'd love to come. And I did. And I met my wife. I met Sonia, who previously had been Miss El Salvador. And, yeah, we got along great, even though she spoke very little English, and she only spoke Spanish and I spoke very little English and I spoke German, but somehow we got along and we fell in love and eventually got married and we had three children, three girls. We had Odette and Dana and Lisa and they're still doing very well today and I still see him very much,

especially Dana, who works with me in my company, and she's actually running it. I left the business to her and her husband. I love the fact your story is very similar to my parents' story because my father came from Greece, my mother came from Germany. They met in an English class in New York City, learning the English language. The Greek met the German.

The German met the Greek. And, of course, we spoke English at home, which is why my German and Greek is. not so good because we spoke sorry, we spoke English at home, of course. So you describe yourself as having,

you had an extraordinary business life. I know that you met a number of celebrities. Hedy Lamar, one of the most beautiful, brilliant women who ever lived, is the actress, Hetty Lamar. People know her as the famous actress, but also she was a brilliant

inventor, one of the most strange, amazing stories. How did you meet Hedy Lamar? Well, I went through my parents. My father knew her in Austria where she started. She's Austrian, you know. And she just changed her name

eventually. She got married in Austria to probably the richest man there. He had a huge factory and somehow became friendly with Hitler or Hitler maybe insisted.

that he built tanks and airplanes for Germany. And Haiti Lamar was married to him. Haiti was also Jewish. And having dinners with Mussolini and with Adolf Hitler, she wasn't too happy about it, what happened to the Jews. So she escaped and went to England and then from England eventually to the United States where she became very famous.

But she was a fairly famous actress already in Austria. And she was a friend of my parents, and she used to come. As a matter of fact, I have a film that she and her company took of my brother and myself and my parents and we were playing and having a picnic and all of that. And I still have that. From when you were children. So, my goodness. We were children.

I didn't realize that. Yeah, we were children. Well, I'm sorry. And you met many people over the years. You said that you played golf with Alan Shepard, who was the first American astronaut. How did that come about? Yeah, he was the only astronaut

who ever hit a golf ball in the movie. You know something I forgot about that? Alan Shepard was an astronaut before the moon landings, but he was chosen to go to the moon and that he is the one. I remember it because I was a kid who hit a golf ball on the moon, and I think it went about two miles because there is literally no atmosphere. So that's called cheating. But Alan Shepard hit a golf ball on the moon.

fairly far, yeah. And I want to ask you, the most important thing I really want to ask you when we come back from the break is how you made sense of all of this as the years passed. So folks, I'm talking to the author of My Two Lives, Jack Vorfel, we'll be right back. I want to remind you, if you're listening, folks, please go to letter to the American church.com. A lot of what we're discussing is, or I should say, my book is relevant to this. discussion about what we do when evil rises around us. Letter to the American Church.com. The documentary is out. Letter to the Americanchurch.com. Please check it out. Please sign up there. We'll be right back.

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15% off. Welcome back. I'm talking to the author of My Two Lives, Jack Vorfel. So Jack, you've given us this extraordinary story of living through the Holocaust in Germany as a Jew, coming to America, experiencing the privilege of living in a free country with tremendous opportunities, making the most of those opportunities. But of course, the question that most people would have is, what were you thinking during those years? Did you want to just put the past behind you initially, or was it something that was always on your mind? Because obviously you didn't write this book until very recently.

So what was your relationship with your past as you're living in America and having a wonderful life and raising three girls? Yeah, I pretty much tried to not to think too much of my first life in those days while I was living here and working, getting married, having children. I had so many other things on my mind that I purposely tried to not think of my first life because that was a very, very sad life, of course, you know, in a very traumatic life.

But once I was in this country, I was able to do that, And especially when I was in the U.S. Army, that made me very proud to be in the U.S. Army. And I can tell you a little story. When I was 12 years old, living in Germany with my brother, we listened to the BBC many times at night to find out what was really going on. And we found out one day, oh, my God, they call it D-Day. The Allies landed in Normandy. Now, I was 12 years old at that time, and we were so happy about that. You were 12 years old in 1944.

You're in the north part of Germany listening to the BBC. I know that my grandfather listened to the BBC with his ear pressed against the radio speaker because it was not allowed to listen to the BBC. Bonhofer's family, whom I mentioned, listened to the BBC. So you and your brother heard that Eisenhower and the Allied forces landed on Normandy in 1944. And what happened in your mind at that time? Well, we were happy because we finally thought the Allies are in Europe, and we felt the whole world was against Hitler at this point.

except the Far East, except maybe, you know, the Japanese and so on. So I'd like to go back at this point to my time when I was in the U.S. Army. When I was in the U.S. Army stationed in the first infantry division in Germany as an interpreter. One day my company, Comendor said, he said, Jack, I watched you walk up. around here. You have very good posture. You are very straight. You walk very straight. I have an offer to make to you. I would like for you

to be in the first division of color guard. There are 20,000 men and I want you to be in the color guard and help carry the American flag whenever necessary. Well,

I thought I thought it was tremendous. I was very complimented and I told my company commend the yes, certainly I will do it. So this is now in the 1950s you're talking about? Well, this was in the 1940s. This was just before the late 40s, you know?

Okay, so you, yeah, go ahead, sorry. So one day they came to me and they said, this is now a 10-year anniversary of D-Day. This is when I was in the American Army, stationed in Germany, the 10-university of D-Day. So, 1954, obviously. Go ahead. Exactly. And I want you to go with the Caligard to Normandy in honor all the people, all of our soldiers, all of our Americans and others who died trying to fight Hitler. So I was delighted.

So the color guard myself, we went to Normandy and we marched on Omaha Beach and Utah Beach, all these famous beaches. And it was just unbelievable that I, who listened to this, I remember when I was 12 years old, and I heard that D-Day happened, that. here 10 years later, I was there and I was carrying the American flag. And one morning we had a special one of the Roosevelt generals was killed during Omaha Beach or Utah Beach. I don't remember which one. and they asked the color god to be at the British Channel right there on the beach and and dipped the flags and we had a bugler with us who played the bugle and the sun was rising and we were standing there with the flags just just the four of us the bugle and the four of us and the color guard and the sun came up and we were standing there honoring General Roosevelt who was killed there.

This was one of the most emotional moments I ever had in my life. It's certainly... It's extraordinary to hear you tell it. I know you tell it in the book. We have a final segment coming up. The book is My Two Lives. You might have heard Mike Lindell and My Pillo no longer have the support of their box stores or shopping channels the way they used to.

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800-9783057.3057 promo code Eric. Or go to MyPillow.com and use promo code Eric. Welcome back. I'm talking to Jack Worfel, the author of My Two Lives. Jack, thanks for writing this book. I'm glad your daughter pushed you to write it because it is an amazing story. It's unquestionably an amazing story, and we're just covering the highlights right now. But how did you make sense of this?

In other words, you are, you know, like my parents, coming from war-torn Europe, recognizing the greatness of America, the greatness of freedom, that patriots died for freedom, that patriots gave their lives, as you were just mentioning, to fight against Hitler and the Nazis. And we think if it weren't for American patriots doing that, where might we be today? It's an extraordinary thing. You got to experience that in Normandy 10 years after the Normandy invasion of the Allied forces. It's a beautiful thing. But right now, we see the rise of anti-Semitism, the rise of anti-Americanism,

within America itself and an ignorance of the evil of many of these regimes. So it seems to me that this is the perfect time for your book to come out, if I may say so. Yeah, it's just a coincidence. I wrote the book just really for my family. It wasn't to be sold or publicized or whatever. I wrote it for my family because Dana, my daughter and her husband, they said, you know, we need to, you had such an interesting life. And our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren and so on and so.

They ought to know about this. So we want you to write this book for the family. And that's what I did. And then all of a sudden, through the people who print the book or something, it got out, and now it's very popular. And I just hope that my book, will be read by a lot of people, and especially young people, that they learn a little bit about anti-Semitism,

and learn about what's happening right now so that they can compare the Nazi time, even though there was six or seven million Jews killed during that time. But this business here with Israel, Israel and Hamas, it's a terrible thing, a terrible thing. You know, Hamas killing children in front of their parents and parents killing in front of children. I just don't understand how human being can do these kind of things. Well, it's called evil. It's called evil. And the Nazis understood, made their peace with evil and were the handmaidens of evil in Europe. But evil doesn't go away, is why we have to be vigilant and we have to remind ourselves over and over again of the truth.

And again, to have so many years pass between what happened in Germany and now, I don't know if I mentioned it to you off the air, but I've written a book called Letter to the American Church, where I am specifically trying to wake up the churches in America, that there is evil rising among us today, and we have an obligation to stand against it, just as the German Christians had an obligation to stand against Hitler, and very few did. I want to send you a copy of my book on Dietrich Bonhofer because you should know his story.

It's an extraordinary story. There will be a film coming out in November. But you see the same thing repeated over and over in history, and that's why, to me, it's just extremely valuable to hear your story. And I'm just grateful not just for you writing the book, but that you're willing. willing to come on this program and to talk about it, because people need to know that this happened to you. This is not some story.

This actually happened to you, and you remember the details, which is amazing. Yeah, and I just hope that people will read my book, which was not the original intention, and hopefully learn something from it and begin to understand anti-Semitism. What the hell is anti-Semitism? I never did find out. What is wrong with the Jews? I think the Jews are very normal, very nice people. I haven't ever seen the Jews start a war.

I think they're very, very, very interested in having their children always well-educated and get into good professions. And as a whole, they have been quite successful. So I think any country that has Jews within that country, I think that country benefits for it, because these are decent people. These are very, very good people. I know that from our own family, and I know it from other families, you know. Well, you're looking for a natural answer to this question, and there's no natural answer.

There's a supernatural answer. The Jews are the people of God, chosen by God. We wouldn't have the Bible without the Jews, and it is a hatred of God. Evil is a hatred of God himself and of whatever God loves, a hatred of what God loves. And so the Nazis hated the Jews because God loved the Jews. Hamas hates the Jews because God loves the Jews. Haman in the Old Testament in the book of Esther, all through history we see a hatred of Jews. Why?

It's a hatred of God. And it is irrational and it is evil. And we have to understand that we're dealing with something called evil. makes no human sense, no rational sense, but it's a supernatural evil. And that's what we're facing. And that's why it really does make no sense. The cruelty that we saw with Hamas on October 7th, there's no human explanation for it. It is absolutely evil. And God is the only answer to evil. I talk about these things wherever I go, and that's why it's such a joy for me to have you on the program and to hear your story and your experience. I assume we can get this book anywhere,

My Two Lives, if people can only spell Vorful, W-U-R-F-L, W-U-R-F-L, W-U-R. You get it everywhere, but you get it to Amazon. Yes, pretty much everywhere. We will put this on video, people who sign up to my newsletter, Eric Mataxis.com. Folks, go to Erictax.com. We'll send you my newsletter with the video of this conversation. I just think it's a very important conversation generally, but specifically right now. So Jack Worfell, it's been my honor to talk to you. Congratulations on your book, My Two Lives. Thank you so much. Eric, it's my honor to be, to have been with you at your program.

God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Jack. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. I want to highlight some of our friends on the program.

Do we still have friends on the program? I thought they broke up. We've got a lot of friends. And I want to highlight some websites because I just, I always want to provide a resource to people. Because people always say, where can I go? Where can I look? That's part of what we try to do on this show is to steer people in the right direction.

For example, everywhere I go, I meet homeschoolers. They are the most mature, socially mature, educated, bright young people that I ever meet. And so everywhere I go, I get the opportunity. I say it, you should homeschool your kids. Get them out of these satanic Marxist indoctrination camps that we call the public education system. get them either in quality Christ-centered K-12 education or in homeschooling. People say, how do I do that? Well, I'm here to tell you the folks at the Herzog Foundation are here to help you.

There's no catch. The folks at the Herzog Foundation are good people. We know them. And they exist to help people do quality, Christ-centered K-12 education. They have a ton of resources as somebody who homeschools our kids, and by me, I mean my wife. No, I do a little bit. But, yeah, we're always looking for great places to kind of augment and sort of pump up our curriculum at home. So this is a really great place.

Well, I'm just telling you, folks, this is important. It's important. And people need to do it. And they say, but I don't know how. And go to Herzog Foundation.com. Please look them up. They're just delightful and they're there to help. Also want to mention our friends at Americans for Prosperity Foundation.

They have taken hundreds of concerned citizens to the border, to see the border for themselves. Imagine something Kamala Harris has never, ever done, visited the stinking border. Yeah. I believe she's been through the Taco Bell Drive through several times. That's a run. They used to say run to the border.

You know what? I take it back. I take it back. Yeah. She's been through the top. Taco Bell Drive Thru. But other than that, she's ever been to the border. The Americans for Prosperity Foundation has taken hundreds of concerned citizens, all of whom are more qualified to be vice president than Kamala Harris. They've taken them into the border and they have turned

them as a result of this into informed activists. That's what we need in America is for us not just to be citizens, but to be informed activist citizens who care about freedom, who care about the things that matter to preserving our freedoms, like, oh, yeah, having a border. So Americans for Prosperity, you know, help us understand what we need to have a border. For example, more border agents, more walls. Remember walls? Remember Trump talking about the wall? More technology? That's what makes Americans for prosperity unique. They do the tough work of organizing and mobilizing everyday Americans. Yeah. Having a border is pretty important. It's sort of like, wearing a belt.

If you don't have a call on, things can be ugly pretty quickly, you know. Call me crazy, but a border is important. So you can learn more

at secure border, secure america.com. That's secure border, secure America.com. Before we go, I want to remind people, please visit Socrates in the city on YouTube

or visit Socrates in the city. You can go to Socrates and city. Dot com. Tons of resources to feed your mind at Socrates in the city. Amazing conversations. Socrates in the city.

Please check it out, share it on social media. Just tremendous conversations. And then before we go, a letter to the American church, that website, letter to the American church, is loaded with all kinds of stuff. If your church hasn't done a screening, you can sign up. You can get the study guide. You can get the book. It's being part of a movement to save this country, folks.

I think you know if you're listening to this program, we got to get busy. please visit letter to the Americanchurch.com. You can watch the film there, actually. Letter to the Americanchurch.com. And if you want to buy any of my books, go to ericmetaxis.com. Ericmetaxis.com. Sign up for the newsletter. Just lots of great resources.

God bless you. God bless America.